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Peonies growing experiment conclusion. AND, what's the price? And, a huge channel milestone!!
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2022
- Most of the plants we grow and sell here are $7 a plant... we keep is simple. One price for pretty much everything we grow. But these peonies are different! They are a premium plant. I tried growing them two different ways: in pots and in the ground. Always trying to figure out what works best. So, the experiment has concluded and the results of the experiment are in! And, we settled on a price for the peonies. And, we reached a great milestone for the channel.
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I appreciate that you talk to us in ways that really takes some of the anxiety out of starting a nursery. You are a great communicator and I enjoy watching your videos!
Thanks for those kind words!!
Very very nice to see your result, I live in Sweden for six months and the UK for 6 and as you will see on a world map Sweden it is pretty far north, so is UK but it has the full benefit of the warmth of the Gulf stream musch more so than Sweden especially me being on the east cost. Peonies do much much better int the freezing cold of Sweden they need it to set buds and be healthy they will survive and bloom even if you forget to plant them with soil perfectly it is not the cold it is the disturbance they do not like. IN the UK the garden country of the world they only really do ok in the mountains of Scotland were sufficient cold under freezing Celsius sets in for an extended time during winter the time of the freeze they need must be in a straight succession of days ( not one day minus then one day plus) they hate that as is the main problem for 85 & of the UK and Ireland they get sick, do not bloom and starts to diminish every year. This is true for the herbaceous peony while ITOH-hybrids and tree/bush peonies perform nicely in both countries. I hope this little bit of experience and info might be helpful for some, oh almost forgot plants-men has begun to use 3 species (herbaceous) not used in the history of peonies before from Ilands of the Mediterranean sea, they are much more heat tolerant to create hybrids for the Southern part of Europe, but it is a slow progress even more so now when ITOH-hybrids start getting a more of a fordable prize on the market.
Sorry guys/girls for my rambling and my written abuse of the English language thus far.
Love your programs and your advise SDF, Best Wishes to all gardeners friends of the world. Signing off, biologist and landscape engineer from the land of Santa. Cheers everyone Adam.
Santa lives in Canada, by the way. He even has an address and answers letters by mail during the holiday season ;)
Anybody else notice that now they're already at 11k subscribers??? Love it! Also, love the peonies!
Can't believe it 😮
As someone who has grown peonies, planting them in the spring and then selling a full season /12 months is best. They don't generally bud up well when their roots are disturbed. If you can get them tricked into thinking it is the second season (2 springs) you get many more blooms. I think 19$ is a very fair price and they should sell quickly. Advertise them for Mother's day 🙂
Good stuff... thank you!!
Appreciate your input..😊
I've grown peonies plant from literally 2 sticks lol for the better of 15 yrs and never one bloom 😢 I've tried plant it deep plant it less tried bigger pot please help..it gets great leaf and bush but no flowers
Where I'm at now gets probably 6 to 7 hours of sun.
Mrs hopeful here really truly would love to see blooms
First if I want to change pots what time of year and I believe it's a tree type by the shape and leaves 😊 how deep or not lol do I plant eyes below or above soil ...the reason I don't want to let it go it's from a friend that passed away
If you planted them too deep, that maybe why… have you tried slow released fertilizer?
Congrats on the 10K subs and congrats with the Peonies! They look great and the $19 price point is an outstanding deal. Enjoy watching your videos...
Thanks so much!
Our local garden center is getting 40 bucks each. I love peonies, just can’t afford them
You are teaching us so much each video. We appreciate you.
Thanks! We’re having fun with it
Congrats on 10k! Your content is presented in a manner that everyone can follow and is very helpful. Here’s to another 10k! Eric
Much appreciated!
I checked our local nursery here. The doubles are selling for $40. The Itohs are $75. I took a photo of each to show my daughter the price because I gave her 3 mature peony clumps for her yard. Congrats on a top-notch channel that so many folks are all enjoying!
Yes!! Peonies are super expensive. I don't even know where you can buy them here. Thanks for your kind words.
I love these plants & have wondered about growing Peonies in pots, so thanks for this. I have several which were planted by the previous owners. They need to be divided, & they're too shaded there, though they still bloom. I also have a Tree Peony next to them, which would look great on my patio where I could see it. Now maybe I'll keep them all in pots.
I've read that once established, they don't like to be moved. I'd also read that they get set back when moved & might not bloom for 3 years after relocating, so I hesitated. After dormancy, in August is the ideal time to transplant them, but I don't know if I should fertilize them then, as they're dormant then, so Think I will just plant them in a fairly nutritious soil, mixed with some compost & aged manure.
One reason some peonies fail to grow is due to how the roots were planted. They must be planted horizontally, not vertically, & they don't like to be buried in soil. They can be seen growing on the surface, with about 2/3 of the root into the soil.
It's because your quality people!
Kind words, sir. Thank you
I bought a Pink Double Dandy Two Gallon Peony yesterday, at nursery in Lexington, KY, paid $40 dollars, and planted far away from my house foundation because peony draws ants (they exude a substance that ants find delicious), so if your peony is half that size, the 20.00 sounds right.
Congrats on the 10,000 subscribers! That’s a great milestone! I’m knocking on 2000 myself lol. Thanks for the video uploads, looking forward to seeing what other plants you guys have.
I really like the tip on timing of wholesale purchase and when they should be ready for retail. As a nursery start up my biggest challenge is timing of everything but that will come in...time haha. Thank You
Yes! You learn, but most importantly, just get started
That’s a very fair price. In your “about” section you should put where you’re located and your growing zone
Good tip. I will do that!
The Peonies look awesome! Thanks for sharing this great experiment with us! You continue to inspire me to pot up more plants.
Thanks so much! I really enjoy watching your videos as well. You've got a great family!
Love the information you put out! I really like the idea of selling plants but don't want to be tied to a retail location. Thanks for showing what is possible on a small scale.
Not being tied to a retail location - that's the beauty of it!
I love my peonies I have 9 . I loved your video and I think you could go up a little on your price . I started mine from roots and yours are already a plant so they are worth more .
Craig and Casey, I'm delighted for you that your YT channel is growing. You guys totally crushed the 10K mark and have over 11.5K subscribers and counting! I bet you'll sell out of those beautiful peony plants in no time. Let us know how your plant sale goes. ~Margie
Thanks so much!! First plant sale is the next video.
@@savvydirtfarmer I'm looking forward to watching it!
ohio here and I've had a peony in a stainless steel container since 2014. I really need to tend to it this year by putting more potting media in it as there is hardly any in it any more but it blooms nicely every year. smells weird but it's beautiful
Congratulations!!! Just love you guys and how simple you keep everything. I can't wait to be able to get out in the garden.
You can do it!
I loved watching this series! Thanks for recording this journey! I’m growing peonies for the first time this season! :)
Glad to hear it can be grown in pots, easier for me to plant. I’m excited to do it already. Thank you for the tips!
Welcome!
very nice-thankyou very much
This is good news! This is my first time growing peonies and I put them all in pots.
Nice!
I always get ideas from you. I am going to pot some peonies and give them away to family and friends. Regarding the price, i think is very reasonable given the fact that the cheapest peonie, that size, i saw in nurseries, was $35.
My experience... it takes 3 years to get a strong plant. When dug up and moved it sets them back.
Love that song, It is well with my soul. You'll sell lots of those. Keep us updated on sales. Congrats on so many following ! God job....
Thank you! Will do!
You guys are fun and informative! Congrats on 10k followers!
Thanks so much!
Thanks. Overwintering them is not an issue. VERY hardy. Summer heat is the killer
How many subscribers?! Great content got you there.
Peonies are so beautiful. Twenty dollars is more than thought you’d sell them for, but it certainly isn’t high. If you don’t sell them before they bloom, when they are blooming, they should fly out the door.
Hope so! thank you
These are worth almost double than $19, anything less he’d be giving these away. Very fair price.
Congrats on the 10K!!!!! And you inspired me to take the leap. My first order from a wholesale nursery should come next week! yay!
Best wishes on your new venture! I'm on the same path - keep us updated on your adventures! 🙏
Great! You've been around a while, Anita
Thanks for sharing the results of your experiment.
Your videos are packed with useful information, and your presentation style is excellent and always on point. I've watched a couple dozen of them now, and I realized I don't know your name. Consider introducing yourself in future videos!
Craig. Thanks for watching! I'm glad it's helpful.
Congratulations on your channels. That’s a great price for those beautiful plants.
Thank you so much!
Yes sir, thank you for the follow up. Many blessings your ways brotha. Cheers 🌱
Much appreciated
I love love love ALL your videos! Keep em coming! Learn something every time I watch 🙂
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the information. I have three and wanted to plant in a pot and was not sure if it would grow the same. Well now I know!!!
Best of luck!
It's really fun to watch your videos!
Thanks!
Please include your Zone in the description box so we know what 'overwinter' means for your plants. Zone 5 means snow on them and overcast days lasting 41 days at a stretch, with winds that take chill factors down to -10F. Good info but we can extrapolate better if all your videos state zone.
This is my first year for peonies (2023) and boy they weren't cheap! roughly $10 per 5-eye root for Asian tree style peonies. They were selected herbaceous and tree styles and two hybrids. I also experimented, starting Late February when snow was in patches and potting in an undrained dome lid black plastic box. Potting soil was mulch and sand with some compost/top soil added, with wood mulch sprinkled on top. I planted them extremely shallow, just under the surface since they already had 3/4 to 1 inch buds when they arrived in the mail. The plantings were very close - not the 12-16 inches recommended because what I wanted was root development first year more than flowers, altho flowers would be a bonus. The tubers were arranged tightly in the box like Tetra blocks, lightly covered with dirt with tubers still barely visible, then making up the darkness in wood mulch instead of dirt to avoid collar damp. I left them outside down to 19F with the dome cover on (since the buds were still under airy wood mulch) and if sunny, I popped the lid off so they wouldn't bake in there, or sit in total darkness 24/7. When buds broke mulch layer, I left the black dome off, used a BQ skewer punched to the bottom and 'stirred' to make 1/2 inch air channels to the bottom (since soil should have 30% oxygen access to complete the nitrogen cycle), and watered lightly with coffee pot water and dregs in the morning, or left under light snow to melt during the day. The result was soil always damp but never soggy or even 'moist' since lack of drain holes means higher risk of root rot if excess water can't evaporate. Winter watering is spare anyway because the plant isn't in a stage to deal with robust water uptake. The mulch kept the damp inside, absorbed the solar heat and seemed to keep them warm enough under the dome at night without freezing, yet cold enough for chill hours. When tubers broke mulch, I switched out the black dome for an overturned clear plastic container lid to act as a greenhouse for temps at night ~31F-43F April zone 5 northern mitt Michigan.
What I found - it still being April 2023 and the tubers planted just this previous February - that they seemed to like the closeness to each other, perhaps sharing nutrients and microorganism between themselves as some tuber plants do. They are now about 6 to 8 inches tall, healthy stalks. It won't be long before they're too tall for the clear plastic dome but it won't matter now that May is on the way and night temps are hovering more in the 40s than 30F. At some point, I may have to separate them into individual pots or in groups of three in 20 inch pots to flourish, but right now they're happy together just the way they are. What makes this spacing helpful is developing roots in such close proximity means garden space is reserved for something else until they get their 'legs'. Because hair roots that do the actual work of feeding a plant are mostly microscopic (and somewhat larger) and symbiotic with microorgs of the soil, moving them around, or stripping their ambient soil doesn't seem like a good idea to me, so I'll shovel and lift whole tubers with their soil blocks to their new location, perhaps with their neighbor along for the ride. What we do know is a mature lone tuber peony seems to be happiest when its canes are all bunched together, so closeness doesn't seem to be a problem for this flower anyway. Every once in awhile, I use the BQ skewer to twirl a few more air channels to the bottom so the soil remains soft and crumbly (and damp) when time comes to move them or separate them from their companions.
Right now, I want to see how long they thrive crowded since nobody seems to have a complaint at 8 inch growth, early Spring. But, like yourself, I'm just experimenting optimal conditions. I'll know more when they put out leaves if they're competing, and struggling. If so, they'll be soil amended and then later, moved to a forever home with its full root ball.
In another video on roots, best season for deciduous or die back perennial plant root development is FALL. All summer long, plants are collecting nutrients from photosynthesis from leaves and puts it in sap for transfer to roots. Fall is the time the ground is warmest (after all that summer sun), has an insulating blanket of fallen leaves to hold the heat and moisture down, and once leaves drop, plants are sending their sap to roots for dormancy. To accommodate summer sap, the roots develop underground to meet the demand for storage. So not much going on above ground, but roots stay busy during dormancy which is useful to know for growing tubers or bulbs of any kind. www. youtube. com/watch?v=OBlYpnvZK8g
In another article (I apologize for no source) experiments show tho underground, light is still a function of root development. Plants still like to see a ray or two even through snow. Total blackness - used in bareroot nurseries - contribute to complete dormancy for long term storage without any root development.
I'm in zone 7, NW Alabama. It's in the "about" section of my channel. thanks
I want four peonies at that price point, thats crazy good
I’ve had two peonies in nursery pots for the past two years and they overwinter just fine .
weeks ago i could’ve just told you my experience but what fun would that be for you haha I think we should all experiment not just go off of a book or what we see in a video
Btw I believe im a colder zone im in between 6/7 or SE Pennsylvania to be exact
Mine have been on the east side of my house (part shade) with protection from basically all four sides
The first year they didn’t do much probably because I wasn’t watering in the summer but this year they look great we got a lot of snow/rain do they look nice n lush
Good luck with the sale
Appreciate you sharing your journey and your experiences
Thanks for sharing . yes, the fun is in the experimenting
Love the channel, my friends! You are a great inspiration!
thank yoU!
Awesome, thank you for sharing! 🎉
You bet!
Thanks for sharing.
Good price, in the big box stores, the tubers are the size of half your little finger, daylight robbery
Did you provide the source of those peony roots? Those roots were huge and beautiful! I would love to buy some and pot them up. Where did you overwinter them? Also, I have read and found it to be acceptable or correct to say peony either way. Both camps think they are right. 😂I enjoy your content. Congrats to you and your family for your success.
Devroomen nursery. They overwinter in pots, like everything else we grow.
Love your channel
Hi from Queensland Australia
I have now watched all your videos. Like we do with our plants I now have to have patience and wait for your videos to be released. Keep up the great work. Thanks Ash
Thanks so much for watching! I hope to visit Australia some day. New video goes live tomorrow at 3pm, central standard time.
Very helpful man thanks 👍👍👍
Thanks for the great information! I just subscribed to the channel after binging content for the past couple days. I'm looking forward to using your information to start my nursing next year, now that I finally have a yard to do so.
Did you ever make a video talking about how these plants sold?
Yes, I mentioned it somewhere… they did very well; don’t remember exact numbers, but a few died and a few were just too ugly to sell. Probably sold 60 of the original 75, at $19 each.
I enjoy your videos, your great 👍
I appreciate that!
Very well done. Love your channel!
Thank you very much!
Thanks!
Much appreciated.
❤very informative video
Just a tip. You're virtually giving them away for $19. They look stunning plants and in flower could sell for at least $30. Buyers like to see what they are getting (in the flower). Sell them then and you'll be surprised.
I'm not surprised by the views. You seem a down to earth couple who people can relate to.
Thanks! No doubt the price is sweet for the buyer, but I had 60+ of them I needed to sell at a small plant sale in my driveway. So I needed them to move. Still have plenty left, but we did pretty well with them. They'll be nice for a few weeks yet and I suspect we'll sell more.
Thanks a lot
Most welcome
Love your channel
Very intresting
$19 is cheap home Depot sell it for $45
Just found your channel. Congrats on your milestone! How do you sell your plants? Have you changed methods from when you first started to now? Thanks
We sell everything via Facebook advertising, and sell them in the driveway, yard sale style.
Did all 60 sell, and what was your ROI? What price did you pay per tuber wholesale? --Kurt
What was your ph. and fertilizer routine?
Good price savvy uk £20
Very informative video! Wondering about your growing zone...curious what type of winters the peonies would have had to get through in pots. Thanks!
We get near zero here most winters, definitely below 10 degrees. If a plant is hardy in your zone overwintering is more about moisture than temperature. My potted plants freeze solid ever year.
congrats on 10k - would you be putting majority of rooted cuttings (hydrangea, spirea, weigela, ninebark) etc into beds or straight into pots? big fan of the channel.
I usually put mine into a small pot (3.5 inch) first... depends on the size of the plant. But you can go straight into larger pots. It's all about saving space for me.
@@savvydirtfarmer thanks man, yeh - small square pots are great space savers. Take care
I have a had a peony in a very large 10+ gallon pot for 4-5 years It does okay, but I think it would do better in the ground. Prices for plants this year are very high, so I think your price is reasonable. I am struggling just to find the couple hostas at a decent price. Nurseries want $10 for basically a just potted liner here.
WOW! Where are you located?
Bentonville, Arkansas.
And if they are grown a year on, then they're $15 and bigger than that they're like $35. Crazy
Kate--I don't know if you live near a Meijer's but I make the rounds and last week found several hosta varieties for $4.99 each. I live in Indiana, so there's sales tax. I bought one called Queen Josephine (since that's my name) and gave it to some friends who love to garden. The pots at Meijer's are about 3.5 inches square. The plants were a decent size, the leaves about 8 inches long! Happy gardening!
Hey. I’m glad the peonies did so well. But to be fair, your experience/advice is very specific to your region. I would seriously hesitate to keep them in pots in my 6b Ohio zone. Any colder than that, there’s a good chance they could die if not planted in the ground. My mother failed for years with them in pots in zone 8 TX. It’s just too hot and they shriveled away in pots. And the exact variety should dictate sales. If you have any rarer varieties, you should charge more, while more common varieties aren’t worth $20 IMO. And PLEASE, keep some in your own garden for a year or two. You’ll be cutting your own roots and doubling your income!
Thanks! Of course, any garden advice, etc is region specific. NOTHING is exactly the same everywhere.
Yeah anything in pots needs to be watered frequently especially if they’re not planted in large enough pots. That TX sun was probably brutal. Some people have their pots on a drip system.
Great information. I am so glad I found your channel. I just got my nursery license so let the learning begin. Where are you located?
West TN. Zone 7.
@@savvydirtfarmer Thank you. That helps
I for sure thought the price was going to be $30. Wow, that is a bargain!!
I have 60 of them... need to make sure they MOVE.
My fam is from the Fayette area. I’m in WNC Would love to come shop - where is your nursery?
Florence, AL
Hello, could you please recommend some books for very begginers to read ?How to start plant from seeds, propagation, taking care, and all about it.. thank you
Don't have any recommendations... I really don't know.
Do you cut them back when they show blooms for extra blooms?
Do you have any wholesalers to recommend we buy out bulk peonies from? Any help is appreciated.
Sorry, I don't share that info here anymore for a number of reasons. thanks
Love your channel. Trying to learn as much as I can. I live in Lexington Tn. And was wondering where you go and get your wholesale plants and pots in West Tn.
Most of my plants are either ordered (shipped) or I propagate them. Pots? I drive 2 hours once a year and buy them from an Amish place in KY (no internet presence).
Which county, town, in KY, do you drive to, please? I live in Lex, KY, and I’d like a bargain on pots too.
How long can you leave the plant in their pot? The pot grown one.
Maybe one year before it starts getting root bound
DYING DYING DYING to know -- did you sell all of your peonies??? I love peonies. I think $19 is a more-than-fair price.
All but a few that just didn't look nice. Of the original 75 I bought, I killed 12, I think, and I have about 10 left that are thin looking.
@@savvydirtfarmer They will likely bounce back next season.
I planted some peony tubers a couple of weeks ago in pots. They are growing well. I am guessing they will be about 15 to 20 inches tall by the end of August or September. Should I cut them back in October or November?
You can cut them back late summer or early fall. The tops are going to die come winter anyway.
I have a Peony that was in a flower bed when I bought my house and land. How do they get the tubers? Do you just dig down and cut a piece of the “root” or tuber or rizome (sp?)? 🤔
The tuber is the root. Just dig it up and divide it. I wouldn't advise doing that when it's really hot.
@@savvydirtfarmer I thought so because I have done that with other plants with that type of root. And I have tried to relocate one plant species but it keeps coming up if I don’t get all of the root. I don’t know the name for sure. I call it a Yucca but I might be wrong. It has sharp leaves shaped like a dagger that all come from a central point and a needle-like tip and it gets a tall flower several feet tall with a cluster of bell shaped flowers that dangle on top. If you can imagine what I am talking about!?! 😂
But I appreciate you answering and I watched several of your videos and I am going to watch many more. I am planning to give it a try starting with a small scale nursery and see how it goes. I have a limited water supply though and I already have a considerable vegetable garden so I have to address it first. 👍
I am in zone 8 (Fort Mill SC) and just received my bulbs from Brecks. I would like to plant in pots now. Is it a good idea? Could you please help me pick a pot size and type of soil and fertilizer? Thank you so much!
Sorry... I just don't know anything about bulbs. I've never done anything with them at all.
Hi, would you mind sharing the name of company that you purchased your bareroot peony tubers from?
There are a variety of reasons why I don't usually share my wholesale sources. Wish I had a better answer. Sorry.
You probably shocked the ones you dug up from the ground and that’s why they aren’t as full as they could of been
Probably correct. That was part of digging them before dormant, so they could root into their new pots and hopefully settle in well before winter. I think that did work, but they still couldn't completely overcome being transplanted.
Great job. Do you know the variety and color. Of your peonies?
These were Carl Rosenfeld, a common red variety
I live in zone 8, can I plant some roots now in a pot? And then how much watering and should I keep inside or outside the house?
Yes. Water enough to keep moist, but not muddy. Outside all the way. Some shade is helpful since it's gotten hot.
Can you tell me what company you bought the bare root peonies from please? I thought you had mentioned it in one of your peony videos but am not finding it now. Would love to do this. Thank you!
Devroomen Nursery
HOW many did you sell? All, I bet!!!
Sold all the nice ones. Maybe 10 left that are kinda leggy and ugly... they'll be beautiful next year.
💖🌸💖
I CANNOT find a wholesaler. Would anyone be willing to share their supplier?
Wow $19 is really cheap!!!
Cheap, and still 6-7x what I bought them for.
PEONY - Pee O Nee (pee oh nee) 3 syllables
I paid between$19y tho$29
Just emphasize to your customers that these plants can live 40 yrs or more
YES!! thank you
Adleman Peonies has some videos on how to plant peonies. They sell from their acreage. Carol Adleman (maybe it's Adelman) is a mature lady with decades of experience. She says some peonies are 90-100 years old. I bought a couple of Hawaiian Corals from her 3 years ago. Very healthy bare roots with several eyes came from Oregon to Indiana in beautiful condition.
how can I buy 10 peonies from you pleaseeeee?
Where do you purchase your bareroot plants from?
The peonies came from Devroomen
THAT's because peonies DO NOT like to be moved!
I wish I could buy some for$20
Maybe mine are too cheap?
@@savvydirtfarmer look @ Lowes prices
$100 before they bloom
In the UK a peony plant less than half the size just putting up a few leaves sells for around £9 for more common types and then often £12 for more unusual types.
I love peonies... $19 is fine with me
Sold some for $19 today!!