I've been an industrial plumber for 11yrs now (2009 - ) and there's no greater feeling than finally connect a union fitting after a long day of laying pipe.
Guy: Hi Richard, I tried wedges and straps, but it doesn't work, I need help. Richard: Let me show you the trick. What you actually need is a wedge and straps.
Same, UA-cam recommended section has been throwing me some real curve balls lately. I did learn from this video that radiator systems are a lot more complicated than I originally imagined lol.
Hemp and candle wick work similar for thread sealant. They expand and seal if they get wet. Originally here it looks like it went into a 90 with a LR nipple. Always difficult adding the Dahl valve.
Should have cut about 1/2 in. extra threads on existing pipe or replaced it with one about 1/2 in. shorter. It would then go together without all of the lifting and prying, and there would be less stress on the pipe and radiator.
If anyone didn't have wicking just use horse hair and grease we do this in Poland and it works all the time because Teflon tape is just not economical to use
@@buckhorncortez hair from your better half works just as well but here you can buy locks of hair in a small package for only 5usd and that would last for about 390 1,5 inch npt pipe threads
I have come into this problem before after people have used this exact fix. After Time you're building will settle and fittings will fail. It's sad to say that this is the only video with the master plumber that I don't approve of. There were a few different tactics in which you could have tried before forcibly pulling the two connections together. Easiest workaround would probably been sawzall and moving plumbing over an inch or two after cutting out a considerable amount of notches underneath your floor. Other than that you could have had a flexible line that would have been able to make the bend necessary so threads line up to meet joints. Flexible lines are now in use and should be utilized in situations of retrofitting. I hope this helps.
Does the system ever need to be flushed (something like a vehicle radiator) because of hard water build-up or contaminants? Does an additive get added to prevent rust/corrosion, etc...? Thank you.
In my country, if we have a closed system for radiators, we often add a little bit of anti-freeze, or propylene glycol just for its corrosion protection. Beware that car anti-freeze and heating system anti-freeze is not the same thing.
Ive seen some people bleeding the radiators through a screw on the top of the radiator with a radiator key..it was explained that this method is to get air out of the radiator. Is this method needed with steam heat radiators that have side vents? Ty.. Matthew
How does a radiator plumbed like that ever get much hot water circulating through it? Wouldn't most of the water circulation be through just the very bottom area of the radiator, since the inflow and outflow are both down at the bottom? Was this radiator plumbed like this originally, or was it previously a steam system? Compared to steam, hot water carries so much less heat. Seems like a downgrade in performance to change a steam system over to hot water.
If he only needed a 1" valve probably could have taken up the space by using multiple reducer bushings on the rad. But seeing his floor pipe was already 1-1/4", just gotta muscle it and pray.
Do you mean to bleed each radiator that I would be removing or bleed each radiator in the entire house? Then when the radiator is reinstalled, do I then close each bleeding valve or was I supposed to have done that immediately after bleeding and before removing the radiator. What sequence should I be leading the radiators in, is it the first one closest to the boiler or the one on the top floor. And what is the procedure for closing the bleeders when I am done reinstalling and what happens next, do I turn on the water feed to the boiler before turning on the electric before closing the bleeder on the radiator/s? I do vaguely remember doing this years ago and the heat was never the same. I know that you're restricted by time in making these videos but from my experience, one false move out of sequence can turn a simple job into divorce procedures😁 The reason for a lot of my confusion too was that another reputable video starts off by talking in-depth about how to bleed starting at the ground floor with the radiator farthest from the boiler. That in itself can be misinterpreted if there are just two radiators the same distance from the boiler at opposite ends of the floor. In my mind, the "farthest" one is the radiator way up on the top floor. Now if it is the farthest one on that ground floor, how do I determine which radiator is farthest if one is at one end of the room and the other at the opposing end but each at the same distance from the boiler. Is farthest the correct word? Sorry for sounding whatever way but dyslexics have to know exactly without any hint of a doubt what's what. Thanks, John
@@unclefreddieDied we just had the coldest temps in North America and the heaviest snow in 20 years. So you wouldn’t escape it in Nebraska lol. Just no radiators lol.
VIEWER BEWARE!! Now that I look at it again and again and again, there's a slight mention of bleeding the radiator. He mentions very briefly if you catch it halfway in and again at the very end. He should be saying " it's very important to bleed EVERY SINGLE RADIATOR IN THE HOUSE. What is said could easily be interpreted by a homeowner who is not used to doing this as (it's important to bleed the radiator in the system) Bleeding the system is THE ONE MOST IMPORTANT STEP!!!!! I see this time and time again with This Old House. They spend more time talking about the family and how lovely the house is and filling up the video with exciting animations. No mention of the important stuff. All I can say against anyone who's going to argue with me is that at least 25% of this video should have been dedicated to the bleeding and just as important, the sequence of bleeding. But that 'makes for bad TV I suppose which is more important than helping people to fix problems. Their advice will lead to you wasting a weekend and then having to find and schedule a plumber and of course the cost which comes with that. Whatever you do do not take their advice on installing any electrical or flammable fuel devices. And if you do I would double and triple check what they are telling you. This is a disgrace TOH
I don't have a radiator nor do I know anything about it but it looks like Richard is putting a lot of pressure/tension on the pipe by supporting the radiator.. In the long run the pipe will give up
In most european countries radiators are the standard heating. But the design changed very much. The old ones used radiant heat, the new ones use convection. Every radiator is having it's own thermostatic valve, so you can have different temperatures in different rooms. The cost of such a valve is between 10 and 30 Euros (converted it's between 11 and 33 US$), depending on if it's a simple one or a comfortable programable electronic one...or with a smart home connection, adjustable with your smartphone and such things.. simple one: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Vanne_thermostatique_thermador_10.jpg Digital one: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Honeywell_Rondostat_HR20_resized.jpg
After this is something like baseboard heating, but they need to repipe for that and have space. After that is forced air, which supports heat and cold, but you need space for ducting or space for airhandlers if it's ductless. The boiler is replaced with a furnace.
а если все стены дома заложить жидкими обоями с функцией подогрева и пол .все батареи не надо или надо ??? прикиньпульт подьехал тачкой включил стены пол и все а есть ультра лампы еще которые будут обогревать и нести освещение .. сынок ты не хочешь выкинуть дровянной котел и поставить ультрапечку с фч полями ....и крыщу от китайского автопрома с разьездными стеклами сеточкой шторой и тонированием ..ну и живи дальше у бабушки с дедами дибилами ....можна было автодом купить с любым местом для парковки и квартиру снимать по всему миру .а щас ты НА ЦЕПи как собачка у папы бабушки и новой жизни семейнного штампа ГНЕЗДО В ДЕРЕВНЕ С ЖИВНОСТЬЮ музами ..а мог купить робота собачку робота кошечку робота ребенка в подгузнику робота женского пола робота КУМ киберуниверсальнаямашина.
I've been an industrial plumber for 11yrs now (2009 - ) and there's no greater feeling than finally connect a union fitting after a long day of laying pipe.
Damon Underwood ahhh know the feel
Nothing beats a long day of laying pipe
The radiator episodes are the best.
Fixing an old radiator is art that few know....good job Richard.!!!
Guy: Hi Richard, I tried wedges and straps, but it doesn't work, I need help.
Richard: Let me show you the trick. What you actually need is a wedge and straps.
😂😂😂😂😂.
That was VERY satisfying to watch a wedge and two levers get that thing in alignment with the valve!
I don’t even know why I’m here... I don’t have a radiator.
same
@@Danny13243 /
DICKBUTT??
Same, UA-cam recommended section has been throwing me some real curve balls lately. I did learn from this video that radiator systems are a lot more complicated than I originally imagined lol.
Haha! Now if I go to the house that has a radiator hard to connect, we will know what to do!
Just excellent teaching from a guy who's seen it all -- great video
I can’t even imagine the amount of stress that the two pipes are getting
Sometimes two heads and two sets of hands is all you need. Thanks for the info.
Hemp and candle wick work similar for thread sealant. They expand and seal if they get wet.
Originally here it looks like it went into a 90 with a LR nipple. Always difficult adding the Dahl valve.
Hi TOH , I like too watch Rich Tretheway show us new products in plumbing & how to fix & repair things involved with plumbing ! 👍😃🚿🚽🛀
Maaannn he had to do it with his left hand. Thanks for helping the plumber out.
This feels like an episode from 2003. Usually the homeowner just sits and watches in recent seasons.
Should have cut about 1/2 in. extra threads on existing pipe or replaced it with one about 1/2 in. shorter. It would then go together without all of the lifting and prying, and there would be less stress on the pipe and radiator.
If anyone didn't have wicking just use horse hair and grease we do this in Poland and it works all the time because Teflon tape is just not economical to use
Sure...I'll just run right out and shave my horse...
@@buckhorncortez hair from your better half works just as well but here you can buy locks of hair in a small package for only 5usd and that would last for about 390 1,5 inch npt pipe threads
I use my hair.
mark zamiechowski
Teflon tape is less than a dollar for a roll here .
@@darwinawardcommittee here it's usually arround 2.50 USD per 50 foot rolls of 3/4
Sheithowdy, learned something new on the thread filler.
I have come into this problem before after people have used this exact fix. After Time you're building will settle and fittings will fail. It's sad to say that this is the only video with the master plumber that I don't approve of. There were a few different tactics in which you could have tried before forcibly pulling the two connections together. Easiest workaround would probably been sawzall and moving plumbing over an inch or two after cutting out a considerable amount of notches underneath your floor. Other than that you could have had a flexible line that would have been able to make the bend necessary so threads line up to meet joints. Flexible lines are now in use and should be utilized in situations of retrofitting. I hope this helps.
I really liked this episode!
Very informative. I would totally screw this up
now you know... and knowing is half the battle
G.I.JOE!!!
Does the system ever need to be flushed (something like a vehicle radiator) because of hard water build-up or contaminants? Does an additive get added to prevent rust/corrosion, etc...? Thank you.
Periodic flushing can help get better performance, yes.
@@TheDoctor1492 thank you
In my country, if we have a closed system for radiators, we often add a little bit of anti-freeze, or propylene glycol just for its corrosion protection. Beware that car anti-freeze and heating system anti-freeze is not the same thing.
Ive seen some people bleeding the radiators through a screw on the top of the radiator with a radiator key..it was explained that this method is to get air out of the radiator. Is this method needed with steam heat radiators that have side vents? Ty.. Matthew
How is that strap attached to that 2x4? It was difficult to tell from the angle they filmed.
Dude wicking? I didn't know they still made that stuff haven't used it in 20 years!
totally
Whatever happened to radiator heaters?
God bless you RICHARD YOUR WORK IS AWESOME I NEED SOME HELP RADIATOR IS LEAKING IN MANHATTAN
I live in a house that’s heated this way. Hopefully I never have to replace any valves.
Lol. If you sell it fast you will be ok.
I appreciate it
He should check to see if the valve is open before he left.
Should have put some dope on the union taper and threads. And snug the packing nut after opening the valve all the way
If there's water in the radiator, the valve is open.
@@scotttovey the radiator will fill from the return pipe and vent with the supply valve closed.
@@jeffreyjohn2037
It shouldn't,
But then, that really depends on how the system is designed.
@@scotttovey I seen this on my system, fills pretty well via return line.
I wonder if they could've put shims under the valve side legs of the radiator. Hmmmmm....guess I'll never know.
How does a radiator plumbed like that ever get much hot water circulating through it? Wouldn't most of the water circulation be through just the very bottom area of the radiator, since the inflow and outflow are both down at the bottom? Was this radiator plumbed like this originally, or was it previously a steam system? Compared to steam, hot water carries so much less heat. Seems like a downgrade in performance to change a steam system over to hot water.
If those two legs on the rad aren’t back on the floor there would still be stress on the connection fittings. Maybe they left a wedge under the legs?
Nah, the slack and gravity will settle everything.
If he only needed a 1" valve probably could have taken up the space by using multiple reducer bushings on the rad. But seeing his floor pipe was already 1-1/4", just gotta muscle it and pray.
Do you mean to bleed each radiator that I would be removing or bleed each radiator in the entire house? Then when the radiator is reinstalled, do I then close each bleeding valve or was I supposed to have done that immediately after bleeding and before removing the radiator. What sequence should I be leading the radiators in, is it the first one closest to the boiler or the one on the top floor. And what is the procedure for closing the bleeders when I am done reinstalling and what happens next, do I turn on the water feed to the boiler before turning on the electric before closing the bleeder on the radiator/s? I do vaguely remember doing this years ago and the heat was never the same. I know that you're restricted by time in making these videos but from my experience, one false move out of sequence can turn a simple job into divorce procedures😁 The reason for a lot of my confusion too was that another reputable video starts off by talking in-depth about how to bleed starting at the ground floor with the radiator farthest from the boiler. That in itself can be misinterpreted if there are just two radiators the same distance from the boiler at opposite ends of the floor. In my mind, the "farthest" one is the radiator way up on the top floor. Now if it is the farthest one on that ground floor, how do I determine which radiator is farthest if one is at one end of the room and the other at the opposing end but each at the same distance from the boiler. Is farthest the correct word? Sorry for sounding whatever way but dyslexics have to know exactly without any hint of a doubt what's what. Thanks, John
Roasty Toasty
He learn everything from his time in roto rooter ....
Slick
DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOR EVER?!?!?!
I'm so happy to not live an area where radiators were the norm.
They're the cleanest, most efficient heat - if you need heat, that is.
VampireOnline are there any houses for sale near you? I'm getting tired of looking at this snow!!!
@@unclefreddieDied we just had the coldest temps in North America and the heaviest snow in 20 years. So you wouldn’t escape it in Nebraska lol. Just no radiators lol.
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Is single strand plumbing wicking the same stuff used for candle making?
Seems unlikely, a candle wick is a lot thicker, braided cord.
some of the stuff you can buy is the same, its just braided together for candles. depends on the candlewick you buy or the plumbing wick you buy.
Do you guys in the states not use TRVs on your radiator??
Many people here have TRVs installed, but in older homes, probably not as much. There are complaints in their stead.
So surely the pressure and weight of the radiator is now pressing down on the pipe that was too high?
Don’t quit your day job
Mike Pilcher 😅
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Chad feels cold
Can you use teflon tape and thread sealant/pipe dope together?
You can apply pipe dope over teflon tape
Rich I have ?
Is galvanized pipe legal on
Natural gas.
No. Blk steel, copper, CSst or plastic
"actually"
VIEWER BEWARE!!
Now that I look at it again and again and again, there's a slight mention of bleeding the radiator. He mentions very briefly if you catch it halfway in and again at the very end. He should be saying " it's very important to bleed EVERY SINGLE RADIATOR IN THE HOUSE. What is said could easily be interpreted by a homeowner who is not used to doing this as (it's important to bleed the radiator in the system) Bleeding the system is THE ONE MOST IMPORTANT STEP!!!!! I see this time and time again with This Old House. They spend more time talking about the family and how lovely the house is and filling up the video with exciting animations. No mention of the important stuff. All I can say against anyone who's going to argue with me is that at least 25% of this video should have been dedicated to the bleeding and just as important, the sequence of bleeding. But that 'makes for bad TV I suppose which is more important than helping people to fix problems. Their advice will lead to you wasting a weekend and then having to find and schedule a plumber and of course the cost which comes with that.
Whatever you do do not take their advice on installing any electrical or flammable fuel devices. And if you do I would double and triple check what they are telling you. This is a disgrace TOH
If u have a 100 yr old house good luck.
I don't have a radiator nor do I know anything about it but it looks like Richard is putting a lot of pressure/tension on the pipe by supporting the radiator.. In the long run the pipe will give up
The pipe has been in the house for 60 years. It will withstand a whole lot longer.
We don't want to put any stress on that old pipe, so lets use it as an anchor point for this board and manhandle this radiator into place!
Don't you have hemp in the US ?
nberedim I want to know more... What would you do with the hemp?
@@Maniac8275 You seal the joint
LOL
That foo said yahtzee?
Why is it that these old house still uses radiators ? Is it because it to expensive to change the heating system to another type.
Because they work. No need to fix what ain't broke.
In most european countries radiators are the standard heating. But the design changed very much. The old ones used radiant heat, the new ones use convection. Every radiator is having it's own thermostatic valve, so you can have different temperatures in different rooms. The cost of such a valve is between 10 and 30 Euros (converted it's between 11 and 33 US$), depending on if it's a simple one or a comfortable programable electronic one...or with a smart home connection, adjustable with your smartphone and such things..
simple one:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Vanne_thermostatique_thermador_10.jpg
Digital one:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Honeywell_Rondostat_HR20_resized.jpg
After this is something like baseboard heating, but they need to repipe for that and have space. After that is forced air, which supports heat and cold, but you need space for ducting or space for airhandlers if it's ductless. The boiler is replaced with a furnace.
Yes, it can be expensive to change. Hot water radiator heat is quiet and steady.
It’s also a really nice form of heat. Steady and consistent and they keep heating after the heat is turned off
I'm surprised he didn't swap the radiator out for a heat pump. 8)
LoL
а если все стены дома заложить жидкими обоями с функцией подогрева и пол .все батареи не надо или надо ???
прикиньпульт подьехал тачкой включил стены пол и все а есть ультра лампы еще которые будут обогревать и нести освещение ..
сынок ты не хочешь выкинуть дровянной котел и поставить ультрапечку с фч полями ....и крыщу от китайского автопрома с разьездными стеклами сеточкой шторой и тонированием ..ну и живи дальше у бабушки с дедами дибилами ....можна было автодом купить с любым местом для парковки и квартиру снимать по всему миру .а щас ты НА ЦЕПи как собачка у папы бабушки и новой жизни семейнного штампа ГНЕЗДО В ДЕРЕВНЕ С ЖИВНОСТЬЮ музами ..а мог купить робота собачку робота кошечку робота ребенка в подгузнику робота женского пола робота КУМ киберуниверсальнаямашина.
LIttle bit of fritz momma.
Steve and miss molly
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You get a pube. Great job there!
I would never have a radiator in my house.
Is someone insisting that you do?
@@hijodelaisla275 hahaha exactly
You will put this radiator in your house or so help me god!
I can’t believe he’s still using “filler string” in 2019....
Watch it again. He is.
@@hijodelaisla275 hahaha i love your comments
Those radiators are a waste of space. Not a fan.
Of course it's not a fan, it's a radiator!
I'll be here all week, try the veal.
@@ClassicBMWFanInQuebec Now that is a knee slapper right there
I can think of a bigger waste of space.
@@ClassicBMWFanInQuebec that was a classic!
@@hijodelaisla275 well said LoL