If they want to keep the "millionaire" thing, I dunno, sell CPT bundles like they did for SFV to add some more money for the other places. And by that I mean add stages, stickers, whatever, and costumes for the actual characters AND NOT FUCKING AVATAR BUNDLES.
500k for first place is more than fine. Everyone makes more and it's a better ecosystem for the pro players and orgs. Also Capcom needs to change A LOT OF DATES because there are clashes between WW regionals and Offline events. If Mena goes to Singapore, he has to come back to the East coast for WW regional finals and then go to Japan CPT event. This shows a lack of communication and planning from Capcom.
Given that for instance, the region "Asia" consists of literally only China and US Midwest/Canada doesn't have any Canadian province or territory at all, it's kind of wild how the regions are split up this time. Some of these regions could easily be merged (e.g. China, Germany, Central Americas) so that you get from 24 down to only 19 regions - and then every region could be a super region with two players each. That only 3 of 5 results count into the points though is great. In theory, one could apply that to offline premiers too so that offline ranking would be possible too (like best 2/3 standings in offline premiers) without money playing a huge role as if all offline premier points were to count. What the super regions may cause is that when the World Warrior tournaments for who goes to Capcom Cup happen, it feels strange knowing the best player isn't in it and the interest might be lower since I doubt anyone would want to follow random World Warrior tournament #3 of region XYZ, if it's streamed at all. For the super premiers, I'm fine with it but I wish they weren't concentrated in one continent.
Im glad that offline got more love this time around, but that prize distribution is really dumb. I figured it would have been improved after last year, but they somehow made it worse. I agree though that it's a marketing gimmick. And i understand that tours are always about marketing, but capcom needs to improve this aspect. We've had EVO in various forms for over 20 years and Capcom Pro Tour is going into its 11th. This shouldn't be such a difficult thing to figure out in balancing between marketing and the players.
I hate to keep pointing this out, but that's how double elimination tournaments work. Sure Top 8 means you eliminated a lot of people, but realistically, a double elimination tournament ONLY has a 1st and 2nd place. All other awards to placate those who made it through the brackets. Realistically, the 3rd best payer could have been eliminated in pools and it's just luck of the draw who makes top 8 outside of the top 2.
I’m ok with the prize split. Maybe it’s because that’s all I’m used to on the east coast with a winner takes all mentality and second and third get back their entry fee and then some. This is just on a more grand scale.
That's a very naive way of looking at it. By that logic, it would be better for Capcom to completely cut all prize money except for 1st place, because then the winner would literally be infinitely better than everyone at the tournament. Obviously, this would be ridiculous. Clearly the prize money needs to be spread around a bit, but what the exact distribution should be is a difficult question. Obviously 1st should get the most, but there needs to be enough incentive for other players to show up, even if they might not be the strongest, and also to keep them from sabotaging each other.
They're absolutely uninterested in a healthy esports scene. Flatten that prize payout goddamn. If they showed up to the stage they should be making a year's reasonable wage for the toil it takes to earn getting to the stage.
11:07 Much respect Broski for mentioning North Africa, this is the main reason why a lot of players there never take the game seriously unfortunately. wasted potential
If aki remains untouched, broski will take it. I personally would prefer 500k for fp and much more for all the others. The more everyone earns, the more they can make it their job. Anything under 10k makes it hardly worth the effort tbh.
I'm only really sad there's no LCQ since it's usually kinda hype. Everything else about the format seems good EXCEPT for the prizing split, but I'm just a spectator so that doesnt really affect me
I think this format is a vast improvement from last year, but they really shouldn't go for the 1 million thing. it's so obviously messing up everyone that doesn't get 1st place. Imagine having to compete and practice to be at the top of your game for a whole year, get 7th or 8th place in the WHOLE DARN WORLD, only to get 5k bucks. FG competitors need a stable platform, not a random chance to become a millionaire.
A winner get more rewarded its a good way for marketing now yes it is making the others players prize pool less, but the goal like in fighting tournaments is always viewed that the more well placed you are the more money you get, cause -the best are remembered but those under are not. It may seem not fair but they also could have payed only the three on the podium so while seeming low for all the hard work they have done its still feel fair that they got some kind of monetary gain even if not considered much by some peoples, it is still more than most average monthly salaries. Also dont forget its a solo esport not a big team esport with a lot of sponsors while still being the biggest consitently prize pool in fighting game, so giving those big money prize for winner also allow that in the futur prize pool get even more high like in dubai the more popular the game get, the more high the prize can be in the futur ,but dont forget that sf6 is keeping on his shoulder the fighting game community economy as an flagship,you wont see this kind of prize pool in mortal combat , multiverse, Kof etc....
That prize structure is laughable. Poker players like top heavy prize structures due to how your advantages snowball into the end of a tournament, so the top heavy prize structures tend to be more popular, but this prize structure puts poker prize structures to shame. For this kind of structure a player that goes undefeated to grand finals would need like 5 bracket reset matches.
if I am reading the rules correctly, it seems like to auto qualify in a super region, they base it off of all your WW points, so I think you need to compete in all 5 if you want to secure your spot
First, the axioms for my simplified model: Generally, Capcom needs to balance three interests: Viewers (which generate revenue), pro players (who are needed for viewers) and cost to them (which Capcom needs to minimize). Assumptions: Pro play does not generate much revenue directly, but it strengthens the bond between viewers and the game, which then indirectly creates higher revenue. Pro play itself does not generate much revenue. Tickets and streams do not outweigh the cost of location, commentators, the setups, working crew and every other aspect of an event. The prize pools are only the tip of the iceberg, but significant enough. For more on location tournaments, Capcom would have to suffer a cut in their profits. And most games tend to generate the bulk of their revenue at the beginning and then slowly decline. SF6 is absolutely gigantic in Japan and that allows the game to prosper, but it does not have the same status on the rest of the world. Especially as the FGC is relatively divided this time around as we have Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Guilty Gear absorbing massive amounts of casual players (as well as many smaller fighting games) which then reduces the potential amount of money spent. Capcom is also the only developer I know that currently *grows* as they increased wages for staff retention and are willing to invest in more projects as they are getting out of the dark age into probably a new golden age. Now we have to consider that SF6 probably can not grow much more as it has reached market saturation for everyone who is seriously interested in the game. But Project L will try to brute force itself into the FGC with Riot (and by proxy Tencent) money, and Capcom can not compete in that regard. Using too many resources for SF6 with its future possibly uncertain is extremely risky, and they have multiple IPs they could use to get safer revenue (like Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma, Devil May Cry and possibly even MegaMan). Capcom is currently interested in a stable system with low risk until their important projects are out of the pipeline as they can not risk any delays as games like Monster Hunter are a massive investment, so they will use their resources in a way that maximizes interest for money spent. And they probably have hit the nail on the head. The million dollar price is even known to people who barely recognize the new design of Ryu and Ken, as the number made headlines. So this mode of operation will not change until they have their larger projects out of the way, and possibly until a year after. We could see experimentation, but not before Project L as Capcom knows that the game has potential to attack their revenue stream directly in the worst case scenario. If they lose their grasp now, just before the game releases, they would have a problem. Doing it stable, doing it safe is just the smartest move. Now we get to the pro players. They can be divided into two camps: Doing it for money and reputation, or just as a very serious hobby. The first ones are the guys that Project L could absorb and no amount of prize that Capcom can offer would change that as again Tencent money is too much. The second camp is harder to get away. Alex Valle who long carried the community will not just drop Street Fighter for example. But these guys get work done and are important for the FGC. Money will get them to do promo, but the competition will stay alive. As long as Capcom is competent, they will not do an exodus. That means that spending more money also does not solve this specific problem, and yet again the conclusion is to make it competent. For the viewers: Very difficult to say. Viewers of fighting games live the culture, it is like soccer. And Riot Games with their firm grasp on ESports and hard conditions will make it corporate. Some will dislike it as concepts like thuggery are getting reduced for more mainstream appeal. I am not sure if Riot Games with their typical approach will succeed in securing core people of the FGC for a long time. Especially as the design of mainstream appeal (like lessening the skill gap, which League of Legends has introduced many times) will keep long term engagement. Yes, this comment is very Project L centered, but I can not imagine that Capcom did not think this at least partially through, as this is the single greatest danger to their revenue stream.
"In addition for Super Regions, at the end of the five (5) regular CPTWW tournaments, the player ranked first in points will be given the right to participate in CAPCOM CUP 11, and the CPTWW regional finals will be played by the top eight players in points, excluding that player." I think this means enders will have to play in all five tournaments to get his free pass CC11
North Africa is part of the middle east region thats why its a super region. Algeria is one of the countries it mentions. Spans from Algeria to pakistan
This is completely incorrect, the middle east region in the rulebook contains Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Cyprus, Iraq, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen. North Africa is explicitly excluded.
I'd love to be in a position to get $100K for second place at a fighting game tournament and complain about it not being enough. The entitlement is hilarious. People are so delusional when they talk about "better prize splits" as if there is any scenario they won't complain about. With any prize pool that's large enough to be marketable, there's going to be a big gap *somewhere*. Whether the gap is between 1st and 2nd or 8th and 9th or 32nd and 33rd, it's going to be there, someone will find it, and there will be endless whining about it.
This thumbnail is a straight up classic
broskis thumbnails are starting to rival brian f
If they want to keep the "millionaire" thing, I dunno, sell CPT bundles like they did for SFV to add some more money for the other places. And by that I mean add stages, stickers, whatever, and costumes for the actual characters AND NOT FUCKING AVATAR BUNDLES.
there needs to be more cross promotion in the game and events. let us watch the pro tour in the battle lounge big screen
This ❤
oh man 100% being able to chat to peeps would be great lol
500k for first place is more than fine. Everyone makes more and it's a better ecosystem for the pro players and orgs. Also Capcom needs to change A LOT OF DATES because there are clashes between WW regionals and Offline events. If Mena goes to Singapore, he has to come back to the East coast for WW regional finals and then go to Japan CPT event. This shows a lack of communication and planning from Capcom.
What a thumbnail
Yo what do you do if you're from example: Argentina. Like, only Mexico and South America East can enter?
Watched this live and I'm ready to hear the ASMR
it’s also so sweaty. if everyone’s goal is to win the milli, it incentivizes scummier tactics etc.. to get there!
Would you wake up dp for 900k?
Given that for instance, the region "Asia" consists of literally only China and US Midwest/Canada doesn't have any Canadian province or territory at all, it's kind of wild how the regions are split up this time. Some of these regions could easily be merged (e.g. China, Germany, Central Americas) so that you get from 24 down to only 19 regions - and then every region could be a super region with two players each. That only 3 of 5 results count into the points though is great. In theory, one could apply that to offline premiers too so that offline ranking would be possible too (like best 2/3 standings in offline premiers) without money playing a huge role as if all offline premier points were to count.
What the super regions may cause is that when the World Warrior tournaments for who goes to Capcom Cup happen, it feels strange knowing the best player isn't in it and the interest might be lower since I doubt anyone would want to follow random World Warrior tournament #3 of region XYZ, if it's streamed at all.
For the super premiers, I'm fine with it but I wish they weren't concentrated in one continent.
China has a very large population.
Im glad that offline got more love this time around, but that prize distribution is really dumb. I figured it would have been improved after last year, but they somehow made it worse. I agree though that it's a marketing gimmick. And i understand that tours are always about marketing, but capcom needs to improve this aspect. We've had EVO in various forms for over 20 years and Capcom Pro Tour is going into its 11th. This shouldn't be such a difficult thing to figure out in balancing between marketing and the players.
I hate to keep pointing this out, but that's how double elimination tournaments work. Sure Top 8 means you eliminated a lot of people, but realistically, a double elimination tournament ONLY has a 1st and 2nd place. All other awards to placate those who made it through the brackets. Realistically, the 3rd best payer could have been eliminated in pools and it's just luck of the draw who makes top 8 outside of the top 2.
It’s 2024 guys, a $1mil is not life changing money 😢. You can get a 2br apartment in the Bay Area and $600 / mo HOA fees.
I’m ok with the prize split. Maybe it’s because that’s all I’m used to on the east coast with a winner takes all mentality and second and third get back their entry fee and then some. This is just on a more grand scale.
The real question is why is anyone besides 1st getting any money...?
Jk 😂
This is true meritocracy. The winner is literally 10x as good as the second place player. It's just good business.
That's a very naive way of looking at it. By that logic, it would be better for Capcom to completely cut all prize money except for 1st place, because then the winner would literally be infinitely better than everyone at the tournament. Obviously, this would be ridiculous. Clearly the prize money needs to be spread around a bit, but what the exact distribution should be is a difficult question. Obviously 1st should get the most, but there needs to be enough incentive for other players to show up, even if they might not be the strongest, and also to keep them from sabotaging each other.
@@mrcrane7189 its a joke
They're absolutely uninterested in a healthy esports scene. Flatten that prize payout goddamn. If they showed up to the stage they should be making a year's reasonable wage for the toil it takes to earn getting to the stage.
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Real !!
11:07 Much respect Broski for mentioning North Africa, this is the main reason why a lot of players there never take the game seriously unfortunately. wasted potential
Rich Evans can finally qualify from his home turf
Really unfortunate. Too much else to say.
man i wanted to try and qualify. im broke tho lmao
This format is strictly better than last year I love it
I subscribed to your channel because you are sincere as f.
and you are an inspiration
Damn! He cut the "This is your year" story
What a shame. That was the best bit
If aki remains untouched, broski will take it.
I personally would prefer 500k for fp and much more for all the others.
The more everyone earns, the more they can make it their job.
Anything under 10k makes it hardly worth the effort tbh.
No one is saltier than 2nd player…
When you get fucked to wake up DP and lose out on $900,000
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 burn out and have no super
I could go for a bowl of ice soup right about now
I'm only really sad there's no LCQ since it's usually kinda hype. Everything else about the format seems good EXCEPT for the prizing split, but I'm just a spectator so that doesnt really affect me
Road to 1m$ retirement
I think this format is a vast improvement from last year, but they really shouldn't go for the 1 million thing.
it's so obviously messing up everyone that doesn't get 1st place.
Imagine having to compete and practice to be at the top of your game for a whole year, get 7th or 8th place in the WHOLE DARN WORLD, only to get 5k bucks.
FG competitors need a stable platform, not a random chance to become a millionaire.
Dont knock ice-water soup until you try it
Nah, that is the hood classic struggle-puffs breakfast cereal!
A winner get more rewarded its a good way for marketing now yes it is making the others players prize pool less, but the goal like in fighting tournaments is always viewed that the more well placed you are the more money you get, cause -the best are remembered but those under are not.
It may seem not fair but they also could have payed only the three on the podium so while seeming low for all the hard work they have done its still feel fair that they got some kind of monetary gain even if not considered much by some peoples, it is still more than most average monthly salaries.
Also dont forget its a solo esport not a big team esport with a lot of sponsors while still being the biggest consitently prize pool in fighting game, so giving those big money prize for winner also allow that in the futur prize pool get even more high like in dubai the more popular the game get, the more high the prize can be in the futur ,but dont forget that sf6 is keeping on his shoulder the fighting game community economy as an flagship,you wont see this kind of prize pool in mortal combat , multiverse, Kof etc....
That prize structure is laughable. Poker players like top heavy prize structures due to how your advantages snowball into the end of a tournament, so the top heavy prize structures tend to be more popular, but this prize structure puts poker prize structures to shame.
For this kind of structure a player that goes undefeated to grand finals would need like 5 bracket reset matches.
How much would Broski get after UK tax if he managed to win. It’s 45% tax at that band.
This thumbnail was my exact thought the moment they announced the million dollar prize at capcom cup. Bravo.
if I am reading the rules correctly, it seems like to auto qualify in a super region, they base it off of all your WW points, so I think you need to compete in all 5 if you want to secure your spot
Totally agree what you and angrybird said .
Storytime from stem not included D:
Let’s go gambling!!
LMFAO!!!!! At that thumbnail 😂😂😂😂
I think ppl should be thankful for the opportunity. Our game could be made by Nintendo, then what.
But it’s not, though.
Yo does anyone know how to get tickets/apply for kings of the world? I can't find it anywhere?
As far as I can tell registration isn't open yet. The page is at start.gg/kotw
@@BroskiFGC love bro
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First, the axioms for my simplified model:
Generally, Capcom needs to balance three interests:
Viewers (which generate revenue), pro players (who are needed for viewers) and cost to them (which Capcom needs to minimize).
Assumptions:
Pro play does not generate much revenue directly, but it strengthens the bond between viewers and the game, which then indirectly creates higher revenue.
Pro play itself does not generate much revenue. Tickets and streams do not outweigh the cost of location, commentators, the setups, working crew and every other aspect of an event.
The prize pools are only the tip of the iceberg, but significant enough.
For more on location tournaments, Capcom would have to suffer a cut in their profits. And most games tend to generate the bulk of their revenue at the beginning and then slowly decline.
SF6 is absolutely gigantic in Japan and that allows the game to prosper, but it does not have the same status on the rest of the world. Especially as the FGC is relatively divided this time around as we have Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Guilty Gear absorbing massive amounts of casual players (as well as many smaller fighting games) which then reduces the potential amount of money spent.
Capcom is also the only developer I know that currently *grows* as they increased wages for staff retention and are willing to invest in more projects as they are getting out of the dark age into probably a new golden age.
Now we have to consider that SF6 probably can not grow much more as it has reached market saturation for everyone who is seriously interested in the game.
But Project L will try to brute force itself into the FGC with Riot (and by proxy Tencent) money, and Capcom can not compete in that regard.
Using too many resources for SF6 with its future possibly uncertain is extremely risky, and they have multiple IPs they could use to get safer revenue (like Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma, Devil May Cry and possibly even MegaMan).
Capcom is currently interested in a stable system with low risk until their important projects are out of the pipeline as they can not risk any delays as games like Monster Hunter are a massive investment, so they will use their resources in a way that maximizes interest for money spent. And they probably have hit the nail on the head. The million dollar price is even known to people who barely recognize the new design of Ryu and Ken, as the number made headlines.
So this mode of operation will not change until they have their larger projects out of the way, and possibly until a year after.
We could see experimentation, but not before Project L as Capcom knows that the game has potential to attack their revenue stream directly in the worst case scenario.
If they lose their grasp now, just before the game releases, they would have a problem. Doing it stable, doing it safe is just the smartest move.
Now we get to the pro players. They can be divided into two camps:
Doing it for money and reputation, or just as a very serious hobby. The first ones are the guys that Project L could absorb and no amount of prize that Capcom can offer would change that as again Tencent money is too much. The second camp is harder to get away. Alex Valle who long carried the community will not just drop Street Fighter for example. But these guys get work done and are important for the FGC. Money will get them to do promo, but the competition will stay alive. As long as Capcom is competent, they will not do an exodus.
That means that spending more money also does not solve this specific problem, and yet again the conclusion is to make it competent.
For the viewers:
Very difficult to say. Viewers of fighting games live the culture, it is like soccer. And Riot Games with their firm grasp on ESports and hard conditions will make it corporate. Some will dislike it as concepts like thuggery are getting reduced for more mainstream appeal. I am not sure if Riot Games with their typical approach will succeed in securing core people of the FGC for a long time.
Especially as the design of mainstream appeal (like lessening the skill gap, which League of Legends has introduced many times) will keep long term engagement.
Yes, this comment is very Project L centered, but I can not imagine that Capcom did not think this at least partially through, as this is the single greatest danger to their revenue stream.
Bro…..you put the thought/work in. Were you high lol, locked in my man.
i aint reading allat
hopefully project l fucking fails
@@surtrpicks
Not high, I just took a break from something, and then I did not want to get back to work.
@@ileftmywifeandkids
Ask ChatGPT for a summary.
"In addition for Super Regions, at the end of the five (5) regular CPTWW tournaments, the player ranked first in points will be given the right to participate in CAPCOM CUP 11, and the CPTWW regional finals will be played by the top eight players in points, excluding that player."
I think this means enders will have to play in all five tournaments to get his free pass CC11
Nah it's fine he can miss a few and judging by last year's results, it was free for Enders....
For me, as a viewer - no difference split in, or not. It is for you, pro players, to talk with capcom good this is it or not.
Sure thing Yoda
Well, if the top level players don't feel like competing we won't have much to watch lol.
Now that i think of it, the prize is lower bc the budget went to snk for mai and terry
second
North Africa is part of the middle east region thats why its a super region. Algeria is one of the countries it mentions. Spans from
Algeria to pakistan
This is completely incorrect, the middle east region in the rulebook contains Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Cyprus, Iraq, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen.
North Africa is explicitly excluded.
I'd love to be in a position to get $100K for second place at a fighting game tournament and complain about it not being enough. The entitlement is hilarious.
People are so delusional when they talk about "better prize splits" as if there is any scenario they won't complain about. With any prize pool that's large enough to be marketable, there's going to be a big gap *somewhere*. Whether the gap is between 1st and 2nd or 8th and 9th or 32nd and 33rd, it's going to be there, someone will find it, and there will be endless whining about it.