New Film Camera Details!
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- We just got word from Pentax & Ricoh about their newest film camera! While there’s not concrete release date yet, I’m guessing it’ll be sometime this year in 2024! What do you think of this news about the new Pentax camera? Can you see yourself being interested in this camera?
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I'm actually really glad it's 1/2 frame. I feel so much more comfortable taking a random snap when I know it will only cost me half the price :D
that's exactly how I felt with the Kodak ektar h35!
This. I just hope they won't go too cheap on production value. AFAIK they aim at 500€/$ for it. A new camera in 2024 should show what's possible two decades after evolution in film cameras stopped. It has to make sense to buy it instead of spending the same amount or even over 1k for a used camera from the 90s. Altough they'll go with premium compact model in the future and not now with the first one, getting a point and shoot film camera on the market, "just because" doesn't make sense to me. I guess the price is what you have to pay for a good camera today. For me ( I only own 2 plastic film cameras haha) the price is high, but IMO they cannot come out (even with an entry model) that is surpassed by decades old cameras. I think they looked at the surging film camera prices and see what people are willing to pay for those old ones. I just hope the prices equals what they deliver on quality.
You can take random snaps with Your phone.
I think that this release is amazing news for every film photographer, even if this particular release isn't your thing. These dudes own Ricoh and if this goes well they could push for a new GR, with modern tech and features! Wishing the best!
Yeah, agreed. The success of this will dictate their future camera creations.
I watched that announcement and while I had hoped for a slightly different product, the fact that Pentax is committing to film and to a younger target audience is very encouraging. Who knows what their next camera release might be? I hope they are successful with this half frame one and move up to a new semi-pro manual camera with interchangeable K mount lenses.. 🤞
Yessss, rumor has it that they will create that down the road.
I have never heard of half-frame before. I think the novelty of that, for me at least, will probably cause me to purchase this new camera.
Lets go! Thanks for watching, CryptoJones!
I am looking forward to getting this camera and really hoping for 2 things: First, a 28mm lens and secondly a more solid feeling body! I personally hate the cheap plastic feel of many cameras, and I own a Pentax K-X dslr, and that body is disappointing to say the least! Sometimes it is nice to have a smallish camera to be able to toss into a hip pocket of a backpack when out backpacking or hiking. And with the half frame, you can maximize the field experience.
Couldn't agree more! that would be ideal for my preferences as well!
I’ll definitely be getting it. My first thought as a long term 35mm and medium format film user was oh no, not half frame small negative but given the target market to make this project effective and put a quality, tactile film experience in the hands of young people getting into analogue this makes perfect sense. It’s not about trying to compete with modern digital cameras for image resolution. This is about creating an accessible experience and I agree with the one of the other comments that you are more likely to casual street shoot when you know you’re film is going twice as far. I known I’m very sparing with the 12 frames on my Rolleicord TLR trying to make every frame count but with half 48/72 frames you’re more likely to experiment to try different things casually. For someone learning to see photographically, anyone really wanting to indulge in film this is actually exciting. It’s totally changed my thinking of what you could do with it once you give up the idea that you’re looking for the highest resolution images and instead work on your experimentation and creativity.
Let those kids get one and blow up the film market. Getting twice as many shots per roll might mean it's cheap enough for thrice as many people to buy one. So the overall number of film rolls sold because of this camera would actually go up compared to if it was a full frame model. I really don't care about a _camera_ like this, but I do absolutely care about something that supports the _film market_ as a whole. And as every economics student knows, that's most likely with cheap tech resulting in a low barrier of entry. And if film sales increase and more liquid money flows into the industry, maybe Kodak stops raising prices for some time and maybe Fuji finally stops cancelling film stocks.
Let's just hope their marketing department is competent and smart enough to create a viral campaign for the thing on social media. Hype it up and make every kid between the age of 10 to 20 want one. And most importantly, PLEASE make it affordable enough for this and not an expensive lifestyle, novelty product that's actually sold at Urban Outfitters, like the video suggested.
You summed up my impressions from the announcement perfectly!
thanks for watching!
i want this to succeed just so we get similar things in the future, i would have absolutely no use for one, the half frame resolution is just crazy, but if this doesn't suck i will recommend it to everyone who asks me what camera to get
Have you used half frames cameras much? Curious on your thought process towards then. I was honestly surprised by how much I enjoyed using them, despite thinking I would not, initially.
I'm going to try putting a roll of Adox HR-50 through half frame... It should retain more information than foma...
This feels like a camera for the average teenager or young adult that wants to take pictures of their friends. This will do really well.
There were some 18x24mm half-format cameras from Agfa, Corelle, Ducati; I had the one from Agfa in the 1960*s. Half frame makes it very economic because of 72 instead of 36 exp. Olympus had the 18x24mm SLR Pen F and Pen FT;-))
We can't wait to see this. Sounds like it will be a solid camera maybe like the Rollei 35.
I picked up the half frame Olympus Pen FT with the 38mm for really cheap and have been really enjoying shooting half frame. It makes me shoot differently than my other cameras and I will take multiple photos of the same scene or additional detail photos knowing I have a lot more frames. The only thing is I wish is I had a wider lens, but cant justify the cost of the wider lens right now. I would consider picking up this new Ricoh camera depending on the final specs and price.
Hey does this camera they're coming out with have at least three element lens, F 2.8 and a few shutter speeds
As long as it's got an actual lens that isn't junk like the Ektar.
That said if you want a nice half frame camera just go get a Pen F somehow they're still fairly inexpensive.
Yeah, I would love to compare this new Pentax camera with an older Pen F or something similar to see how it fairs.
@@metalfingersfilm just be sure to talk about how terrible the Pen F is so the prices don't explode...
Or give me a heads up so I can stock up on them haha. (Not to resell just to have replacements)
I've had my Pen FT for like 15 years and I just managed to get the light meter working on it by resoldering a wire and its really made me enjoy shooting it again.
I hope it does well, but it’s not for me. I would definitely buy a full frame SLR from them in the future if it becomes available.
I agree. I don’t know why a full frame manual SLR with an auto/aperture priority mode wasn’t released first, that way everyone would be able to use it. Half frame is not for me and most labs charge extra to develop half frame so it kind of defeats the purpose
it's coming. the pure ROI on this cheaper, more broadly popular camera, like the Kodak Ektar H35, is a no brainer to gain traction for future cameras.
You can go but one of those. Why does it need to be new???
Short answer is ：Pentax are so poor to develop film DLSR， they has to be get some funding first.
@@garethVanDagger
(I personally have a Canon AE-1 and a Mamiya 67 Pro II)
Glad to hear a new film camera is in the works that is designed to beore approachable, the concept of half frame seems really interesting also
You should try shooting a half frame camera, you may enjoy it!
Every film photographer needs to buy this camera at least as a gift for someone else so Pentax/Ricoh continues to invest in film photography cameras.
agreed, the more success they have with this camera, the better off they will be for future cameras!
@@metalfingersfilmThey don't even know how to run advertising or social media, so time for film photographers to get them deserved public exposure.
Summer release? Ok graduation gift, Christmas gift, marriage gift due already, for me. I will buy 3 or 4, if not above 300 dollars.
depending on the price point, i might grab one. both because its an interesting camera that i can see my self using but also just to support their efforts and give it more of a chance!
There's one somewhat decent halfframe camera that I found in the market- the Russian Chaika I and II. Fully mechanical, decent 28mm lens and just a little bigger than a Rollei 35.
I'll have to check it out!
If you love half frame, you should definitely try an Olympus Pen F
Like you. I was initially surprised by the 1/2 frame, but understand what Pentax wants, basically is,You have to walk before running.
Any new medium-format cameras?
How do you print these images? I’m probably going to buy it regardless. I hope for a full frame camera and one that doesn’t have interchangeable lenses at 35mm would be fine. All my film cameras are going to shite. So now I need something new and I’m tired of refurbing cameras from the 60s and 70s.
I'd love that. I love those cameras to just throw in my back knowing it will survive for another two decades.
agreed, throw it in my camping back w/ an extra battery and use it for that.
Half frame is fun to take snaps with on days out with friends etc
yeah agreed! more informal and doesn't feel as bad when my photos suck lmao
I think a quality camera in half-format makes sense. Half-format based on portrait orientation makes a lot of sense when we are going to see our photos on all our mobile phones as well. (This is, after all, a camera aimed at the ordinary amateur...) With rising prices for all analog photography, we save a lot of money. I'm very excited to see what else Pentax will accomplish as they come with more new cameras. Maybe Ricoh are the only ones who can make something good out of it? A bit off-topic, but this new camera will challenge us a bit on scanning at home. I have used the Epson V850 flatbed when scanning negatives from my half-frame Olympus Pen F. I'm not sure I'm completely satisfied. Should I get a pure filmscanner (such as Plustek 8200i) or something like that?
Very curious, if it can take good photos than I feel like I should support them, especially with the hope of a new SLR down the road. It would be cool if you could select half or full frame like the Konica Auto Reflex.
I didn't realize that was a feature on any camera! that's so cool!
Personally I think they messed up . People who know Ricoh and photographers don’t want small frames … it’s like theyre trying to build a camera that gets ppl into photography…. When in reality anyone who knows of the to companies more then likely know photography . Great video bro !
They need to start making film cameras that can easily revert from half frame to full frame. I like the idea of half frame to be more cost effective, but I’d hate to get shots that I’d love to print but be hindered from the usable resolution of that frame.
is there cameras that can do that currently?
Is the Kodak camera that you're talking about I don't I think it's a one lens element. Yeah I think they have frame is a good idea but you need a good lens.
Half frame photography I’ve been doing that for the last year for the same reasons
what camera are you using?
The Pentax Espio Mini is one of the best point and shoot cameras. Great alternative to a Yashica T4 or Olympus Mju
yeah it really is, I've been hoping to find one in a thrift store near me lol
I learned about the Olympus PEN line of half-frame cameras from getting into M43 and the digital PENs as an entrypoint for photography 10-12 years ago. I found that film isn't for me and sold my PEN EE2, but half-frame and the "diptych" prints you get back as a result are storytelling rocketfuel. I'm slowly arcing back towards something like a Ricoh GR or a RX 1r ii and if there's anything that would convince me to deal with the hassle of film logistics it's a compact half-frame with a fast fixed 28mm and decent modernized features. In other words, Pentax have my attention.
"storytelling rocketfuel" haha. I love that.
I welcome Pentax's film camera production plans. Whether it's a half-frame camera or a normal camera, it doesn't matter. However, the Pentax point-and-shoot camera that I consider the most ideal is the PC-AF35 (model without date recording). Its slim body is easy to carry around without feeling burdensome. It operates with readily available AAA batteries and features manual rewinding. I also appreciate the comfortable 35mm bright lens without significant distortion. The only drawback is the relatively weak durability of the plastic body. If Pentax were to remake the PC-AF35, I would be willing to buy it no matter the cost. As it is an old camera, it can be challenging to repair if it breaks, which is why I am currently using my fourth camera purchased through eBay.
If the upcoming camera, like the Olympus Pen, comes with a 25mm lens, I might not consider buying it. Although I expect improvements in features like autofocus, I believe a wider angle than 35mm doesn't suit my comfortable composition style (this is my personal preference). I hope my expectations are conveyed to Pentax.
the PC-AF35 the greatest of all time?
@@metalfingersfilm (In the context of point-and-shoot cameras) I think so. When I worked, I used both DSLR and film cameras. Currently, I am using the R5. However, when using a camera during vacations or for leisure, Pentax's PC-AF35 is the best. Despite its slightly inferior autofocus capability (which adds a somewhat appealing charm), the Canon MC is also an attractive camera.
I think I feel most comfortable with the perspective of a 35mm lens.
I'll be buying one to increase the chances of them not bailing on the idea before we get the mechanical SLR, and it's more interesting than a compact.
WHEN !!!!!
The Kodak half fame camera IS a disposable camera, just one altered to allow user reload. The rest of it (materials, lack of controls, plastic lens) are right off the garbage bin assembly line. Ricoh/Pentax building this proposed camera makes perfect sense, if you assume that they need to make some profit along the way. Sales of film cameras today are driven by social media hype. Half frame format makes it much cheaper to use, thus a larger possible market. The rest of it may be basic, but it's also not an innovative design or use of materials, meaning it should be cheap to build and reliable. These folks are mainly reinventing the wheel here. The target buyer is probably going to digitize his/her film images using one or another of the cheap, lower quality "scanning" methods popularized today, or the lowest cost lab scan. The digital images will go to social media, which requires practically no quality at all. It's a perfect match of usage and economy. It will not please those who thought that Ricoh/Pentax planned to produce a Japanese Leica or a Nikon F3 knockoff. And guys, they aren't going to make one later in any event. This is what you get now. Be happy if there is a Next, and if it knocks off an ME Super.
Yeah I'm curious if they can bridge the gap between cost and quality.
you'd figure these companies would have seen the film/point and shoot craze and there'd be more interest in revitalizing their film camera lines. Arent people bored with megapixels by now? there's a unique look that film has, and it will always deserve a spot in a manufacturers lineup. after all there's a reason the grand majority of films are still shot on film
There's a good amount of plastic, re-usable film point and shoots coming out now, but nothing super robust or unique.
I was super excited when they first announced it, and I can understand them targeting the audience they are. I had set aside money for it but now I don’t think i can bring myself to get one. If it wasn’t half frame I may have found a use for it, but will patiently wait for a mechanical slr (or any beefy slr) and for the time being I will use my Linhof 6x9
Yeah, I think the price point will be a big make or break for most people. Can they make it cheap without sacrificing quality or features.
Have you checked out the H35N?!
I think I saw you talking about this on threads.
not on threads, so wasn't me!
Did the Nikon Z flop? It’s a digital camera that looks like it’s from 1971. I think people want the ability to go full manual but with the reliability of newer electronics to have all the modes on it as well. I think the better move would be recreating the Asahi Pentax look, with interchangeable glass. New glass and old maybe even with an adapter ring for old glass and a fully modern kit lens. Would it be too much to ask for a digital hybrid? Offering a digital back in place of the film back? There are days you just want to take a lot of pictures and not spend rent on film and processing.
I shoot on every film format, and since I recently started shooting on half frame I'm finding it really refreshing - there's so much less pressure and way more room for experimentation - but something like the new Kodak camera or even something much better like the original Olympus pen E series is too primitive/restrictive for me. The Fujica Half solved those issues for me, but its 60 year old selenium cell meter won't last forever, so it would be nice to buy a new camera with similar specs. Hopefully Pentax can deliver!
I've heard a lot of great things about those little cameras, but never had an opportunity to give it a shot!
They should have just brought back the original GR in Half frame.
that would be pretty slick!
Anything a camera com does to advance film shooting is a good thing
agreed! all forward movement, is good movement!
I am in no way the intended market for this new Pentax.
But I do like 1/2 frame in general. And the info we got in TKO's video sounds like it is going to be a better camera than I first thought based on their first videos about this.
I did own and liked the Espio Mini so using the lens from that cameras as the basis for the lens of this new camera gives me some optimism that the lens will be good.
I have held the new Kodak 1/2 frame camera and did not buy it; it just felt like a slightly fancy version of their disposable cameras.
At the end of the day, this camera needs to serve the market if it is going to make money for Pentax. And it needs to make money for Pentax for there to be any future film cameras from Pentax.
So even though I am not the buyer they seem to be making this one for, I will base my buying decision on the price. If I can afford it I will buy one.
Give it a good lens--hopefully glass--, an easy battery, and a decent viewfinder and I'm down. Bonus if it has filter threads!
Yeah, good lens and pricepoint will make or break it, in my opinion.
You can still easily get an Olympus Pen F that have great Zuiko lenses
That’s exactly what baffles me about this Pentax effort. Olympus made a whole line of half frame for many years, they’re plentiful and affordable on eBay and many have great lenses and are easy to shoot. Not that hard to find them still working perfectly. The economics for Pentax to manufacture new ones can’t be easy. But I hope they succeed!!
@@BillLovesFilmyeah, i hope they succeed as well
Yeah, however, if you don't know film or how to buy cameras, I can see how buying a "new" camera is appealing and "safe".
@metalfingers - makes sense!
I'm not disappointed. Every choice made a lot of sense.Treat half frames as toys for children is just messed up.
As a seasoned film photographer, reminded once again of the unfortunate realization of wanting a good new designed film camera (that's not made by Leica). 😞
We'll get there! I think sooner rather than later. look at MINT's project!
IMO, Ricoh are overthinking things with a mechanical half frame camera.
Just come out with the full frame high quality pocketable compact with built-in flash. Then take my money, Ricoh!
1/2 frame or 35mm full frame SLR would be ideal.
hopefully both eventually!
Time to sell my Mju before it breaks 😅😅
My thoughts with my Contax T2 lolol
I can play with that winder all day without shooting. Buy at least one too show support.
Half frame? I guess it would be fine. Not ideal for me but... maybe just play it daily and shoot some cheap rolls. Or even carry it as a winder toy😂.
However, I do expect a fully machenized SLR. More used slr are going to break in the future, even though they used to make millions of them.
We need a mechanical manual camera nothing else is necessary.
I was looking forward to buying that camera but now when I know that it is half frame I’m no longer interested in it. ☹️
But half frame is good for saving some cash hehe
@@arisarifin1586 maybe but still there is no quality in so small picture. That for me it is no sense of buying it. I was saving some cash for that camera but now can buy more film instead.
@@nooooooooooooooooooo great for You
yeah, sadly they're not marketing towards many of us, but the sheer mountain of numbers that the Kodak Ektar H35 is pushing. Eventually we'll get a more legitimate camera for seasoned film photographers.
@@metalfingersfilm really that Ektar camera is selling so much ? I never see any one with it only some Yt films
absolutely no offense but I find it interesting that you say this camera is not for most of your viewers. I think you have a lot more beginner viewers than you think! I'm also, personally, primarily a point-and-shoot user so this camera feels like perfect step up from that. when I can afford it lol all my cameras cost like 15$
Still a little disappointed by the half frame lol i just don't like vertical photos as much
I hope it at least won't come with a cheap plastic body though and retains some of the old SLR/Rangefinder retro style ...otherwise I just stick to my Canon AE-1 Program
We’re all disappointed, but making an entry level camera is the smartest thing they could’ve done.
The x100VI just broke pre-order records & there’s a reason why: it looks fun & not intimidating to non photographers. If Pentax can make something with that kind of appeal, the photography project will be off to a good start.
Yeah bingo, get funding, get interest in the brand, get the camera in some reliable, young focused retail stores, and use that to create something legit.
I just hope this doesnt turn into the koak super 8 camera. I.e. comes out 7 years later and is $5k
Hahaha, you and me both.
Guess I'll be sticking to the classics. Doesn't sound like anything I'd be interested in.
While any new film camera is exciting, I think making something for a broader market is a mistake. (watch The Extinction of GoPro for another example of this) By prioritizing mass appeal, they risk alienating those who require or want a more nuanced higher-end camera. I'm personally disappointed we'll potentially have to wait a lot longer for Pentax to release a serious film camera. But it's nice to see them on this path none the less.
Completely disagree, film needs more people shooting it to keep it alive and affordable. Half frame makes sense as it’s portrait so is perfect for social media. Also keeps running costs down for newbies. There’s hundreds of gorgeous SLRs out there already, is there anything a new slr would do that an F6 can’t? I’m glad they’re investing in a good half frame camera rather than the plastic ‘redisposables’ launched recently. If it’s good it might even replace my Olympus Pen EES.
I’m excited about the prospect of new full frame point and shoots and SLRs in the future but it’s 100% the right move to start with something aimed at a broader market.
I disagree as well. Compared to any other film camera manufacturer, who are also not creating new film cameras, they are at least trying and have a dedicated outlined plan to get to a "serious film camera". What is the alternative? No new film cameras for anyone at all? Pentax is already a dead company, so risking alienation to re-vitalize the company is a no-brainer, imo.
bingo @@AnalogFilmDiary
so many of my friends don't know how to buy film cameras off FB marketplace, craigslist, eBay Japan, etc. The thought of walking into an Urban Outfitters and buying a camera, or ordering one off Amazon would be very appealing for many younger people.
ahh not a fan of half frames :(
There are literally thousands of great used film cameras available for very little.
I think that is missing the point.
I was also disappointed initially but then I discovered copium.
COPIUM
no one likes half frame
you got that right. this idea seems so ridiculous. why make a niche camera instead of a great film camera that would appeal to a larger set of customers? to me it would be smarter if Pentax just refurbishes its old film cameras and lenses.
The pentax is bloody crazy expensive and the h35n is an overpriced plastic toy.