Johnny Depp-Amber Heard Phone Call Analysis (2nd Leaked Audio)
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2020
- The video answers the question: Can I analyze the second leaked audio recording (phone call) between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard?
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Amber Heard thought she would get away with it even knowing she was being recorded.
@Anarcho Frills he said Depp was abusive too but then attributed to Depp words that Amber actually said. Amber was the one who said she was never able to knock him off his feet or overpower him. Have you listened to the actual recordings? If you did, it would be very clear to you who the aggressor is and who the victim is.
@@missmgmnt I caught that, too., about her saying that she could never knock him off his feet. She's pretty whacked When these accusations of him being abusive first came out, I assumed he was guilty because he's male. After hearing recordings, I think she is the abuser.
@Jazz Heart actually that's not accurate. Women abuse more often, physically and psychologically. Female abuse is strongly under-reported because men are assumed to be the aggressors and so would usually be the person arrested.
@Jazz Heart not everything will be white and black..there's grey area. Fact can change depending on time. E.g it was believed by many to the point it become a fact years ago that fat is the main culprit of cardiovascular disease. But ya know what? After countless research in the recent years, fat is not the main culprit, it also due to sugar.
Conclusion? A fact is not the absolute truth. It changes
Anarcho Frills NO WAY is he abusive in these tapes. Are you kidding?! She has an arrest history for DV. He has a history of loving relationships. All his exes speak well of him. She’s a SCAMber. 100%.
having been in arguments like this, depp can't win. run.
So he's the narcissist here!
Jen Kim What? I think you mistook his comment. I think he meant that no matter what he says or does he’s not going to get through to her so there’s no point trying. I agree, run!
He won
She reminds me of my ex husband. Her whole demeanor screams covert malignant narcissist. The SOB I was married to tried his best to destroy me, and yes, he drugged me too behind my back, way more than once. He didn't succeed in his endeavor to destroy me, obviously, just made me a lot stronger and wiser. I'm happy now, and unless my ex wises up, he never will be.
Vanessa Whitehead omg, he drugged you , glad you are doing good & strong. I survived an abusive relationship, how did he drug you? ( if you don’t mind)
@@paula1910 I was in a car accident, and he took advantage of my pain to grind up pills and put them in my food. My daughter caught him at it. She wanted to cook for me (nothing broken in the wreck, but I sprained and wrenched several body parts and wasn't able to walk or stand for long) but he insisted on cooking for me. She got suspicious and started spying on him, that's when she caught him. Later on, after I kicked him out, I found out that he was taking intimate pictures of me while I was drugged, and he was raping me. He tried to shame me by sending the photos to my friends and family. I found out and promptly put out restraining orders, put my state's cybercrime unit on it, so if they ever surfaced on a public forum he would face federal time. He tried so hard to shame me with revenge porn, but then the idiot was sending me videos of him and his new girlfriend doing the nasty, and I know by the angles that she didn't know. I'm so happy that I escaped that evil man. My kids are amazing, they come before anyone else, he knew it and hated it because he wasn't first. After all this is when I started seeing stuff about covert narcs and socios and started educating myself.
@@paula1910 hope you get healed from your wounds
It brings flash backs, my husband was the same. It Pisses, me off her playing a victim. I know how Johnny feels.
Vanessa Whitehead Well, first of all, I’m shocked and enraged at what that man did to you. His behaviour is absolutely disgusting and evil. That’s prison worthy. Why didn’t you take him to court? Why let a dangerous person like that go around the streets?
Dr. Grande fails to consider their past behavior. Best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. All of Johnny’s exes are very supportive and stated he is not remotely abusive. Amber arrested for abuse. Seems pretty clear who is the common denominator here.
Maybe he's unaware. Not everyone fangirls over movie stars. I think their overpaid court jesters myself.
It appears that Dr. Grande has a life.
I’m not a fan girl. I became interested in the case when these audios came out. A few hours of research is all I’ve put into it. I’m passionate about it having been married to the male version of Amber. It’s wrong what she has been allowed to do to his reputation.
Cat in the hat what about her? She still claims he was the only person she trusted.
@@catz8XinTheHat What about Kate Moss? Amber made tha claim in court That Johnny pushed Kate down the stairs. Kate herself has never, ever corroborated such a claim
Arrested for abuse but released the next morning - there was nothing to it.
What bothers me is how she portrayed their situation to the media. While Depp tries to be honest and say that both of them were to blame, she painted this picture that he would start the phisical violence unprovoked and how she turned out to be a "survival".
She wanted to "clear" her name by throwing his in the fire and that doesn't come from love. The way she mocks him and gets dismissive when confronted just shows how lowly she cares for his feelings.
You got it wrong man. Go back and listen to the audio...it was Amber who said she never knocked Depp off his feet as a defence against abuse. And Depp replied "Then why did you try?" VERY important mix up there Doc.
Thank you for pointing that out. I trimmed that error out using the editor.
@@DrGrande Props to the doc 🙂
I don’t see him not defending himself as a sign of admission. When I first realised my mom just makes things up yes I would say- no I wasn’t yelling at you, what are you even talking about?
But now when she makes things up I’m still in awe of it, but to whom are you defending yourself to the crazy person on the other end of the phone that doesn’t live in this reality? No it’s not worth it anymore. There’s an old expression give someone enough rope...
“All I want is my integrity (and a LOT of you money, monthy until you die).
Yes, like he has been over this with her so many times before it's not even worth trying to argue and she talks over the top of him not listening anyway. He has given up by the end of the phone call and realizes there is no reasoning with an unreasonable person
I agree so much! I once had a narcissistic guy, whom after I did a project with at school, telling others everyday that I like him, bragging about it. I tried to prove myself that I didn't like him by not even look at or talk to him, just stay away as far as possible. I don't want to waste my energy and time arguing. I needa study. You thought I isolated him in anyway possible is effective in proving and stopping? WRONG. He went on bragging for nearly a YEAR until the summer break. I mean they are so self centered that wont see the fact they dont want to see. When it harms their EGO, they shut the windows down.
I am still traumatized today and feel a bit scared when I had to do a project with a guy.
100% I’ve dealt with something similar also . I just was exhausted trying to defend myself so I would just let them roll and be like “ok. Ok. Ok. Uh huh. Ok. Yea....alright.”
@Anarcho Frills I actually did comfronted him once. I asked him why were you talking about me, he said he was talking about someone else (there was a girl with similar name from the other class). I knew it's not true and ended that conversation. He did stop saying about me for a day, but the next day continued just the same as before. I didn't want to quarrel every day to stop him saying things about me, mostly negative/I like him, gossipping at my back.
Upon google searching terms of passive aggressive and relational aggression, actually I think he is the aggresser?! He didn't talk to me directly so I can't actively 'ignore' him. If he did talk to me directly as a friendly conversation, I will be polite and friendly as I am with anybody else.
@@cdorothy444 I think everyone should take anything Anarcho Frills types with a grain of salt. This person seems to try leading those they communicate with in a direction that might be intended as subtle antagonism, trying to make one believe they're the problem. I've only seen a couple posts, but each one is subtly condescending, which might not be intended, but I would get another opinion before going with theirs.
There's a point in the recording where she says something like " I' can't promise i wont get physical again, sometimes i just get angry" That's case closed imo. She seem's to have borderline like mood swings or something.
Any "abuse" from him would be reactionary. Sounds like he gave the relationship his all and actually believed she could change.
He most certainly should have gotten out of the relationship much sooner, but the love high created by the BPD abuser leaves the victim in a dense fog of confusion that distorts reality.
200 subs with no video challenge I concur.
@Raw Engineer You wrote a speech man lol. NPD don't usually ever commit suicide, but BPD definitely can , and will attempt it just to avoid abandonment. Both are terrified of abandonment, but for different reasons. NPD'd people just want the supply, and to never lose it, but BPD have a deep seated fear of being worthless to everyone, and they really do feel that. Where as NPD has their false self to protect them from that. (which i know is only a mask, but still it's there). With NPD it's all crocodile tears, with BPD it isn't always that way. ANYWAY. Cluster B disorders CAN definitely be co morbid. Like 200 subs said, i too get a BPD vibe from these recordings. NPD'd don't usually resort to repeating physical violence. It's way too easy to get caught that way, and lose supply. Which is the last thing a narc wants. BPD on the other hand can not control this behavior, but it doesn't matter because she could definitely have strong traits in both cluster b disorders. This recording is a small snippet of an entire marriage. So who's to say she hasn't brought up everything he's ever done wrong. I'm almost 100% positive she did that to him at some point, and repeatedly. but again. NPD, and BPD both do that. (for different reasons)
@Raw Engineer Not true for the most part. When a person with NPD "commits suicide" it's usually because of their co morbid ASPD traits causing them to fear risk taking, and usually related to drug addiction. or other risky behaviors. NPD make those around them commit suicide, and they never feel they did anything wrong, or to cause it. Even during a narcissistic injury like you said they go through after losing supply they may drink themselves to death, but again that's an ASPD behavior more so. My point is, again, these disorders are not set in stone like that. They all exist on the same spectrum. ( i know you've heard that one before). And yes BPD do fake it, but it's hard to fake cutting yourself, and beating yourself up to cause bodily harm. , or drinking a mild poison to get someone back in your life. There's nothing fake about that. And you bring up narcissistic rage, like someone with BPD doesn't rage? I mean i know you know that they do obviously, and very prolifically rage. Again, all on the same spectrum. Not set in stone. None of us can diagnose her based off of a few audio clips.
Hahaha, um, no. She's just a classic abusive gold digger who is wearing Johnny down, trying to physically and emotionally abuse him and hoping he will fight back physically, then she can run to the courts, cry abuse, and steal his fortune. This is exactly what's going on here. Don't give her the excuse of Borderline, Bipolar, etc. etc. No. Amber's plan all along was to rope Johnny in, stay married for a year, then cash in on the divorce jackpot from his multi-million fortune, oh, and to get famous by marrying him. Amber is a lesbian - she was married previously to a woman, and shes now with a woman again. She only gets with men when she can get money or movie parts out of it. She is also clearly a sociopath who will destroy an innocent person for her own gain.
There is clearly an emotional break for Johnny as a result of this conversation. That's why he "wasted time" talking things over with her. He goes from confessing his love for her in so many ways to, at the end of the call, exhibiting a change in tone and the cadence of his speech and saying she never existed. To me, this very clearly says that she proved to him in this phone call that she's a lost cause.
Seri Smith po
Exactly
Yeah, I agree
Who taped it though.....? Did Depp
@@DianeLStyma considering the phone call you can hear him getting from Amber in the recording, I would say it's safe to assume Johnny recorded it.
12:49
Put yourself into the shoes of someone who is on the phone, not someone who is reacting to the audio. The person who's trying to create peace, he might have suspected these things 25 minutes ago, but he's in love with the woman and wants to hear her out. I know this basically because I went through the same last year. It's unbelievably hard to accept the person you fell in love with is guilty of not being that actual person. There's a sense of denial on his part you have to understand. Love is blind and clouds judgment.
I feel you lance
@@redremi83 Thank you. Hoping you aren't alone :)
He just let her talk because he knows her and once he tries to assert himself, she gets hysterical and more accusatory. At the end, it sounded like he was just through.
BTW - another of his ex‘es came to his defence now, Sherilyn Fenn. And her words are direct.
Why are people still give disclaimers when the case IS obvious?
Is it only because Amber is a woman?
If a female would bring up all this evidence the world would cry hallelujah.
What does the world need as evidence when hearing the abuse commited out of the abusers very own mouth isn‘t enough?
She sounds like my ex when I called him to therapy with all the gaslighting and projecting so I can say out of first hand experience that I know what I‘m talking about.
Amber raised her voice in the recordings. That is something victims don‘t. Victims prevent confrontations like this with their abuser because one does not want to trigger a reaction.
ou are right in most of what you say but it's not true that victims don't yell or fight back. It depends per person and how long the abuse went on. Everyone can snap after years or decades
Nóra Zsuzsa Gácsi Thank you, because I did fight back and he broke me and now I am just damaged goods. It is not true victims prevent confrontations (I prefer survivors), smtimes you just can’t take it anymore. Even if you end up in hospital for it, like I did.
@@edieminturn7484 I am sorry you had to go through that :( you're right, the term survivor is better. I hope you are in a better place now
In my case it was 14 years. And I was scared to raise my voice against him for obvious reasons. In my case were kids involved, this was one of the reasons I stayed silent.
Sandra H. Oh dear....that is a very different situation indeed... you had to protect your kids, of course you could not fight back!
You did what was safest for them, you did well. ❤️
I hope I would have done the same you did had there been kids involved- no child should have to defend their Mom or watch their Father physically hurt her or them. I was alone, desperate...looking back I have no idea how I survived in that situation for so long.
I was completely brainwashed by the end of it...and as much as I ache to have kids, I am grateful none were involved in that situation...
She planned this way before they got married, he planned for him to marry her.. this was her end goal the whole time. She's plain evil.
She had accidentally hung up the phone when he said “whether your love was real or not”. She never heard that statement therefore it couldn’t have escalated the animosity
It's also telling that the only time in the phonecall where he was able to express himself properly and say more than 1-2 sentences was when she'd hung up on him.
he pushed her off of him when she attacked that seems human and understandable and when she got physical and could leave he left instead of getting into an argument
You should also know that this is AFTER Amber went to the media. She was fully committed to whatever she was doing. She KNOWS she is likely being recorded. She's got lawyers to tell her what to say and do. The recording BEFORE this, that was actually her. This recording was her fully committed to her lie. Johnny was just in disbelief, thus did not outright deny everything. See his reaction as "Oh my god..." which is where you can tell he has given up reasoning with this person.
But we really dont know what was going on behind the scenes. I have friends who are going through a divorce. It crazy hearing both sides of their stories. Explains why third parties should remain neutral unless there is imminent danger. I think Amber is well able to look after herself.
sadly we live in a society where a man can't even physically defend himself because if he so ever swats her finger, that's already abuse
@@twiggy1415 Her side, doesn't have concrete evidence, his does. When there's evidence its no longer a he said she said .Johnny is not a known abuser. Amber is. She lied about the bruise because the next day she no longer had it and was all smiles.Bruises don't heal that fast. Make up cannot cover a swollen skin. How would people believe her then? because if he really did beat her up, then she wouldn't have lied about it. She defecated on his bed , I mean who does that? She taped him while having a meltdown because who won't after losing a mother and getting scammed at the same time instead of trying to be wife. In the recordings she clearly is gaslighting him thinking he would say something incriminating and was so confident people would just believe her. So now, how would people believe her side of the story? Victims do not lie because they have real evidence to back it up.
@@valarmorghulis5575 sorry you have lost me. I dont believe any of it. Its for the two of them to sort out and get support from family and friends. I liked this video cos Dr Grande pointed out certain behaviours and how they act out. But he clearly states he is commenting on the information he has been given and is not making any diagnosis. I find that useful for handling toxic people in my own life as it helps me understand people better. I dont think anything of Depp except that hes an awesome actor! As for Amber, no interest.
I also absolutely disagree. The makeup part is basically a confession, we confirmed that later on. That call was a desperate attempt from an abuser to maintain everything secret. She's so disgusting...
These frustrating circular conversations are so typical of narcissistic personalities!
Liz L who’s the narcissist here?
lol Amber Heard
@Jazz Heart, it seems clear he was never physically abusive. Your just unwilling to admit a woman can be the abuser in a relationship. I'm sure he never learnt to placate her extreme temperament, if you want to blame him for that, go ahead.
Jazz Heart - both of Depp’s ex-wives and several ex-girlfriends came forward to say he is not at all abusive but gentle and passive. So no he hasn’t been hiding it all these years. Amber is gaslighting and baiting him and he still remains calm. She’s clearly the abuser and the issue.
Jazz Heart She obviously wanted somebody to leave out her agression, she said in the first recording they were „allowed to fight“ before they arried, he said he married her in hopes the fights would become less.
Sherilyn Fenn also came to his defence now.
Tasya has not been defending nor supporting Amber btw.
12:50 this is after she’s said that she assumed that he would spread rumors about being a stripper to the media.
It’s shows that she’s preemptively is assuming the worst of him and that was the tipping point for him.
You’re leaving a lot of context out of what Johnny is saying and cherry picking.
They can only see what they can see. It's because they are narcissistic, they think others are narcissistic too.
i think there was a point she slipped up as well in that segment, no? when she talked about the info leaked to the press that "i'd given them."
now, i listened to the audio several days ago so am not entirely sure whether she was talking as herself, i.e. _she_ was the one feeding the press, or was she "mimicking" JD, i.e. _he_ was the one feeding them (according to her). but i remember thats when JD finally raised his voice and said he'll see her in court, whilst AH tried to backtrack to no avail.
regardless whether that was self admission or accusation to JD, considering iirc all the press "exclusives" of the abuse were only from her side instead of his, i feel inclined to believe she had been the one feeding the press.
@@cdorothy444 exactly, it was a pure projection of her own project to demolish him in the open and get a lot of money from a divorce. She got 15 million of it, said it will be donated to some charity who apparently never saw that money coming.
Not only for the money though, because as we learned she "stole" the story of her assistant being raped in Brazil to tell it as her own, she was going for the feminist "I'm a victim" shtick. She thought coming out from an alleged abusive marriage, was a good PR for her carrier, even became ambassador for abused women in the UN or something.
When you put things in their historical context, it becomes so much clearer than just listening to a conversation. Because narcissistic manipulative people are experts in getting away with words, "rebranding" everything bad they did. But it all falls apart against cold facts.
Just a note. Around the 12 minute mark you said Depp said he never knocked Amber off her feet and never over powered her. This is incorrect. She was the one who said this. The conversation actually went:
Depp: Do you believe you abused me physically?
Amber: Do I physically believe... I mean, do I believe I physically abused you?
Depp: Yes.
Amber: Do you know I'm 115... well not anymore... but I was 115 pound... almost 115 pound woman and you're... I have the capacity...
Depp: That's not the question. That's not the question.
Amber: Have I ever been able to knock you off of your feet? Or off your balance?
Depp: You started... you started these things.
Amber: You're going to get up on the stand, Johnny, and say, "she started it"? Really? I have never been able to overpower you. That's the difference between me and you.
Depp: Why did you try?
Amber: And that's the difference, that a whole world, and that a jury and that a judge will see that there's a very big difference between me and you.
Thank you for pointing that out. I trimmed that error out using the editor.
Her 1st reaction: Repeating what he said - that's playing for time to think about a good answer (not a truthful answer).
Her 2nd reaction is dodging, going for the physical differences to establish that it is up to impossible for her to harm him since she's smaller and weaker and thus violence by her towards him is moot (a beloved excuse of abusive women; even feminists - suddenly sexual differences between men and women count again, when they can capitalize on it, hide behind it; the movement in general acts like that, a magnet for an abusive mindset, an abusive fraudulent movement).
Her 3rd reaction is reframing the question: From "Did" to "am I able/capable?" - to which I might add that everyone is capable to harming and abusing another - just because you're likely to loose an open and honest fight doesn't mean you can't harm someone else. These fights and abuses in relationships are seldom fair in any way.
She still does not answer, but adds to the argument that she's surely physically incapable "to overpower" him. That is irrelevant to the question of physical abuse. You don't need to overpower someone to physically abuse them.
Her 4th reaction is to double down and solidify her strawman-argument she built up without ever having answered the question. Meaning that "noone would believe she could overpower him" when that was never the question.
Finally she hopes to play on this very notion of being the weak incapable damsel that could never harm a fly due to the physical difference between them, and the law would buy the pity begging.
She never answered the question.
She's a liar. Manipulative. By the book.
@@DrGrande I love you
@@deedlessdeity218 Let's use the medical term as stated in the DSMV. Batshit Crazy Disorder! Or BCD for short.
It just got me at 'why did you try' 😂
Johnny is silent through a lot of this because he is in shock, and he even asks her at one point if she believes what she is saying. She's already admitted to being the one who "loses it" and instigates physical violence (borderline/abandonment issues?). She mocks him for thinking that anyone would believe that a woman beat him up (even though she admits her violent nature in previous recordings). She told him to grow up and stop being such a baby when he mentioned how she hit him. Towards the end you can really hear in his voice the moment it all shifts and he realizes what he's actually dealing with and what she's threatening, and he says something along the lines of "I loved you but you were never there", that whatever love he thought he had for her was all in his own mind (paraphrasing). She is a cipher, and this is the moment where Johnny realizes it.
I got the same impression.
It’s very sad, especially since he’s such a humble, caring person. He deserves better.
It's the point where he realizes that the person he thought he loved never actually existed. Like falling in love with a hologram.
His defense came when he says to her ' Do you really believe this, Amber?' He was so hurt and so over it all he had given up with her.
Watch Incredibly Average UA-cam channel as he has texts between Johnny and Ambers parents that show he didn't abuse him and he shows a lot of evidence to show Ambers lies.
Yes, I just heard this second leaked recording on that channel, and they provided useful background info e.g. the next day after she claimed she was hurt in the face and had black eye, she was on a show with no sign of swelling or color whatsoever.
@@cdorothy444 That's the scariest part for me. She recalls facts vividly, the evidences that she led to court and the stories about the allegedly abuse she suffered from him are made by her very credible. But when you go to verify, a lot of the facts came out to be evidently untrue. The TV show story is the most incredible. The night before she was bitten so badly to have "two black eyes, an almost broken nose and a split lip" and the night after she is smiling and laughing on TV?! Good make up can create/delete a bruise, but cannot cover a swollen face and wounds. The worst is that she really believe what she is telling! I think that Johnny Depp, in this second conversation, did understand for the first time how capable she is of changing reality, beyond lying. To me he sound astonishing, disappointed and probably a little scared by her behaviour.
Second this. There is evidence of Heard applying makeup to herself and then being magically fresh-faced and bruise-free the following day.
I have really deep acne scars from when I was a teenager, and I appreciate most men would likely not know this, but to cover discolouration of that magnitude (bruises, scarring, even deep redness like I have due to the acne), you need pretty heavy makeup. As in “caked on.”
There is no way in Hell you’re covering even a mild acne scar with a sheer foundation, let alone a fucking bruise. Amber Heard is a liar.
@Anarcho Frills Yup I did a pretty dang good job at hiding the busted nose and 2 black eyes my ex gave me with make up, the thing in my case is my close friends saw my bruises when I wasn't wearing it indoors. In Ambers case I think the real proof of her having no bruises/split lip etc was her I think make up artist making a legal statement saying she had none on the day after at the TV show recording.
Yes! Incredibly Average has done a phenomenal job covering the case and the information coming out. I think Dr. Grande may have a very different analysis if he were to hear more audio and watch Incredibly Average’s videos detailing Amber’s apparent manipulation, abuse, personality, selfishness, and emotional instability. And on a side note, after months of an unhealthy unstable relationship, ever changing allegations, litigation and after most likely finding out about Amber appearing to have multiple affairs while married to Depp while he was out of town with James Franco and Elon Musk, I think it is completely fair for a hurt and beaten down Depp to insinuate that her love may not have been real and true. No it is not a deescalation tactic but human being are flawed and when we’re hurt sometimes we say it even if it may not be the most effective technical decision at the time. However, I think his comment was pretty effective in reminding Amber what she is doing to someone who did appear to truly love her.
I just saw your analysis here and i think it's fair, that is based on the information that you were given. It's not your fault you didn't have enough context about the whole situation. Now it's being proven that Amber was the aggressor, was officially diagnosed with BPD and Narcissism and was building a dossier to bring down Depp. I would love to see an updated version of your analysis.
I have to disagree. I feel like this audio makes Depp much more sympathetic. Depp’s quiet and calm demeanor seems to me to be the result of Amber’s constant crazy-making tactics. She is all over the place and he’s behaving like a lion tamer until he can escape the cage.
I agree with you. And like your lion tamer analogy. Great way to put it!
Jonny Depp has always been a kind, quiet kind of guy. Amber didn't make him that way, but she certainly made him withdraw into himself (Introvert) more and more. She's evil.
I'm c writing this during the 2022 defamation lawsuit here in the US. She's trying to convince the jury that she's the victim not Jonny. Her lawyers are inept, one guy objecting to his own question! She's panicking now.
It's called "reactive abuse" or "baiting and bashing". The victim ( johnny in this case ) always ends up having their emotional hot buttons pushed(to get the reaction the abuser craves ) and then the victims do and say things they regret and act out of character. This then makes them feel guilty and take some responsibility, not knowing that the " fights " are often fake and manufactured to create space and to storm out the door and go cheat etc . Often preplanned , not the emotional outburst it appears and is thought to be. . In this case she would sometimes get johnny to leave and stay somewhere and pretend she didn't want that. You can also get narcissist fleas ( see inner integration narcissist fleas ) after the relationshit is over. Takes time and awareness for the fleas to go away . And again , it appears that Johnny's exes said no abuse and none of this nonsense occurred in his previous relationships. . She couldn't control him is one problem here.
Yes I think I have had this done to me; it’s a form of crazymaking. Where you make comments that intentionally upset the other person to cause conflict. Sometimes it’s just to get the victim to leave, or to entertain the person starting the drama bc they need a conflict. I haven’t heard that much about baiting but just starting too; the last part of your comment I’ve never heard of narcissistic fleas. I need to look into baiting more bc I am just now learning about it. I think this happened a lot to me when I grew up as well. Some of it has to do with not expecting criticism or having obvious vulnerabilities.
@@blueorangeblossom yes. I grew up with a narcissist mother then had two marriages to a narcissist then a narcissist sociopath. They then teamed up and filed false affidavits of abuse and of abuse of my kids. This started the learning for me. I shudder at all the fights I got sucked into . They are feeding on your emotions in the fight and get duping delight too when you react. It's a sick game. Look up narcissist fleas on UA-cam and also the book or download of " healing from hidden abuse " Shannon Thomas is a wonderful resource.
bingo, then when she done cheating she wants johny to chase her for supply
@@joanbaczek2575 exactly. Cunning little demons
"...after the relationshit is over"?
Is that what they call a Freudian slip?
I think Dr Grande is not getting the whole picture here at all. Lots of knowledge shared in the comments 🌸. I think Life Abuse Free has a close up analysis on this worth listening to if the issue or this particular case interests you.
I agreed with you about the first one, but not this time. She flat out says that "no one will believe that i abused you, not a jury or a judge" daring him to even try to show that she was the aggressor. Also, theres hours of CCTV footage proving this. Which i'm sure will "leak out" soon enough.
@Jazz Heart yes i understand but he seems to have glossed over the fact i was talking about. where she flat out dares him to say shes the abuser
I hope it all goes viral and gets all the way to Hollyweird community where they can ex-communicate her along with this superiority ideology they keep pushing.
Thanks for making these! Very disturbed by what Johnny is going through.
there's a loooooot of gaslighting in these recordings
This will be the court case of 2020. Personally I hope he wins his $50M defamation suit.
Well, this didn't age well.
@@Dioleate He lost the libel case... not the defamation case which is in 2021.
my abuser always seemed like the calm one. why? cuz he took his catharsis out on me, then when athority shows up hes tired and calm
I’ve never clicked so fast, grateful for the follow up!
Dr. It was amber that said i was never able to knock you off your feet and not Johnny.
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@4:25 - the point I think need to be remembered here is that johnny could believe amber's only goal at this point was indeed to use him. it's like when he called her a liar before. he wasn't trying to de-escalate, he was being frank about realizations he has had about her that massively rocked his world. edit: video over now. yeah, he was just frank 100% of the time. she of course, never could be. at this point, she had put false allegations of abuse into the media, and he was essentially begging her to stop and be honest. poor dude. at no point did this call make it sound like johnny was ever aggressive, he was just done taking her seriously.
Dr. Grande given all that has been know about the johnny vs amber case , could you do a new video? Would be awesome 🙂
Me again!!😊 YES!! Please do an update video 👍
I don't think Depp said "I never knocked you off of your feet." The past couple of times I have heard it I seemed like Amber said that line.
Yeah Amber was the one who said that.
missmgmnt okay good. I am glad that I wasn’t making it up. I was gunna go back to the recording to check too
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Dr. Todd Grande no worries! Thank you for everything!
Thank you for pointing it out on who said what. Unfortunately, Dr Grande seems to have left out AH gaslighting and abusive ways from recording, so IMO he's not analyzing the whole situation correctly.
You got it mixed up in 11:49 .. it was Amber who said (I never was able to knock you of your feet) not Depp. He just asked do you you think you physically abused me. And that she is or was 115 lbs and nobody will believe that she could harm him (i paraphrased the last part but thats the jest of it).
I've been in this exact situation. She would taunt me and say that I would be the person arrested should I call the police. She was diagnosed with BPD, I later discovered.
Exactly
DissonantShadow hopefully you got out and have healed. Alan Robarge and The Personal Development School are UA-cam channels that have taught me so much about why I attract or tolerate toxic people in my life...
fortunately I haven’t been with one with BPD, but my sister is that person. The level she has screwed people over is mind blowing. Can be charismatic and magnetic and switch on a dime and vindictive and manipulative 😬
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DissonantShadow I hope you have moved forward from that time in your life and you are now on a more steady and healthy emotional level
Interesting analysis. Yes, definitely painful to listen to. But did you notice a change in tone near the end of the call? He mentions the effect this is having on his children and Amber is dismissive... 3...2..1... Boom!
Thank god he didn‘t have kids with AH 🤐
Johnny Depp gets angry at the end of the conversation because she once again accused him of doing something he “DID NOT do”. She blamed him for exposing her secret that she was once employed as an exotic dancer. He said he “never told anyone that”, then got extremely angry with that accusation and then ended the conversation. Listen to the recording again.
What kind of personality disorder, if any, does a person have if they appear to enjoy fighting. I’ve only met one other person in my life who loved to argue for hours like this lady. It’s exhausting.
I think when he sounds dismissive about the "abuse thing", it's because he's calling her out in the lie.
Dr Grande, have you read through the leaked texts between Johnny and Ambers parents? Im not all the way through the video so sorry if you do indeed reference them. In these texts it is VERY telling just how manipulative everyone is towards Johnny Depp. The mother and father both even go as far as to say that they agree that she is aggressive and that they wish they could "adopt" Johnny as their son. This is AFTER Amber came out with her supposed abuse claims against him. I found this behavior very odd as what parents are going to stick up and even say they will adopt their childs abuser? Also, they both, especially the mother, try to convince Johnny to delete their texts correspondence and to not bring it up to Amber out of fear of her aggression and retaliation.....these texts are VERY telling, especially when you see the two people closest to her taking the side of her supposed "abuser"......Also, pattern of behavior is huge and amber has been charged with abusing previous partners/spouses.....Johnny has not. Does this automatically exonerate him? No, of course not, but when you look at the texts, previous pattern of behavior, AND phone calls, I think it REALLy points to Amber as being the abuser. Its especially telling when Amber uses very abusive and manipulative verbiage such as "Do you think anyone will believe YOU were abused? You are a man, you are bigger than me".....then proceeds to laugh in his face.
N. Johnson - then the father threatened to shoot Johnny if he didn’t pay for care repairs the father billed to Johnny. The whole Heard herd are a bunch of money grubbers and users.
@@juliettailor1616 I ageee
I am shocked by the parents especially after just reading the Father threatened Johnny? For Money? After he threw his own daughter under the bus? This is SO dysfunctional.
Those of you who have kids, think about it for a sec.
Say your kid IS the abuser. And is in the public eye. And there divorce proceedings and whatnot.
It‘s their marriage falling apart!
Tell your own kid to do the right thing, counsel and give advice to your own kid, do not send their significant other „secret messages“ -that’s so manipulative and dysfunctional.
Wait till the „kids“ have dealt with their „ufficial/public“ stuff and guide your kid to behave like a good person ffs!
And if you cannot send the message without it being a secret, then there is something wrong with it and you know it.
Do NOT put the victim in the position to have to have a secret with you, what‘s wrong with you ppl?
And if you want to apologize for your ADULT child and say you don’t agree, then do so, but NOT IN SECRET!
No wonder she’s messed up.
Personally I think with the parents text they were trying to get him to break the restraining order.
I'm a male who was in a very similar relationship, with almost identical age differences. I also identify almost perfectly with the dynamic (as I see it). Johnny from (what I see as) maturity takes the side of "what is the point of being in a relationship if there's nearly only arguing," and "My relationship interest is in being good to each other, therefore, I will always back away and off when fighting starts." I saw my younger partner (we lived together) as being nearly constantly angry -- where she herself didn't understand WHY she was angry most of the time (and indeed, it seemed she only vaguely and intermittently understood that she was "angry" because the relationship wasn't providing her with what she wanted (this seems true with Amber also, IMO) -- which would elicit from me "why are you here then?"). I think that Johnny has reached an age and maturity where he understands the futility of anger as a method for navigating life. Amber is nowhere near that (and indeed, as pointed out, she sees anger as an overarchingly legitimate way to manage a relationship).
I really liked your analysiss over this video, but I think you got confused, she states that she will have to use make up in order to make people believe her. I would believe her if she had evidence to support her claims but thanks to the evidence summited by Johnny, it has been proved that her marks doesn't fit the healing days, magically dissapear or change places along with many neutral witnesses that included the police officers that she mentioned in the phone call. And I totally agree that this is a hard reality but they have harmed each other (not necesarily mean abuse) but it cannot be simplified thanks to the physical part... It is difficult and I actually found more harmful this audio in particular, I tried to heard again the "make up" part and it does imply that she made fake bruises... Anyway thanks for an insightful video
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@@DrGrande it's okay, anyway this video makes me understand more that there are things that are very complex into their marriage and maybe it's not okay to just put the blame into someone, I think at this level we can assume who is going to win the case due to the evidence already released but if the court begs to differ or says that Amber was abused to, I'm more than ready to apologize for blaming Amber "prematurely". I have difficulty to see both sides of the coin in many conflicts but I believe that your video helped me to realize things that I did.not thought first or that they were common, so once again... very thankful of watching this
4:44 - I think a lot of people confused this portion of the conversation with what they thought was an admission by Amber that she faked her injuries. She asked (and I'm paraphrasing) "What do you think people will believe? That I was in a secret fight club, or that I used make up (to fake the bruises)?"
Secret fight club = their abusive relationship
Therefore, the contrast she was trying to draw was which scenario people would believe more: that their relationship was abusive or that she faked her bruises
I really feel like Amber have narcissist/sosiopathic traits..... I have 5 years experience with these kind of people, and something just don’t feel right about her.. Very manipulating!
I think Johnny is very tired of arguing, and i really feel like he is TOO kind to her in this moment...
She is the abuser, but allways comes across as «the victim»..... And all the LIES.... i just can’t✋🏼
Fun Fact : She’s A Diagnosed Narcissistic Sociopath :)
Marie Priss That makes sense😅
You said you didn't have enough back story, I suggest you listen to all the audio tapes, look at the court documents, get the back story you lack and look at both their pasts, she has a history of this behaviour. Only then can you make an informed decision. Don't just back her cause she's a woman.
You said it. People don't change. Amber has an arrest for domestic voilence from a past relationship, none of Johnnys ex's have a bad thing to say about him. That's says a lot.
He is probably tired of defending himself. It's like talking to the wall.
Theres a point where jd barely raises his voice after ah was yelling for at least the previous six minutes and her response is to push him to take a xanex and that is what got me
I’m worried that if she was that comfortable blatantly manipulating his meds what else did she do????
Many examples of shaky reasoning here. First of all if a person is supposedly built more for physical conflict than another this does not make him mentally and physically immune to damage and pain. We are told that being hit by a woman is no excuse to hit a woman. Reciprocation is not an excuse it must be self defence. I assume this applies to women when dealing with men too. From your assessment johnny (which has the same amount of syllables as Amber by the way) would have to be totally unable to speak or move to be a victim. Seriously, do you believe that "you never really loved me " could be seen as some sort of aggression that is worth mentioning under these circumstances. It sounds like a true statement to me.
By all other accounts Johnny is a completely non violent individual. Of course if amber came out of this with a black I It would be off to prison with him and Amber could move on to her next victim. She has already been arrested for DV and it has done nothing to stop her. Perhaps a black eye might do the job. Perhaps the reason that female instigated DV is rising at shocking levels is because we have removed the natural consequences for it and they can now proceed with impunity.
I would also remind you that statistics show that females are more likely to use weapons and that 70% of non reciprocal domestic violence is committed by females.
I think Todd did an excellent job at making it clear that the violence is not acceptable. It seems as though the violence was an isolated incident and not especially severe. That isn't in any way a justification, but as a man your "natural consequences" don't seem especially necessary. We're talking about a man who is I'm guessing around 6 feet tall and around 170 verses Amber Heard. It's like a bear verses a fucking chihuahua, we are not talking about Rhonda Rousey here. You say she's moving on to her next "victim" but it isn't as Machiavellian as all that. She's just an immature and vaguely mentally ill bitch, it happens all of the time. The most truly damaging things that she did to Johnny Depp were certainly not physical. Going back, you say we've removed the "natural consequences" for domestic abuse perpetrated by females, and that now they can operate with impunity, but what exactly is your solution? Should I flatten some chick because she threw a cup at me? How does that work in your head exactly? I don't want to narrow down all domestic abuse by females to, say, throwing a cup, that would probably be sexist against both men and women, but we should be really clear about what it usually means when women get physical with their man in a relationship. They aren't usually going for the jugular is all I'm saying. Men are a little different in that regard
@@jaredferguson2999 My own personal policy is that as long as someone is not violent with me I will not be violent with them. Once they have committed violence against me they have removed that protection. I may under the particular circumstances decide that violence on my part is counter productive but there is no guarantee of that. That applies to both men and women. In any case if a woman threw a cup at me I wouldn't just let it go. I certainly can't imagine continuing a relationship with such a person. I like myself and I reject the notion that men should simply absorb violence. The worst mistake to make in a relationship is to give the other party a reason to believe that abuse will be tolerated. Unfortunately this is not the message we are giving our young men.
@@johnrew5713 Well, that's certainly true. I think our culture has a gigantic problem with normalizing abusive behavior and I certainly don't want to seem like part of the problem
I guess you didn't listen to the first recording. She admitted hitting him . He pushed her away and left the room after she hit him.
Great follow up!
One thing; Wasn’t Amber the one who stated she couldn’t knock him off his feet and Johnny asked “then why did you try?” Not the other way around.
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@@DrGrande The statement is still there. It's better if you pinned your comment explaining your errors. Please.
I just checked the video and the error has been removed.
“Destructive relationship patterns are highly resistant to modification.“
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You need more context, there is a lot of material for you to catch-up on to make a more informed and complete analysis.
It's always the perpetrators who want to "get their reputation back".
Ironic.
By being exposed they finally get the reputation they deserve. What they want "back" is the bloated airballoon of lies and grandiosity and innocence - a lie.
I gotta say I dont see where you see her being more sympathetic here and seeing all this blame on both sides. sure, the flashy "I didnt punch you, I was Hitting you" is in the other recording, not this one, but in this one she basically admits to putting out abuse allegations just (or mainly) so she and her friends can stay in the condos, when he tells her that wasnt even an issue and she could've stayed anyway. but from her pov, if she isnt sure if she'll be able to live where she's living, best to put out an abuse claim and get a restraining order - which ruins depps character in a lot of people's eyes permanently, no matter how well he is or isn't able to defend it later.
it's pretty important imo what we DONT see. we see her being focused on the living arrangements, rather than telling the truth (in her eyes) and getting away from an abusive husband. we see her being focused a lot on the court documents getting found out by the press a day or two before they likely would've been found out, all this meaningless stuff.
Also he points out how he was abused and she just seemingly cant wrap her head around it, there's a noticeable silence after he asks if she believes she ever abused him. she rubs it in his face how he wont be believed. she knows she's in the winning position in the public's eyes.
I also dont see BOTH of them focused on the fair fight thing. he brings up how she injured him, and SHE mocks it saying "You can please tell people that it was a fair fight, and see what the jury and judge thinks. Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I, Johnny Depp, a man, I’m a victim too of domestic violence. And I, you know, it’s a fair fight. And see how many people believe or side with you". she puts it in his mouth that he's trying to call it a fair fight. he's not. that's why he says "it doesnt matter, fair fight my ass". he dismisses that idea cause for him, he was the abused one, period.
It is very important that Dr. Grande responds to these questions. If he's a professional, he will do so.
"A _little_ less sympathetic"? Much of the sympathy Amber garnered before these tapes comes from the assumption that men are more likely to initiate physical relational violence. This stereotype is largely false. Amber made serious allegations against Depp, but the recordings show explicitly that she has unclean hands, lied, brought her complaints in bad faith, and abused the legal system to gain advantage in the divorce case. It's called the _silver bullet_ for a good reason. False abuse allegations are nearly impossible to defend against and confer considerable advantage in divorce and custody proceedings even if they're eventually disproven.
I agree with much of what you have said, except for the 'stereotype' comment! 'Largely false'? Men are more likely to physically abuse than vice versa! Men are generally stronger, bigger and more aggressive! Testosterone plays a big part in this.. And if the man feels entitled, has no self control, controlling, etc, a bully, then he seems to feel justified to hit a woman..
I haven't watched your previous video but I realize you hear and notice things not as clearer as most people, and even myself who has ASD.
I also have been in a relationship with someone with NPD, maybe that's because why I can tell the signs.
The reason why Depp doesn't cut the call earlier is typical of a co dependent victim. It's harder for a co dependent victim to let go of a destructive relationship and he keeps his hopes high even when he subconsciously knows it's impossible he will never ever hear an apology or an admittance of part of the blame from Heard because narcissists rarely apologize unless they have the control on the dynamic and they take the decision to postpone the dynamic of abuse for another moment with a feigned apology.
It amazes me that in any of the 2 recordings, Heard is incapable to articulate an accusation or a concrete situation against Depp where wether he started any physical altercation nor if he was verbally abusive towards her in any point in time, she just states things Johnny arguably said that sparked her fits of uncontrollable rage. That is not the same as verbal abuse.
Malignant narcissists like Heard don't need much to jump into a conflict and escalate it rapidly. Her dismissivenes, her mocking, condescending and patronizing tone and never ending verbal impetus is so typical of a narcissist. And every narcissist tactic is used and noticed on Heard in the first audio recording: gaslighting, stonewalling, etc.
Of course any injuries she might had happened when Depp was on the defensive, just like the shoving moment on the first recording; hitting someone with more dense bone structure, weight, and muscular tone will cause bruises on the attacker, just like someone hitting a concrete wall will cause bruises or break a bone.
Witnesses have stated they've seen Heard without the bruises before and after he went to the police and there may be photos supporting this theory but they're probably being held as evidence for the ongoing case of difamation.
Is Depp a narcissist?
It is really hard to conclude that with the evidences presented so far, at least for me.
Actors have a required level of narcissism and it's expected, but not to the level of toxicity or danger as witnessed in Heard.
I also want to add that Johnny's mother was also really abusive, and he learned his co-dependence from his relationship with her. This would explain why Johnny doesn't come to the realization he has at the end sooner.
I believe that Dr. Grande analyzed this through too narrow of a scope. All of his conclusions seem to be based on viewing both Amber and Johnny as people who are of healthy and sound mind, with no prior history of abuse, in any capacity. But the fact that Amber has a history of domestic violence matters. Johnny's previous partners stating he wasn't abusive matters. Johnny's previous abuse at the hands of his mother matters. The fear that Amber's parents have of her finding out that they texted Johnny matters.
Putting out an 'analysis' like this without taking into account the personalities of the people involved, or any of the evidence, is very negligent.
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I'd expect Depp to be exhausted. This stuff has been going on since 2015. 5 years and it's not over with?
Heard might be a verb but Amber is a color 🤔
Just kidding. 😄
She sounds unhinged and immature but Johnny should have know better dating someone so much younger than him. He basically admitted to seeing red flags before they were married. She's crazy but he's old enough to recognize crazy.
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This analysis was incredibly disappointing. I understand this was done months ago and there was less evidence of other incidents, however Therapist Talks did a full analysis of the exact same audio clips. In her analysis she goes in depth about Amber’s narcissistic traits and even time stamps EXACTLY where amber is using manipulation tactics, such as love bombing and gaslighting. She even points out the worst part, when amber realizes her manipulation tactics aren’t working on Johnny and decides to manipulate him with drugs to get in control again. Therapist talks also takes it a step further and analyzes the victim behavior exhibiting from Johnny. I definitely recommend checking out her analysis instead, as she actually goes through the whole audio and doesn’t gloss over the important parts
Seriously? Shouldn’t you revise your take on the physical abuse statement that you wrongly attributed to Johnny Depp?
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Dr. Todd Grande Thank you.
@@DrGrande since Depp ex supports him,and gives an extremely charitable discretion of his charector despite their divorce and Amber has been arested for DV shouldnt the benfitvof doubt be given to him ?
She admitted hitting him in the first recording.
As for Amber's injuries, those bruises miraculously disappeared the next day. Bruises typically take a while to disappear with multiple different stages.
That's why the makeup thing was brought up because its speculated that she takes the bruising.
Loved seeing you smirk a few times in this one. Great insight as usual.
Dr. Todd with all due respect a correction to your video is gravely needed. Johnny was not the one that said I never knocked you off your feet or Ive never been able to overpower you. That was all Amber, I also listened to the entire recording and for people who haven't listened to it, this information is totally incorrect.
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@@DrGrande Thanks for taking time to respond :)
Not only did he not abuse her, not abusing or being violent to women is who he is. He has referenced his upbringing. It was not a thing you did or were. It's fundamental to his identity. That infuriated her that he would walk away or stay calm or let her have a go at him. She berated him and goaded him. I watched a woman do that to her husband, when I was a kid. I've seen that dynamic with my own eyes. A couple days ago, I shared a post that said, "The narcissist will hurt you and hurt you, again and again, waiting for the moment that you retaliate...Just so "they" can play the victim." When he refused to take her bait, she invented victimization stories and borrowed them from actual victims. I also worked with a girl who was sitting on the bed, arguing with her boyfriend. He tossed something onto the bed and it bounced up and gave her a black eye. She went around work, telling anyone who asked, that he "gave her a black eye" and left it like that, so people would picture him hitting her. She seemed so self satisfied and almost proud of it, that I asked for details. I wasn't buying it. The next time I saw them together, I got the whole story. She had so enjoyed passing the word around that he had given her a black eye, leaving out the accidental bounce, that he couldn't have planned. There were a lot more behaviors, like that, from narcissists-I-have-known. I know the exhaustion in Johnny's voice. His going forward with this case, even though he never wanted to have to, may bring the reality of these disorders and their manifestations more to light and to believability. People who are hurt and confused may find a sanity-saving point of reference. I was at near defeat, when a person happened to post a "X-number of Behaviors of a Covert Narcissist" on FB. I am so grateful for the kismet that sent that information my way. He may save lives of people he'll never meet. A lesser man would not have had that self control to keep preferring peace, and walking away, when he clearly realized that that she would never allow peace and happiness. it was her. He had tried everything, including just letting her have a go at him and hit him. She berated him no matter what he tried.
She set him up. He's acknowledging that. Remember she accused him of abusing her first.
12:49 It sounded like a sudden realization, in that moment. I think it didn't occurred to him before that point.
Having lived with and experienced the full range of issues that a BPD presents, I believe Amber is a candidate!!!
I'll bet Johnny Depp is sorry he left his long term relationship with the mother of his children for this relationship. His ex is a beautiful woman and talented actress and she must have been gutted. At least she knows now he did not upgrade.
She's far less attractive than Amber tho.
She isn't far less attractive. Both women are attractive. If Vanessa wasn't attractive then why was he with her for 14 years and had two children? Vanessa has married since Johnny left, and for the rest of his life Johnny will have to face his children, who know what he did to their family. The grass wasn't greener and he's living with the consequences. Hopefully cheaters will see this as a warning.
Xmx2772 agreed plus i do not know if Depp wasn't a or isn't a covert narcissist himself, i think they both are, she overt, he covert. Bc coverts can be tricky like this. Hard to win any evidence with a covert narc, i think they are both to blame and him playing out to be a victim while he really is not. I think they are both at fault. Its easy to point out the overt things Amber did but it is not that easy to crack the code of a covert with multiple masks . Never forget that a real amount of narcissism is needed to get to the top in any career. He is not the poor victim. Both of them are sick.
Typical narcissistic behaviour by Heard. She wants him to take the blame for her narcissistic rage and for being toxic and abusive. She can't tolerate his very healthy act of getting away to de-escalate the situation, and she wants to keep the fight going for the sake of the drama itself. Thank heavens Depp's ended the relationship. She's a nightmare.
Love these videos... so insightful
The point you make at the 12:08 mark about wondering why he didn't withdraw earlier becomes clear if you give a look at all the evidence his legal team brought to court last week. Once you go look at just some of said evidence then it makes a lot more sense. Even tho his reputation did suffer a lot he tried to protect her from herself, which says a lot from their personalities.
Umm no. Totally disagree on the " weather you love was real or not..." Comment. I can almost guarantee that Amber was either smiling, yawning, or rolling her eyes when he said that. This woman had several affairs and used and abused Johnny. She NEVER loved him. She used him to build her career. That's it that's all. That's why she said NOTHING about the love thing.
I would love to see you revisit this as there is now so much more information, such as the “emotional blackmail” her parents used on him to keep him from defending himself before.
It just amazes me how their marriage lasted more than a few months
You’re so close to 200K!! Beyond well deserved. Honestly to me you’re the most informed clinician on this platform and I look up to you so much as someone entering the counseling field. 😁❤️
Agreed!
As an abused, I believe you need to go back to school for some refresher lessons. In my opinion you do not see so many signs or choose to ignore the signs that Amber is the abuser. ..and it's opinions like this that will always harm the abused further.
Basically she thinks he should submit to her abuse because he's a man and a woman couldn't possibly hurt a man...so not true
Dr. Amber said I never knocked you off your feet. Not Depp.
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DR. Grande has been very careful not to take side and ppl are jumping on him because of that. He said in his past video that there is evidence that Amber was violent but no evidence that Johnny was not violent prior to that or at another non-recorded moment. Basically he is being skeptical of what is missing or nor provable but he has said that indeed amber was violent. So stop saying that he hasn’t hinted at Ambers abuse. He has.
He is refraining from engaging as it is often a trap..
Thank you Dr. Grande. I will be looking into this. It looks interesting.
Your videos are soo good. Really enjoy them. ❤️
I tried to stop any violence before it happened by being violent to you!
Sounds like Gaslighting... or invading Poland.
I went back and listened to the tape. I felt like it was heartbreaking listening to a woman murder the love that a man has for her.
I hadn’t known about this. Thanks Dr Grande
Good job Dr. Grande!! Good analysis very on point!
He was in disbelief that she seemed to believe or repeat her lies as truth.
From what I read Amber is incredibly manipulative. She keeps talking in circles and making statements that on their face are unanswerable. He sounds tired! He sounds hurt and tired, and she wants to keep the argument going! It’s clear neither one of them is over the other emotionally,
But clearly from different places.
From what I read she put way more than she should’ve put in the public eye...and it backfired. Her reputation is hurt because of her actions not his. She’s clearly gaslighting him, and she’s proven via her own parents comments to Him this isn’t the only time she’s been involved in a volatile relationship!
Her parents texts to him are apologetic to him in their tone. Any parent who really believed their child, male or female, was physically and mentally abused is NOT going to engage the alleged abuser with this much civility! That’s what convinced me that the trouble maker is Amber; not Depp!
I also got the distinct feeling by the way she questions him, yet avoids solid answers, she’s realizing this is coming to an end, she’s pushed him too far. She’s almost desperate in her verbal circling! What’s the saying about one protesting too much?!
All the public texts and conversations, coupled with the fact that Depp has been in the public eye for years...NEVER a word if him being abusive what so ever make me believe she’s been the aggressor and put him in a no win situation. She knows he adored her, and she used that! Now the finish line is at hand and she’s clearly making a desperate attempt to keep it going!
Hate to say it but I’ve had girl friends that this pattern was pervasive in every relationship they had, and is why I cut them out of my life. Some people are just unhealthy to be around for extended periods of time! The boy who cried wolf if you will!
As always interesting commentary! Thank you for your input! It’s nice to know you do engage with your viewers!
There's video clips where she hits a costar from a movie during an interview, she smacks her Dad across the chest, and someone else. She's extremely handsy for an "abuse victim". She also becomes irate almost immediately when they punked her on a tv show. She also has previous charges for beating up her ex gf. So I think you're being a little conservative about your analysis.
"You don't exist I created you in my mind" what an exit statement. Reminds me of Rhett Buttler in Gone With Wind "Frankly my dear I don't give Damn".
Brilliant. It’s so relieving to hear someone talking about this sort of suffering which is usually hidden and very hard to grasp and convey.
i thought the second recording made depp seem MORE sympathetic, whereas the first recording wasn't really demonstrating anything except that she seems like a difficult person.
Usually I love your channel and agree with you, but I strongly advise you to look over all the evidence again and reassess this case. I say that with all due respect.
I think if you were ever in an abusive relationship your understanding would be different.
Didn't you hear Jonny saying .... You are goona blame me for something I didnt do
I have to agree with some others who commented that you seem to be a little harder on Johnny about this call. I think Johnny was just so over it with her. He gave her one more chance to try to resolve things out of court. She just chatted on like "why aren't you helping me convict you Johnny"? When he finally realized that she was believing her own lies he finally gave up. It was hearthbreaking to hear him say to her "I can't believe you are doing this to me". You can hear how sincerely heart broken he was by that. He loved her & couldn't believe how cruel she was being to him. She gets no sympathy from me at all. And to file for divorce 2 or 3 days after his mom died was horrible! All of his friends & family have said they didn't like her because she treated him so badly.
Great insight!
Dr Grande is so diligent and considerate in explaining why he is calling them Depp and Amber. Turder would have been clear and appropriate.
Respectfully, if you read the court transcripts, you will find that Amber’s allegations are completely meritless. SHE was the abuser at all times.