Beethoven : Wellingtons Victory : A Spectacular Movie - BPO / Karajan
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2017
- This vid is compiled with fragments from the movie: Waterloo (1970).
Though Beethoven means The Battle of Vitoria with his concept, the fragments are just doing it well, not?
See also : Tchaikovsky : Overture 1812: The Movie:
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When you see this footage, you realise that the many of the heroes in the movie are the horses. The really are noble looking animals.
Movie is Waterloo, Rod Steiger as Napoleon, Christopher Plummer as Wellington
Wow, this is a wonderful piece of film editing. The music is Beethoven, nothing more to say. Thank you !
Yeah I know right, and isn’t Ludwig van Beethoven inspiring?
"Wellington's Victory" is something of a musical novelty. The full orchestration calls for two flutes, a piccolo, two oboes, two clarinets, two bassoons, four horns, six trumpets, three trombones, timpani, a large percussion battery (including muskets and other artillery sound effects), and a usual string section of violins I and II, violas, cellos, and double basses. There are more trumpets than horns, and more brass and percussion.
In the orchestral percussion section one player plays the timpani, the other three play the cymbals, bass drum and triangle. On stage there are two 'sides', British and French, both playing the same instruments: two side drums (englisches/französisches Trommeln in the score), two bass drums (Kanone in the score), two (four) ratchets, played by eight to ten instrumentalists.
I recall Beethoven was not a fan of Napoleon after the First Consul made himself Emperor of the French. In addition to removing the dedication to Napoleon from the manuscript of the 3rd Symphony and composing "Wellington's Victory, Beethoven composed the Yorkscher March, heard at the start of the Grossen Zapfenstreich. Prussian General Yorke commanded the Prussian contingent of the Grande Armee for the invasion of Russia, but withdrew his forces from the invasion. He was rewarded with the title Graf (Count) von Wartburg. BTW, his descendents were remembered as opponents of the Nazis.
I also believe Beethoven was Catholic, and thus would not have been a fan of Napoleon anyway for trying to make himself the pope (among other apostate actions).
We can add that the march chosen by Beethoven for the French side was not right: it would have better fitted "La Marsellaise" (official French hymn, in fact) instead of "For he's a jolly good fellow", which no Frenchman sang as a military hymn in those times. We can argue whether it was really a "mistake" or Beethoven did it because he did not want to link a "revolutionary hymn" to Napoleon, the "hero" of his Third Symphony and now the villain who burned Europe from one side to the other. Tchaikovsky came closer to reality with his "1812 Ouverture" by counterposing the Tsarist hymn to "La Marseillaise", although he did not really have much esteem for that work.
This is true. When Wagner visited Beethoven as a boy he was drinking heavily at lockal pub. (not Wagner)
When it comes to great music like Wellington’s Victory, Ludwig Van Beethoven never disappoints.
Especially since it was featured in Baby Einstein's Baby Beethoven video released in 2002.
Beethoven didn't like his "Wellingtons Sieg oder die Schlacht bei Vittoria".
Be still my heart! Somebody "gets it!" When I was assigned marching band duties, we played an edition of this music with the field show a recreation of the Battle of Waterloo, with muskets and cannon on each side.
I took part in a similar performance. On musket. We also did the 1812 overture. It was amazing fun!
Wellington's Victory, or the Battle of Vitoria (also called the Battle Symphony; in German: Wellingtons Sieg oder die Schlacht bei Vittoria), Op. 91, is a minor 15-minute-long orchestral work composed by Ludwig van Beethoven to commemorate the Duke of Wellington's victory over Joseph Bonaparte at the Battle of Vitoria in Spain on 21 June 1813. It is known sometimes as "The Battle Symphony" or "The Battle of Vitoria", and was dedicated to the Prince Regent, later King George IV. Composition stretched from August to first week of October 1813, and the piece proved to be a substantial moneymaker for Beethoven.
wonderful and the part starting at 1min59 sec is the French folk tune "Marlborough s'en va-t- guerre "better known to Anglophones as "For he's a jolly good Fellow"
Hey, you did a great job, giving this farcical piece some dignity. Thanks.
^^ And nothing this presumptuous putz shall have done with his life will be remembered, let alone still presented some two hundred years later. No doubt this peice by Beethoven has stirred more hearts in a day than this tannhaeuserx464 in his unfortunate life span.
When Beethoven and Tchaikovsky both have a song that has cannons and talk about defeating Napoleon.
What's the name of the Tchaikovsky song?
@@frederickphelps2380 overture 1812
go chek it out 👌
It is so unfair the amount of views has. It clearly deserves a million times more. A first rate job indeed!
Yes, Justin Bieber is by far better as Beethoven is...
=( Sadly, nowadays mediocre artists like Mr. Bieber receive much more attention than Herr Beethoven today. It is quite depressing to see how uncultured and, I dare say, degenerated modernity is.
Superb! I wish to believe that Beethoven himself would have loved it. I know by experience how difficult is to edit such a long musical clip. Congratulations and thank you
This heroic melody promotes spiritual uplift and awakening, and activates the human soul
Music students! Pay attention at 11:14. Beethoven isolates and lifts a horn fifth trichord from the theme, separates it, and then improvises a fugue on the motif. It is him showing us first hand his musical skills at improvisation, set into the matrix of orchestra. You may need to scrape your jaw up off the floor when it finishes.
Nothing here is improvisation.
@@tr7938 RIF. It is an improvisation, written down, so we have a sample of his improvising skills, second to none.
I love this. I have the old mercury recording with authentic firearms. I played it for a class one time, and I still remember the reaction: "Holy shit!"
Auch wenn viele die Nase rümpfen. Wellington ist schon ein klasse Musikstück, besonders der 2,Teil, die visuelle Umsetzung gelungen. Wenn man es nicht anders wüßte, würde man sagen: da hat einer eine passende Filmmusik zur Schlacht geschrieben. Schußgenau!
Sublime ! That's what Beethoven works shall be all the time .
Albrecht's oboe solo at 11:00 with Karajan - GOD DAM thank you!
I first time I heard this recording about 45 yrs ago,when I bought it,the first time I heard this piece was at school in the mid 60s, and it was the iconic Mercury recording with Antal Dorati. using authentic cannons from the period,along with period firearms..the 1812 was also on this LP.
Those who think Victory comes easy........... every victory carries a struggle most people can't handle.
Beethoven wins over all sides.
Great job. It must have taken long hours to synchronize music and images. Excellent Karajan recording and the resulting sound is very convincing. There should be a "Vitoria Battle" film out there!
Thx, 6 hours....
Beethoven was a brilliant musical genius. A bit of a madman but that probably what helped make his music timeless.
Impressive movie, but I'am missing General Blücher and Prussia
This piece commentates Wellington’s decisive victory at the Battle of Vitoria which forced the French out of Spain.
5:01 to 5:38.... sublime...
Marvellously well put together. Genius synchronisation. Love the music too. But, as a woman of the old tradition, how did they keep their breeches so spotlessly white?
Yeah I know right? Very entertaining!
Camp followers. Women who followed their husbands, plus others. Also, generally, they put clean clothes on for a pitched battle like this. In case of wounds, you had a better chance of survival if the inevitable cloth was relatively clean.
Espectacular! Perfecta sincronía!
Love this music and the movie
SUPERB film edition
This music doesn't make reference to Waterloo at all, but to the battle of Vitoria, in Spain, that Wellington won. " The tilte of this music work is "Wellingtons Sieg oder Die Schlacht bei Vittoria" (Wellington's Victory, or the battle near Vittoria"). Reference: Jan Caeyers' Beethoven's biography (in German), page 506.
Yeah, but the movie Waterloo is amongst the most popular movie about Napoleon, so I think it is okay to use the footage of it.
@@hruaiachawngthu507 Sure as long as Napoleon isn't part of it. He wasn't at Vitoria after all and Blucher is as much responsible for the victory as Wellington at Waterloo.
And also note that Arthur Wellesley, became marquess of Wellington and only after the battle of Toulouse (1813) is made duke of Wellington in 1814.
There's other footage too. I'm sure I saw american colonial troops at one point. Also many shots of French Revolutionary troops. (Bicorns were SO last century). However, at least it's the rightish period! I don't think it detracts from the excellent job of editing.
I'm surprised so many people (including Deutsche Grammafon itself!) refer to this opus as "Wellington's Victory". The name comes from a
battle the Duke of Wellkington one, to be sure, but it was the Battle of Vitoria, in the Basque country.
Espectacular!!!!!!!!!!
Admirável precisão desse trabalho de edição, a música de Beethoven está intacta!
Played this once - Apparently It was the only work of his in which commoners of the time recognized Beethoven as a composer 'Oh aren't you the guy who wrote Wellington's Victory?!" - He was angered by that, tremendously (according to the stickman).
If this was his “WORST” then he was truly a genius!! 🎶
complimenti al regista di questo lavoro,veramente bello.
Me encanto mucho el video la música y todo lo demas.👏👏👏👏👏👏👌👌👌👌😀😀😀🎖🎖🎖🎖🎖
I like this
Oh man now that I think about it - I remember hearing those modern modulations and thinking that Wagner may have thought it was ok to do so as well.
Men have been mad since the dawn of time and will remain so until the dusk of time
i love it
That’s a big struggle for higher civilization.
The uniforms of the Napoleonic era were awesome.
Holy shit what is this? This is epic
Battle of Waterloo
By this time Beethoven finally realised what Napoleon was.
This was anti Napoleon and the horrendous wars that had gone on for so long with so many casualties.
France was running out of men to send to war and howmany families nolonger had incomes.
To Beethoven it was more than a piece of music. It was a statement.
Very entertaining! Actually LvB might have been rather bitter that this work, written for commercial reasons (and Ludwig certainly knew what feels) was, in his lifetime, far more successful, performed far more often, than any of his "other" symphonies. Tchai of course also heartily loathed 1812, probably for similar reasons... But! Both works are great fun, beloved by audiences ever since they were first performed.
For me, they set high standards. Beethoven is number one and Tchaikovsky Number 2 of all composers.
Honest question: is it possible the the tune “Britannia” and “He’s a jolly good fellow “ is a derivative from the tune at 2:00 - 2:54 ff? Sounds very similar…and at 9:21 is. “My country tis of Thee (sweet land of liberty, of Thee I sing… )
Feels like this Victory music has many tunes woven in
Very American of you to recognize that as "My country tis of Thee" lol, Beethoven probably meant for it to be "God save the King" but they have the same tune so you're not wrong
1:58 “For He’s A Jolly Good Fellow” 🇬🇧
Hard to believe that's Beethoven
wonderful!!! I especially love the "For he's a jolly good fellow" portion-- how very British!
Robert Robichaud And I’ve heard the words “The Bear Went Over the Mountain, to see what he could see to that tune.
The French theme was based on a tune composed to denigrate John Churchill, the first Duke of Marlborough: "Marlborough s'en va t'en Guerre".
Beethoven...nothing compares
Boney keeps calling Wellington an English man ...
He was in fact Irish
Gordon Darker He wasn’t. Wellington himself said, when questioned on the matter, “Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a horse.”
Anglo-Irish.
I think I prefer Tchaikovsky 1812 to this one.Sorry great great great great grand teacher !
big mistake: at 5:00 begins the british cavallery attack (not at 3:59!). at 5:35 they clash with the French
من نمیتونم باور کنم که این قطعه منصوب به بتهوون باشه.. فوق الادست
The first part is a very nice job, I appreciate a lot, even if the movie refers to another battle. I did not like the second part, the Victory Simphony: it is a musical triumph with no sign of sadness or regret, it does not match at all with the after battle death images.
Composed in 1813: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington%27s_Victory
At the Battle of Vitoria (21 June 1813) a British, Portuguese and Spanish army under the Marquess of Wellington broke the French army under King Joseph Bonaparte and Marshal Jean-Baptiste Jourdan near Vitoria in Spain, eventually leading to victory in the Peninsular War. Napoleon did not fight this battle.
Rod Steiger is the resurrected Napoleon in this great movie. Christopher Plummer is far too handsome for Wellington !
0:51
This is often called Beethoven’s 10 Symphony.
Brahms 1st Symphony is often said to be Beethovens 10 th Symphony, which Brahms disliked evidently..and in the Brahms 1,there is a quote of the famous opening of the Beethoven 5th(believed to acknowledge Beethoven but Brahms thought it was more like Beethoven himself knocking on the door).Beethoven did start a 10th symphony,but it was never completed,fragments were found, and it was realised by Barry Cooper,who completed from the fragments..A lot of composers never went past composing a 9th Symphony,many considered it to be beckoning fate, if they tried to surpass the master himself..Schubert and Mahler also started a 10th Symphony,and they too was never completed.fate had struck..
I've never heard it called that...and it would be absurd to do so.
Didn’t realise Rule Britannia was part of it!
Viva Napoleon Bonaparte! Viva Beethoven! A fantastic job!
Vive L'Empreur
3:12 Moo 🐄
Waterloo........... lowland plain
Nice ode to Britain but weren't the Prussians who saved the day for Wellington? :-) Well done video though. Congrats!
geoapostol not at Vittoria.
It's an interesting point about Waterloo, though. The Prussians were utterly defeated the day before the battle and Wellington certainly couldn't have defeated Napoleon's army on his own (bear in mind most of his Peninsular veterans weren't present and he was also in charge of the Dutch army which weren't exactly experienced) so yes, Blucher saved the day.
This music doesn't make reference to Waterloo at all, but to the battle of Vitoria, in Spain, that Wellington won. " The tilte of this music work is "Wellingtons Sieg oder Die Schlacht bei Vittoria" (Wellington's Victory, or the battle near Vittoria"). Reference: Jan Caeyers' Beethoven's biography (in German), page 506.
*Battle Symphony -- "Wellington's Victory" ( Beethoven )* ♫♪♫ Military Style , ENJOY !!!
ua-cam.com/video/3X2ziyN4hFI/v-deo.html [ Performed by the *Household Division* , UK ]
The Albion LION ( with later on the Dutch LION ) defeating the French Roman Catholic Eagle ♫♪♫
*HONI . SOIT . QUI . MAL . Y . PENSE* & *JE . MAINTIENDRAI* ( *1 CORINTHIANS 15:1--4 [kjb]* )
No.
Wellington never tried to win the battle on his own. He only gave battle on the premise that the Prussians would come to support him. The implication that the Prussians 'saved' him is a mischaracterisation
@@owenjones7517 ...... With the compliments of Her Majesty's *Household Division* , London, UK.
Hopefully you've seen the magnificent & accurate performance , as posted above.
9+10=21
tweny one
This movie would look great in 4K.
Bocsánatot kellene kérni Beethoventől!
3:51 11:15
Now the British do not even win football matches.
We still win wars.
Haven't lost a major conflict since 1783.
Miles better than Tchaikavsky's 1812 .
It’s not better. They’re both amazing
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(Georges Clemenceau)
Œuvre de commande ou non, mille excuses Ludwig, mais... bof !
If I were writing a battle symphony, I would call it Jackson's Victory (Reference to General (later President) Andrew Jackson's victory over the British at New Orleans). Here is the structure:
Part 1:
March: Yankee Doodle (E Major)
March: The British Grenadiers (C Major)
Battle: Allegro (B major)
Storm March: Allegro
Part 2:
Finale: The Star Spangled Banner
So many wars in Europe, and for what ?
money?
“Control”
To realize that they shouldn't be fought any more.
Cf. Poem of a boy finding a skull to which the grandfather says, "It was a famous victory". Cf.also Gray's Elegy.
And Blücher's Prussian black flags?
Beethoven is great of course. But brits should stay out of European affairs.