Honestly if i where during that time i would think of the gods and their believers a bit LESS in value since they can't handle the truth of Hippasus's work. Ironically that would make me have the same impiety i guess.
_"I'm sure that I will always be_ _A lonely number like root three_ _The three is all that's good and right,_ _Why must my three keep out of sight_ _Beneath the vicious square root sign,_ _I wish instead I were a nine-_ _For nine could thwart this evil trick,_ _with just some quick arithmetic_ _I know I'll never see the sun, as 1.7321_ _Such is my reality, a sad irrationality_ _When hark! What is this I see,_ _Another square root of a three_ _As quietly co-waltzing by,_ _Together now we multiply_ _To form a number we prefer,_ _Rejoicing as an integer_ _We break free from our mortal bonds_ _With the wave of magic wands_ _Our square root signs become unglued_ _Your love for me has been renewed"_ -Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay (2008)
@@theobserver314 2/(cubicroot(4))=cubicroot(2) 2/(4throot(8))=4throot(2)... I can go on but, it be pain to type so here is formula for equivalent irrational numbers of nthroots. Base/(nthroot(Base^(n-1)))= nthroot(base)
+Wizard Johnson I don't think that was the reference or joke there. The original commenter spelled the last name wrong deliberately to show the irrational... I don't even know why I'm explaining this
Let √4=p/q(here,p and q don't have common factor) q√4=p 4(q^2)=p^2 So,as q^2 times 4 is p^2 we can say that p=4a 4(q^2)=(4a)^2 4(q^2)=16a^2 q^2=4a^s Does, this means√4 is irrational number
@Agrim Verma Assume √4 = p/q where p and q are coprime and are both integers q√4 = p 4q² = p² Already we can find two coprime integers, with q = 1 and p = 2 (or any pair where p =2q for that matter), to prove it so we can conclude that √4 can be written as 2/1 as those numbers satisfy our modified equation and so confirm the original assumption. Another variable wouldn't be needed to solve the equation like you had, but one was used in the video to illustrate that p was even rather than specifically a multiple of the radicand. This same reasoning can't work with √2 because no coprime integers can satisfy 2q² = p², and the same method can be applied to √n by finding (or proving that there aren't) any coprime integers to satisfy nq² = p².
@@iceenderman-fm4kb what you have done wrong is: 4(q^2)=p^2 means (p) is even but what you have done is assuming that p=4a since (a) is an integer 4a CANNOT be equal to 2 which means that you eliminated the only possible answer (2) what you must do instead is: let p=2a(a is an integer) then 4(q^2)=(2a)^2 => 4(q^2)=4(a^2) => q^2=a^2 => q=a => √4=p/q=2a/a=2 notice that you can't prove that q is odd or even since it's equal to an integer (a) which can be either even or odd and it turns out that it's odd(1)
@@iceenderman-fm4kb Absolutely not! The implication from Step 3 to Step 4 is incorrect. 4(q^2)=p^2 does not imply p=4a. Consider values p = 6 and q = 3. Then q^2 = 9 and 4(q^2) = 36 = p^2. But p is 6, which is not divisible by 4. Notice how q itself became a factor of p which already contradicts the initial assumption. In general if the square of a number is divisible by 4 then that does not necessarily imply that the number is also a multiple of 4. Any number that is congruent to 2 or 0 mod 4 will become congruent to 0 mod 4. What you've proved is not that √4 is irrational. Interestingly, the contradiction you've arrived at proves that the first assumption is false. That is p and q must have common factors specifically in this case that either p | q or q | p. which can then be reduced to the trivial form where the denominator is 1, at which point you're just saying n = n/1.
Something he most likely read on Wikipedia. You don't need to worry about it, I doubt he could explain it to you. (If the guy actually knows it, I don't mean to offend him, I was just making a joke because he rattled off a list of semi-related math terms that all happen to be linked together in Wikipedia. I wouldn't have known about many of those concepts without Wikipedia, so I am not trying to sound better.) An octonion (he spelled it incorrectly) is an extension of complex numbers into an 8 dimensional number line, like how real numbers are on one number line, and complex numbers have two number lines, octonions have 8 that represent them. They have lots of special properties that make them interesting to mathematicians, and split octonions are similar to octonions in that they are 8 dimensional, but they are made by different rules, to put it simply. Like how complex numbers have a + bi, where i is the square root of 1, split octonions have 8 parts to them. I don't really know that much about them or why these particular definitions are useful, but there is a basic rundown. There is a method of construction that allows for the generation of lots of arbitrary algebras, but this particular one must have some special properties.
+GoldenKingStudio Yes, you're partially right. I did spell octonion wrong, and I wouldn't have been able to explain them. But I didn't get those concepts from Wikipedia - I got them from an awesome UA-camr that combines drawing and math named Vihart, in a video explaining why 0.9(repeating) is equal to 1.
“The gods did not appreciate being contradicted” They’re just like parents and r/dankmemes members: They destroy whoever disagrees with them, even when losing an argument
I am a tutor and was teaching number systems to my students. They couldn't understand much and then TED made this Video(so GLAD) and i showed this video to them and believe me, they understood everything :) Thanks TED for making our life easier :)
It's an interesting paradox: the length of the hypotenuse is always a set, specific length, and the diameter and circumference of a circle are too; yet irrational numbers are not in any real way a specific length.
2 points response to Making sense of irrational numbers-Ganesh Pai The things I learned from this video is the history of irrational numbers and better ways to solve irrational numbers. the message the narrator was trying to send out was decimals and ratios are only ways to express numbers. What I was thinking about while watching this video are ways to solve irrational numbers and how I can understand it. I likes that at the very beginning she mentioned the philosopher Hippasus and his discovery towards mathematics.
Wow, really so beautifully, clearly put and explained in such simplistic way. My teachers used to tell me that I should always "remember" that sqrt(2) is irrational and cannot be shown in a rational way. But after watching the proof, now everything started to make sense. I wonder if every problem has a solution, then why can't this irrational numbers have solutions too? Also there may be other numbers in the infinite set that are in a similar condition to sqrt(2) that cannot be proven.
Let √4=p/q(here,p and q don't have common factor) q√4=p 4(q^2)=p^2 So,as q^2 times 4 is p^2 we can say that p=4a 4(q^2)=(4a)^2 4(q^2)=16a^2 q^2=4a^s Does, this means√4 is irrational number because here , 2q=p And q=2a And this means both p and q are even and have as common factor which cannot be true since contradicts the fact that p and q cannot have a common factor
This made so much more sense than when I was in high school. I wish my teacher had explained concepts like this much more clearly instead of saying "Because they are not rational"; probably would have gotten a better grade... Thanks Ted!
Quite nicely presented and relevant. As an educator, I still find that irrational numbers make people . . . nervous! However, from my reading, no one apparently knows precisely which irrational number Hippasus either proved was irrational, or revealed was irrational (if someone else proved it). Root 2, of course, is a very likely candidate, since it is present in a simple unit square. For this reason, I commonly call Root 2 "the Monster in the Unit Square (with comical yet serious intent). I agree! We should appreciate the adventure of irrational numbers rather than excessively fearing them! Mathematics is a great adventure indeed! Have a great day!
Even more interesting is that it is impossible to plot the number pi on the real number line with only using ruler and compass. Same goes for the number e. These are called transcendental numbers however the proof is rather complicated.
It's not hard to prove pi is transcendental after you prove e is (which is quite hard). It is known that a transcendental number raised to an algebraic power other than 0 will produce a transcendental number. We know that e ^ (i * pi) = -1, and we know e is transcendental and -1 is algebraic. So, that means i * pi must not be algebraic. Since i is algebraic, pi must be transcendental.
@Alex Chuoy That is incorrect. the cube root of 2 is not transcendental but cannot be constructed using compass and straight-edge either. All transcendental numbers cannot be constructed but that does not mean that all numbers that cannot be constructed are transcendental.
Let √4=p/q(here,p and q don't have common factor) q√4=p 4(q^2)=p^2 So,as q^2 times 4 is p^2 we can say that p=4a 4(q^2)=(4a)^2 4(q^2)=16a^2 q^2=4a^s Does, this means√4 is irrational number because here , 2q=p And q=2a And this means both p and q are even and have as common factor which cannot be true since contradicts the fact that p and q cannot have a common factor
irrational number like square root 2 is fine. but the real problem is Transcendental number. it is NOT a root of a non-zero polynomial equation with rational coefficients. We can't use a nice simple formula to express it. Except using a symbol like pi or e, not really much we can do... Yet they are so useful and powerful!
3:43 That's a square root spiral right? I had an art integration activity in maths for that. It's seriously amazing how numbers can be connected to concepts like art, music, cosmology etc. I wonder if we will ever find a way to define irrational numbers? There IS a lot of freedom in maths after all.
I wish school taught us math this way, it's so much more fun to learn this way, and now i actually want to learn about square roots and irrational numbers.
PT Yamin A sub-set of mathematics like trigonometry or algebra. Discrete math is where the proofs come from for our mathematical equations. In math, we need to prove everything that we do. Through methods like induction proofs, we can do this. For example, you can prove that the square root of two is irrational like in the video. If you want to be a Computer Science major in college or maybe a Math major, this class will probably be required.
@QuantumRat2005 Legends say they already have a time machine. And I believe these legends because they come from extinct cultures all around the world, with millenials old stones spelling the name "Nabila" in English
It’s insane how smart one would have to be so long ago to figure this out. Creating/discovering math is one of the most fascinating things mankind is capable of.
I was in a group of 3 more friends and we called ourselves "3 guys and the square root of negative 2" (me being referred to as the square root of negative 2) and we all just loved this name, It was awesome.
I know that even *π* can be *expressed* as a *ratio of irrationals just like Phi.* I can *visualise* this in my mind and I always got that the result to be *a sum of very complex numbers.* The only *problem* is that I am in *10th grade* so my *knowledge* is very *limited* but still I have a *theory* that *states* :- _Every number which can be geometrically constructed can be written in the forms of numbers either rational or irrational_ _Just like Phi (1/2 + √5/2) and the diagonal of a square as √2_
3:42 When all of those triangles are drawn showing all the roots of integers, it kind of reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember what... is that from some other important math concept or am I just crazy?
Armando Machado I know each hypotenuse is the square root of a whole number and the outside edges are all 1, but I don't see where the fibonacci numbers come into play. What am I missing here?
Just like to point out that as beautiful as this proof is, this isn't a proof that the ancient Greeks would have known, as they didn't have algebra. Nor did they in fact use numbers like we think of today, rather they thought in terms of a given unit length, and numbers were simply the possible lengths of line segments (for example, 2 is exactly twice the length of the unit length)
to me math is complicated and hard and i cant do it. but i find it really *extremly* interesting is so interesting how everything relates to...EVERYTHING!
This video is much more interesting and attractive than mathematic classes i've got in korea. I wanna show it to my friends who is unfamiliar with mathematics.
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I know what you did......but there is one mistake.... You may have came across a result where you got 4q^2=p^2, from here you may have deduced that p must have 4 as its factor. But this law only applies to prime numbers. If p^2 has x as factor then p also has x as factor ONLY IF x is a prime number (try it out yourself)
There is a possibly incorrect statement made in this video. If P^2 = even, this doesn’t necessarily mean P is even. For example P^2=2, 2 is even, then P=SQRT(2) which is not even. The same case for Q^2 being even doesn’t mean Q is even. However, with both P^2 and Q^2 being even you can factor a two of num and dem and they cancel which satisfies the proof by contraction. Excellent video and please correct me if I’m wrong.
blabbityblah You can't divide by 0. Because if you could then let's assume it gives us a value like 3/0=a ok, then lets say 4/0=b so we move zero to the other side of each equation and we get that 4=0xb and 3=0xa we know that 0x(any number)=0 so 4=0 and 3=0 both don't make sense and also it implies that 4=3. All of this is nonsense, don't try to divide by 0 unless you are dealing with limits, that's completely another story.
JoSe74248 However, there is a number that you can safely divide by 0: 0. If you divide 0/0, your ecuation becomes 0x=0, and any number can fill this requirement.
2 points response to Making Sense Of Irrational Numbers-Ganesh Phi What I took from this video is about ratios and irrational numbers and how they differ. The narrators message from this video is that decimals and ratios are the only ways to express numbers . I was thinking about how to solve irrational numbers. I liked the beginning when the narrator mentions The philosopher Hippsaus and his discovery towards mathematics:
oh my goodness i just realized that "rational" means it can be expressed in ratios. I thought mathematicians just didn't think the numbers made sense.
😭😂
Same
Took me a while to make this connection too
Peter Griffin moment
WTF! Same
Hippasus' colleagues punished him for discovering irrational numbers? Wow, that's truly irrational!
Honestly if i where during that time i would think of the gods and their believers a bit LESS in value since they can't handle the truth of Hippasus's work. Ironically that would make me have the same impiety i guess.
Peek comedy
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SUS HIPPO
No, he deserves it!!!
_"I'm sure that I will always be_
_A lonely number like root three_
_The three is all that's good and right,_
_Why must my three keep out of sight_
_Beneath the vicious square root sign,_
_I wish instead I were a nine-_
_For nine could thwart this evil trick,_
_with just some quick arithmetic_
_I know I'll never see the sun, as 1.7321_
_Such is my reality, a sad irrationality_
_When hark! What is this I see,_
_Another square root of a three_
_As quietly co-waltzing by,_
_Together now we multiply_
_To form a number we prefer,_
_Rejoicing as an integer_
_We break free from our mortal bonds_
_With the wave of magic wands_
_Our square root signs become unglued_
_Your love for me has been renewed"_
-Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay (2008)
best part of that movie :D
Sorry to disappoint you but square root of 3 isn't lonely at all , infact there are infinitely many numbers as close to it as you want 😊
(clapping )
David S. Cats eyes nebula.. nice
whoa
This should've been titled "Rationalizing Irrational Numbers".
lol
Omg what a missed opportunity
2/sqrt(2)=sqrt(2)
@@trevorallen3212 0_o
@@theobserver314 2/(cubicroot(4))=cubicroot(2)
2/(4throot(8))=4throot(2)...
I can go on but, it be pain to type so here is formula for equivalent irrational numbers of nthroots.
Base/(nthroot(Base^(n-1)))=
nthroot(base)
Great explanation.
I have a degree in applied mathematics and have never heard this pontificated so well.
Thank you.
@@harshitabhagat8467 ig cbse has it in 9th also
@@tarunkumarcs2374 ICSE in 7th grade.. I was like wait I've proved that!!!
> "Are you the square root of 2?"
> "Because I feel irrational around you."
How to flirt. :D
Meow
+Cat Are you hungry?
+Stray Pay Or, they will think you are calling them fat.
howard wallowitz,
+cortster12 Definitely. I guess it would only work with mathematicians. :P
the lesson by "Ganesh Pi"
+Wizard Johnson I don't think that was the reference or joke there. The original commenter spelled the last name wrong deliberately to show the irrational... I don't even know why I'm explaining this
Meow
Good one Aditya! I will make sure our founder reads this comment :)
Illuminati confirmed
Ganesh 3.141592653589
Hippasus: *discovers irrational numbers*
God: wait that’s illegal
Let √4=p/q(here,p and q don't have common factor)
q√4=p
4(q^2)=p^2
So,as q^2 times 4 is p^2 we can say that p=4a
4(q^2)=(4a)^2
4(q^2)=16a^2
q^2=4a^s
Does, this means√4 is irrational number
@Agrim Verma
Assume √4 = p/q where p and q are coprime and are both integers
q√4 = p
4q² = p²
Already we can find two coprime integers, with q = 1 and p = 2 (or any pair where p =2q for that matter), to prove it so we can conclude that √4 can be written as 2/1 as those numbers satisfy our modified equation and so confirm the original assumption. Another variable wouldn't be needed to solve the equation like you had, but one was used in the video to illustrate that p was even rather than specifically a multiple of the radicand.
This same reasoning can't work with √2 because no coprime integers can satisfy 2q² = p², and the same method can be applied to √n by finding (or proving that there aren't) any coprime integers to satisfy nq² = p².
@@iceenderman-fm4kb what you have done wrong is: 4(q^2)=p^2 means (p) is even but what you have done is assuming that p=4a since (a) is an integer 4a CANNOT be equal to 2 which means that you eliminated the only possible answer (2) what you must do instead is: let p=2a(a is an integer) then 4(q^2)=(2a)^2 => 4(q^2)=4(a^2) => q^2=a^2 => q=a => √4=p/q=2a/a=2 notice that you can't prove that q is odd or even since it's equal to an integer (a) which can be either even or odd and it turns out that it's odd(1)
He couldn't have because "irrational numbers" don't exist in mathematics. Chuckle.
@@iceenderman-fm4kb Absolutely not! The implication from Step 3 to Step 4 is incorrect. 4(q^2)=p^2 does not imply p=4a. Consider values p = 6 and q = 3. Then q^2 = 9 and 4(q^2) = 36 = p^2. But p is 6, which is not divisible by 4. Notice how q itself became a factor of p which already contradicts the initial assumption. In general if the square of a number is divisible by 4 then that does not necessarily imply that the number is also a multiple of 4. Any number that is congruent to 2 or 0 mod 4 will become congruent to 0 mod 4.
What you've proved is not that √4 is irrational. Interestingly, the contradiction you've arrived at proves that the first assumption is false. That is p and q must have common factors specifically in this case that either p | q or q | p. which can then be reduced to the trivial form where the denominator is 1, at which point you're just saying n = n/1.
Good, now cover negative numbers, imaginary/complex numbers, hyperreals, surreals, and split octonians!
Well square root of a negative number should be quite obvious to realise
What is a split octonian?
Something he most likely read on Wikipedia. You don't need to worry about it, I doubt he could explain it to you. (If the guy actually knows it, I don't mean to offend him, I was just making a joke because he rattled off a list of semi-related math terms that all happen to be linked together in Wikipedia. I wouldn't have known about many of those concepts without Wikipedia, so I am not trying to sound better.)
An octonion (he spelled it incorrectly) is an extension of complex numbers into an 8 dimensional number line, like how real numbers are on one number line, and complex numbers have two number lines, octonions have 8 that represent them. They have lots of special properties that make them interesting to mathematicians, and split octonions are similar to octonions in that they are 8 dimensional, but they are made by different rules, to put it simply. Like how complex numbers have a + bi, where i is the square root of 1, split octonions have 8 parts to them. I don't really know that much about them or why these particular definitions are useful, but there is a basic rundown. There is a method of construction that allows for the generation of lots of arbitrary algebras, but this particular one must have some special properties.
+GoldenKingStudio Yes, you're partially right. I did spell octonion wrong, and I wouldn't have been able to explain them. But I didn't get those concepts from Wikipedia - I got them from an awesome UA-camr that combines drawing and math named Vihart, in a video explaining why 0.9(repeating) is equal to 1.
Puggalug That was a very good video, yes. Glad to see another fan.
Nice proof and illustration/animation
Meow
Thank you Vikas, our founder collaborated with TED-Ed to create this lesson :)
Why is Hippasus's time shown as 8 BC? He belonged to 5th Century BC.
Don't Memorise wierd flex but ok😂😂
Not their proof.
“The gods did not appreciate being contradicted”
They’re just like parents and r/dankmemes members: They destroy whoever disagrees with them, even when losing an argument
It's pretty much all of Reddit at this point tbh
Sriram Radhakrishna Yeah, mostly dankmemes tho
Can't help but agree
"instead of adhering to norms decided to prove it was something new" In that world at that time doing this would take immense courage!
even in our world now tbh(:
Meow
In any world at any time actually
For all humans always actually
Please, never stop doing this videos, they are too good
I am a tutor and was teaching number systems to my students. They couldn't understand much and then TED made this Video(so GLAD) and i showed this video to them and believe me, they understood everything :)
Thanks TED for making our life easier :)
Great to hear that Rajat. Our founder was the educator for this lesson. Thank you :)
“The gods cursed a human for a proof of contradiction” was not the geometry hot take I was expecting today but it is welcome nonetheless
Great! finally another narrator!
I'm feeling a little…irrational now
+Ropsana Khanom
HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Punny.
Meow
Have some Pi and you can be transcendental.
I'll give you a 3.1415926535897932.
Same here
Well played, Hippasus.
Meow
Hippasus was NOT punished by any god, but by his fellow Pyrhagoreans.
SUS
@@XenophonSoulis when u lidering a cult, ppl see u as god, lol, ask donnald duck 'bout his trip in mathmagic land
wow. the animation is amazing. really great for visual learners.
It's an interesting paradox: the length of the hypotenuse is always a set, specific length, and the diameter and circumference of a circle are too; yet irrational numbers are not in any real way a specific length.
Great abstract video 🙂 please make more of them, they are the juice for my brains!
2 points response to Making sense of irrational numbers-Ganesh Pai The things I learned from this video is the history of irrational numbers and better ways to solve irrational numbers. the message the narrator was trying to send out was decimals and ratios are only ways to express numbers. What I was thinking about while watching this video are ways to solve irrational numbers and how I can understand it. I likes that at the very beginning she mentioned the philosopher Hippasus and his discovery towards mathematics.
really well made video, was hoping for a geometrical proof though seeing as algebra wasn't discovered in 5 BC
Wow, really so beautifully, clearly put and explained in such simplistic way. My teachers used to tell me that I should always "remember" that sqrt(2) is irrational and cannot be shown in a rational way. But after watching the proof, now everything started to make sense. I wonder if every problem has a solution, then why can't this irrational numbers have solutions too? Also there may be other numbers in the infinite set that are in a similar condition to sqrt(2) that cannot be proven.
There certainly are.
At present, it is not known (and therefore unproven) if π + e, πe, π/e, π^e, π^√2 or ln π are irrational or not.
0:27 The man has blonde hair is doing the floss
Making *sense* of *irrational* numbers
. . . . . I see what you did there
Let √4=p/q(here,p and q don't have common factor)
q√4=p
4(q^2)=p^2
So,as q^2 times 4 is p^2 we can say that p=4a
4(q^2)=(4a)^2
4(q^2)=16a^2
q^2=4a^s
Does, this means√4 is irrational number because here ,
2q=p
And
q=2a
And this means both p and q are even and have as common factor which cannot be true since contradicts the fact that p and q cannot have a common factor
Narration is done in a very good and clear way
This made so much more sense than when I was in high school. I wish my teacher had explained concepts like this much more clearly instead of saying "Because they are not rational"; probably would have gotten a better grade...
Thanks Ted!
These lessons never dissapoint!
The Animation was so Dope!
Quite nicely presented and relevant. As an educator, I still find that irrational numbers make people . . . nervous! However, from my reading, no one apparently knows precisely which irrational number Hippasus either proved was irrational, or revealed was irrational (if someone else proved it). Root 2, of course, is a very likely candidate, since it is present in a simple unit square. For this reason, I commonly call Root 2 "the Monster in the Unit Square (with comical yet serious intent). I agree! We should appreciate the adventure of irrational numbers rather than excessively fearing them! Mathematics is a great adventure indeed! Have a great day!
Even more interesting is that it is impossible to plot the number pi on the real number line with only using ruler and compass. Same goes for the number e. These are called transcendental numbers however the proof is rather complicated.
Meow
Well... You could technically plot it it would just be not exactly perfect
It has to be exact though. If you can't do it with absolute and exact precision using a straight edge and a compass, then it is transcedental.
It's not hard to prove pi is transcendental after you prove e is (which is quite hard). It is known that a transcendental number raised to an algebraic power other than 0 will produce a transcendental number. We know that e ^ (i * pi) = -1, and we know e is transcendental and -1 is algebraic. So, that means i * pi must not be algebraic. Since i is algebraic, pi must be transcendental.
@Alex Chuoy
That is incorrect. the cube root of 2 is not transcendental but cannot be constructed using compass and straight-edge either.
All transcendental numbers cannot be constructed but that does not mean that all numbers that cannot be constructed are transcendental.
This is really cool! We're learning about Pi in class and I'm going to show this to my teacher!
very awesome animations, I really learned somehting today that 13 years of school didn't teach me
Meow
Woof
Let √4=p/q(here,p and q don't have common factor)
q√4=p
4(q^2)=p^2
So,as q^2 times 4 is p^2 we can say that p=4a
4(q^2)=(4a)^2
4(q^2)=16a^2
q^2=4a^s
Does, this means√4 is irrational number because here ,
2q=p
And
q=2a
And this means both p and q are even and have as common factor which cannot be true since contradicts the fact that p and q cannot have a common factor
@@iceenderman-fm4kb "as q^2 times 4 is p^2 we can say that p=4a" no, that is false
I have such a bad relationship with math and feel sorry for it
Meow
+Cat Woof
+sara meachel At least you know what you lose (unlike others who don't know that).
does it remind you about your "x" since you don't know "y" she left you?
Lovely video, clear, concise and with subtle humour.
Thank you!
irrational number like square root 2 is fine. but the real problem is Transcendental number. it is NOT a root of a non-zero polynomial equation with rational coefficients. We can't use a nice simple formula to express it. Except using a symbol like pi or e, not really much we can do... Yet they are so useful and powerful!
Me Mine im first befor that *CAT*
My class 9th syllabus got revised. Thank you. 🙂
3:26 Ohhh!! That Activity did in School 👍🏼
3:43 That's a square root spiral right? I had an art integration activity in maths for that. It's seriously amazing how numbers can be connected to concepts like art, music, cosmology etc. I wonder if we will ever find a way to define irrational numbers? There IS a lot of freedom in maths after all.
I agree.
I watch all these ted-ed videos but never really understand them
try to "split" every explication to understand the video
how elegant and simple is this proof ?
Only Indian students will know that we have the proof of this in our class 10 syllabus.
Exactlyyyy!!!!!
I wish school taught us math this way, it's so much more fun to learn this way, and now i actually want to learn about square roots and irrational numbers.
Discrete mathematics at its finest.
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What is discrete math?
PT Yamin A sub-set of mathematics like trigonometry or algebra. Discrete math is where the proofs come from for our mathematical equations. In math, we need to prove everything that we do. Through methods like induction proofs, we can do this. For example, you can prove that the square root of two is irrational like in the video. If you want to be a Computer Science major in college or maybe a Math major, this class will probably be required.
This whole video has nothing to do with discrete mathematics.
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This is such an awesome way to teach irrational numbers
So I have finally found one of the inventors of math
*discreetly adds him to hit list *
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Finally finally finally.... a good explanation if irrational numbers. Well done.
The irony That the person who made this videos is ganesh Pai(pie)
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how is that irony?
His surname seems a bit irrational
Yes, and Ganesh Pai/Pie/Pi loves math :)
Finally a comprehensible class🙄 Thnx 😁
conclusion doing math = you go to hell , to hell with math "literally"
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i believe if u dont do maths then u go to hell😝😝
Math is fun
Sickness!
be careful!!!! I think there are still people who believe in maths as a religion!!!!
It’s insane how smart one would have to be so long ago to figure this out. Creating/discovering math is one of the most fascinating things mankind is capable of.
Great animation
Meow
I was in a group of 3 more friends and we called ourselves "3 guys and the square root of negative 2" (me being referred to as the square root of negative 2) and we all just loved this name, It was awesome.
We also proved this
I am a 10th standard student from India
Thank you for making this so easy to understand, it was very helpful!
3:44 Ooh, the golden ratio.
I think it's called The Spiral Of Theodorus.
Great job guys! I have a much clearer understanding of irrational numbers now! Wish all my classes were like this:)
Came here for a Math’s video ,
Got a history lecture instead
Ted ed best UA-cam channel ever I mean ever
This is a cool version of the proof, but it's not how Hippasus concluded this... there was no algebra in his time
I know that even *π* can be *expressed* as a *ratio of irrationals just like Phi.* I can *visualise* this in my mind and I always got that the result to be *a sum of very complex numbers.* The only *problem* is that I am in *10th grade* so my *knowledge* is very *limited* but still I have a *theory* that *states* :-
_Every number which can be geometrically constructed can be written in the forms of numbers either rational or irrational_
_Just like Phi (1/2 + √5/2) and the diagonal of a square as √2_
The number "e", aka Euler's Number: "A M I A J O K E T O Y O U?"
Let's stop and admire this wonderful lesson
Love this
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I'll have to watch it over and over again
3:42 When all of those triangles are drawn showing all the roots of integers, it kind of reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember what... is that from some other important math concept or am I just crazy?
+Baga Jr I saw it too. You are talking about the Fibonacci Sequence :)
Armando Machado I know each hypotenuse is the square root of a whole number and the outside edges are all 1, but I don't see where the fibonacci numbers come into play. What am I missing here?
+Baga Jr you're not thinking of complex numbers and how you can multiply them and find the product graphically using triangles are you?
It's the Spiral of Theodorus :)
Baga Jr I made a mistake. I totally forgot of what Don't Memorise said! The Spiral of Theodorus.
Just like to point out that as beautiful as this proof is, this isn't a proof that the ancient Greeks would have known, as they didn't have algebra. Nor did they in fact use numbers like we think of today, rather they thought in terms of a given unit length, and numbers were simply the possible lengths of line segments (for example, 2 is exactly twice the length of the unit length)
Where is Anthony Anderson? I can't watch without his voice!!!
This was a lesson by ganesh pai, he was built for this video
"Two times any number = an even number" what about 0.3 for an example
Whole number
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All decimals are even
Because
0.3/2 = 0.15
We need these videos inside classrooms.
video: anything times 2 is even
me: 2.5 x 2
video; wait thats illegal
WOW! I never really understood irational numbers this well! Animation is a powerfull thing
I love pretending that I understand these videos!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The point this was made by dontmemorise and Ted ed is fascinating
can we appreciate the fact that the lesson is by ganesh 'Pi' :P
I didn't notice that! :0
I'm in love with Ted😙😍😍
now i know where the word rational comes from
Seriously dude? You should go back prep
+Jordan Tan
It comes from ur mum because she was telling me to talk mathematical to her
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Rational comes from the Latin, "ratio," meaning reason. How the heck did you figure that out just by watching this video?
LOL SAME. i always thought rational came with the word ration and ration means a portion of food so i thought its just a unique word of its own
to me math is complicated and hard and i cant do it. but i find it really *extremly* interesting is so interesting how everything relates to...EVERYTHING!
please don't upload any video without subtitles ! please please please :(
LagiNaLangAko23 but i don't understand all show .I am a novice in learning english
you can check the subtitles by clicking the 'CC' button. It is found where you see three dots on top of each other
Mikel Arenas but "CC" not available
it's not available on this video.
Oh, then that should put it on
This video is much more interesting and attractive than mathematic classes i've got in korea. I wanna show it to my friends who is unfamiliar with mathematics.
I feel clever now cause I knew the answer lol
I bet you didn't!
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- Ganesh PAI
Why has nobody commented about it?
Dude loads of people have commented about it.
How simple and smart is that? Great video, as always.
When does Life of Ganesh Pai come out?
Soon! :)
Never*
Everything is making sense. Great explanation.
Narrator: "Don't be afraid to explore the impossible."
Me: *fails Math test*
Kayline Alsen same 😭
Me too. Oh! I hate Maths...
This is a great channel, I'm very glad I found it.
We learned this in school, and so I proved *Root 4* is irrational using the same method...
...my teacher was not pleased
Substitute p to 4 and q to 1 through the video
I know what you did......but there is one mistake.... You may have came across a result where you got 4q^2=p^2, from here you may have deduced that p must have 4 as its factor. But this law only applies to prime numbers. If p^2 has x as factor then p also has x as factor ONLY IF x is a prime number (try it out yourself)
root 4 is 2
There is a possibly incorrect statement made in this video. If P^2 = even, this doesn’t necessarily mean P is even. For example P^2=2, 2 is even, then P=SQRT(2) which is not even. The same case for Q^2 being even doesn’t mean Q is even. However, with both P^2 and Q^2 being even you can factor a two of num and dem and they cancel which satisfies the proof by contraction. Excellent video and please correct me if I’m wrong.
Hey guess you can say a lot in this world is made by numbers, specifially 1 and 0
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Actually everything is.
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I have always loved this proof.
Until you try to divide by 0.
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already did, the answer i got was...
Can't tell if joking or serious. Please confirm.
blabbityblah You can't divide by 0. Because if you could then let's assume it gives us a value like 3/0=a ok, then lets say 4/0=b so we move zero to the other side of each equation and we get that 4=0xb and 3=0xa we know that 0x(any number)=0 so 4=0 and 3=0 both don't make sense and also it implies that 4=3. All of this is nonsense, don't try to divide by 0 unless you are dealing with limits, that's completely another story.
JoSe74248 However, there is a number that you can safely divide by 0: 0. If you divide 0/0, your ecuation becomes 0x=0, and any number can fill this requirement.
Realy good explanation...thanks
It's simple 2÷root 2 = root 2 lol 😁
My God...he's done it...
+Money Jatt I'm even more confused now.
then what about that root 2 in denominator....???
false. 2/sqrt (2) =/= sqrt (2)
+Mourad Qqch Of course it is, it can also be written as 2^1/2^(1/2) = 2^(1-1/2) = 2^(1/2) = sqrt(2)
2 points response to Making Sense Of Irrational Numbers-Ganesh Phi
What I took from this video is about ratios and irrational numbers and how they differ. The narrators message from this video is that decimals and ratios are the only ways to express numbers . I was thinking about how to solve irrational numbers. I liked the beginning when the narrator mentions The philosopher Hippsaus and his discovery towards mathematics:
thank you another great video from TED ED It's amazing and irrational how much you make maths easy
This was so beautiful to watch. Thank you!