Mackie Master Fader 5 Aux fed Subwoofers
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- This video demonstrates how to use subwoofers from an aux output.
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0:00 Intro
1:31 setting up the Aux output
2:21 choosing channels that go to subs
3:53 setting the main speakers low end cutoff frequency
5:36 sound going into the subs
6:51 high pass and low pass filters
7:40 what the sub should sound like
8:55 mains and subs masters in tandem with a VCA
10:02 assign main and sub aux to a VCA
12:09 assign all the monitor masters to a VCA - Навчання та стиль
Love your videos on the Masterfader Dan!
I'm glad they are some help :)
Fully agree with this. Thanks you.
Thank you...This helped me greatly! I still get a little bleed through of the mains into the subs and probably visa versa but that might be the case without an actual crossover
if you have things set up properly, you should be able to plug headphones into the headphone jack and solo the aux output that you are using for the subs. Understand that without proper processing for the subs (low pass filter) to cut all the highs off, you will still hear full range sound when soling the "sub" aux however, you will at least know exactly what sounds are going to the subs. Are you using powered subs? Also, your statement about bleed through the mains was a little confusing... contact me through my website if you like so I can help you further if need. www.kurysound.com
Thank you for this video. It really helps…
Love the videos!!!
thanks Jared, I'm glad :)
This us really helpful. Thank you
fantastic, so happy for you!!!
More video for mackie 5.2 thanks
I no longer use or own any Mackie gear
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Thankyou for this video - really helping. I have a question, though it may just show my lack of understanding on setting up PA's..: If I was to get the chance to ring out a room that I am setting up, would I remove the cutoff filters prior to ringing out? At first I thought yes, but then I thought that doing that might make me attenuate frequencies that will then lose their "oomph" once the filters re-applied? (maybe this question is just applicable to the frequencies around the crossover point).
Hi Andrew, what cutoff frequencies are you talking about? If you are talking about the high pass filter (low cut) that you have on your main speakers, then that frequency should (ideally) match the crossover frequency that the subs take over. I have been doing this for over 50 years and I never "ring out" a room, I set up my system and only if I am having issues do I fix them. If you want to ring out the room, meaning to squeeze out every decibel of sound that you can get, then it is obvious that the fidelity is not important, only maximum volume. The next time you do a job with your system, I highly suggest allowing the main speakers to sound like they can. "Almost" everybody in the world slaps EQ and compression on everything before they even hear if the sound needs it or can "benefit" from it...., but that is the last thing you should do if you have a nice system and nice mics. (not 58's)
@@dankurydotcom I appreciate your taking the time to reply - thankyou. I had a 3 day sound gig with about 30 acts to set up. I did ring out the room during setup, and I had no feedback issues, and the sound was very high fidelity. I prefer to do it this way, as to my understanding we ring out the room to actally flatten the response of the room - thus enabling true fidelity. A room being an acoustic "shape" that will resonate naturally with certain frequencies. meaning that if those frequencies are generated within the space, along with other frequencies, then the resonant frequencies are going to reinforce themselves and dominate the soundscape? So ringing out the room allows you to compensate for this unequal resonance and enable all frequencies in be present in the levels desired by the musicians / instruments?
@@AndrewDInSydney Hi Andrew, I know all about ringing out a room, unfortunately there is no piece of audio gear invented or plugins or anything that can address or "fix" the frequency problems you are referring to. Lowering a frequency band and setting it's bandwidth on the offending frequency/s does not fix the problem. It masks it to some ears. The problem with the frequencies that you are cutting is only changing the volume of those frequencies relative to other frequencies that are not causing fidelity issues. The problem is the room's reverberation time. It would be nice if we could lower the reverb time of those offending frequencies, but using an EQ to address this is not a fix. It is a bandaid. My recommendation was to essentially leave the EQ on the main system as close to untouched as possible, realizing that yes, certainly sometimes a tweak of EQ on the mains is definitely necessary and makes the system sound nicer. Ringing out monitors is a completely different story as you already know, but squeezing out every decibel of gain you can achieve before feedback in the mains in my opinion is not a good thing to do. Altering too many bands of EQ will make a false sounding system. Good discussion though. :)
Please how do I get the low pass filter on the eq. On my Mackie dl32r, I see only the high pass filter.
At seven minutes in the video it is clear to see that the LPF is on the far right side of the EQ, all you have to do is touch it and drag. Thank you for watching and subscribing if you did :-)
Hi Dan: I use 4 (single 18”) powered subwoofer. Would you daisychain all 4 subs from aux 6 or use aux 5 for 2 subs and aux 6 for the other 2. Thanks
Hi, if all the subs are the same brand and model I highly suggest using just one Aux send for all of them. They can be daisy chained (XLR out of each one into the next one). Also,.... every time you set them up, try your best to put them all together, side by side in the center of the stage (not on the stage) instead of two on each side. Doing this will radically improve the balance of the subs so that everyone in the room gets good even bass response instead of just the people in the center of the room. When you have subs on each side of the stage, that arrangement will cause what we call a "power alley", This is where the subs on both sides produce nice bass in the center of the room (dance floor), BUT........ if the listener moves closer to one side or the other, the bass response will deteriorate to the point of being really wimpy. This is because the amount of time it takes for the bass from the subs (over there) causes what is called a phase cancellation because of the time difference. Sometimes we don't have a choice, and we can only put subs on each side,... when that's the case, we just live with it. Dave Rat from Rat sound has some really good videos on youtube about this very thing. I hope that helps :) Always trust your ears.
@@dankurydotcom So its better just to stack subs dead center?
@@tommysmoothsiconolfi9401 Hi Tommy, I hope your day is going great! my short answer is ... yes. Here is a really good video explaining phase cancellation. ua-cam.com/video/VwLH7zP6Lwo/v-deo.html
@@dankurydotcom Thanks Buddy same to you. Thanks for the help
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I assign both to vca1 and also assign to sub 1 ist wht im doing right kindly help dear sir how to do it in proper way I make sub 1 aub1 frm drum as in using e drum and sub 2 for just bass guitar
sorry, your post is very confusing, I really do not understand what you are asking.
how did you get parametric EQ on AUX ? All AUX's and MAIN faders only have Graphic EQ on my DL 32s and fader 5
Hi Robert, you can swipe up or down to access either parametric or graphic EQ. You need to know about where the "swipe" areas are in order to accomplish this, it is all in the manual in numerous sections. Search the manual for PEQ, or GEQ, or swipe. When you are viewing the graphic EQ (GEQ) the swipe are is the blank area at the top between the two tabs, RTA and 2X. Also, in the settings you can set the "Default Output EQ View" This way, when you open the EQ on an output, it will take you to your preferred EQ.
It is correct thank you for the information. Great video.
Hi Dan how do I get the Aux6 for the Subs to work, I tried the method that you explained in your video Part 5 (Aux fed Subwoofers) it does not seem to work, please help me in detail as to how it should be connected. Thank you Leylan.
Hi Leylan, happy to help, but you have not given me any details about what mixer you are using and what subwoofers. ??? Have you verified that the mix output for your subs that you want to use is actually producing audio?
@@dankurydotcom thank you for your reply. The mixer I’m using is a Mackie Dl1608 with JBL PRX518subs & PRX15 columns for the tops
Sorry I do not know what you mean about verified that the mixer output for subs that you use is producing audio? I use the JBL's for my FOH for my band.
@@leylanlamb4590
here is the wiring for your set up in order to use a separate aux for subs...
The PRX15S top cabinets do not connect to the PRX18S subs at all.
DL1608 Main output L connects to your left PRX15S.
DL1608 Main output R connects to your right PRX15S.
DL1608 Aux 6 output connects to your closest sub.... assuming you have one sub on each side.
"Daisy-chain" the two subs with an XLR cable between them.... in other words... go "out" of the first sub, and "into" the input of the other sub.
Follow the information in the video and your Aux 6 will give audio to the subs.
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Thank you very much for the info Dan. The PRX18s 2 subs are connected from the Right output of the DL1608 via Daisy Chain and the PRX15s from the Left output on the DL1608 the same way you connect the subs. Is that correct? If I can impose on you can you please send me a diagram. Thank you Leylan.
What is best setting reverb for vocal ?
I am on dl32r
Logan Lo, I apologize for not answering your question sooner... since vocals are used with many different types of songs, it is always best for you to understand the settings of the various reverbs. Experiment with the reverb settings and choose what sounds good to you. Here is a video that I made that specifically addresses reverb and other effects and might help you to understand more about the various settings and what they do. ua-cam.com/video/yUbrl9Q0tTg/v-deo.html
How would you setup a side fill speakers?
use one of the aux outputs
I’m not seeing a LPF. Is it a version of Master Fader 5?
You probably do not see the LPF because you are looking at the graphic equalizer. It is only in the parametric equalizer.
Consigo ligar a saida L para os PA e a saida R para o sub? como se fosse ligar um PA mono...
sim, mas você precisará usar o controle deslizante de panorâmica de cada entrada para escolher quais canais vão para os subs. Se o pan estiver reto, esse canal de entrada irá para a rede principal e os subs, mas se o pan estiver configurado apenas para a esquerda, ele não irá para os subs. Por outro lado, se o pan estiver ajustado apenas para a direita, o canal irá para os subs, mas não para a rede elétrica.
Na UI24 consigo colocar um filtro no canal LR dizendo que apartir de certa frequência quero que saia nos falantes de cima e abaixo dessa frequência nos subs… na mackie não consigo fazer esse mesmo processo?
@@Correasgabriel no
How to get the Lowpassfilter . I can only see HPF on my EQ
inputs channels do not have an LPF, only the outputs do.
@@dankurydotcom Tq for the reply. YES , it is on my aux 5 and 6 where the subs woofers spreakers.
The current EQ is the parametric not like what i see in ur video the modern version. Do we download it somewhere? ..
@@sleazefunk I'm not sure what you mean. There are two different equalizers available on the outputs. A Parametric which is where you will find the Low Pass and High Pass filters. There is also a graphic EQ that I believe is 31 bands, it does not have the low and high pass filters. The only thing to download is the specific version of Master Fader that you prefer to use. Are you using Master Fader 4 or 5?
@@dankurydotcom on 7.10 min of your video.. i can see modern eq with the LPF option.. mine also on aux 6, its the 31 band old school instead
@@sleazefunk the manual explains all of the swiping and how you can navigate to different screens. First, there are grey blank areas in many of the screens, some are small and some large, and they're made to swipe left and right while others are made to swipe up and down. Some of these areas are very large,,, you need to learn these "swipe" areas and where they are. These areas are places that you can use your finger to swipe up or down in order to get to different features/screens.
For instance, in the "Graphic EQ" (GEQ) this grey "swipe" area is between the white (RTA) button, and the white (2X) button. Put you finger on that small grey area and swipe down, .... you will then be taken to the "Parametric EQ" (PEQ), if you swipe up from that same area, you will be taken to the compressor. You need to learn about Mackie's swiping features if you are going to be using this app. Another feature which I am guessing you probably don't know about is in settings. Settings can be viewed by hitting the "gear" icon at the top. This is where you can set various things to act based on your preferences. The very first feature is "Default Output EQ View". This is set to GEQ by default, but you can change it to PEQ, then whenever you click on the EQ tab, you will immediately be taken to the PEQ instead of the graphic.
People never read the entire manual and they will never understand all the nice features that are right there at your fingertips. You will be missing out on a ton of ways to do things and ways to do things FASTER!
What is the title of music?
I do not know the song title, this was a live recording of a concert quite a few years ago. Sorry I don't know. :)
What is the title of the song.?
Hi, it was not really a song, it was a groove that the guys put together to bring on the singer/artist.
This software need sorting out u leting the side down
“u leting the side down”…. Makes no sense. I do not work for Mackie so your comments need to go to them. I just make videos to help people and for the joy of helping others.
So, the SubWoofers doesn’t necessarily have to be plugged in to a AUX output on the mixer right? Like the connection is done by the 2 main outs to the subs, then highs are connected from each subs?
NO..... The left and right main speakers are connected to the Main Left/right outputs. The sub is connected to one Aux output that feeds both subs
@@dankurydotcom Thank You So much 😊
@@DjazzStyle glad to help, try it :)
Was not meant for you but Mckie the software is not good at all fails in may ways and unstable in pro leavel
Hi Leslie, if Master Fader 5 is failing you and crashing, then you are doing something wrong. It is unbelievably reliable, what problems do you have with it?