Growing Thornless Blackberries || Black Gumbo
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2023
- We are growing Thornless Blackberries in an old cattle trough Hugelkultur bed! These canes are going into their second full year in my garden and we need to do some pruning. I'll talk about maintaining your blackberries, whether you need a trellis or not, the growth habits of blackberries, and you'll see a condensed version of how we made this bed and oplanted our tiny blackberry starts.
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Just what I needed!
Thank you for getting right to the point, no fluff or needless talking or background music.
Perfect!
Miss Phoebe is so happy to be able to run around the yard again, her recovery period must have been frustrating for her.
A great blackberry bed. I grow a PrimeArk Freedom in a large pot on my patio in Central Arkansas Zone 8a. I eat them on my corn flakes and make cobbler out of them. This variety comes from University of Arkansas Agricultural development.
I am learning so much and starting out small with "room to grow". Thank you for the time and effort that you put into teaching a newbie like me! Is is truly appreciated by this East Texas resident. :)
Thanks for the blackerry video! I bought 6 thornless blackberries over a year ago and planted them in root bags along the hog fence at the edge of my garden backing the cold compost pile. They are still there and this year have started putting out more leaves and some new stems - have no idea what kind but at least I know I can cut out the dead branches and shape them a little. I do have wild blackberries growing everywhere in the yard and the fruit is tasty but I wanted some without thorns. Following your video, hopefully I will be making some jam this summer. It really is my favorite but after years of picking wild I'm ready for no thorns. Our deer haven't eaten them that I know of and I chases 5 out yesterday. They are waiting for my summer garden!
Dang it Scott. You just had to show that blackberry jelly on some fresh toast. Now I'm hungry. lol
Thanks Scott
Thank you. I got my first thornless blackberry. It's a very small guy but still growing.
Thank you for the information.
Nothing like home grown.
This fall we planted Triple Crown thornless in a raised bed with a trellis but they are taking their sweet time we are zone 9b Corpus Christi. Thanks for the info in the tip pruning to encourage lateral growth.
First go team Aquarius!
Wow. My blackberries n raspberry tear me up. Time for a change.
Yes!
I just planted my first thornless blackberries last year. I can’t wait to see what happens this year. I love them and blueberries so much. Thanks for the video Scott.
Wish I could grow blackberries. I compromised and have black raspberries coming in a couple of months. Thornless is good!
Nice! I saw your video last year and decided to get 2 prime ark freedom blackberry bushes this year too. I ordered them online from Burpee and they were pathetic. Planted in those 1.5” peat pellets then just placed (not rooted) in loose soil in a 4” pot. The plants had 2 leaves each and where only 1 inch tall max. I tried to contact them with no reply so I went ahead and planted them and I hope they grow ok.
Once again you are talking directly to me Scott! I have been looking at my thornless blackberries for the past week wondering what exactly to do with them. I think the key thing I was to tip my longer branches. That's the key piece of information I think I was missing.
We made a blackberry cake with our still getting a few berries 1st of July in Mississippi
That bed sank a lot Scott. I know I posted about sinking and blackberry plants in it when you planted them. I would slowly raise the soil level an inch or two at a time. Likely doing it in the fall so that new growth becomes accustomed to the soil level in spring. As a precaution I would also pot up a few small offshoot plants in spring and put them back in at the new level in fall. That way if a plant dies, you have replacements.
When I put my thornless blackberries in last spring I used a mix I found online that actually had some soil in it and more perlite to help prevent soil level lowering. It looks like my plant isnt as erect as yours, not sure the name of it. I am going to have to do some trellising. Its in part of a blue 55 gallon barrel. Im thinking of using remesh around the back half and curved to the partial barrel.
Yeah a little at a time is all I can do but there is still a lot of good soil in there.
@@ScottHead It looks like it, I just hope the soil level doesnt drop to much more. Covering perennials above the level they are at can cause problems. The lower it gets the deeper the plants will end up. But moving young offshoots to the new level should be a good insurance policy in case older ones die.
Blackberries are my favorite! My main experiences with them are from 40+ years ago when we would take the kids wild blackberry hunting around Mt Adams in Wash state. The kids ate as many, or more, than they put in their buckets. Have never considered growing them but might next year.
Oh wow, my dog has been helping me "tip" my blackberries 😆
😂. Priceless!
Blackberries are the best berries. 👍
I am a huge fan of blackberries. My wife is also a berry-holic. We are going to try to grow blueberries in pots this year. Once we get a bigger space we will try blackberries in something similar to what you have Scott.
I'm seeding peppers this week. Planting happens next weekend for my other seedlings!
Great video as always. I have one thornless and one with thorns. I'm going to watch your other video now so I can make that yummy looking jelly. Thanks for sharing ☺️ have a great day and happy gardening 🌿🌱😊🤗
I so appreciate all your pruning videos - it's the part of gardening I'm always afraid to mess up, and I put it off even though I know, done correctly, it can help encourage growth. Your videos are super clear and helpful, and I've been way better about pruning this year! Can't wait to see how your blackberries do in 2024!
Yummy. I have wild blackberries everywhere. Thorns . Would love to thornless. But I'm really excited with the blueberry bushes. Thanks that jam looks great. Thank you. ❤️🙏💯👍
Great timing on this video!! I’m putting mine in the ground this weekend!!
We’ve got a prime ark freedom, oaichita (sorry for the spelling), and “Heaven can wait.” I cannot wait to taste those delicious berries this year! Thanks for sharing all the tips, as I’m new to berry growing 😊😊
This is my 2nd year growing. Osage thrornless blackberries I clean mines up and put it in a larger pot happy growing ❤ your channel got a lot of berries last year from Maryland
I was so excited to have a thornless boysenberry, but when the runners came up from underground, they had thorns. Hope you don’t have the same problem with your blackberries!
if I didn't already love this channel, this video right here would have hooked me :D
We're big blackberry fans too and we grow a couple of thornless varieties. Here in Scotland we call them Brambles, and Bramble jam... oh yes please :D
New to your channel, I'm in Zone 9A Houston. This channel will be great to learn from.
I have a Thornless Osage Beauty blackberry bush, it's 3 this year and is now at it's (our) forever home. It's Still only 2 branches.. lol. I tipped her back in February though. Thank u for this and all this amazing content! Bless you🙌🏻
I have 2 vines I set out last spring. Thanks for your information…
Oh I Love Those. Had a lot of them on my NC Homestead. Don’t have any in my CT 6B Community Garden. 💜💜💜 AuntieEllen
I'm stealing your trellis idea! LOL. I have these in front of my house and I've been struggling for the last two years trying to come up with something that doesn't look crazy. I'll paint the T-posts brown to fade into the brick color.
Great! 👍
its great that you made this video i just ordered some of these berries last week.
Thanks!
I don't know what the variety was named, but I have a thorn-less blackberry plant next to a fence that has reverted to having some pretty serious thorns. The berries are big and tasty but only last around three weeks. Another that I had in a pot had spread to the soil and I plan on letting it go since it's not close to a raised bed and was "lawn and weeds" before I cultivated the area two years ago.
I also plan on finding and transplanting a wild plant from the local environment in the same area since the season of available berries to harvest is much longer and they also taste just fine. With an undergrowth of strawberries which seem to be spreading just fine from my original placement my only issue will be thorn-proof garments when harvesting, and I do love my berries. I may even place a few fruit trees in the midst of the brambles and take advantage of height and sunlight in my limited space.
You should leave the canes on the ground around them as a mulch
Black Raspberries are my favorite !!! I don't know if you can grow them down there. If I do I'll pass simple you should try. They are the ultimate berry !!!
thanks for all the tips on growing blackberry's I planted a thornless variety last year I am hoping It well give me some fruit this year I also planted a raspberry bush this year Of course It won't give me fruit until next year
I have the same variety. Unfortunately this year was not a good crop for berries for me. Last winter damaged the flowers but the plants are doing fine and hope next year will be good.
Hi Scott
Thank you for all the helpful information
I can’t wait to check out your video of your blackberry jelly recipe 😋
Here's last years jelly recipe: ua-cam.com/video/RAveuwJyHJk/v-deo.html
@@ScottHead
Good deal 😊
Thank you!!
I've had mine coming up on two years now. I didn't get any fruit last year. Maybe it's three years because I remember it had spread quite a bit last year. However I'm a bit worried because nothing has ever remained alive above ground and still no fruit. Lots of plants but no fruit. Mine says thornless, but you can see a thorn like structure but they are super thin and don't really stick you.
I think they do take a while to really get established, mine too two years to fruit and they looked really pathetic for the first year and a half, two of my three plantings died. Now established, I think it will be hard to get rid of.
Would love a follow up with the status, what to expect. Growing in central texas, and I'm SURE i've over done it by putting two plants in one trough, but- Guess I'll learn!
Freeze killed them for good this last winter.
also if your disabled like me they make electric step in posts you can get at a feed store as opposed to a t post
mmm blackberries. I had a huge, wild thorny variety at my house in Spring Branch. But then the poison ivy got into it and that was all.
Can you bury the crowns a bit when adding compost or are they like strawberries where you can't?
I'll find out in a few months when I start adding new soil.
I'm pretty sure as long as you add the soil slowly I don't think you'll have a problem.
Great video. How many of the baby plants would you leave to grow in the trough? Along with that question; in the summer how much sun does it receive or do you use shade cloth ?
I will let them all grow until they start choking each other out, then its not so much how many plants, but how many canes I think I can keep. No I don't use shade cloth, they get full sun all summer.
Would the style trellis work for 'containing' a goji berry bush? Ever since I saw your video showing that it self propagated I've been trying to learn more about them and ordered some seeds from MIGardner. Would love to have a thornless blackberry! I am blessed with wild blackberries on my property on the NW Oregon coast, but I suffer greatly in picking them! That jelly makes my mouth water!
I'm not sure about the Goji berry yet, this will be the year where I really learn how they behave, since the last few years they were either her in a small pot or diseased. Once this stand get's going I'll know more how to wrangle them.
Which variety is this? Are they sweet or tart? I was looking at the Arapaho which is also thornless and self-fertile.
Prime Arkansas Freedom Blackberry.
thank you for this video - very informative - may I ask if these could be potted in large pots?
I'm not sure, but I know they tend to spread and send out runners so you might be able to contain them well in a large pot.
Thank you Scott. I just saw some for sale near me and thought I would try them out 🙌
Scott --not to be a alarmest --but you shoud never store your jars with the rings on -- this could provide a false seal--you can fact check with the UASD on line (complete guide to home canning)--just saying-- unless the jar is open and stored in the fridge
Thanks! Appreciate the advice. :-)
Looks great !! I have several questions. Your raised bed container, is it a brand or like a water trough? Does it have a bottom? 2nd that kinda blackberry if you eat it raw, is it still sweet? I remember going blackberry hunting as a kid , back then we walked the ditchlines fought snakes and ticks lol. Around here though, as much as I love blackberries, they are seriously aggressive and will take over so I need a sure fire way to contain them. As always thanks so much.
The trough has a bottom, that's why I drilled holes. They are very sweet when eaten fresh, and a little tart but not as tart as the native dewberries which we too picked as kids among the thorns and snakes. Those are still my favorite berry of all time and I wish I could find some good places to harvest them.
@@ScottHead oh me too. I see them growing in the ditches still but the state has sprayed so many chemicals along the roads, I'd be scared to eat them wild nowadays. We have those memories though. Thank you so much
If planting in raised beds like that how far apart would you space the blackberry plants?
I originally started with three plants evenly spaced. Only the middle one survived but three is what I would do.
@@ScottHead ok thank yu
I was wondering why you would tie them up if you'll just trim the dead canes at the end of the season
So I can walk around the area without getting whipped. Just need the tidiness, the canes will get very long.
@@ScottHead ok thank you so much!!!!
My problem with thornless is the deer eat them to the ground 😢
So glad there's no deer where I live
Yeah you need to fence them in to protect them from the deer.
What about watering? Do blackberries thrive on lots of water or do they prefer to get a little dry between watering? (I live in a hot and arid climate). What about hours of full sun? Can they take the hot afternoon sun or prefer some afternoon shade?
I usually did not bother watering these because they have a deep hugelkultur bed that should be retaining moisture a bit. They did suffer a little through the summer drought but survived. They are in a place where they get the most sun, from about 8:30AM until sundown during the summers.
@@ScottHeadthank you. I do have several thorned blackberries in the pecan orchard (that I have had for 40 or so years that I have moved a couple times) that has never done well. They get watered with the trees. They produce in May and maybe into June. Can harvest a couple times before it gets too hot here. You video pricked an interest to try thornless like you did.
So I see you are not planting it in Gumbo dirt after all
I got triple crown thornless blackberries recently. They dried out, the leaves wilted, and turned yellow. Why?
No clue, could be weather, water, poor soil. Mine are dead because of our extreme freezes lately.
Will they be sweet in this Gumbo dirt
Yes. They will be excellent.
would it be ok to grow rasberries along side the blackberries?
I don't see any issues.
NO...keep raspberries and blackerries at least 75 to 100 feet away...just learned this as i have both and had to decide where to plant...cannot plant them together.
I want to do the same thing, same variety. What's your thoughts on cold-hardiness in a raised bed? In Arkansas we can get into the teens during winter and I'm wondering if they could survive in a raised bed. Thoughts?
Mine were zapped by high heat and drought and two winters of epic low freezes so I will have to start over and this time in the ground.
Well mine got frozen dead this last winter so that stinks. So far I see no new growth from the soil.
If you plant it straight into the ground it will be fine. Raised bed doesn't seem to protect the plant through the winter. At least not here in Michigan! Lol.
Will they grow in sun and afternoon sun?
Not sure. I have only given them full sun.
@@ScottHead thank you.
Hello, do you have trouble with pest eating your black berries?
Not yet, probably in the future.
If you tip can you not trim it diagonally and propagate a new plant?
There are a number of ways to propagate new plants, and you could use the cuttings from pruning to do so. You can also air layer, or bury a part of a growing cane in soil and let it root. I've got new growth coming up all over, and have another bed full of blackberries on the side of my house so I've got plenty.
@@ScottHead thank you so much! None of mine are really close to the ground to do that yet
I used your question in my latest Q&A, thanks for asking good questions!
@@ScottHead you're most welcome!!!! Another question I have is how to keep fire ants out of the garden. I get them in my containers and raised beds and I don't want to use chemicals to kill them this contaminating the vegetables etc. Here we get them EVERYWHERE!!!!
we actually just did a video on planting more PrimeArk Freedom. Great minds think alike!