They added another new feature, a Parametric EQ, and it is the BOMB! Just discovered it today in an update... WOW! It took the WiiM Pro to the next level.
I love my WiiM pro. It’s hooked up to a pair of SVS prime wireless with an sb 1000, and it works great. It gives me almost all of the functionality of the prime wireless pro except hdmi, plus I don’t have to use dts play fi, which is buggy and cumbersome. It also sounds great too.
Nice 👍 Roon is very expensive and that's on top of other services i am paying for like tidal master and UA-cam premium. I manage everything without it, including network portable disk. Roon not for me and many others because of the it's price tag. But overall your review is good.
Hey Jiles! I shared with you on Instagram that I tried out my first WiiM Pro in my high end system. Well it is still there! So a THIRD WiiM Pro was delivered to the doorstep today! So now we have a WiiM Pro in the high end system, the office system, and the TV room system. I absolutely love EASE of setup and performance quality. I also love the flexibility that I can use my own external DACS. I am with you, five stars two thumbs up! 😎
Hey Jiles ! I bought a WIIM Pro from Amazon half way through your video! I am going to use it on my TV room system connected to my Modius DAC. 😎 Thanks for the heads up.
Hans has no clue, total fool. He sits in front of the measuring gear, but never turns it on. Plus he actually thinks ethernet switches change digital audio. If you really want to learn nothing, keep watching his channel.
Plus I have a high end setup, I have seen the numbers to know this. And it has nothing to do with how big, heavy or expensive it is. Even though my speakers were probably too expensive, but measure state of art.
Nice. Not sure what Roon would do for me. Maybe a tutorial or I need to research. I have way too many streaming services and need to figure out which one to keep. I’ve been using Bluesound Node (original, Node 2 and NODE) and find myself using the XM/Sirius app a lot for casual listening. I have Tidal, Qobuz and Amazon streaming as well.
@@JilesMcCoy I really cannot disagree more. I do not get why its been so hi regarded. The software is so buggy. I own a NAD T758 v3 and I just installed a chromecast which is so much better in UX.
This is NOT actually Roon Ready. It’s only running over Airplay from your IOS for now. So it is NOT lossless. Maybe in some far away universe it may actually really work as expected some day, but don’t hold your breath.
I just discovered you as I’m doing research to try to do whole house audio for the first time. I’m not an audiophile. I’m a beginner. I’m the guy who would buy Sonos if it wasn’t so expensive. I’m trying to learn though. I just bought 2 Wiim pro’s. Can I hood speakers up directly to Wiim pro?
Great video. Advice needed I am using Wiim Pro with optical out into optical in (marantz STR integrated amplifier). Which is the best advice to get ultimate sound? Please guide.
@@JilesMcCoyIs the Wiim Pro any better than the Wiim Mini in sound quality? If one is only using these products as a streamer only(plugged into a separate dac), I assume there is no difference in sound quality Mini vs Pro?
Apart from the extra physical connections, the Pro supports Chromecast Audio. That's the only reason I chose it over the Mini. They have the same internal DAC so there'll be no difference in sound quality. Also, if I've understood correctly, if you use the SPIDF connection, you're using the DAC in the device you're connecting it to, so again no difference.
Thanks for the review, I've read somewhere it would be possible to line in a tunertable for example and airplay to speakers, can you confirm? I have some sonos speakers and I was thinking using the WiiM Pro for this. Thanks.
I think that most anyone that is going to be that into sound will probably be using an external DAC... and that is where any coloration of the sound would happen in that scenario.
The RCA outs are full range so they can push a sub. They way I wire mine up is Wiim to pre amp. Left XLR out to subwoofer in, subwoofer XLR out to amp in. And then the same for the right channel. Works great! You could also get a preamp with a sub out.
I just bought a Wiim Pro. I have floor standing speakers, a Yamaha Amp and Techniques turntable. I am a UA-cam Music user. Can I connect the Wiim Pro to my Yamaha Amp and setup home WiFi then Bluetooth UA-cam Music from my phone to the Wiim Pro?
Will using WiiM as a networked Roon endpoint result in better sound quality than running Roon on a USB connection from a PC to an external DAC? I've seen people say Roon sound quality is better when streamed over the network and it sounds worse when runnng it from Windows.
Recently bought a wiim pro, every time I turn off my tablet, I need re pair it. Is this an issue with WIIM. Drives me crazy, other low cost Bluetooth adapters I have always stay paired, when I turn the tablet on again the device should automatically connect. Having my doubts about these WIIM products they're kinda cheaply made with plastic, and are expensive at $250 . Should work better than that
I love mine, ( Amazon Music HD) it has opened up a universe of new and interesting music ..and brought back some old favorites 🥹 Feeds my Topping DAC going into my headphone stack 👍 Great review 👍☕️🔥🍕
please if I may -which Topping DAC? have d10 and d10s(wanted to compare) but cant seem to connect to wiim pro as the DACs only have outs??? then want to connect to integrated pre amp. - TY
I have three zones: outdoor with 2 speakers, living room with 4 speakers, bedroom with 2 speakers. My amp just busted. Do I need to buy one wiim pro AND one amp per zone for a successful multizone system?
@@JilesMcCoy the manual states this: "WiiM Pro can be grouped with Homepod, Echo, Google Home, AirPlay 2-enabled devices, other Alexa-compatible devices, or another WiiM Mini or Pro to stream music throughout your home. Or, play different songs in different rooms." Am I missing something?
@@JilesMcCoy You can play different streams in each location - I have a WiiM Mini, WiiM Pro and WiiM Pro Plus and can play all three independently of each other, or the same stream if I group them.
About Roon please tell me…do I need to turn my PC on to make it work? I only use Pc sporadically; I usually use Volumio with Pi4 with my IPhone, no need to turn a pc on. Is it possible to use Roon just with a cell phone and Wiim Pro?
ROON is software that needs to run wile you use it. So you can have it on your PC... or build a dedicated (or buy) server that stays on all the time. I have it installed on my PC and turn it on when I want to use it.
This box does not do everything. I have had one for 6 months. It will just NOT play my large music library from my NAS (AIFF) . I usually play all tracks in random order. The Wiim will not do that correctly. It gets stuck in tunes starting with a zero eg. 01. It repeats songs quite regularly, it gets stuck in a genre and the fault list goes on. It is quite unusable. I have just bought a Yamaha which I know can play my music collection. Wiim have been helpful via their feedback service but have not yet been able to fix the issue. Very frustrating that reviewers have not picked up on this serious issue. Otherwise it an excellent unit.
@@JilesMcCoy Bluetooth from phone? No thanks. Why does the wiim app have everything else except UA-cam Music? YT Music was where my private Google Play library got migrated to when Google Play was discontinued. It's important to me.
@@JilesMcCoy Thanks for the reply Jules. The WiiM Pro forums are full of other users having similar dropout issues. Discussions range from firmware updates, quality of RCA cables used (I am using the optical out to an external DAC) and issues between clock rates resulting in dropouts. I feel that I shouldn't have to delve into this level of detail for an audio component. It feels like the product development is not as stable as reviews would suggest. This has a profound impact on my listening experience.
@@alziquint I can only comment on my specific experience. I have probably listened to 400 hours of music on 3 different platforms and haven't had any audio drop outs. THey units have been super solid for me. I use the WIIM Amp probably 8 hours a day with no issues.
Please share with all your friends!
They added another new feature, a Parametric EQ, and it is the BOMB! Just discovered it today in an update... WOW! It took the WiiM Pro to the next level.
So nice!!!!
I love my WiiM pro. It’s hooked up to a pair of SVS prime wireless with an sb 1000, and it works great. It gives me almost all of the functionality of the prime wireless pro except hdmi, plus I don’t have to use dts play fi, which is buggy and cumbersome. It also sounds great too.
Awesome! Thanks for the comment!
@@JilesMcCoy you make this hobby so much more enjoyable with your content.
Nice 👍
Roon is very expensive and that's on top of other services i am paying for like tidal master and UA-cam premium.
I manage everything without it, including network portable disk.
Roon not for me and many others because of the it's price tag.
But overall your review is good.
Glad I passed the test!
Ditto. How did you set up your network portable disk?
@@cosmicheretic8129 you can connect to the usb input of you tv or to the usb input of your router (if it has one).
Hey Jiles! I shared with you on Instagram that I tried out my first WiiM Pro in my high end system. Well it is still there! So a THIRD WiiM Pro was delivered to the doorstep today! So now we have a WiiM Pro in the high end system, the office system, and the TV room system. I absolutely love EASE of setup and performance quality. I also love the flexibility that I can use my own external DACS. I am with you, five stars two thumbs up! 😎
That’s great! The magic really is the ability to use the external DAC with the easy set up and use. I used mine all day today!
@@JilesMcCoy I used the unit in the TV room all day today.
Me too! 😎
They've added soft squeeze so it will be seen as squeezebox, just connect to LMS
Nice!
Hey Jiles ! I bought a WIIM Pro from Amazon half way through your video! I am going to use it on my TV room system connected to my Modius DAC. 😎 Thanks for the heads up.
That’s great! It’s a cool device. I use mine daily in my office.
5:54 see Hans. To tell the difference you need a high end setup
For sure. Thanks for watching and the comment!
Hans has no clue, total fool. He sits in front of the measuring gear, but never turns it on. Plus he actually thinks ethernet switches change digital audio. If you really want to learn nothing, keep watching his channel.
Plus I have a high end setup, I have seen the numbers to know this. And it has nothing to do with how big, heavy or expensive it is. Even though my speakers were probably too expensive, but measure state of art.
Nice. Not sure what Roon would do for me.
Maybe a tutorial or I need to research.
I have way too many streaming services and need to figure out which one to keep.
I’ve been using Bluesound Node (original, Node 2 and NODE) and find myself using the XM/Sirius app a lot for casual listening.
I have Tidal, Qobuz and Amazon streaming as well.
Thats a lot of services! The bluesound gear is great!
@@JilesMcCoy I really cannot disagree more. I do not get why its been so hi regarded. The software is so buggy. I own a NAD T758 v3 and I just installed a chromecast which is so much better in UX.
@@bluetorch002 Right on. It’s worked well for me.
Built in dsp !
This is NOT actually Roon Ready. It’s only running over Airplay from your IOS for now.
So it is NOT lossless. Maybe in some far away universe it may actually really work as expected some day, but don’t hold your breath.
100% Roon ready. roon.app/en/partners/186/wiim
I just discovered you as I’m doing research to try to do whole house audio for the first time. I’m not an audiophile. I’m a beginner. I’m the guy who would buy Sonos if it wasn’t so expensive. I’m trying to learn though. I just bought 2 Wiim pro’s. Can I hood speakers up directly to Wiim pro?
The WiiM pro doesn’t have an amp. But the new WiiM amp streamer does. Thats what you want to look at. I agree Sonos is the easy solution.
Great video. Advice needed I am using Wiim Pro with optical out into optical in (marantz STR integrated amplifier). Which is the best advice to get ultimate sound? Please guide.
Are you asking if you should change the Marantz for something different?
If one doesn’t use a hardwire to modem connect is there much advantage over using it over the less expensive Wiim mini to dac over WiFi? Saving $60.
Sorry, I didn't follow the question.
@@JilesMcCoyIs the Wiim Pro any better than the Wiim Mini in sound quality? If one is only using these products as a streamer only(plugged into a separate dac), I assume there is no difference in sound quality Mini vs Pro?
Apart from the extra physical connections, the Pro supports Chromecast Audio. That's the only reason I chose it over the Mini. They have the same internal DAC so there'll be no difference in sound quality. Also, if I've understood correctly, if you use the SPIDF connection, you're using the DAC in the device you're connecting it to, so again no difference.
@@stephenc6648Thank you. Can’t believe, used solely for its streamer, it’s so good connected! Used through my Denafrips Pontus 2 dac.
Thanks for the review, I've read somewhere it would be possible to line in a tunertable for example and airplay to speakers, can you confirm? I have some sonos speakers and I was thinking using the WiiM Pro for this. Thanks.
You can plug your phone stage in to the WiiM for sure.
Have you tried linear power supply with WiiM?
I haven't. I wouldn't expect any different in sound with one though. Maybe using the internal DAC. But it already produces bit perfect streaming.
I think that most anyone that is going to be that into sound will probably be using an external DAC... and that is where any coloration of the sound would happen in that scenario.
Is a DAC required? Or can I just plug the line out into my vintage Pioneer integrated amp?
It has a DAC inside.
Subwoofer connection? Can the RCA outs be used for subwoofer?
The RCA outs are full range so they can push a sub. They way I wire mine up is Wiim to pre amp. Left XLR out to subwoofer in, subwoofer XLR out to amp in. And then the same for the right channel. Works great! You could also get a preamp with a sub out.
I just bought a Wiim Pro. I have floor standing speakers, a Yamaha Amp and Techniques turntable. I am a UA-cam Music user. Can I connect the Wiim Pro to my Yamaha Amp and setup home WiFi then Bluetooth UA-cam Music from my phone to the Wiim Pro?
Bluetooth or cast.
Hey! What kind of subwoofers are those?
The red ones? Those are Starke sound.
Will using WiiM as a networked Roon endpoint result in better sound quality than running Roon on a USB connection from a PC to an external DAC? I've seen people say Roon sound quality is better when streamed over the network and it sounds worse when runnng it from Windows.
I've only used it as a network streamer myself.
Recently bought a wiim pro, every time I turn off my tablet, I need re pair it. Is this an issue with WIIM. Drives me crazy, other low cost Bluetooth adapters I have always stay paired, when I turn the tablet on again the device should automatically connect. Having my doubts about these WIIM products they're kinda cheaply made with plastic, and are expensive at $250 . Should work better than that
Thats no fun. Mine has worked flawlessly.
Is there another streamer with a 10-band EQ (or similar), a subwoofer out and a better DAC than the WiiM Pro?
I’m sure there is. I don’t know what it is off the top of my head though.
Why use ROON to accumulate all your music when the WiiM app pretty much seems to do the same?
I use Roon with many different devices in my home.
I love mine, ( Amazon Music HD) it has opened up a universe of new and interesting music ..and brought back some old favorites 🥹
Feeds my Topping DAC going into my headphone stack 👍
Great review 👍☕️🔥🍕
Thanks! Love those Topping DACs.
@@JilesMcCoy For the money and the rage of performance..they’re hard to beat .
If I could swing it I’d, go for a Denafrips 🥹
please if I may -which Topping DAC? have d10 and d10s(wanted to compare) but cant seem to connect to wiim pro as the DACs only have outs??? then want to connect to integrated pre amp. - TY
@@adaptpeplay6617 Topping E50
I'm not too knowledgeable but learn fast. I'm curious as to why you use a preamp instead of using an amplifier directly. Sorry for the noob question.
I have multiple sources I want to select amongst. All questions are good.
@@JilesMcCoy ok but an amp also allows multiple sources, doesn't it? I'm not sure what a preamp offers that an amp doesn't.
@@AA-wb6qz Volume control. If you go from a source to power amplifier your speakers will go bang as soon as music is played.
Hi. Great review. It will work connected to passive speakers? Thanks
It does. That is the install I walked through in the video.
Streamer > preamp > amp > speaker
@@JilesMcCoy I mean streamer > speaker with rca cable. I have in ceiling speakers.
@@jorgeconceicao7714
Requires power Amplification!
@@jorgeconceicao7714 No, the streamer does not have an amplifier built in. Its only a streamer.
How reliable is the Wi-Fi connectivity?
Rock solid for me so far.
I have three zones: outdoor with 2 speakers, living room with 4 speakers, bedroom with 2 speakers. My amp just busted. Do I need to buy one wiim pro AND one amp per zone for a successful multizone system?
Do you want to have different music at each location? Or just play one thing all over. The Wiim just plays one thing.
@@JilesMcCoy I'm surprised by this. I read that we could play different things if we have one amp + one wiim per zone?
@@JilesMcCoy the manual states this:
"WiiM Pro can be grouped with Homepod, Echo, Google Home, AirPlay 2-enabled devices, other Alexa-compatible devices, or another WiiM Mini or Pro to stream music throughout your home. Or, play different songs in different rooms."
Am I missing something?
@@JilesMcCoy You can play different streams in each location - I have a WiiM Mini, WiiM Pro and WiiM Pro Plus and can play all three independently of each other, or the same stream if I group them.
@@sneakyds What I mean is that a single Wiim device can’t stream 3 different songs to 3 different locations.
About Roon please tell me…do I need to turn my PC on to make it work? I only use Pc sporadically; I usually use Volumio with Pi4 with my IPhone, no need to turn a pc on. Is it possible to use Roon just with a cell phone and Wiim Pro?
ROON is software that needs to run wile you use it. So you can have it on your PC... or build a dedicated (or buy) server that stays on all the time. I have it installed on my PC and turn it on when I want to use it.
This box does not do everything. I have had one for 6 months. It will just NOT play my large music library from my NAS (AIFF) . I usually play all tracks in random order. The Wiim will not do that correctly. It gets stuck in tunes starting with a zero eg. 01. It repeats songs quite regularly, it gets stuck in a genre and the fault list goes on. It is quite unusable. I have just bought a Yamaha which I know can play my music collection. Wiim have been helpful via their feedback service but have not yet been able to fix the issue. Very frustrating that reviewers have not picked up on this serious issue. Otherwise it an excellent unit.
That’s no good :( Hopefully they add and / or improve that functionality.
Is it lossless though using roon + tidal over wiim pro since it uses AirPlay vs. playing the song directly in wiim pro through tidal connect?
It doesnt use airplay that I know of. Roon talks directly to the Pro.
24-196??? You meant 24-192.
Yes, exactly!
Wait. Excuse me. You can connect a record player? Without a phono preamp?
You always need a phono stage somewhere in the mix.
@@JilesMcCoy No kidding.
And if you have a second WiiM, you can stream your vinyl wirelessly to another room...
@@michaelwright1602 Yes you can stream your vinyl wirelessly.
Does it ouput dsd to separate dac.
I dont think so.
Google home assistant?
Thanks for watching!
MQA full decode?
No
0:23 not Apple Music 24/192
AirPlay just reaches 48 kHz
Unfortunately, Apple wants to lock you into their hardware ecosystem.
"secret?"
Ok, it’s not secret new.
"Every music streamer you can imagine?" I can imagine UA-cam Music. What about that?
Here ya go: support.google.com/youtubemusic/answer/9231765?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid
Supports it the only way it is supportable. Which you already know...
@@JilesMcCoy Bluetooth from phone? No thanks. Why does the wiim app have everything else except UA-cam Music? YT Music was where my private Google Play library got migrated to when Google Play was discontinued. It's important to me.
@@JilesMcCoy That link doesn't tell me how to get UA-cam Music into my old hi-fi.
@@jazmaan it has built in chromecast audio
Frequent dropouts when using the WiiM Pro that nobody seems to mention in reviews
It’s likely associated with something in your environment. I’ve never had dropouts with any of the wiims I’ve tested.
@@JilesMcCoy Thanks for the reply Jules. The WiiM Pro forums are full of other users having similar dropout issues. Discussions range from firmware updates, quality of RCA cables used (I am using the optical out to an external DAC) and issues between clock rates resulting in dropouts. I feel that I shouldn't have to delve into this level of detail for an audio component. It feels like the product development is not as stable as reviews would suggest. This has a profound impact on my listening experience.
@@JilesMcCoy sorry autocorrect changed Jiles to Jules
@@alziquint I can only comment on my specific experience. I have probably listened to 400 hours of music on 3 different platforms and haven't had any audio drop outs. THey units have been super solid for me. I use the WIIM Amp probably 8 hours a day with no issues.
@@JilesMcCoy FYI sorted dropouts! Changed sampling frequency from 192kHz to 96kHz. Happy days
Who cares about roon. lol rip off
This guy does. No Roon is a deal breaker.