What Happens AFTER A Boat SINKS?

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  • @UUBrahman
    @UUBrahman 2 роки тому +12

    This video, in my opinion, is one of your best videos with sequences, warnings, and explanations to create enough confidence for the amateur to give it an effort to recover the engine.

  • @TeemarkConvair
    @TeemarkConvair 3 роки тому +5

    years ago i visited my folks in stuart fla, and dad's 16' boat had sunk a few days earlier at the slip. he had left scupper plugs in and there had been a huge rain..the battery was connected,,. all the wire terminals were reduced to almost nothing. dad had "given up" after friends had gotten it re floated. i knew he loved his boat so i prodded him into letting me "have a look". a few cans of CRC 5-56 and a battery later, the screwdriver trick worked and it ran for years.. that was when i learned to rebuild the throttle/ transmission quadrant and switches. let me tell you.. that was the best father son time ever!

  • @lakeratatouille
    @lakeratatouille 3 роки тому +29

    Yes do all these steps and then drive the boat into a warehouse and cover it in rice.

  • @gregoryviggiani3096
    @gregoryviggiani3096 3 роки тому +3

    My boat sank 2 yrs ago. Got the boat out asap and I did exactly these steps. The boat runs awesome and I put over 100hrs on it that season and 250 since then. The motor has 990hrs on it. Your videos are awesome and are so helpful. I just wish you worked on more etecs.

  • @8180634
    @8180634 3 роки тому +13

    If it's a small motor that sunk in salt, toss it in a garbage can full of fresh water to rinse the salt out. Upside down. My Dad and brother flipped a ganoe with a little honda 4 stroke on it in fresh water, they were able to get it running and finish the day, motor still works fine. Neighbor dropped his 9.9 2 stroke in the lake, dried it out and it was fine too. Corrosion is the enemy, get it rinsed and running asap!

  • @ravosamarine
    @ravosamarine 3 роки тому +21

    Great video! One thing to add. I like to take the time and take EVERY quick connector on the motor apart and spray with a electrical cleaner and cover In dielectric grease. All of the ignition coils, bullet connectors, ECU connectors ect.

    • @JamesThompson-ol3eu
      @JamesThompson-ol3eu 3 роки тому +1

      Had a 1991 Ford F150 w/ 300 inline 6 use to clean under hood with pressure washer (also after driving in rain storm) would have trouble starting and stumbling when running. Did not happen every time. I took all wiring harnesses apart and used dielectric grease. Stopped problems cold turkey! Still used pressure washer under hood after that.

  • @benjigans1419
    @benjigans1419 3 роки тому +16

    Unfortunately my last boat sank at the dock. Luckily no one was on the boat, it happened overnight. It was a 2001 24 foot angler walk around. The aft bilge pump failed, and my mechanic was on vacation. I called the marina mechanic in to replace the pump. He didn't hook it up right, so it still didn't work. There was a typical Florida rainstorm and the marina called me and told me that it sank. I got insurance money though. The local boatyard said that surprisingly, everything on the boat was operational! I did end up getting insurance money for 100% of the boat's value which is good. Now I am in a 2005 305 Conquest Boston Whaler, so I don't have to worry about it sinking at the dock!

    • @jamesbaskins6351
      @jamesbaskins6351 3 роки тому +1

      Secret is to run it with out the water on huh????

    • @tunerdadtunerdad7927
      @tunerdadtunerdad7927 3 роки тому +6

      If a simple bilge pump is a problem you can't handle yourself. You Sir, do not need a boat.

    • @CaptainDayne
      @CaptainDayne 3 роки тому +1

      Once the foam in a boston whaler is water logged it can sink.

    • @benjigans1419
      @benjigans1419 3 роки тому

      @@CaptainDayne good point. I plan to get it checked out eventually in a couple years.

    • @benjigans1419
      @benjigans1419 3 роки тому

      @@tunerdadtunerdad7927 I know how to do it. I’m very skeptical to try it on my own boat after what happened to my previous boat.

  • @Venomrs4
    @Venomrs4 3 роки тому +9

    This is why I like 2 strokes. Drop them in the ocean, take them out a week later, fill the gas tank with Nutella, and it will run.

  • @robertpray1064
    @robertpray1064 2 роки тому +3

    I was a volunteer in Adana Turkey at the Incerlick CDI Base Rod and Gun club (last century: 1978/79). We put together several runabouts running Chryslers 40HP outboards originally bought back in 73 by the base. We found one 50hp engine that was shoved back in a storage container upside down. We learned it had been dropped overboard into the black sea and recovered after sitting on the bottom for several days over four years prior. I had only a couple years outboard experience, but knew it should have been nothing better than a boat anchor. But we were young guys with time on our hands so my friend, an aircraft mechanic, decided we should see what parts it had that might help with our little fleet of forgotten boats. It was of course stuck. Looked clean but the coils , points and harness were scrap, Pulled the power head off with the help of propane and patience, and discovered the power head was completely full of salt water... Our curiosity outweighed the voice that said scrap it, and we discovered that with fresh rings and bearings had to be replaced, but everything else had only a slight coat of rust and cleaned up nicely. Apparently since it was upside down and completely full of water, all the oxygen was used up quickly and in the total darkness, thus protected from serious corrosion. These were simple engines of course, Don't think we even had electric starters, just recoil, but hey, I'm seventy now soooo memory could be better. That beastie ran great, and pulled skiers better than the forties, but they got plenty of use. The boats were all hand laid fiberglass fourteen footers. Good times!

  • @douglauzon6462
    @douglauzon6462 3 роки тому +6

    Came close to sinking once. Brand new 20’ aluminum with loose rivets, 5 people sitting in the bow while I managed to get it to plane, pull the drain plug and head to shore lol

  • @Neptune730
    @Neptune730 3 роки тому +2

    UA-camr Alfred Montaner was able to rescue three Verado 300. The first fell off a Fluid 10m Rib at full speed and sank in 100ft of water. The other two sank at the dock. His videos show how he rescued them. Very good and thorough information.

  • @TheDoug9901
    @TheDoug9901 3 роки тому +1

    had belows changed by the marina the excuse for sinking was the bellows slipped off which is no excuse clean the flange and use adhesive

  • @djuracki
    @djuracki 3 роки тому +1

    My boat sank one time during big storm. I was one of 7 lucky guys that had boat sunk. Engine didnt sunk full, but after all work by mechanic he forget one thing. He didnt dissemble starter and clean it inside. Starter corroded after 3 months and got stuck. Few bolts down, some wd40 and sandpaper and it was good. But never forget to clean and lube starter after sunking.

  • @Dave-yb2od
    @Dave-yb2od 3 роки тому +2

    Good information / I recently read about abandoned and submerged vessels in some of the local water ways. As a recreational boat owner, I see the importance of the owner of the vessel to take responsibility to make sure that you take all steps to have it removed from the water. To keep our waterways safe and our water supplys clean. For all to enjoy. Thanks. See ya on the water.

  • @mikszekely5143
    @mikszekely5143 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome video lots of great tech tips. Had my boat go down at the dock about a year ago. Never buy anything but a american made bilge pump. Thanks again for all the great advice.

  • @Greataviator1
    @Greataviator1 2 роки тому +1

    Great job. Quick and proper action saves the motor and equipment.

  • @Johnnysday
    @Johnnysday 3 роки тому +4

    As always, detailed, concise instruction, provided by real professionals!

  • @idadho
    @idadho 3 роки тому +3

    The music background makes it difficult to hear what you are saying.
    Some replace the drained engine oil with diesel fuel, squirt some diesel in the cylinders then crank the engine without plugs to mix the water with the diesel fuel. Then drain and put engine oil in. An air hose to blow out lines is useful.

  • @Travel-fans.
    @Travel-fans. 3 роки тому +4

    So glad I found this channel, subscribed! I love working on boats as a hobby

  • @fishhunt9874
    @fishhunt9874 3 роки тому +3

    At the 10:30 minute mark to me it looked like the engine was started and ran without freshwater running into it. Corrosion-X or Salt-X running in through all the water passages is a must and also will help save your impeller. Fingers crossed that this never happens to me.

    • @sharkansas_
      @sharkansas_ 2 роки тому

      he had water running to it.. it's the hose + gun looking thing attached to the left side of the motor

    • @fishhunt9874
      @fishhunt9874 2 роки тому

      @@sharkansas_ Maybe it is ok to use the flush connection when running the engine on a MERC.
      Definitely not ok on a Yamaha. Yamaha owners manual states to never start your engine with water supplied only to the flush port. Tape off the lower high speed inlet ports on Yamaha and supply water to the water pump with cup or submerged in a tank. I do both.

  • @schlaznger8049
    @schlaznger8049 3 роки тому +1

    I have watched several of your videos and really enjoy them, Thanks! Subbed

  • @steamfitter5269
    @steamfitter5269 2 роки тому +1

    Wow! What a great video, wish I'd have seen it a couple years ago when my first boat sank. It's probably the worst feeling in the world going to the dock after a bad storm and seeing your boat under water. I wish I'd have known the engine might have been salvageable. Instead I practically gave away a well equipped 21' center console to be done with it

  • @gsus4eternity687
    @gsus4eternity687 3 роки тому +1

    Ty sir for your carefree motive to educate. I don't even own a boat.

  • @whadis20
    @whadis20 3 роки тому +2

    Awesome vid; what me and my buddy did was, run it with marvels mystery oil to flush it out and save a dollar on oil.

  • @karlerner15
    @karlerner15 3 роки тому +1

    Been there with a sunk motor. My 175 Evinrude went for a swim due to a rusted out steering shaft that snapped one upper mount and the spline shift at the bottom mounts. Had to rebuild the carbs, replace all the electrical parts save for the coil packs and all my rigging from cutting it to get it out of the water and into my truck. Luckily it happened when loading the boat so it didn't ruin the hullI minus a couple knicks from the prop. Boy was that expensive.

  • @bobclark58
    @bobclark58 2 роки тому +2

    How about hooking a vacuum cleaner up to the engine and just suck out all the air in different areas where there might be water just throw a vacuum cleaner on it

  • @bradwatkinson7972
    @bradwatkinson7972 3 роки тому +2

    once again another amazing video man keep it up!!

  • @baldyetichronicles
    @baldyetichronicles 3 роки тому +1

    I'm sure glad someone made a UA-cam channel like this. All this information will come in handy someday.

  • @skunkjobb
    @skunkjobb 3 роки тому +1

    I got my first boat, a 5,5 m wooden sailboat for free from its previous owner who had left it at the dock and let it sink. I winched it up, refurbished it and all was well except the outboard that had been drowned for several months. I didn't even try to fix it. My second boat, an 8,5 m plastic sailboat sunk after I neglected it for so long that rain water weighed it down. It was a bit trickier to refloat but I did it and saved the outboard that had only been in water a few hours. Dried out the cushions and all was well, no big deal.
    Now with a 12 m motorboat, I have had bad dreams about it sinking. That would be a big deal, a total disaster so that must not happen.

  • @DirtMcGert29054
    @DirtMcGert29054 3 роки тому +2

    Had a westerbeak genset that took in water though the sea water pump , used an external pump to circulate diesel through the motor for an hour( motor off) , drained , filled with fresh oil ran til it got up to temp and repeated it one more time , got all the water and trash out of the motor

    • @budsbustbi6339
      @budsbustbi6339 3 роки тому

      helpd clean any sludge build up from the inside!!

  • @lear60man
    @lear60man 3 роки тому +1

    Cool video. I had a basic idea of how to bring one back to life but this covers the bases.

  • @machew2009
    @machew2009 2 роки тому +1

    and don't forget to replace the water pump impeller after running on the flush port that is not intended for running do to not enough water being provided to the water pump impeller

  • @Matt0932
    @Matt0932 3 роки тому +1

    On atv's I do a 3to1 ratio of kerosene to oil for 5or6 oil changes or until comes out clean then 3or4 oil changes

  • @nazdak691
    @nazdak691 3 роки тому +2

    I don't have a boat yet , but your videos are extremely helpful. Thank you !

  • @thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
    @thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 3 роки тому +4

    I know it looks as if this engine is being run without cooling water but that's a good way to damage the seawater impeller and overheat the engine. I use lower priced aftermarket engine oil, not the expensive OEM oil, until I'm satisfied the crankcase is clear of moisture and before running the boat out in the water. I use good OEM oil for the launch. Typically this will require 3~4 oil changes.

  • @joekoehler6759
    @joekoehler6759 3 роки тому +1

    One thing to lessen the cost is on the first oil after you've drained the water buy cheapo store brand oil, your going to be spending a ton of money if your boat sinks so might as well save what you can where you can. I know on my yamahas annoil change kit is almost 90.00 each.5 quart Jug of cheap oil is about 15.

    • @lpsg405
      @lpsg405 3 роки тому +1

      Saving your old oil from your most recent oil change is a great option too.

  • @richardcranium5839
    @richardcranium5839 3 роки тому +13

    the first thing to do is call your insurance company!!!!

    • @CaptainDayne
      @CaptainDayne 3 роки тому

      Then call Sea Tow!

    • @budsbustbi6339
      @budsbustbi6339 3 роки тому

      yes dont give anything way off it tell they pay!

    • @erikb8877
      @erikb8877 3 роки тому

      Your second call is to me.

  • @rickybailey7123
    @rickybailey7123 3 роки тому +1

    I add diesel fuel to the oil if the motor takes 4 qts oil i add 1 qt diesel and only idle engine for a few mins till warm and drain immediately it will take all water out first time u will not haft to do 3 or 4 oil changes !!!!

  • @jimminyxmas
    @jimminyxmas 3 роки тому +1

    This was an informative video, without distractions, tons of jokes or the word 'bro' being used 178 times. Thanks!

  • @chrisbrennan2622
    @chrisbrennan2622 3 роки тому +2

    Had to wait for tide to go out to get my jet ski back she runs good still

  • @OfficerDave78
    @OfficerDave78 3 роки тому +1

    That must be a sinking feeling you get to the dock and all you see is an antenna sticking out of the water. For most it’s a nightmare unless your trying to get out of you monthly payment.

  • @mikeludwikowski7050
    @mikeludwikowski7050 3 роки тому +18

    My boat almost sank during a hurricane bc the bilge pumps ran down the batteries. I was lucky the marina called me

  • @bobcathey8903
    @bobcathey8903 3 роки тому +1

    Before the engine rises to full temp the impeller should be replaced. Running it out of water, or without a cooling water supply will destroy the impeller. Probably should replace it anyway before any typical normal load. Better safe than sorry after all that work! Cheers!

  • @coreyholmes2229
    @coreyholmes2229 3 роки тому +2

    Good choice of music for the video haha. Reminds me of a cowboy dying in a western.

  • @armandoboensel593
    @armandoboensel593 3 роки тому +1

    Hey that's some very VERY useful information, glad to see you guys hit 100 thousand 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @michaelotten6334
    @michaelotten6334 3 роки тому +1

    Time is of the essence in salt water. Rescued two 2-strokes that thought they were submersible. One ran for 4 more years before being traded, still running. The other, still on the boat, 1+ year later. NOT mine BTW...

  • @ermannodibenedetto3064
    @ermannodibenedetto3064 3 роки тому +1

    Keep going bro ur almost at 100k my greater compliments 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @hayscib03
    @hayscib03 3 роки тому +1

    so close to 100K. Amazing milestone mate.

  • @RandyHunt
    @RandyHunt 3 роки тому +1

    Great job getting her running again!

  • @jonnyglez3530
    @jonnyglez3530 3 роки тому +2

    Great video 👍 like always

  • @chucktripp5722
    @chucktripp5722 3 роки тому +1

    I don't know how many times I have told people how important a GenII type charging system is on a boat sitting in the water. Bilge pumps over power the batteries during storms or leaking scuppers, down she goes. I just saved my neighbors 200 grand boat from sinking from dead batteries.

  • @techrfun
    @techrfun 3 роки тому +5

    Would 55 gallons of WD-40 be handy!

  • @jamesrahn8339
    @jamesrahn8339 3 роки тому +2

    Did an you really throw your phone in the toilet to prove a point?? 😂😂😂
    Thank you for another great video

  • @giovannifiorentino8947
    @giovannifiorentino8947 3 роки тому

    Great video again. Do you have a video that addresses shore power connection and battery charging procedure in small boats (28’)?

  • @marklaw2845
    @marklaw2845 3 роки тому +1

    On a four stroke outboard what causes fuel to get in the oil?

  • @richardwolske2015
    @richardwolske2015 3 роки тому +1

    Nice job guys ! 👍

  • @travislane9187
    @travislane9187 3 роки тому +1

    I have a 2002 Sea Pro 21sv, it look like the same boat in your video 😬 just curious how that boat sank? Awesome videos btw very informative 🤙

  • @boatlife1018
    @boatlife1018 3 роки тому +1

    We had a 1957 42” Chris Craft constellation that sank 5 times in the middle of winter and had a 23” rinker that sank 2 times we had a 17” winner that sank 1 time we had a old race boat that sank we had a 23 “ bay liner that’s went on fire then sank we had a skiff that sank 3 times and had a 20” proline that went of fire too and I don’t know how but some how managed to fix everyone with out paying some one to come and help or fix them for us

  • @WhiteGangster400
    @WhiteGangster400 3 роки тому +3

    Ooooo that’s one of those rare 200hp L6 verados

  • @michealgray533
    @michealgray533 3 роки тому +2

    Can you do this with Diesel engines? I’d love to see this done on some C18s or C32s

  • @nealblue6413
    @nealblue6413 Рік тому

    When you started it using the flush hose, doesn't that cause the impeller to run dry?

  • @motorv8N
    @motorv8N 3 роки тому +1

    Nothing gives you that terrible feeling like seeing your boat submerged. Having our stern drive boat sink was a major reason we switched to outboard power for our next boat. Just don't like all those thru hull rubber seals degenerating over time and they are a PITA to replace DIY.

  • @kookiethebear
    @kookiethebear 2 роки тому +1

    Don't waste new oil to displace the water, keep some used oil on hand for this and many other uses.

  • @scottspeck8843
    @scottspeck8843 3 роки тому +15

    Come people let's get him to 100,00

  • @DJSbm-28
    @DJSbm-28 3 роки тому +4

    Man does that suck. Hope I am never in that predicament. Good to know though, I need all the information you can give cause you never know. 👍😎🌴stay safe out there.

    • @walterdavis4808
      @walterdavis4808 3 роки тому +1

      I wake up at night with the thought of my boat sinking .... luckily theres only a foot of water under it in its slip so it wont be too bad. I hope

    • @DJSbm-28
      @DJSbm-28 3 роки тому +1

      @@walterdavis4808 lol 😂

  • @tristanschaper281
    @tristanschaper281 3 роки тому +1

    You didn't mention anything about changing the oil filter, or hosing out the supercharger, and inspecting/replacing the air intake filter on the supercharger. Other than that, great video!

  • @Bikes_N_Adventure
    @Bikes_N_Adventure 3 роки тому +1

    Water is always competing to replace the air inside our precious boats, remember that!

  • @carbo2950
    @carbo2950 3 роки тому +1

    Heat exchanger failed. Big mess.

  • @tonymai1844
    @tonymai1844 2 роки тому +1

    sink boat is the same as total loss car. It wont be the same again. elctrical conntacts got corrosion, all kind of intermittent problems, more headache than enjoying boating.

  • @nashathibrahim705
    @nashathibrahim705 3 роки тому +1

    Sir, does running a boat in wot damages the engine ?

  • @vikassadekar3722
    @vikassadekar3722 3 роки тому +1

    Hi bro I'm being watching your all videos
    I just wanted to know if I can get job there

  • @lb7wade518
    @lb7wade518 3 роки тому +1

    Great info!!

  • @salehahmed5074
    @salehahmed5074 3 роки тому +1

    Great video......👏👏

  • @isaacruiz3016
    @isaacruiz3016 3 роки тому

    Would you do the same for a Diesel engine with regards to not letting it run while under water?

  • @lourod9452
    @lourod9452 3 роки тому +6

    This is the worst nightmare!

  • @flywelder
    @flywelder 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent and very helpful videos, thank you so very much!!! excellent quality! Keep these coming please! I am also wondering if you recommend using a 'steering wheel knob'? and if so, which style do you like or prefer? And would that be one that fits directly over the wheel or off to the outside or to the inside? and one that spins or is fixed? etc. ? I figure you have much more experience with the different makes, than I would be, for I only work on one boat, mine!

  • @mahimahiaddictioncesargonz5445
    @mahimahiaddictioncesargonz5445 3 роки тому +1

    Great Video. Sad to who ever went thru this

  • @TheModelmaker123
    @TheModelmaker123 3 роки тому +1

    How do you handle the electrical connectors?

    • @michiganengineer8621
      @michiganengineer8621 3 роки тому +1

      The best option is spray electrical contact cleaner. If you can't find that, and can wait a bit before reconnecting, then WD-40 the contacts and let them air dry. When I was working in salt air, I used a spray containing tri-chloro tri-fluoro ethane. Don't think that stuff is available anymore, and it _may_ have been military only LOL

  • @Boat_FishingDoduJeju
    @Boat_FishingDoduJeju 3 роки тому +1

    i am wonderig. commonly, using the flushing hose and run engine, it causes the impeller got damage?

    • @Boat_FishingDoduJeju
      @Boat_FishingDoduJeju 3 роки тому +1

      @@FAKE-NAME i know your refer. but using the flushing hose and run engine, water do not flow into impeller place. so it causes impeller damage.

    • @torquemarineservices260
      @torquemarineservices260 3 роки тому +2

      @@Boat_FishingDoduJeju You are correct. The external water connection is supposed to be used for flushing the engine. You aren't supposed to run the engine while connected to the flush port. I'm surprised they show it being used like that in the video. It will damage the impeller as no water is coming through the impeller.

    • @qbantek
      @qbantek 3 роки тому

      Maybe he doesn't care because he also plans to replace the impeller? Otherwise you are correct: manual says not run the motor like that. Use the flush port only to flush (motor off).

  • @backwoodsschooling8129
    @backwoodsschooling8129 3 роки тому +1

    Love the content

  • @andrewlaatsch5236
    @andrewlaatsch5236 3 роки тому +1

    I got that same DMM

  • @benblackburn8989
    @benblackburn8989 3 роки тому +1

    Dude, Awesome 🙏👍

  • @Wayno228
    @Wayno228 2 роки тому +1

    I love boats and would be devastated if this ever happened that's why I'm very meticulous about everything

  • @erikb8877
    @erikb8877 3 роки тому +2

    If HR127 passes into law, the number of boat sinkings is going to go through the roof!

  • @AlfredMontaner
    @AlfredMontaner 3 роки тому +10

    Flashbacks 🤯

  • @douglauzon6462
    @douglauzon6462 3 роки тому +1

    Was there a set of ears on that motor? Didn’t see any

  • @baderboqrais5055
    @baderboqrais5055 3 роки тому +1

    Nice job 👏👍

  • @jerseyfreshfishing6613
    @jerseyfreshfishing6613 3 роки тому +1

    Cool vid bro...cool hair too

  • @marlon5656
    @marlon5656 3 роки тому +1

    Guys are the beat. I have a tech question. Do you have a site? Or an email?

  • @jacodippenaar1523
    @jacodippenaar1523 3 роки тому +1

    I like the fact you say "if it happened to a friend of yours" haha

  • @thediplomasta5891
    @thediplomasta5891 3 роки тому +1

    Boat owner: Hey, what are these arc marks on my starter solenoid?!
    Dude. If you can afford the diagnostic terminal, then you can afford a remote starter switch. Come on, meow.

  • @Fireship1
    @Fireship1 3 роки тому +1

    All good tips. Let’s hope I never need to use them!

  • @williamavery9185
    @williamavery9185 3 роки тому +1

    No insurance..transfer your home to mum... leave the state.

  • @4040pmora
    @4040pmora 3 роки тому +1

    Shoot.....that’s what insurance is for !!!!

  • @mahimahiaddictioncesargonz5445
    @mahimahiaddictioncesargonz5445 3 роки тому +1

    What's good Aroon
    See you on July
    Key Colony
    July 2-14

  • @robmitchell3633
    @robmitchell3633 3 роки тому +1

    Fill engine with diesel

  • @mahimahiaddictioncesargonz5445
    @mahimahiaddictioncesargonz5445 3 роки тому +1

    Nice Hair Dudd

  • @john.johnb_online1438
    @john.johnb_online1438 Рік тому

    Thank you

  • @2fast4you25
    @2fast4you25 3 роки тому +1

    Yeaaap need to pickle that engine fast, ones out the water. Been there, done that ""for a friend"" 🤪🤪🤪🤪👌👌👌👌👌👌

  • @fredviener6041
    @fredviener6041 3 роки тому +1

    been there done that. Twice