While it is the first time that I saw someone using a kettle for milk, I do not find the idea weird, but kind of smart. If it does not damage the inside.
Film could be to photography like vinyl records are to music. A comeback… an expensive hobby but something worth exploring… especially for the newer generations who didn’t grow up with it. I support it.
I am just crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. Film and Film cameras just bring me unparrellel joy and satisfaction that I just can't find in digital.
The joy of a huge contrast model plastered on the wall illuminated brightly for all to see! And then asked, who did that? And just as quickly snapped back, I DID! YOU DONT GET THAT SENCE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT FROM A BABOON COMPUTER DERRIVED IMAGE. IT JUST DONT HANG WELL DUDE!
Having just got back in to film photography after a gap nearly 20 years. I am hoping it stays around. One of the potential threats is manufacturers thinking the potential market is bigger than it actually is, expanding too rapidly, over producing and being unsustainable. As appears to have happened on the cycling industry post 2020. For producers who realise the market is niche and are focused on the needs of creative amateurs there should be a future.
Same just picked up the old F80 and bought an FE, and have just got my darkroom happening again, I forgot how much fun it is to do it all yourself. Keep on shooting film
I read Fuji 35mm 200 color film is just rebranded Kodak 200 gold. I don’t mind except I just bought a 3 pack of Kodak gold for $300 instead of 3 pack of Fuji for $22 lol
It's the death of digital photography, there is also a huge movement away from AI with photographers beginning to charge a premium for authentic work untouched by any AI.
This is a good point. I think that we will start to see people tire of overly manipulated images as AI generated images saturate the market. The backlash will create more desire for truly analog art. I wish we could go back to shooting on film, developing, and enlarging on photographic paper as a standard way of getting pictures onto the walls of our homes again. No over reliance on fixing the scan in post.
I’m a perfect example of this. I started on digital 9 months ago. Got an F3 a week ago and I’m hooked. It’s making me slow down and actually think about what I’m shooting since every shot costs money.
Though my photography has slowed down a bit, I still shoot film as well as digital. I like my cameras, I like taking pictures, I like the whole process and hope film continues the up-tic in popularity. All I can do is take pictures and have prints made.
Last week I got an email from Mint letting me know I was on the waitlist for the first 500 Rollei 35AF they will be releasing prior to general release. It’s surprising how committed are companies like these to preserve the film photography industry. Let’s hope this year makes it instead of ruining it.
Lets not forget there is a whole generation that have yet to discover film photography! My grandson who grew up in a digital world is fascinated by my film cameras 📷 He watches me load a camera with film and I can hear the cogs turning in his brain 🧠 He still asks to see the back when I take a photo 📸 😁 I recently sold an old lumix digicam to a lady in her early 20s and was surprised she'd never used a dedicated camera before.... I guess a lot of people her age only understand a 'camera' as an app on their phone! I had to show her how the shutter button works and the intricacies of a 'viewfinder' 😲😳 She was so intrigued by her 'new' camera, I didn't dare mention my film cameras.....less is more...she'll discover it for herself soon enough I'm sure on tiktok, as that is where she discovered 'digicams'....😁👍
Still shooting film alongside digital, i think although neiche film will continue, and may have a small comeback, a little like vinyl records, i would love to see a full frame 35 mm interchangeable slr, but don't know how likely that is?
I’ve been shooting since 1979 as a teen. I never really gave it up and tried to transition to dig but I just couldn’t commit 100% to dig. Now I’m around 50/50 but I prefer to do SOOC in digital. Straight out of camera pictures
I just got into analog film with my Praktica MTL3 and 500T film, i hope the hobby experiences a Renaissance, cause shooting digital doesn't have the same feeling
Mastering film photography the skill sets stay. I doubt digital fakers gear will outlive analog film cameras or negs. Negatives don't crash or have bad pixels.
Want to know what will kill film? It is really easy answer - and the answer isn't digital cameras. Toxic communities and enthusiasts will kill film. The analog elitists are very, very vocal. Every video / forum post / social media post like this has the few comments about how "digital ruined film" or "haven't we had enough digital" comments by people who insist on making it a scenario of one versus the other. This is silly and outdated / ignorant mindset. Couple that with the dingleberries who try their hardest at gatekeeping (you know, the ones that say dumb sh*t like "well I was around when film was the only thing, and you digital people aren't real photogaphers" etc )or by talking down to digital photographers taking the leap into film - and it is a perfect recipe for self-destruction. I shoot both - and am heavily invested in film photography (35mm, 120, and 4x5) and I have noticed an increase in the amount of film cameras popping up in national (I was watching Sick Week which is a week long drag race/driving event - and there were people shown on the livesteam with film cameras shooting,) local events, and local groups. Specifically film SLRs/rangefinders, etc being used in conjunction with digital. This is the answer - support people trying out film and ADDING it to their existing kit. Making it a "this or that" scenario isn't the way. More people buying digital - and getting into the hobby WILL lead to more people shooting film.
People are comparing the incomparable. These are different methods of imaging, with very different results. What I personally don´t like is the fact that many of the younger folks are not aware of the possibilities of darkroom printing. I mean both black & white and color. I do understand there are many possibilities you can achieve with digital post production, but it seems to me that many of the younger generation enthusiasts are simply unaware of the darkroom, or think it is much harder than it is, and not worth trying. For me, it is as important part of the craft as is shooting pictures. I don´t fully get the idea that people take for granted that the digital image is the desired goal of all your work in all photography. And no, there is no reason for discrediting digital imaging.
I just got into film photography and I'm starting to feel the vibe that it's picking up steam. Just from the talks I've had in my local camera shop I'm hoping it means this new hobby I've been seriously enjoying pans out.
I shot film for the first time on my Pentax auto 110, which I got together with 3 lenses, a donor camera, the auto winder, flash and a vintage camera bag for 20$. I originally got it for the lenses which I have adapted to my Ricoh GXR with great success. After years of having the film camera gather dust I decided to buy some lomography film and brought it with me on my Norway to Spain road trip. 3 rolls of 24 shots. The process was easy, it's an auto 110; but I'm still waiting on having the film developed. I sent it about one week ago. If it works out I'm likely to keep shooting a lot more film. 💖 Shots definitely mattered more, I didn't stop to wonder if I should take a shot or not; but I definitely only gave each shot one try.
As wonderful and convenient as digital photography is, the cost and obsolescence of digital cameras every year is what’s killing the industry. Buy a good film camera and it will last for years and keep money in your pocket.
I think the comeback of film is related to something even bigger. You never realize how precious someone or something is until you don't have them anymore. What happened to the days when you took a picture because it would be of something you not only shared with others but wanted to remember for years to come? That's what film photography is about.
Great video! I'm looking to add more film into my photography practice rotation and I hope that the prices for film level out enough for me to keep up the practice.
As long as we creators keep supporting each other, keep buying film and the companies keep creating stocks we can keep the medium hanging on for a little while longer
Do you have any idea how feature films and upcoming films were shot with film? Why it is people think it's dying is confusing to me. We live Ina time where either is an option, so why would one just die?
With digital, it's an uphill battle and even with it getting more popular, it's not anymore accessible than it was previously. I don't think film will "die" and just vanish, but moreso referring to the community that exists today will die. If film is only reserved for filmmakers and big budgets, it dissipates this whole community.
There is still much more demand for film than the manufacturers can produce. You still face limits how many rolls you can order, and most of the stocks are often in short supply. This does not indicate the market would dry completely in the near future. Market has changed, and film will never be a product used by everyone, but this does not mean it will be obsolete. Ordinary people shoot selfies with cell phones, but it doesn´t mean that making of oil colors for painters will be canceled next year. Why this crying for 25 years now? Film has not disappeared, and is not disappearing in the near future.
I agree - They are testing the market and finding ways to get a return on investment. I love film and the entire process. It takes you back and slows you down to a simple way of enjoying the experience. Digital is great and it definitely has its place in my workflow, however, film is like a stop in time and brings you back to a special place...
The price of film going up so much each year and the lack of Fuji film are just adding to the end of film. I do mainly colour film and process it my self. But Tetanal chemicals have not been on the shop shelves for a very long time. And the ones that are cost a lot more than Tetanal. Black and white film seem to be doing well. But but there’s no repairs for the old medium format, and 35 mm cameras anymore, and no new ones coming on the market to replace them
What the young folks don´t realize is that film costing almost nothing was a very short period of time when the digital technology became widely available. In the golden age of film, the professional quality stocks were not cheap. This is especially true of slide film. The digital technology being affordable to the crowds, and the movie industry moving to digital at the same time lead to a price war between Kodak and Fuji, with the prices not being sustainable any more. As there will never be mass market for film products in the way it was before the digital age, there is no way around the higher prices. That said, the market shows some signs of leveling, but thr demand for film is still higher than the supply,
I wish they would sell their equipment, manufacturing gear, etc to a company who would try to bring some updated, unique stuff. As for repair shops, yeah, using my contax gets me nervous.
@@b6983832 while the cost of films were expensive, the development cost was not, with today's film price you could probably only develop one roll (in lab). 30 years ago one film price equals to development of 3-5 rolls, of course printing is different game but you can choose which frame to print. Not to mention there are a whole lot more choices for cheaper film stocks if you were not able to buy professional standard.
@@Resgerr I had my Leica M2 1959 restored in Wetzler. I was so happy that a camera manufacturer could still repair it. £1.300 I did have a lens looked over in the same price. I just wish we could all get together and try and make the parts that fall and learn how to repair them.
The biggest barrier with film is the cost of buying film and the processing. Add to that the issue of home scanning. I love shooting film. I have various film cameras from point and shoot to 6x7. Respect to Pentax. If they could make a decent scanner that would be handy.
This is a big reason why instant film, especially the Instax line, has been incredibly popular for years now. I'll take my Lomo Instant wide camera over most traditional film cameras. Medium format on a budget! and without the hassle/cost of developing. I'd die for a manual version of the camera.
I think this year could be a good year for film. Many of these companies need to understand that film is still a viable medium, and there is a consumer base for it-both professionally and nonprofessionally. Thanks for sharing sick an informative video!
I recently inherited an old AL-1 which was basically brand new. it belonged to my grandfather. shooting with vintage cameras is an experience that no modern standalone camera or phone can replicate.
135 film is here to stay. Volumes have fallen 85X since it peaked in 2001 but it is now growing and supply chains which managed decline for 20 years are relearning how to understand demand. Pricing is becoming rational again, even if higher. On top of that, the scale of making base, gelatins, and the requirement for new surfactants has caused further consolidation and elimination of film stocks. Many "illegal" chemicals were grandfathered and those clauses have now expired, so the stocks that remain have been reformulated to meet new requirements. Unfortunately, that meant some shortages, and reduced options and higher prices. Fujifilm, Kodak, Harman, and ORWO are investing (and working together to some extent, like they always have). Will old stocks come back? Not likely, they are not "legal"... Will new ones emerge? You are already seeing it and will continue but companies will be cautious and deliberate so inventories don't eat cash. Emulsions are incredibly expensive to create! Phoenix was a "pilot" product to get feedback from small batches as evidence. GO FILM!
Good to see this video. I have a closet of older 35mm Leica, cannon, Pentex and more I have not done anything with. I have a freezer full of old 35mm film of all speeds a brother in-law left when he passed away. Be nice to sell some since I may never use it all. Good info!
Glad I watched this. That Astrhori light meter is coming home ASAP. In addition, I think the landscape is in a great space. So many people are jumping in and adding great things. It's dope to see so many companies actually taking notice as well. I think we'll see a doubled down efforts from the bigger companies going into next year.
Definitely interested in both Pentax and Mint's new cameras. And am working to keep some cash available if either seems compelling enough to buy. I did just buy another new film camera; an Intrepid 4x5 Mk5 was delivered to me last friday. I don't shoot much 35mm film lately but I will be trying any new 35mm offerings I see this year. With a strong preference for any BW films. Film photography has a bit of momentum right now and if we can keep that going it will be good for the consumer and the industry. I hope.
Agreed with the momentum notion most definitely, gotta keep supporting while it's hot to keep it going. I need to get a large format camera, but I've been recently falling more in love with 35mm, so who knows when that will be, haha.
What you say makes sense, and this was a good video. One thing I love about film cameras is there is no such thing as the "upgrade" treadmill that is present in digital. I've got an F100. There is no F200, and I don't care. I have an FM for when I want total basics, and Bronica and Mamiya when I want 120. Film and lab processing ARE expensive, no question. Bulk loading is cheaper, and you can process at home--that's you, not me. Incidentally the news on Leica is very good. They appear to have sold one $10,000 camera in 2015, but 10 of them in 2023. 😇
I used to like my film cameras albeit fairly low end ones but stores who used to sell film here in the UK stopped stocking film when digital came along and they have not gone back since. The only way to purchase film nowadays seems to be through a small amount of online sellers, the prices for the film and processing is very high. In regards to film cameras and film stock/processing it may go the same way as in the musical instrument industry where tube driven amps become a bit of niche market for devotees of these type of amps, there is now only a handful of that of companies still making vacuum tubes. The current market seems to be digital processing units which approximate very closely to the sound of a tube amp. Also some companies have tried to re introduce cassette players but they have found that it is not viable due to the huge manufacturing and production costs to produce quality units. Some smaller companies had ago recently ;but found that the tape mechanisms were just not manufactured as good as they used to be. It will be interesting to see if film makes a comeback, but as you say like anything demand will be the governing factor along with cost to the consumer. I have seen some really good examples photos that are film like in appearance produced by the older digital camera's that used ccd sensors.
I have just got back into film. I recently bought a Nikon F100 and two zoom lens. Looking to add prime lens. This is a big upgrade from my Canon F1. Film I am now using is ASA 400 color. Just bought Wolfen NC400 Color Negative Film. I was looking at HARMAN Phoenix. But it was out of stock at B&H. So I shoot about one to two rolls of film a month. and sent it out to a lab for scans and prints like the old days. I bought the Canon A-1 new early 80's. 👴 Pentax film camera I am hoping for the M-42 lens mount. I have a fewM-42 lens. I could always adapt I think it is going to be the k mount.
I've seen the so-called renaissance of vinyl, cassette tapes, and now film. While I want to remain optimistic, I see it as the "last hurrah" of film. I don't think it is going away entirely, since there is such a large amount of enthusiasts. But It will become an even more niche market. I want to be wrong. I love analogue stuff, but most of the world doesn't.
Not to mention how much water is used in processing film and the chemicals going down the drain. Tere is some nasty chemicals associated with film processing
@@JohnH242 all the energy wasted storing petabytes of raw files forever that nobody will ever look at vs 36 photos getting developed once. also the electronic waste of new versions of camers getting released yearly vs the same old nikon fm2 that has been working for 40 years.
@@KaptainKerl yes energy is used storing the files ideally you would be deleting unwanted photos . However petabytes of raw files is a lot of 36 exposure rolls which mean a lot of toxic chemicals to produce the film and develop. I’m not sure what is worse
The revival of cassette was dead on arrival, because the last good cassette player factories closed decades ago, and the only factory still running makes a single cheap Chinese model, so any cassette player built on 2010 onward can only be the same cheap model in a different housing. Similarly, unless artists recording new cassettes know about this and look for a good old school tape recorder, they will inevitably and unknowingly try to record their albums with one of these models too. Which means most people trying cassette for the first time inevitably gets one of these, is put off by the abysmal quality, and then never tries it again. Vinyl has a better chance because audiophiles made sure that it would never completely die off.
I got back in to film after finding the my Rollei B35 I first took to sea as a junior Engineer in the late 70s, in the loft. I love the process I’ve really got back into the joy of photography again. Since then I’ve acquired a Rollei 35 S and an Olympus OM 2n and an OM 2SP I’m shooting B&W on the Rollei’s but colour with Olympus cameras.
Hope this trend will give us something digital like that classic Epson with a sensor closer to ccd and analogue look in mind. Camera companies could probably do a better job recreating the film look but they had focus on perfection and megapixels.
I don’t want to sound kinda pessimistic but hey, enjoy what you have. Sometimes we think we are in a tight box and nothing bright is happening. Film expensive, camera’s getting more expensive, yeah that’s true. But after russia invaded my country sometimes I dream about those complaints to be honest. It’s cheaper to order kodak film from US than buying locally in Ukraine and from the beginning of the full scale invasion my film cameras have seen some of the worst things in this world. And I also have lost a close friend of mine who was a passionate film photographer Roman Solonynka. So don’t think it’s too dark outside and enjoy what you have in life. Because everything can change. Love you all
I think this year is big year for film. However, I don't think film will die off. In a world where everything is at your fingertips, people yearn more for material media. There is something more tangible and beautiful about looking through a photo album instead photos on a phone, or playing an old record instead of playing iTunes. It's the process. Yes, technology is amazing but film is beautiful. Pulling your favourite record off the shelf and touching the needle to the vinyl is calming. I think film and digital will come together more and more and in interesting ways, satisfying the love for both mediums.
I like film, and digital. When I moved to a new town I couldn't find a film developer anywhere. I had to switch to digital, because of the convenience of getting more work done. I had choices of having 24 photos on film, or 1,000 photos if I wanted them. Upload them on to the card reader, and they are there ready to be save on flashdrives.
When I was at my local camera store yesterday (picking some film developed there) there was actually a queue to by film! Everyone in that queue was 30 or under. Film won't die if Harman's color emulsion doesn't take off. My advice is try something new, don't just stick to HP-5+ and Portra 400! Each emulsion is unique so experiment! Also learn how to develop your own film at home. It's not difficult and you'll save money to buy more film.
If the film companies can actually deliver the product it will be a great year. How many waiting lists for film have I seen this year? - quite a few 😕.
I'm not worried about the future of the film that much. What I am concerned about are papers. I do develop my photos in the old way, no scanning, no instagram, just to create the little physical artifacts. There I'm not sure whether there will be enough market.
Nice video! I purchased a film camera last month, which is capable of mounting my Canon EF Lenses, which I'm using on my digital Canon, too... Film has some nice characteristics, which is is kind of unique to me...
In current environment a film foto still needs to be digitalized to be usable in global sense. So there is "true analog" anymore. I am still enjoying analog as "deceleration" - it forces one to take fewer pictures and engage more with every single scene. Anticipation before developing film is a nice addition too. Especially when developing myself in the kitchen sink. I don't see a technical reason for it though - so don't expect it to grow beyond hipster - limit.
I've been saving up so that I can buy any new film cameras to be released. I am not personally interested in compact point and shoots, but this is the start. If they sell enough we can get more (maybe) and that's the goal. I just got my Linhof "Baby Color" (Linhof 6x7) and will be using that as my main travel camera along with my FM2/T. Lastly, in regards to the Color '92, this is my favorite color neg stock. Absolutely lovely film.
Informative video. Thanks. Film has always offered a great value for what it is. I've been pulling old negatives from my archives for a future exhibit. These negatives are from the late 70s and yet still in great shape because I took care of them. Maintaining a negative archive is a chore, you need the space for it, the time, archival materials, but it's a format that keeps returning value. It's warmer (emotionally) handling the negatives than digital file formats like flash drives or photo CDs (which are going extinct -- case in point). 40 years from now, will it be so easy to track down and work with your saved digital images? Maybe? Are the pros backing up supposedly 7 times? File formats will be updated, memory cards have their own challenges, certain formats can degrade (I think the Getty photo archive had to upgrade many years ago because of this). Digital is amazing, don't get me wrong, and I too shoot with it. Another commenter wisely suggested that film is still quite important for larger image sizes. Like the RB67s I have -- I'd spend a fortune trying to match that in digital format. I do wish 220 rolls would come back in a limited way -- it was so great to be able to shoot so much medium format without reloading. Also, when you shoot an image digitally, it's not going to get any higher resolution than how you shot it. But a negative can be scanned to a very high resolution (provided the original image supports it). Thoughts?
I quit film last year ever since I got my Fujifilm X100v that has film simulation recipes that emulates the film look. Sometimes I shoot with my Sony a7iii and edit the film look in Lightroom. Sure it’s not as even close as to actual film. But I can live with that. Film stock prices are just ridiculous.
The film industry needs to tackle the real issue - A Digital Darkroom. Crafting a flawless photograph involves significant work in 3 parts。Let’s take B&W film photography as an example, 3 key elements contribute to a perfect print: Capturing (the image), Developing (the film), Printing (Finalize on Paper which is the most crucial part). While developing film at home isn’t the challenge, the hurdle lies in scanning & printing. Unless a solution emerges and revolutionizes the printing process, concerns about film longevity persist.
I have six film cameras. Seven if you count the Pentax SFX I'll never use again. Latest is a street-tastic Rollei 35 S. Film is def more expensive these days. In the UK, HP5 is around £8/36; about $10. It was £5 not so long ago. I'd love m/fs to start making film cameras again. It'll only get harder to maintain old kit. Film is such a refreshing change to the tech obsession pervading digital. While tech has its place in pro use for sport and the like, film is a reminder that it's not the equipment that makes the image; it's about observation; composition; timing; knowledge of the equipment. Is that not what photography is, actually?
Digital has turned out to be a pretty good recording medium, and incredibly cheap to use. The big shortfall with digital, IMO, is that the digital cameras have never matched the shooting culture, character, class, or build quality of the all metal, all mechanical cameras of the past. I think of Leica M, Nikon F, F2, F3, Canon F1, Hasselblad 500c, Pentax Spotmatic, Nikomat, Nikkormat, etc.
Thank you for the interesting video.:) I guess film will always have a loyal fanbase, there might be a concentration on certain brands and maybe slightly more pricey. But I got hope for a film future as well. Im 23 r.n., startet out on a DSLR and shifted to film in 2023. So speaking for my demographic, analog has something therapeuthic in a digitalised world. Especially with AI Images on the rise, film/analog photography might be an attractive polar opposite (at least that drew me here^^). Lets all hope for the return of handmade, true analog photography.
The Super 8 camera from Kodak is wildly priced but I also kind of get it. The current effective market for that camera would be small and the people who would want it most would probably be shooting video as a business (wedding videographers, filmmakers, etc). Also rentals are big for small-budget filmmaking so companies will buy them to lend out. Kodak is pricing it like the niche product it is. But I'm interested to see how it performs overall...
I used to see a lot of film images on my instagram. I followed a few, but seems to lost it all. I remembered a few account and when i stalked them, it seems like its been over a year since they last upload the photos. What is going on?
IMO if analog photography still makes sense today is mostly for large and very large format because that's the only area in which you'd get a measurable difference in the final product with what you'd get from humanely affordable digital cameras. Shooting 35mm and scanning it pretending the result differs from their same format digital counterparts is just mojo-mindset.
The problem with film photography is not only the absurdly priced film, but it's harder to find places who develop it. No one wants to wait 3 weeks to see their photos. However, the hugely successful Instax line has shown there is still a big interest in film photography, and thats where the future lies IMO. It's by far Fuji's cash cow and dwarfs anything they make off their digital cameras. Problem is, most the instant film cameras are either cheap point and shoots or expensive MINT cameras, with no in between. Fuji, Polaroid or someone else needs to put out a couple instant film cameras with full manual controls in the $200-$400 price range. That would be a massive hit IMO.
The market for film photography is not with the general public any more. They are fine with their cellphones and entry level digital gear. In 1990´s, this segment bought the cheapest film from grocery stores to be used in cheapish automatic point & shoot cameras that were plentiful in the years just before digital imaging became affordable to the crowds. Nowadays. everybody has a "camera" in their cellphone, and there is no market for film for these people. It is, and will be more for enthusiasts and some segments of professionals. We are talking about more serious users than general public shooting their holiday pictures and the Christmas tree on the same roll. Many of these people will process their films by themselves - instead of waiting for 3 weeks. Others choose to let a professional lab make their pictures according to their wishes. "Walmart scans" are not for these people. Instax is an exception, because it is a cheap system sold mostly to the "selfie" crowd - especially in Fuji´s home market, Japan. It is very popular among teenage girls there - the selfie-TikTok crowd. For instant photography, I see more future for the point of the more serious photographer, in the possible return of Polaroid´s films producing paper prints with negatives peeled off instead of the envelope-style Polaroid and Instax systems aimed mostly to the general public. Prices of film have risen, but what many people forget, that the prices 10.15 years ago were at all-time low because a price war, and assumption of film dying in few years. Equipment such as film cameras and enlargers were sold for almost nothing, as "everything was digital". Did not happen, and I don´t see any reason for that happening any time soon. The market is different from the heyday of film. but the 20 years of talking about film dying is not going to happen. Although people protest, and say I don´t get the point, I mean by film photography not just film, but also other aspects of analog photography - chemistry, papers, enlargers, darkroom equipment, slide projectors and so on. It is not only color film which is sent to a commercial lab for scanning, and receiving digital files. You can´t make the esthetics of a silver print - either B&W or color, with an inkjet printer. Even less so if the medium is the screen of a cell phone. I am not saying that everything digital is bad, but it is not all you could do with film. Invention of photography did not kill painting with oil colors, and digital imaging is not killing the analog methods in photography. We are talking about different methods that produce different results. They won´t exclude the other.
And the price of having a camera CLA’d/the unknown condition of the gear you’re purchasing. It could happen with digital cameras, and digital cameras need to be serviced too, but I’ve purchased analog cameras that looked good on the outside, but were the opposite internally. Throw in a roll of film, the cost of processing, and potentially losing priceless images…it’s been enough that I’ve been like, ok, maybe I’ll stick with digital instead
My biggest gripe is film prices. Having said that. There seems to be some quite exciting new films arriving on the market though. So I am prepared for the sticker shock. I do have a local lab however that customer service reminds me of the Seinfeld skit "No Soup For You" or IG's Indian guy with his lentil slop. I won't need that lap for much anyway. I'm prepared to do the work. Ferrania P30 will be my first try out. HP5 plus, and Tri-x will be my go too. Ilford Phoenix sounds very interesting.
The enthusiasm for film photography is increasing, while the film stock can’t keep up…. So the price is increasing… i dont want to buy such a high price of film, not worth it… photography can be enjoyed in digital also, it’s all about the process
I love taking photos on film and I enjoy the feeling of using old cameras, but unfortunately in the last months I stopped using film because of the price increase of film. The prices are way to big compared to the income in my country..but I will never sell my cameras.
I think that the more Ai takes over digital, the more many people will move toward a technology that is human. That is going to be analog and physical. I think film companies are going to be selling more and making bigger profits. It's going to bring competition and prices will stabilize. I bought my first slr camera in 1985 and film seemed expensive then.
Let first say that I have a soft spot for film. Having said that I find that I take MUCH better images with digital than I ever did with film. The only film I will likely ever shoot again will be helping my niece shoot a few rolls with the Rollie TLR of my dad's that I gave her. It was hard to give it away, but I would rather someone in the family was actually using it, than it sitting in my drawer gathering dust.
I’ve been taking film pictures since 1966…. And there are more film choices now than 30 years ago… Pentax just released a new film camera… Leica’s still making them…. There’s a new Rollei 35… There are millions of working film cameras out there… Dunno - Film photography is alive and well. I’d update my digital kit IF and Only If, the B&W medium looked better than B&W film… the dynamic range is not quite there. Digi in color looks great… All can co-exist…
for the sake of creating 'art images' the celluloid' should be available.. still keep old 'Pentax 6x6' which has particular brand name and the model design was the proto type of Nikon F professional series which also in my collection such F1 with detachable view finder.. those antique slr cameras was acquired arround year of 2k..😊
I love Scanning negatives that I have shot since 50 years when I first pickup a camera. I enjoyed my film cameras, and YES I know that film cost money $$$$, But you cannot stopped a person that is a lover of Film Photography, And I also enjoy using Vintage film camera lenses onto digital since I have been saving money in buying NEW Nikkor lenses that are now made in Thailand, and DO NOT WANT TO PAY $2000 to 4000 dollars since I am very comfortable in the lens line that I have and also using adapters, and setting the camera of the lens information as it is still a photographic lens, and has better qualities, and makes you THINK to take a photo.... But that is my opinion..... 📸📸
For film cameras to succeed, there has to be film. For film to succeed, there has to be cameras. Hopefully the film & camera companies are talking to each other and sharing marketing and technical data. That’s essential!
I like that we’re getting new cameras but we don’t need that. We need faster dedicated scanners! All the scanners are outdated and super slow which is why I dslr scan. I don’t care if people say flatbed scanners are superior. I’m not interested in spending a hour scanning 5 images.
The people that are in it right now will continue to use film for many years. If prices don't drop, it's going to continue to be a niche hobby, but it's definitely not going to die
I predict, given the expense of new digital cameras and lenses, film will make a big comeback. Perfectly functional existing film cameras and lenses can be had for very inexpensive prices. That, and the film aesthetic is still appealing. I still shoot film in 35, medium, mid and large formats for customers who want film.
@jeannebelmondo That, and there is an increasing demand for film again and the big camera companies don't want that. All in all, I'd rather shoot 4x5 and larger sheet film at $20 per frame if I need to exceed the resolution specs for a given shoot.
Agreed. To be fair, same can be said about some digital cameras too though. You can get a solid digital camera that can do professional level video and photo work for like $500, which imo isn't too bad considering the doors it would open potentially. But yes, compared to a $50 SLR, one is obviously much cheaper.
today I learned milk in a kettle is not normal 😂 i'm an idiot
While it is the first time that I saw someone using a kettle for milk, I do not find the idea weird, but kind of smart. If it does not damage the inside.
HAHAH I nearly spat out my coffee when I saw that. glad to see I'm not the only one
Heating milk is common overseas
@@buddymiles7210but in a pan! Not a kettle
@@DRURIDof course it isn't smart. You have to scrub out the inside of the kettle every time.
I just take pictures and enjoy it.
You nailed it.
agreed, just an interesting discussion I thought was worth having.
@@metalfingersfilm your discussions are always interesting and thoughtful thats why I am here
coudnt have described myself any better haha :)
no shit... thats literally what we ALL do
Film could be to photography like vinyl records are to music. A comeback… an expensive hobby but something worth exploring… especially for the newer generations who didn’t grow up with it. I support it.
I am just crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. Film and Film cameras just bring me unparrellel joy and satisfaction that I just can't find in digital.
agreed, especially compared to a phone as well.
@@phillipbanes5484
If you don’t know you probably wouldn’t understand.
The joy of a huge contrast model plastered on the wall illuminated brightly for all to see! And then asked, who did that? And just as quickly snapped back, I DID! YOU DONT GET THAT SENCE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT FROM A BABOON COMPUTER DERRIVED IMAGE. IT JUST DONT HANG WELL DUDE!
Film will be gone and we'll all be left hanging on meat hooks wondering what hit us!
@@ChrisEbbrsenFilm is not that hard to make. So someone will make it. At least in 35mm and 120.
I just got into 35mm photography and 16mm filmmaking, I’m making sure this shit stays
yes sir, you and me both, haha.
Having just got back in to film photography after a gap nearly 20 years. I am hoping it stays around. One of the potential threats is manufacturers thinking the potential market is bigger than it actually is, expanding too rapidly, over producing and being unsustainable. As appears to have happened on the cycling industry post 2020. For producers who realise the market is niche and are focused on the needs of creative amateurs there should be a future.
Bingo, hoping this year can be a realistic growth measure for some of the big dogs.
Same just picked up the old F80 and bought an FE, and have just got my darkroom happening again, I forgot how much fun it is to do it all yourself. Keep on shooting film
At the moment the film companies are under producing.
I just wish Fuji would sell their film stuff to either Ilford or Kodak so we can get rebranded but new stocks of Pro 400 H, etc.
honestly that would be best case scenario
@@phillipbanes5484I mean, considering the recent release of Harman Phoenix 200...
I read Fuji 35mm 200 color film is just rebranded Kodak 200 gold. I don’t mind except I just bought a 3 pack of Kodak gold for $300 instead of 3 pack of Fuji for $22 lol
That was $30 bucks for the Kodak , not $300 hahaha
It's the death of digital photography, there is also a huge movement away from AI with photographers beginning to charge a premium for authentic work untouched by any AI.
This is a good point. I think that we will start to see people tire of overly manipulated images as AI generated images saturate the market. The backlash will create more desire for truly analog art.
I wish we could go back to shooting on film, developing, and enlarging on photographic paper as a standard way of getting pictures onto the walls of our homes again. No over reliance on fixing the scan in post.
100% Image Capture is Authentically human!
I could not agree more.
I hope so
I’m a perfect example of this. I started on digital 9 months ago. Got an F3 a week ago and I’m hooked. It’s making me slow down and actually think about what I’m shooting since every shot
costs money.
Though my photography has slowed down a bit, I still shoot film as well as digital. I like my cameras, I like taking pictures, I like the whole process and hope film continues the up-tic in popularity. All I can do is take pictures and have prints made.
Agreed. Thanks for watching, Mark!
Last week I got an email from Mint letting me know I was on the waitlist for the first 500 Rollei 35AF they will be releasing prior to general release.
It’s surprising how committed are companies like these to preserve the film photography industry. Let’s hope this year makes it instead of ruining it.
Awesome! I'm trying to get one for a video on the channel, haha.
@@metalfingersfilm I’m sure you’ll get one. You have a broad audience that they can get their eyes on 🤝
Did this dude just use a kettle to heat up milk?
peak hipster. lol
well, just learned this is not a normal thing. glad I publicly outed myself lmao
nah, I'm just dumb lmao
@@gavinjenkins899 milk has natural sugars in it and those things get burnt
Totally normal to heat up milk...
Lets not forget there is a whole generation that have yet to discover film photography!
My grandson who grew up in a digital world is fascinated by my film cameras 📷
He watches me load a camera with film and I can hear the cogs turning in his brain 🧠
He still asks to see the back when I take a photo 📸 😁
I recently sold an old lumix digicam to a lady in her early 20s and was surprised she'd never used a dedicated camera before....
I guess a lot of people her age only understand a 'camera' as an app on their phone!
I had to show her how the shutter button works and the intricacies of a 'viewfinder' 😲😳
She was so intrigued by her 'new' camera, I didn't dare mention my film cameras.....less is more...she'll discover it for herself soon enough I'm sure on tiktok, as that is where she discovered 'digicams'....😁👍
Still shooting film alongside digital, i think although neiche film will continue, and may have a small comeback, a little like vinyl records, i would love to see a full frame 35 mm interchangeable slr, but don't know how likely that is?
I’ve been shooting since 1979 as a teen. I never really gave it up and tried to transition to dig but I just couldn’t commit 100% to dig. Now I’m around 50/50 but I prefer to do SOOC in digital. Straight out of camera pictures
I just got into analog film with my Praktica MTL3 and 500T film, i hope the hobby experiences a Renaissance, cause shooting digital doesn't have the same feeling
Mastering film photography the skill sets stay. I doubt digital fakers gear will outlive analog film cameras or negs. Negatives don't crash or have bad pixels.
Want to know what will kill film? It is really easy answer - and the answer isn't digital cameras. Toxic communities and enthusiasts will kill film. The analog elitists are very, very vocal. Every video / forum post / social media post like this has the few comments about how "digital ruined film" or "haven't we had enough digital" comments by people who insist on making it a scenario of one versus the other. This is silly and outdated / ignorant mindset. Couple that with the dingleberries who try their hardest at gatekeeping (you know, the ones that say dumb sh*t like "well I was around when film was the only thing, and you digital people aren't real photogaphers" etc )or by talking down to digital photographers taking the leap into film - and it is a perfect recipe for self-destruction. I shoot both - and am heavily invested in film photography (35mm, 120, and 4x5) and I have noticed an increase in the amount of film cameras popping up in national (I was watching Sick Week which is a week long drag race/driving event - and there were people shown on the livesteam with film cameras shooting,) local events, and local groups. Specifically film SLRs/rangefinders, etc being used in conjunction with digital. This is the answer - support people trying out film and ADDING it to their existing kit. Making it a "this or that" scenario isn't the way. More people buying digital - and getting into the hobby WILL lead to more people shooting film.
People are comparing the incomparable. These are different methods of imaging, with very different results. What I personally don´t like is the fact that many of the younger folks are not aware of the possibilities of darkroom printing. I mean both black & white and color. I do understand there are many possibilities you can achieve with digital post production, but it seems to me that many of the younger generation enthusiasts are simply unaware of the darkroom, or think it is much harder than it is, and not worth trying. For me, it is as important part of the craft as is shooting pictures. I don´t fully get the idea that people take for granted that the digital image is the desired goal of all your work in all photography. And no, there is no reason for discrediting digital imaging.
No, film is not dead, and never dies.
I just got into film photography and I'm starting to feel the vibe that it's picking up steam. Just from the talks I've had in my local camera shop I'm hoping it means this new hobby I've been seriously enjoying pans out.
Agreed, momentum is humming this year, gotta make sure, we keep it up!
I shot film for the first time on my Pentax auto 110, which I got together with 3 lenses, a donor camera, the auto winder, flash and a vintage camera bag for 20$. I originally got it for the lenses which I have adapted to my Ricoh GXR with great success. After years of having the film camera gather dust I decided to buy some lomography film and brought it with me on my Norway to Spain road trip. 3 rolls of 24 shots.
The process was easy, it's an auto 110; but I'm still waiting on having the film developed. I sent it about one week ago. If it works out I'm likely to keep shooting a lot more film. 💖
Shots definitely mattered more, I didn't stop to wonder if I should take a shot or not; but I definitely only gave each shot one try.
As wonderful and convenient as digital photography is, the cost and obsolescence of digital cameras every year is what’s killing the industry. Buy a good film camera and it will last for years and keep money in your pocket.
There was a notice that Kodak is dropping the price on Tri x, so that’s good news.
That is great news!
I think the comeback of film is related to something even bigger. You never realize how precious someone or something is until you don't have them anymore. What happened to the days when you took a picture because it would be of something you not only shared with others but wanted to remember for years to come? That's what film photography is about.
Great video! I'm looking to add more film into my photography practice rotation and I hope that the prices for film level out enough for me to keep up the practice.
As long as we creators keep supporting each other, keep buying film and the companies keep creating stocks we can keep the medium hanging on for a little while longer
Do you have any idea how feature films and upcoming films were shot with film? Why it is people think it's dying is confusing to me. We live Ina time where either is an option, so why would one just die?
With digital, it's an uphill battle and even with it getting more popular, it's not anymore accessible than it was previously. I don't think film will "die" and just vanish, but moreso referring to the community that exists today will die.
If film is only reserved for filmmakers and big budgets, it dissipates this whole community.
Agreed, if you are in a position to be able to support these companies, you should.
There is still much more demand for film than the manufacturers can produce. You still face limits how many rolls you can order, and most of the stocks are often in short supply. This does not indicate the market would dry completely in the near future. Market has changed, and film will never be a product used by everyone, but this does not mean it will be obsolete. Ordinary people shoot selfies with cell phones, but it doesn´t mean that making of oil colors for painters will be canceled next year. Why this crying for 25 years now? Film has not disappeared, and is not disappearing in the near future.
I agree - They are testing the market and finding ways to get a return on investment. I love film and the entire process. It takes you back and slows you down to a simple way of enjoying the experience. Digital is great and it definitely has its place in my workflow, however, film is like a stop in time and brings you back to a special place...
Yeah, something inherently nostalgic and special about only having 36 frames.
I'll return to this vid once i mentally get over the tea making bit.
An interesting day for me to stumble across this video. Loved this video.
The 🐐. Appreciate you watching, homie! 💌
The price of film going up so much each year and the lack of Fuji film are just adding to the end of film. I do mainly colour film and process it my self. But Tetanal chemicals have not been on the shop shelves for a very long time. And the ones that are cost a lot more than Tetanal.
Black and white film seem to be doing well.
But but there’s no repairs for the old medium format, and 35 mm cameras anymore, and no new ones coming on the market to replace them
What the young folks don´t realize is that film costing almost nothing was a very short period of time when the digital technology became widely available. In the golden age of film, the professional quality stocks were not cheap. This is especially true of slide film. The digital technology being affordable to the crowds, and the movie industry moving to digital at the same time lead to a price war between Kodak and Fuji, with the prices not being sustainable any more. As there will never be mass market for film products in the way it was before the digital age, there is no way around the higher prices. That said, the market shows some signs of leveling, but thr demand for film is still higher than the supply,
I wish they would sell their equipment, manufacturing gear, etc to a company who would try to bring some updated, unique stuff.
As for repair shops, yeah, using my contax gets me nervous.
@@b6983832 while the cost of films were expensive, the development cost was not, with today's film price you could probably only develop one roll (in lab).
30 years ago one film price equals to development of 3-5 rolls, of course printing is different game but you can choose which frame to print.
Not to mention there are a whole lot more choices for cheaper film stocks if you were not able to buy professional standard.
Well I can get my cameras repaired
@@Resgerr I had my Leica M2 1959 restored in Wetzler. I was so happy that a camera manufacturer could still repair it. £1.300 I did have a lens looked over in the same price.
I just wish we could all get together and try and make the parts that fall and learn how to repair them.
The biggest barrier with film is the cost of buying film and the processing. Add to that the issue of home scanning. I love shooting film. I have various film cameras from point and shoot to 6x7. Respect to Pentax. If they could make a decent scanner that would be handy.
This is a big reason why instant film, especially the Instax line, has been incredibly popular for years now. I'll take my Lomo Instant wide camera over most traditional film cameras. Medium format on a budget! and without the hassle/cost of developing. I'd die for a manual version of the camera.
Check out the frankinstax, or my video shooting it, I think it might deliver what you're looking for.
Yeah, a new film scanner that's affordable would be incredible.
If you bulk load your film and develop it yourself, the costs will come down considerably, you don’t need a darkroom, just a changing bag.
The camera from the movie is a kiev 4 if you were wondering
Jason just did a dope video about cameras in movies, haha!
I think this year could be a good year for film. Many of these companies need to understand that film is still a viable medium, and there is a consumer base for it-both professionally and nonprofessionally. Thanks for sharing sick an informative video!
I’m about to develop my first roll of 35mm film. What about film processing?
I think you're right, the investment in new technology and products for film is a HUGE indicator that film is here to stay.
I think come December/this time next year, we'll be able to tell what's worked, which will be interesting if nothing else, haha.
I recently inherited an old AL-1 which was basically brand new. it belonged to my grandfather. shooting with vintage cameras is an experience that no modern standalone camera or phone can replicate.
135 film is here to stay. Volumes have fallen 85X since it peaked in 2001 but it is now growing and supply chains which managed decline for 20 years are relearning how to understand demand. Pricing is becoming rational again, even if higher. On top of that, the scale of making base, gelatins, and the requirement for new surfactants has caused further consolidation and elimination of film stocks. Many "illegal" chemicals were grandfathered and those clauses have now expired, so the stocks that remain have been reformulated to meet new requirements. Unfortunately, that meant some shortages, and reduced options and higher prices. Fujifilm, Kodak, Harman, and ORWO are investing (and working together to some extent, like they always have). Will old stocks come back? Not likely, they are not "legal"... Will new ones emerge? You are already seeing it and will continue but companies will be cautious and deliberate so inventories don't eat cash. Emulsions are incredibly expensive to create! Phoenix was a "pilot" product to get feedback from small batches as evidence. GO FILM!
Good to see this video. I have a closet of older 35mm Leica, cannon, Pentex and more I have not done anything with. I have a freezer full of old 35mm film of all speeds a brother in-law left when he passed away. Be nice to sell some since I may never use it all. Good info!
Can’t forget about the widelux revival from Jeff and Susan bridges too! So stoked for this project.
Glad I watched this. That Astrhori light meter is coming home ASAP.
In addition, I think the landscape is in a great space. So many people are jumping in and adding great things. It's dope to see so many companies actually taking notice as well. I think we'll see a doubled down efforts from the bigger companies going into next year.
I have a pretty cool video reviewing it coming up. I've been really surprised by it! Hoping for a bigger 2025 as well!
Definitely interested in both Pentax and Mint's new cameras. And am working to keep some cash available if either seems compelling enough to buy.
I did just buy another new film camera; an Intrepid 4x5 Mk5 was delivered to me last friday.
I don't shoot much 35mm film lately but I will be trying any new 35mm offerings I see this year. With a strong preference for any BW films.
Film photography has a bit of momentum right now and if we can keep that going it will be good for the consumer and the industry. I hope.
Agreed with the momentum notion most definitely, gotta keep supporting while it's hot to keep it going.
I need to get a large format camera, but I've been recently falling more in love with 35mm, so who knows when that will be, haha.
What you say makes sense, and this was a good video. One thing I love about film cameras is there is no such thing as the "upgrade" treadmill that is present in digital. I've got an F100. There is no F200, and I don't care. I have an FM for when I want total basics, and Bronica and Mamiya when I want 120. Film and lab processing ARE expensive, no question. Bulk loading is cheaper, and you can process at home--that's you, not me. Incidentally the news on Leica is very good. They appear to have sold one $10,000 camera in 2015, but 10 of them in 2023. 😇
I used to like my film cameras albeit fairly low end ones but stores who used to sell film here in the UK stopped stocking film when digital came along and they have not gone back since. The only way to purchase film nowadays seems to be through a small amount of online sellers, the prices for the film and processing is very high. In regards to film cameras and film stock/processing it may go the same way as in the musical instrument industry where tube driven amps become a bit of niche market for devotees of these type of amps, there is now only a handful of that of companies still making vacuum tubes. The current market seems to be digital processing units which approximate very closely to the sound of a tube amp. Also some companies have tried to re introduce cassette players but they have found that it is not viable due to the huge manufacturing and production costs to produce quality units. Some smaller companies had ago recently ;but found that the tape mechanisms were just not manufactured as good as they used to be.
It will be interesting to see if film makes a comeback, but as you say like anything demand will be the governing factor along with cost to the consumer. I have seen some really good examples photos that are film like in appearance produced by the older digital camera's that used ccd sensors.
I have just got back into film. I recently bought a Nikon F100 and two zoom lens. Looking to add prime lens. This is a big upgrade from my Canon F1. Film I am now using is ASA 400 color. Just bought Wolfen NC400 Color Negative Film. I was looking at HARMAN Phoenix. But it was out of stock at B&H. So I shoot about one to two rolls of film a month. and sent it out to a lab for scans and prints like the old days. I bought the Canon A-1 new early 80's. 👴
Pentax film camera I am hoping for the M-42 lens mount. I have a fewM-42 lens. I could always adapt I think it is going to be the k mount.
I've seen the so-called renaissance of vinyl, cassette tapes, and now film. While I want to remain optimistic, I see it as the "last hurrah" of film. I don't think it is going away entirely, since there is such a large amount of enthusiasts. But It will become an even more niche market. I want to be wrong. I love analogue stuff, but most of the world doesn't.
Not to mention how much water is used in processing film and the chemicals going down the drain. Tere is some nasty chemicals associated with film processing
@@JohnH242 all the energy wasted storing petabytes of raw files forever that nobody will ever look at vs 36 photos getting developed once. also the electronic waste of new versions of camers getting released yearly vs the same old nikon fm2 that has been working for 40 years.
@@KaptainKerl yes energy is used storing the files ideally you would be deleting unwanted photos . However petabytes of raw files is a lot of 36 exposure rolls which mean a lot of toxic chemicals to produce the film and develop. I’m not sure what is worse
The revival of cassette was dead on arrival, because the last good cassette player factories closed decades ago, and the only factory still running makes a single cheap Chinese model, so any cassette player built on 2010 onward can only be the same cheap model in a different housing. Similarly, unless artists recording new cassettes know about this and look for a good old school tape recorder, they will inevitably and unknowingly try to record their albums with one of these models too.
Which means most people trying cassette for the first time inevitably gets one of these, is put off by the abysmal quality, and then never tries it again.
Vinyl has a better chance because audiophiles made sure that it would never completely die off.
I got back in to film after finding the my Rollei B35 I first took to sea as a junior Engineer in the late 70s, in the loft. I love the process I’ve really got back into the joy of photography again. Since then I’ve acquired a Rollei 35 S and an Olympus OM 2n and an OM 2SP I’m shooting B&W on the Rollei’s but colour with Olympus cameras.
Hope this trend will give us something digital like that classic Epson with a sensor closer to ccd and analogue look in mind. Camera companies could probably do a better job recreating the film look but they had focus on perfection and megapixels.
I don’t want to sound kinda pessimistic but hey, enjoy what you have. Sometimes we think we are in a tight box and nothing bright is happening. Film expensive, camera’s getting more expensive, yeah that’s true. But after russia invaded my country sometimes I dream about those complaints to be honest. It’s cheaper to order kodak film from US than buying locally in Ukraine and from the beginning of the full scale invasion my film cameras have seen some of the worst things in this world. And I also have lost a close friend of mine who was a passionate film photographer Roman Solonynka. So don’t think it’s too dark outside and enjoy what you have in life. Because everything can change. Love you all
Good perspective my friend, I appreciate your comment. My condolences for your friend. ❤️
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I think this year is big year for film. However, I don't think film will die off. In a world where everything is at your fingertips, people yearn more for material media. There is something more tangible and beautiful about looking through a photo album instead photos on a phone, or playing an old record instead of playing iTunes. It's the process. Yes, technology is amazing but film is beautiful. Pulling your favourite record off the shelf and touching the needle to the vinyl is calming. I think film and digital will come together more and more and in interesting ways, satisfying the love for both mediums.
I like film, and digital. When I moved to a new town I couldn't find a film developer anywhere. I had to switch to digital, because of the convenience of getting more work done. I had choices of having 24 photos on film, or 1,000 photos if I wanted them. Upload them on to the card reader, and they are there ready to be save on flashdrives.
Yeah, both have they applications. For me, swapping from digital to film, the limited nature of photos, made me much better at photography.
When I was at my local camera store yesterday (picking some film developed there) there was actually a queue to by film! Everyone in that queue was 30 or under. Film won't die if Harman's color emulsion doesn't take off. My advice is try something new, don't just stick to HP-5+ and Portra 400! Each emulsion is unique so experiment! Also learn how to develop your own film at home. It's not difficult and you'll save money to buy more film.
Keen to see the new Pentax for sure.
Agreed, really excited for it!
I've heard that it's going to be a half frame.
Film photography will stay, but not for everyone just as vinyl records are still alive and kicking.
do people boil milk in kettles than use it to make tea? is this normal? can we talk about this?
Not real milk
If the film companies can actually deliver the product it will be a great year. How many waiting lists for film have I seen this year? - quite a few 😕.
2024 could very well be the year of the strong return in film photography and out pacing digital photography given the resurgence of film.
Where can I find these little bits of news? I simply must find it!
Great video bro! Thanks for continuing to push the content 🤙🏻
Thanks for watching homie!
Have your shot anything on a 35 mm MOVIE camera ??
I'm not worried about the future of the film that much. What I am concerned about are papers. I do develop my photos in the old way, no scanning, no instagram, just to create the little physical artifacts. There I'm not sure whether there will be enough market.
last year I started developing myself and bulk loading. nothing kills film for me.
If there was a instant 4x5 B/W with negative like Polaroid 55 had I would go for it. If not then digital for me.
Nice video! I purchased a film camera last month, which is capable of mounting my Canon EF Lenses, which I'm using on my digital Canon, too... Film has some nice characteristics, which is is kind of unique to me...
Awesome! great use of resources to be able to use those lenses.
In current environment a film foto still needs to be digitalized to be usable in global sense. So there is "true analog" anymore. I am still enjoying analog as "deceleration" - it forces one to take fewer pictures and engage more with every single scene. Anticipation before developing film is a nice addition too. Especially when developing myself in the kitchen sink.
I don't see a technical reason for it though - so don't expect it to grow beyond hipster - limit.
I think it's grown beyond "hipster" limit, or is "hipster" now mainstream? lol
Rolls eyes at self-absorbed content. Vocal Fry. Milk in kettle. I'm out.
Durham Bull cap! Film still has a place in photography. Thank goodness.
I've been saving up so that I can buy any new film cameras to be released. I am not personally interested in compact point and shoots, but this is the start. If they sell enough we can get more (maybe) and that's the goal.
I just got my Linhof "Baby Color" (Linhof 6x7) and will be using that as my main travel camera along with my FM2/T.
Lastly, in regards to the Color '92, this is my favorite color neg stock. Absolutely lovely film.
Informative video. Thanks. Film has always offered a great value for what it is. I've been pulling old negatives from my archives for a future exhibit. These negatives are from the late 70s and yet still in great shape because I took care of them. Maintaining a negative archive is a chore, you need the space for it, the time, archival materials, but it's a format that keeps returning value. It's warmer (emotionally) handling the negatives than digital file formats like flash drives or photo CDs (which are going extinct -- case in point). 40 years from now, will it be so easy to track down and work with your saved digital images? Maybe? Are the pros backing up supposedly 7 times? File formats will be updated, memory cards have their own challenges, certain formats can degrade (I think the Getty photo archive had to upgrade many years ago because of this). Digital is amazing, don't get me wrong, and I too shoot with it. Another commenter wisely suggested that film is still quite important for larger image sizes. Like the RB67s I have -- I'd spend a fortune trying to match that in digital format. I do wish 220 rolls would come back in a limited way -- it was so great to be able to shoot so much medium format without reloading. Also, when you shoot an image digitally, it's not going to get any higher resolution than how you shot it. But a negative can be scanned to a very high resolution (provided the original image supports it). Thoughts?
I quit film last year ever since I got my Fujifilm X100v that has film simulation recipes that emulates the film look. Sometimes I shoot with my Sony a7iii and edit the film look in Lightroom. Sure it’s not as even close as to actual film. But I can live with that. Film stock prices are just ridiculous.
The film industry needs to tackle the real issue - A Digital Darkroom. Crafting a flawless photograph involves significant work in 3 parts。Let’s take B&W film photography as an example, 3 key elements contribute to a perfect print: Capturing (the image), Developing (the film), Printing (Finalize on Paper which is the most crucial part). While developing film at home isn’t the challenge, the hurdle lies in scanning & printing. Unless a solution emerges and revolutionizes the printing process, concerns about film longevity persist.
I have six film cameras. Seven if you count the Pentax SFX I'll never use again. Latest is a street-tastic Rollei 35 S. Film is def more expensive these days. In the UK, HP5 is around £8/36; about $10. It was £5 not so long ago. I'd love m/fs to start making film cameras again. It'll only get harder to maintain old kit. Film is such a refreshing change to the tech obsession pervading digital. While tech has its place in pro use for sport and the like, film is a reminder that it's not the equipment that makes the image; it's about observation; composition; timing; knowledge of the equipment. Is that not what photography is, actually?
Digital has turned out to be a pretty good recording medium, and incredibly cheap to use. The big shortfall with digital, IMO, is that the digital cameras have never matched the shooting culture, character, class, or build quality of the all metal, all mechanical cameras of the past. I think of Leica M, Nikon F, F2, F3, Canon F1, Hasselblad 500c, Pentax Spotmatic, Nikomat, Nikkormat, etc.
Great stuff. Here's to 2024! Film sales are the best way to stock up : )
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the interesting video.:)
I guess film will always have a loyal fanbase, there might be a concentration on certain brands and maybe slightly more pricey.
But I got hope for a film future as well. Im 23 r.n., startet out on a DSLR and shifted to film in 2023. So speaking for my demographic, analog has something therapeuthic in a digitalised world. Especially with AI Images on the rise, film/analog photography might be an attractive polar opposite (at least that drew me here^^). Lets all hope for the return of handmade, true analog photography.
The Super 8 camera from Kodak is wildly priced but I also kind of get it. The current effective market for that camera would be small and the people who would want it most would probably be shooting video as a business (wedding videographers, filmmakers, etc). Also rentals are big for small-budget filmmaking so companies will buy them to lend out.
Kodak is pricing it like the niche product it is. But I'm interested to see how it performs overall...
Matt Day brought me here. Great vid!
I used to see a lot of film images on my instagram. I followed a few, but seems to lost it all. I remembered a few account and when i stalked them, it seems like its been over a year since they last upload the photos. What is going on?
Price tags, that’s what’s going on. The price tags for these film stocks are ridiculous.
IMO if analog photography still makes sense today is mostly for large and very large format because that's the only area in which you'd get a measurable difference in the final product with what you'd get from humanely affordable digital cameras. Shooting 35mm and scanning it pretending the result differs from their same format digital counterparts is just mojo-mindset.
I don’t really do film for the final product necessarily.
I do it because I enjoy the process and because of nostalgia of my youth.
The problem with film photography is not only the absurdly priced film, but it's harder to find places who develop it. No one wants to wait 3 weeks to see their photos. However, the hugely successful Instax line has shown there is still a big interest in film photography, and thats where the future lies IMO. It's by far Fuji's cash cow and dwarfs anything they make off their digital cameras. Problem is, most the instant film cameras are either cheap point and shoots or expensive MINT cameras, with no in between. Fuji, Polaroid or someone else needs to put out a couple instant film cameras with full manual controls in the $200-$400 price range. That would be a massive hit IMO.
I agree that a camera like that would be a great hit!
The market for film photography is not with the general public any more. They are fine with their cellphones and entry level digital gear. In 1990´s, this segment bought the cheapest film from grocery stores to be used in cheapish automatic point & shoot cameras that were plentiful in the years just before digital imaging became affordable to the crowds. Nowadays. everybody has a "camera" in their cellphone, and there is no market for film for these people. It is, and will be more for enthusiasts and some segments of professionals. We are talking about more serious users than general public shooting their holiday pictures and the Christmas tree on the same roll. Many of these people will process their films by themselves - instead of waiting for 3 weeks. Others choose to let a professional lab make their pictures according to their wishes. "Walmart scans" are not for these people. Instax is an exception, because it is a cheap system sold mostly to the "selfie" crowd - especially in Fuji´s home market, Japan. It is very popular among teenage girls there - the selfie-TikTok crowd. For instant photography, I see more future for the point of the more serious photographer, in the possible return of Polaroid´s films producing paper prints with negatives peeled off instead of the envelope-style Polaroid and Instax systems aimed mostly to the general public.
Prices of film have risen, but what many people forget, that the prices 10.15 years ago were at all-time low because a price war, and assumption of film dying in few years. Equipment such as film cameras and enlargers were sold for almost nothing, as "everything was digital". Did not happen, and I don´t see any reason for that happening any time soon. The market is different from the heyday of film. but the 20 years of talking about film dying is not going to happen. Although people protest, and say I don´t get the point, I mean by film photography not just film, but also other aspects of analog photography - chemistry, papers, enlargers, darkroom equipment, slide projectors and so on. It is not only color film which is sent to a commercial lab for scanning, and receiving digital files. You can´t make the esthetics of a silver print - either B&W or color, with an inkjet printer. Even less so if the medium is the screen of a cell phone. I am not saying that everything digital is bad, but it is not all you could do with film. Invention of photography did not kill painting with oil colors, and digital imaging is not killing the analog methods in photography. We are talking about different methods that produce different results. They won´t exclude the other.
And the price of having a camera CLA’d/the unknown condition of the gear you’re purchasing. It could happen with digital cameras, and digital cameras need to be serviced too, but I’ve purchased analog cameras that looked good on the outside, but were the opposite internally. Throw in a roll of film, the cost of processing, and potentially losing priceless images…it’s been enough that I’ve been like, ok, maybe I’ll stick with digital instead
My biggest gripe is film prices. Having said that. There seems to be some quite exciting new films arriving on the market though. So I am prepared for the sticker shock. I do have a local lab however that customer service reminds me of the Seinfeld skit "No Soup For You" or IG's Indian guy with his lentil slop. I won't need that lap for much anyway. I'm prepared to do the work. Ferrania P30 will be my first try out. HP5 plus, and Tri-x will be my go too. Ilford Phoenix sounds very interesting.
The enthusiasm for film photography is increasing, while the film stock can’t keep up…. So the price is increasing… i dont want to buy such a high price of film, not worth it… photography can be enjoyed in digital also, it’s all about the process
bingo, all about the process
I've just been so used to prices going up that I can't really see it going any other way. I do appreciate your optimism which gives me hope.
Kodak dropped some film 30% today which imo is a great sign!
35mm & 120mm film cameras have a distinct personality. Everyone producing identical images with smartphones & D-SLR's.
Name one 120mm film camera. 120 is a film product type designation, not a dimension.
i sometimes wonder why a company wouldnt acquire the rights to contax and release an updated T3 or a digital T3
Or G2 :)
@@TheLondonPhoto 100%
I love taking photos on film and I enjoy the feeling of using old cameras, but unfortunately in the last months I stopped using film because of the price increase of film. The prices are way to big compared to the income in my country..but I will never sell my cameras.
Try some B&W! You can find some bulk film and roll yourself for much cheaper!
Got a minolta hi matic camera and boy do i enjoy shooting with it. Just hoping that film is here to stay......
Im getting my first film slr this month, so yep, film is back
I think that the more Ai takes over digital, the more many people will move toward a technology that is human. That is going to be analog and physical. I think film companies are going to be selling more and making bigger profits. It's going to bring competition and prices will stabilize. I bought my first slr camera in 1985 and film seemed expensive then.
Contax G2's have gone from £500 to £1300 in a few years! There is massive demand for that camera!
Let first say that I have a soft spot for film. Having said that I find that I take MUCH better images with digital than I ever did with film. The only film I will likely ever shoot again will be helping my niece shoot a few rolls with the Rollie TLR of my dad's that I gave her. It was hard to give it away, but I would rather someone in the family was actually using it, than it sitting in my drawer gathering dust.
I bought a 350D in 2006 and since then I have never shot on film any more.
Death of film...? Not in my darkroom!
Haha, thanks for watching, Mike!
I’ve been taking film pictures since 1966….
And there are more film choices now than 30 years ago…
Pentax just released a new film camera…
Leica’s still making them….
There’s a new Rollei 35…
There are millions of working film cameras out there…
Dunno - Film photography is alive and well.
I’d update my digital kit IF and Only If, the B&W medium looked better than B&W film… the dynamic range is not quite there. Digi in color looks great…
All can co-exist…
for the sake of creating 'art images' the celluloid' should be available..
still keep old 'Pentax 6x6' which has particular brand name and the model design was the proto type of Nikon F professional series which also in my collection such F1 with detachable view finder..
those antique slr cameras was acquired arround year of 2k..😊
me with my 90's P&S APS and 35 mm camera's, hold my beer cuz i won't change i love film too much !
I love Scanning negatives that I have shot since 50 years when I first pickup a camera. I enjoyed my film cameras, and YES I know that film cost money $$$$, But you cannot stopped a person that is a lover of Film Photography, And I also enjoy using Vintage film camera lenses onto digital since I have been saving money in buying NEW Nikkor lenses that are now made in Thailand, and DO NOT WANT TO PAY $2000 to 4000 dollars since I am very comfortable in the lens line that I have and also using adapters, and setting the camera of the lens information as it is still a photographic lens, and has better qualities, and makes you THINK to take a photo.... But that is my opinion..... 📸📸
Agree, for me, film > digital
At my age, I have so many bricks in the freezer that I’ll drop dead before I use up my stockpiles.
Haha, what's the most unique film stock you have in your collection?
@@metalfingersfilm Agfa Ultra 50 and 100
2024 will be a year for early 2000 digital cameras, including small compact cameras, DSLRs. And hopefully film price will go down.
I see more and more people, especially college kids using early digital cams more and more!
For film cameras to succeed, there has to be film. For film to succeed, there has to be cameras. Hopefully the film & camera companies are talking to each other and sharing marketing and technical data. That’s essential!
The chicken or the egg? The camera or the film?
I like that we’re getting new cameras but we don’t need that. We need faster dedicated scanners! All the scanners are outdated and super slow which is why I dslr scan. I don’t care if people say flatbed scanners are superior. I’m not interested in spending a hour scanning 5 images.
I would agree with that; but it does seem like DSLR/mirrorless scanning is the best entry level way, from what I can tell.
The people that are in it right now will continue to use film for many years. If prices don't drop, it's going to continue to be a niche hobby, but it's definitely not going to die
agreed, my concern would be if the community shrinks so much that it is essentially nonexistent.
I predict, given the expense of new digital cameras and lenses, film will make a big comeback. Perfectly functional existing film cameras and lenses can be had for very inexpensive prices. That, and the film aesthetic is still appealing. I still shoot film in 35, medium, mid and large formats for customers who want film.
Secondhand cameras and lenses are cheap BECAUSE film stock and processing is very expensive.
@jeannebelmondo That, and there is an increasing demand for film again and the big camera companies don't want that. All in all, I'd rather shoot 4x5 and larger sheet film at $20 per frame if I need to exceed the resolution specs for a given shoot.
Agreed. To be fair, same can be said about some digital cameras too though. You can get a solid digital camera that can do professional level video and photo work for like $500, which imo isn't too bad considering the doors it would open potentially. But yes, compared to a $50 SLR, one is obviously much cheaper.
keep film alive or we all going to photographically die* (*creatively). Have we not had enough with all digital stuff since 2000?
Both have their places, but the imperfect, limited nature of film is a tough feeling to beat.
We got a surprise release from Lomography too, that's at least three new cameras this year
Are you referring to their new 110 camera?
@@metalfingersfilm yes