Blackberry Cuttings Fail and What I Do Instead
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2023
- Blackberry Cuttings using primocanes and floricanes - fail and what I do instead. With cuttings you have to mist often and worry about moisture levels. Tip and Serpentine layering is simple and less work. This video shows the cuttings process and then easier tip layering and serpentine layering.
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I really like videos that show fails as well as successes. Thanks for the time and effort to help us.
I like those too. Thanks for commenting and for watching!
Hi there . I have experimented with propagating from cuttings, a few things I do are I use potting soil, a 6-8 inch piece of the primocane (the main thing is you want 3 nodes in dirt and 3 above) remove all the leaves except the 2 at the top or all of them. The stem should be as thick as a pencil. Dip the rooting end in a chunk of aloe vera plant so its coated. It acts as a rooting hormone and keep out of direct sunlight and constantly moist. A bigger container wiuld help with that. Late summer/ early fall is the perfect time for this method. Good luck in your adventures!
I like this idea using aloe vera - I did not want to use a rooting hormone so if the aloe helps I’ll give it a try! Thanks for the idea!
@@TheTexasGardener you can also use Honey
@@TheTexasGardenerwillow tea is the best rooting hormone. Soak a bunch of willow cuttings in water for a week. Toss or plant. The stick you blkberries in willow's tea.
@@crabtrap Interesting - thanks for the idea!
I rooted mine from fall to spring. I followed advice from another. I simply took the tip of my cane, removed the leaves about six inches up, then buried that tip into a pot of soil, watered well. I only watered the day I did them knowing winter here in the north would water them. I did seven pots, every single pot had very nice roots. I just planted all of them this past week.
Nice!
I just took "hardwood" cuttings in late winter...about 50 of them and stuck them in a couple of trade gallon pots....and now April...I have dozens of blackberry plants.
I do a lot of different techniques at different times but found some of the thornles like black satin root great in plain water with no or little leaves abot 8 inch cuttings.
I have not tried water only yet - I will experiment with that!
When you emptied out the soil it looked very dry ,and I suspect there was not enough moisture...Ashley.
Possibly - thanks for sharing!
I like the tip method best thanks for the education.
Thanks for watching!
Cuttings with leaves must at least be tightly covered with a plastic bag and put where no direct sun can hit it. The professional way is in a mist propagation chamber (like a cold frame set-up) with a misting nozzle set on a timer to come on briefly (like 2 minutes) at least once per hour during daylight hours. This can be kept in a location with brighter light.
Wonderful very helpful tyvm
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Tip rooting is by far the best way to get a new blackberry plant. You can tell if it is rooted by looking at the cane to see if it has started branching out. Though using a container you can see through works as well.
As for growing cuttings (this is for all cutting not just blackberries) you picked the worst possible way. Throwing compost in with something that has no roots does absolutely zero to help in rooting. Any nutrients in the soil can’t be up-taken because it has NO roots and is detrimental. You are putting an open wound in a substrate that has bacteria and fungus in it. Your substrate for any cutting should be inert. My favorite is using playground sand. My success rate jumped for all cuttings. I use to do the 100% water method for most things and the success rate was right around 50%. Using sand my success rate is around 90%. Plus it’s easy to check to see if it has roots without damaging them by gently pouring it out unlike some other substrates that you can use. I suggest using a cup that you can flex without breaking because normally you will need to massage the sides just a little bit to get the flow going.
Something you could do to help with the rooting is use a container and make a small temporary greenhouse. You don’t want it in direct sun because the temperature will get too hot. What this does is help with humidity and soil moisture. That is how I propagate blueberries. It honestly cuts out a ton of work.
In the end though, I don’t know why you would want to root from a cutting, the tip method works every time and is very easy to do, plus it accomplishes cutting the tip off which should be done anyways to get bigger harvests next year.
When propagating from cuttings get rid of all leaves. Cut the cuttings about 6 to 7 inches long and put it inside the perilite (or perilite and sand mix). Keep it moist, and away from direct sunlight.
Additionally you could soak the business end (the one that goes into the ground) with a willow water , or honey, or cinnamon to prevent it from rotting.
Good luck with your projects !
Several have now said to use cinnamon - I’m going to try that. Thanks and thanks for commenting!
@@TheTexasGardenertry willow water, its what they make rooting hormone from (and asperin too!)
This is my first go at blackberries, so I cant say if it will work or not? But it has worked on everything from oleanders to rose bushes to mulberry trees. But I just use spit and cinnamon and up to this point have had a pretty high rate of success getting them to root. From what I have gathered spit is just an old wives tale but cinnamon is a rooting hormone.Either way the spit helps the cinnamon stick to the cutting. But I just kinda suck on the end to get it wet (not oleander cuz i dont want to die, i just dipped it in water) I cant say if it works better or worse than a rooting hormone product but can and will say it definitely works. Also you might want to try covering the cuttings with a plastic bag or some kind of plastic bowl or lid to keep humidity trapped inside the cuttings environment. And last, you might want to try putting them in a jar with about 11/2" -2" of water. Then i put a plastic bag over the jar and secure it with a rubber band and set it in the window sill until it warms up outside. Nothing but regular water. You should change the water about every 3-4 days and in just a couple of weeks you will have a nice ball of roots on the end. Like I said I havent tried blackberries yet so I cant guarantee it will work? but It has worked on everything else I have tried except for vine rose bushes? Regular roses yes, but for some reason everything I have tried with the vine rose bush has failed? And also 1 of 2 things will happen, either they will put all there energy into making roots, but if they fail they will put all their energy into growing new leaves instead of roots. I hope this helps and works? Im excited to try blackberries, Im going to do both, some in potting soil and some in a jar of water.
So a few things are problematic with your technique. First and foremost you are way too late in the year to try to root cuttings. You have to take the cuttings early in the spring just after the plant starts growing and is still somewhat tender. Use only primocane cuttings. Floricane energy is focused on producing berries not new canes. Some people say it’s doesn’t make a difference but clearly the genetic info changes as primocanes are 5 leaf, floricanes are 3 leaf so something happens as it over winters. Use Cuttings no bigger than pencil diameter. You have to keep the cuttings out of the heat and direct sunlight. A warm (not hot) shady spot with indirect sunlight is good.
Try this next time, use a large ziplock (gallon or 2.5 gallon) filled about 3/4 full of damp (not wet or it will cause mold) peat moss. Potting soil can hold too much water. Put your cuttings in the peat and close the top. Sit them in a shady spot. After a week or two you should see growth started. Good luck
Those aren't root cuttings.
@@markstuber4731 You should read more carefully. I didnt say they were “root cuttings”. I said it was too late to try and root cuttings. That means trying to get cuttings to root.
I will give that a try! Thanks!
@@TheTexasGardener The comment from Jeff is spot on. The most important thing from my experience is creating a moisture dome, using a ziplock bag in Jeff's example. I use plastic seetru covers from cakes, large bottles, etc. I use peat moss, vermiculite and soil mix.
It's blackberries, just put the tip into soil and pin it down. Wait a month and cut the stem off the original plant. New plant 💜 works with figs as well. Happy growing 💜
Yes! That is what I do and what I recommend! Thanks for watching!
That definitely works! Do you know if it would work for blueberries? Thanks
@@sherrieblake8674 Yes ma'am it does.
@@JCC_1975 thanks! Its worked for me with blackberries, but I hadn’t tried it on blueberries. Cuttings never seem to do well for me.
@@sherrieblake8674 wishing you great success 💜
I cover the clipping with a (blue or green) plastic bottle that traps moisture inside & stops the stems from drying up. Also had some great success using blue recycling bags. They have to be in the sun, but not too hot, so the bottles/bags sweat. Seal the bag with a twist so air don't get in & dry the cuttings
In the market for blue storage containers. They act like a mini greenhouse.
I am going to try this! Thanks!
What is a blue recycling bag? What do you mean blue recycling containers? I’m obviously ignorant here, my apologies. The only blue recycling container I know is a huge trash bin on wheels
6:49 Why was the blackberry container dated 10/30/2021 and this video was uploaded two years later on 4/2/2023?
I think you mean blackberry. Anyway, that part of the video is showing my tip layering process and that video was originally posted 2 years ago! Thanks for watching!
Since they can absorb water through the stem that is stuck underground, and loose water through any surface above ground, I stick everything in the ground except for the very top with usually just 1 bud and remove most or all leaves (so about 80% of stem below ground). Also summer heat is not usefull for most, so I generally had more success with fall cuttings.
Think my successfull blackberry cuttings were also taken in fall.
Interesting technique to place them so far in the soil. I may try that!
I use plastic bags from the grocery store. i try to use all clear ones from like the meat or produce aisles. But havent had any problems with white bags when thats all I had?
I may try again and will look at using something like plastic wrap or other materials to hold in moisture. Thanks for commenting and for watching! Let me know how your blackberry cuttings do!
I did the same as you but I watered it well twice a day. I’m getting ready to put them in the ground in a month.
Nice! Glad it worked well for you! I may try again but I’ve gotten used to tip layering and it works well for me! Thanks for watching!
@@TheTexasGardener Whatever makes it grow!😉❤️
When you serpentine layer do you strip off any of the skin that will in the part buried or remove any leaves and bury that portion? or just randomly bury a spot anywhere along the cane
With the trailing varieties I put the part where the leaf comes stem connects to the vine under the soil. Otherwise, scratching the skin seems to also help rooting. Thanks for watching.
@@TheTexasGardener Thanks will let you know how it works
Try putting a zip lock bag misted with water with a spray bottle I like to use a rubber band for extra humidity control mist plants and bag 2 times a day DO NOT OVER WATER SOIL SUBSTRATE VERY IMPORTANT..😅😅😅
@@edbrown9725😊
The end of the cutting will scab over and not allow water to be drawn up into the stem. You could try cutting off the bottom 1/4" immediately before planting.
I will look into this. Thanks for watching!
How much water do you give your beginning rooted blackberries?
Not very at all since they are still connected to the parent plant and receive support that way. After I separate the tip layer blackberry plants I will water them a little more often than the in ground plants since they are in a small container. Are you growing a lot of blackberries? Thanks for watching!
If I start in March does that work too . The stems are still bare with no leaves
Usually you take them in fall. I prefer to do root cuttings or tip layering instead. I find those work better for me. I have some videos on this channel for both root cutting and tip layering. Thanks for watching and good luck!
Have you tried rooting them in willow bark tea?
I have not - tell me more
I keep my clippings in a cup of water for a couple weeks that seems to do the trick
I might give that a try! Thanks for watching!
On fig cuttings I use a mixture of cinnamon and honey instead of rooting hormone. I currently have four in containers and all four took root.
Interesting - I’m will try that! Thanks for watching!
@@TheTexasGardener Yeah give it a try. Don't water it down. Just pure thick honey and cinnamon mixed together. I use what is labeled True Cinnamon from Swanson Health Products. Just open a capsule and mix it with pure honey.
With fig cuttings I use the tall eleven inch plant containers and about foot long cuttings. Seems to give better success than with shorter cuttings.
Have not tried much. Layering them is easy. That said I've done cuttings in water that succeeded and in soil that failed.
I haven't tried cuttings in water yet - what plants work in water best for you? Thanks for watching!
Its not getting moisture from a host plant. Needs to be watered.
It has no roots watering it will do nothing
I have tried both a lot of moisture/misting and not a lot. Still haven’t had success with these cuttings. I may still experiment with some more options but tip layering works really well for me and that’s my go to propagation technique! Are you growing any blackberries? How are they doing? Thanks for watching!
WAY too dry.
I’ve tried both with a lot of moisture/misting and not a lot. I may try some other options but tip layering is my go to propagation method! Thanks for watching!
Maybe your soil is good fertile ... have you ever tried rooting in play sand ?
I’ve never tried rooting blackberry cuttings in sand. I may try that - thanks for watching!
Maybe the reason they have failed it's the leafs that you left on ,you should cut all the leaf's to make the roots to grow.
I have tried various options and may try again with no leaves just as an experiment. Tip layering works really well for me. Thanks for watching!