Cool stuff man! My main takeaway: If you don’t have an external DAC like you and I do you get the Pro Plus and you are set. No muss No fuss! Awesome. Since I am using external DACs I will keep using my WiiM Pros. But again if you don’t have an external DAC or don’t want the expense of one go with Pro Plus. I really like the WiiM app. It is EASY to use, and it WORKS! WiiM updates are fast and easy. Jiles have you ever don an A/B between Qobuz and Amazon Music sound quality wise?
Thank you for explaining this so thoroughly! We’ve been considering this type of music format for a long time(Danny has Parkinson’s and tremors are steadily occurring so spinning vinyl less and less unfortunately). There is so many products out there that it left us so confused. We just subscribed to your channel because of your help.Thank you again!-Danny & Beth🎧🙏🏻
Thanks for saving me a bunch of money! I was getting ready to order a replacement Bluesound Node for the Node 2 that just died after about 5 years - $600. And I've always disliked the Qobuz support they give you in their BluOS iOS app, and wished for more. I only need this for pure streaming into my superb full Benchmark stack (DAC, preamp, dual amps). Plus some of the extra features the Wiim Pro has over the Node 2 will come in handy.
I was about to order a Pro+ and stumbled upon an article featuring a new WiiM CI MOD A1-60. I hope the amp sounds good, it would be a viable, all in one, desktop solution. Thanks for the great review.
Many thanks Jiles, you have helped me through HT(external amplification) and now with streaming and understanding DAC's. I have found your videos informative and easy to understand, again, many thanks.....cheers Paul.
Great video Jiles 👍. I am currently using Macbook Pro connected to SMSL SU-1 DAC to listen to apple music, do you have any idea if replacing this set up with Wiim Pro Plus will yield better result? Since Wiim Pro Plus also does not have apple music as native app, only through apple play, the music is not pure lossless, if I am not mistaken.
Hi! Thanks for your video. I have a question. I'm kind of a newbie so I'm not all too familiar with setups. I have a turntable going into a preamp, into pair of powered bookshelf speakers. I also have my tv going into those same speakers since it has two sets of rca inputs. My question is, if I get the Wiim pro plus, how would I connect them to my powered speakers without removing my tv or turntable line? Is that possible?
Nice review. Question: I currently have the AudioEngine B-fi which is connected to my Rega Brio integated, so Im using the device's DAC. Would the Wiim pro plus be a substantial upgrade.. particularly sound/DAC - wise? thanks
Great video, thanks. Any guess on a sound comparison between the WiiM Pro bypassing the DAC and using the DAC in my 5 year old Anthem MRX720 AVR vs the WiiM Pro Plus using its DAC connected via RCA cables?
May I ask something? It's about outputs. Does it matter what outputs you use? Are the digital outputs better sound than the sound of the RCA outputs? All outputs use the internal DAC effectively or sound the same? I do have 2 opticals inputs on my amp and one coaxial input on my amp, but they are all in use and I would rather use a RCA with this streamer. I am kinda new to the HiFi and digital world.
If you use a digital output you are skipping the DAC in the unit. The DAC and the analog output stage are where the vast majority of sound differences are introduced. So yes, if you use a different DAC you can expect for there to be a difference in sound. Can you hear it? You have to try for yourself.
Thank you for your video. It was very helpful. One question: I have a vintage hi-fi setup. I have been looking at getting a WiiM as a streamer and running it through the aux port on my receiver. This is the only way I plan to use this device. Would the integrated DAC in the pro plus make a big difference in sound quality, or could I get by with a mini? I've never used a DAC before, so I'm not exactly sure how it might improve things.
The SU-1 has the MQA decoder to fully unfold MQA files. So, if you listen to music encoded with MQA, such as Tidal Masters, you still need the SU-1 to get the full benefit of MQA; the WIIM Pro Plus will not decode MQA on its own.
I'm new to DAC's and Idon't have an amp so if I purchased the Wiim Pro Plus, which amp should I purchase that would be better than the one inside the Wiim for around $1,000? I currently have an iBasso DX320 DAP and I've just purchased the Alpha Omega IEM's. Will a DAC like the Wiim produce much better sound quality and even more so with a dedicated $1000 amp? Thanks in advance for any clarification
There are really a million amps you can use. It depends on what you are trying to drive and what kind of sound you like. Id look for a nice 100-250 watt per channel class D if you like neutral sound. If you want warmer try a Class AB or even an A.
Great video. I am definitely interested in the Wiim pro plus after watching this video. I noticed you only used RCA cables to connect it to your amp or receiver. Both my amp and receiver are old school. I have a Marantz 1060 and Onkyo TX8511. Is there any different way I need to know to connect it? I do have a newer type cd player with digital optical and coaxial connections. To connect the cd player would I just use either one of these? I am thinking the coaxial would work the best. I was all set to purchase an SMSL SU 1 DAC but after seeing this video I could have a streamer and a DAC with an AKM chip all in one. Thanks again for a great video. 👍🏼
great vid! Just got my wiim pro yesterday and they released the pro plus one day later ?! I have it connected directly to a class D amp no external DAC. would it be worthy to upgrade? I can still return the pro
Both of the above options are great suggestions. If you want an all-in-one, get the Pro Plus, but for maximum SQ… you may find the SU-1 is still a better DAC than what will be included here.
Seriously considering one of these now. I currently use a Schitt Modi 3 to route all Audio and Tv signals to my amp. Will the internal DAC rival my Schitt or should I hold onto it?
if I just want to connect this into my dac with the coaxial out...and do not need the analog outputs...would it then be better to just get the pro version instead of pro plus❓
A bit unrelated question, but since I have a great audience here I hope to get some good answers. I have a Denon X4400H. I guess the analog out on the Plus would be an upgrade from the builtin DAC of the (old) Denon? However since I probably would want to use the subwoofer, I guess audio will internally be converted to digital in order to apply bass management? But will the audio for the *fronts* be fully analog all the way if fed analog on the input and using a 2-channel music mode on the amp? I've read years ago that home cinema amps convert all audio to digital regardless of analog or digital in, but I am unsure of how this is applied in more modern gear. I guess using a "pure direct" mode would preserve audio in analog though, but that would switch off all bass management, right? If analog in is not feasable, I might as well go for the mini and Toslink.
I am guessing that the mini with toslink will be where you end up. If you want to do any management in the avr is going to a2d it… and all of it from what I understand.
@@JilesMcCoy Thanks! Yes, this is exactly where I ended up eventually. A mini worked fine. I suppose you don't know, but would the mini's DAC surpass the Denon builtin?
Might be a silly question- does the unit automatically switch between inputs? Say I have something connected to it's toslink in, and it's playing music from that source. Then i want to play music from spotify connect. Will this device automatically start playing music from spotify, or will I have to change the source using the remote or app?
I think i works a little too well at times 😂 it can be dodgy in a certain scenario involving Bluetooth. It happens when i connect my TV to the Wiim via Bluetooth and then want to play something from a different input like Wifi, say, Tidal Connect. If the TV is still on I need to disconnect its Bluetooth from the Wiim or simply switch the TV off. Otherwise the Wiim unit will keep going back to the Bluetooth input from the TV.
I just purchased the wiim pro and the wiim pro plus and connected them to the same amp via a mixer. I streamed the same song from amazon music and I did not hear any difference in the quality of sound. they both sound good. I'm I supposed to hear any difference between them?
@@JilesMcCoyI suppose the amp has to have the ability to define the difference, in other words the limitations of the amp may not be able to reproduce the signal being fed into it !
Thank you for this. Sorry for a newb question, but if I had an amp (with no digital connections, such as the IO) and wanted to connect a CD transport, could this be used as a serviceable DAC? Cheers.
Is this also a preamp? I was thinking whether I could pair this with the FOSI Audio V3 but could I just pair it with a power amp? More specifically, if I purchased this, could the remote control the volume on both my active subwoofer and passive speakers?
Hi, Nice review. I have a particular problem I need a solution for, and I’m not sure if this unit would resolve it. I have four B&O active speakers that I would like to continue to use, the original CD deck gave up years ago and up until recently I have been using two Sonos connect units, I want out of Sonos as it drives me mad for a hundred reasons. Would this unit enable we to activate the B&O speakers and control volume. Thanks Nick ( not very tec minded)
@@JilesMcCoy Hi, Thankyou for the response , I have checked out the speakers and can't find any reference numbers. I do have photos but can't see how to attach them. I'll send a link to them if thats okay.
DACs and streamers? Ive never had a reason to buy one so i feel like im missing something? I use my firecube to stream amazon. Is that not ok? It just plugs into my processor.
Great video! Is it possible for the Pro Plus to play through multiple zones in my AVR? Could I send signals through SPDIF and RCA line outs simultaneously? The WiiM Pro doesn't do it unfortunately.
Hi! If I use the Wiim Pro analog inputs just to send the the Signal throught the analog output, would it cause any degradation in the Signal? Would it be converted to digital? The use of this connection for me would be useful to have Wiim as a sort of a receiver, through which I could select different inputs. Thank you very much for your attention.
Thanks for the informative video. I ordered the Wiim Pro Plus from Amazon. I have two different stereos in my house in two different listening locations. I'm considering ordering a second Wiim for the second location. I do have one DAC as well. Should I order the regular Wiim Pro for the second location since I have one DAC already? Also, is it true I can link the Pro's to have the same music playing in both locations? We like to entertain and I'd love to have the music sinked in both rooms. Lastly, I'm currently using Apple Music for my digital music. I'm assuming the Wiim will be compatible with Apple Music. Thanks in advance for your answers.
I’m in a similar situation. I’m going to buy 2 Wiim Pro Plus units because both external DACs that I own for each room is old from years ago and the the Wiim’s internal DAC is more up to date
I was actually just looking at the Pro model yesterday and today. Noticed the Plus version reviews and came to your review. As i don't have an preamp and just moving into the digital streaming realm. I will buy this Wiim Pro Plus most likely and connect it to a soundbar and subwoofer. Question is, if i want to use the Wiim Pro Plus internal DAC. How do i connect it to the soundbar? Very nice video, but the rewind sound was quite loud so that caught me off guard 😁 Also got a bit tiresome as constant repeat. Thanks a lot for the review!
@@JilesMcCoy Soundbar also has a 3.5mm aux in. So connecting the Wiim Pro Plus with RCA to Soundbars 3.5mm aux in would use the Wiim PRO plus built in Dac? Thanks, appreciate the help.
To clarify your comment about connecting turntable to the RCA analog inputs, as I couldn’t see any reference to the additional RIAA gain stage and RIAA EQ required, I think you’d need either an external phono pre, or one of the newer vinyl spinner types with built in pre-amp. As regards to XLR outputs, it doesn’t appear there’d be sufficient available space on the rear panel to accommodate those with substantially reconfiguring the internal circuit topology to maintain the same form factor/size; not undoable, but would almost certainly add to the unit’s cost.
@@JilesMcCoy Well, for those folks entering into the vinyl world for the first time - as opposed to us greybeard boomers with relic players from the ‘70s or ‘80s - many of the new turntables have that feature built in; some even have Bluetooth connectivity, but I always opt for a hardwire connection whenever possible. And I’m pretty damned sure that most folks couldn’t detect the difference between the supplied RCA interconnects and “audiophile” grade ones in any system into which a unit such as this would likely be used.
Hi Late to this review, but quick question => I want to play Apple music lossless. How can I do that with this device? Can it be with BT or need a direct connection?
Great Video. What I can't seem to find any videos on is how to share my own (FLAC) files to the WiiM Pro Plus. I don't want to spend the money for the NAS if possible or dedicate a laptop or PC. I don't want to use BlueTooth either. It doesn't seem to be a good solution to put FLAC Files on Phones either. Is there an easy way to share these and play on my receiver or is a NAS the only good solution. Appreciate thoughts.
My LG OLED55C9AUA TV is notorious for optical signal drops. My current SMSL D100 DAC allows for internal clock adjustments to compensate for this (DPLL). Will this WiiM Pro Plus DAC handle my television optical correctly?
I stream Apple Music lossless over AirPlay from my iPhone to my Denon AVR-X3700H in two channel pure direct mode , I wonder if streaming through this would improve sound quality ???🤔🤔🤔
If I used Android phone to play Apple music 24bit/192khz lossless music then via Chromecast wireless to Wiim pro/pro plus, may I really hear 24bit/192khz lossless music playback from Wiim pro/pro plus (+AMP+loudspeakers) ?
Thank You for review, I'm thinking about buying a streamer for my home hi-fi (Pathos Acoustics TT amplifier, Sonus Faber Grand Piano speakers, Audiolab 8200 Cd, this Cd player has the ESS Sabre 32-bit Dac that can be used as external DAC for other units) So my question is: Wiim Pro with Audiolab Cd player DAC, Wiim Pro Plus? Or Bluesound Node? I din't know if the Audiolab 8200 cd internal dac is a good one or not, it is a product fron 2012. I hope you can help me, I'm a beginner about streamers, thank You, Rob.
Many of us would use the wiim exclusively to stream a streaming service like amazon music, spootify etc into an old amp would one notice any difference in sound between the wiim pro and the wiim pro plus in this context?
@@JilesMcCoyI want to use its rca output directly to my old Yamaha amp. I listened to a guy from another you tube channel who said that "pro" rca output was bad...so I decided not to buy it. The pro plus rca output has a better sound quality???? I'm still using my ps3 analog output with spotify and it sounds amazing with my vintage Tannoy speakers. If you watch mu channel you ll see how excellent sound my ps3 spotify.
I have an onkyo TX-NR6050 with built in amazon music. I don't believe that I'm able to stream the highest quality using the built in app. Would adding this as a streamer and connecting it through the optical port allow me higher resolution streaming?
@danyoung3245 Did you buy the wiim pro plus? I have the same team as you and the same question. If so, how was the product? Did you connect it via RCA or optical port?
@@t3dewys I have mine fail to show up as an Airplay device on occasion, I just remove the power for a minute and reset it. It’s not ideal, but it really only happens maybe once a week.
That's not normal. Sounds like a Wi-Fi issue or a glitch with the unit itself. Is it getting a decent signal from your router? Have you tried a factory reset?
@@JilesMcCoy hi I have 4 SBTs. I have them as end points into various DACs into 2x Powered speakers and 2x fully actives. It’s a robust and pleasing setup and I run LMS plus 2 NAS elsewhere on network. I do like the screens on SBT, although dated. But I can run all rom iPad or iPhone app, with plugins for Spotty, Quobuz, Bandcamp, YT etc, all from same console interface or browser. My thoughts are to slot in Wiims as direct SBT endpoints. But if I understand that wiim might support a Squuezelight server instance, then I could also retire the LMS server on the LAN.
For the money, these are some of the best streamers out here. I use vintage Sansui gear, and the DACs in these WiiM's, the standard DAC, they sound incredibly good on both of my old Sansui receivers. I fired up my Pro today, listening to some Chet Baker, Live at Nick's... The WiiM updated the OS again, and what did I find? A Parametric EQ! Holy Smokes Batman! A ten band graphic EQ and the parametric? Oh the sound! This was such a well thought out upgrade to the WiiM software. I don't care what anyone says, these WiiM units are the best streamers out here.
I am using a high end laptop to stream music...why would I need a streamer and are there any audible/noticeable sonic improvements using a Wiim Pro/Plus?
My streaming (such as it is) is Apple Music on my Mac, through an Apple AirPort Express and via toslink to my audiolab 6000a. What would the Wiim Pro give me the the AirPort Express doesn't?
I think you are limited to 16/44 output on that device. So you can’t do high res streaming. And you have to use you Mac as the source. It’s the real streamer. The airport just is part of getting the streamed music to your audio lab. With something like the WiiM all you need is it, the internet (or your own server) and your HIFI gear.
If you are in your late 60s or 70s don’t expect any audible differences, people talk about soundstage differences in dac’s, I’m in my 70’s my elac ub5’s do a total disappearing act Speaker placement makes a greater difference then any dac, I own a meridian dac it doesn’t sound any better then the smsl su1, then again I’m 72 but age doesn’t change imaging or soundstage
I'm late, but could anyone here tell me if the Plus would go well connected straight to a pair of say Wharfedale Lintons? I'm pretty new to the audio space and worry about wattage and OHMs. Fears of burning out or under powering speakers is a fear of mine.
As an Apple ecosystem guy who is more than happy with Apple Music's quality and price, what reason if any would there be for me to put this between my Mac Mini M2 and my desktop speakers?
I wanted to send vinyl TO Chromecast devices - no go. It will send an analog signal to all of the other services such as Bluetooth and Airplay, but not to Chromecast devices. That's the one thing i wanted to do.
@@JilesMcCoy yes. I was trying to help someone do that and we tried it with Chromecast devices but it was not possible. It seems that it might have been possible with Airplay or a second WiiM product, but we didn't have the hardware to try that.
Not at all. I never really use mine since I use a roon server. You will use the app a lot. If you use this as your preamp... then it might be used more.
Everyone reviewing and promoting Wiim devices touts the sound quality and phone integration mainly based on paid streaming services, but for some of us owners the shortcoming lies in which kind of media servers Wiim can use to full potential. If it won't use a server you have for compatibility with your other devices, it's pointless except for paid internet subscriptions. I wish they were better in that respect.
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FINALLY someone who's reviewed both against each other, exactly the video I was looking for, thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Cool stuff man! My main takeaway: If you don’t have an external DAC like you and I do you get the Pro Plus and you are set. No muss No fuss! Awesome. Since I am using external DACs I will keep using my WiiM Pros. But again if you don’t have an external DAC or don’t want the expense of one go with Pro Plus. I really like the WiiM app. It is EASY to use, and it WORKS! WiiM updates are fast and easy. Jiles have you ever don an A/B between Qobuz and Amazon Music sound quality wise?
I agree with all of that. I’ve never done that AB to try and hear differences.
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Agreed. I just got the Wiim Pro Plus. The internal DAC is excellent and my end game DAC.
Have the Mini and Pro and no more "Hockey Pucks" for me since I purchased Eversolo DMP-A6. These devices never stop coming out. Thanks for the video.
How do you like the eversolo? It looks really nice.
Thank you for explaining this so thoroughly! We’ve been considering this type of music format for a long time(Danny has Parkinson’s and tremors are steadily occurring so spinning vinyl less and less unfortunately). There is so many products out there that it left us so confused. We just subscribed to your channel because of your help.Thank you again!-Danny & Beth🎧🙏🏻
Glad it was useful for you! Good luck with your streaming journey!
Would be great if the next version has a microSD for local files and HDMI for album art.
Right on!
Thanks for saving me a bunch of money! I was getting ready to order a replacement Bluesound Node for the Node 2 that just died after about 5 years - $600. And I've always disliked the Qobuz support they give you in their BluOS iOS app, and wished for more. I only need this for pure streaming into my superb full Benchmark stack (DAC, preamp, dual amps). Plus some of the extra features the Wiim Pro has over the Node 2 will come in handy.
That’s awesome. Glad it was helpful. I’d love to see some photos of your setup!!!
@@JilesMcCoyDon't be creepy
Pics of a setup aren't creepy, don't make it weird
@@99_tech35 Don't objectify it like that it's not nice at all.. "Setup" smh...
@@bokramubokramu8834 Who's being creepy?
I was about to order a Pro+ and stumbled upon an article featuring a new WiiM CI MOD A1-60. I hope the amp sounds good, it would be a viable, all in one, desktop solution. Thanks for the great review.
I hope to get my hands on one to try.
Many thanks Jiles, you have helped me through HT(external amplification) and now with streaming and understanding DAC's. I have found your videos informative and easy to understand, again, many thanks.....cheers Paul.
Glad to help!
Great video Jiles 👍. I am currently using Macbook Pro connected to SMSL SU-1 DAC to listen to apple music, do you have any idea if replacing this set up with Wiim Pro Plus will yield better result? Since Wiim Pro Plus also does not have apple music as native app, only through apple play, the music is not pure lossless, if I am not mistaken.
I doubt it would yield a better result in your situation.
@@JilesMcCoy gotcha, thanx for the prompt reply 👍
Hi! Thanks for your video. I have a question. I'm kind of a newbie so I'm not all too familiar with setups. I have a turntable going into a preamp, into pair of powered bookshelf speakers. I also have my tv going into those same speakers since it has two sets of rca inputs. My question is, if I get the Wiim pro plus, how would I connect them to my powered speakers without removing my tv or turntable line? Is that possible?
You could use the optical connection.
For just solely streaming used with an external dac, any difference in sound quality within the Wiim group, the mini, pro or pro+ ? Thank you.
It’s the same between the pro and the pro plus. Never heard the others.
Get the mini for less and add the smsl su-1 dac that has the same akm chip. All in saved me $60 vs the pro plus.
@@jp93309 I did that, the su-1 sounded like a wet blanket was thrown over my system. I put it back in the box, missed the return window.
I think if you already own a high quality DAC, you can connect it with the cheaper Wiim but you might want to confirm it with others to make sure
Nice review. Question: I currently have the AudioEngine B-fi which is connected to my Rega Brio integated, so Im using the device's DAC. Would the Wiim pro plus be a substantial upgrade.. particularly sound/DAC - wise? thanks
Ive not heard the devices you have. So I can't really say one way or the other.
Great video, thanks. Any guess on a sound comparison between the WiiM Pro bypassing the DAC and using the DAC in my 5 year old Anthem MRX720 AVR vs the WiiM Pro Plus using its DAC connected via RCA cables?
Hi, I haven’t heard that Anthem before.
May I ask something? It's about outputs. Does it matter what outputs you use? Are the digital outputs better sound than the sound of the RCA outputs? All outputs use the internal DAC effectively or sound the same? I do have 2 opticals inputs on my amp and one coaxial input on my amp, but they are all in use and I would rather use a RCA with this streamer. I am kinda new to the HiFi and digital world.
If you use a digital output you are skipping the DAC in the unit. The DAC and the analog output stage are where the vast majority of sound differences are introduced. So yes, if you use a different DAC you can expect for there to be a difference in sound. Can you hear it? You have to try for yourself.
Thank you for your video. It was very helpful. One question: I have a vintage hi-fi setup. I have been looking at getting a WiiM as a streamer and running it through the aux port on my receiver. This is the only way I plan to use this device. Would the integrated DAC in the pro plus make a big difference in sound quality, or could I get by with a mini? I've never used a DAC before, so I'm not exactly sure how it might improve things.
If you plan to use the integrated DAC I would go with the pro plus for sure. It does represent an audible difference, albeit slight.
@@JilesMcCoy how do you use the DAC? Do you just hook the WiiM rca out into the aux on the receiver? Or is there more to it?
If you use the integrated DAC you simply take the RCA out from the WiiM and plug into the RCA in on your preamp or amp.@@Ryan-vw6et
Its like hooking up a CD player or a tape deck.
How does the DAC inside the pro Plus compare to the smsl su-1 ? Is the pro Plus as good as the geshelli ?
I don’t think that anyone could distinguish between them while listening. The new DAC is great.
@@JilesMcCoy okay so you're saying it's as good as those DACs not a lot better?
@@Rocker6969 I’m saying that it’s good enough that you can’t tell it apart other DACs that are good enough.
The SU-1 has the MQA decoder to fully unfold MQA files. So, if you listen to music encoded with MQA, such as Tidal Masters, you still need the SU-1 to get the full benefit of MQA; the WIIM Pro Plus will not decode MQA on its own.
inside the pro plus is the same dac as in smsl su-1...this external dac mumbo jumbo is getting funny...
I'm new to DAC's and Idon't have an amp so if I purchased the Wiim Pro Plus, which amp should I purchase that would be better than the one inside the Wiim for around $1,000?
I currently have an iBasso DX320 DAP and I've just purchased the Alpha Omega IEM's. Will a DAC like the Wiim produce much better sound quality and even more so with a dedicated $1000 amp? Thanks in advance for any clarification
There are really a million amps you can use. It depends on what you are trying to drive and what kind of sound you like. Id look for a nice 100-250 watt per channel class D if you like neutral sound. If you want warmer try a Class AB or even an A.
Thank you for your review. Very helpful! Is it a good match with active speaker? like Edifier A200?
Edifier Airpulse A200? Would you recommend any active speskers to match with this WiiM?
Sure, as long as the speaker will take optical, coax or RCA in.
Best video I’ve seen yet for the wiim pro excellent. For the price you have to give it a go.
Thanks!
I just got the WiiM pro because my anthem has a built in DAC and the WiiM pro included the remote. I mainly use the WiiM app anyway. Great review.
Thanks! It’s a super great tool!
Great video. I am definitely interested in the Wiim pro plus after watching this video. I noticed you only used RCA cables to connect it to your amp or receiver. Both my amp and receiver are old school. I have a Marantz 1060 and Onkyo TX8511. Is there any different way I need to know to connect it? I do have a newer type cd player with digital optical and coaxial connections. To connect the cd player would I just use either one of these? I am thinking the coaxial would work the best. I was all set to purchase an SMSL SU 1 DAC but after seeing this video I could have a streamer and a DAC with an AKM chip all in one. Thanks again for a great video. 👍🏼
I would try this DAC before buying another one.
@@JilesMcCoy you are referring to the DAC in the Wiim pro plus streamer, correct?
@@drums5434 Yes
correct me if I'm wrong but being an ADC doesn't make it a preamp, or does it? So you could use this as a phono stage?
This isn’t a phonostage but you can use it as a preamp. Although I don’t.
I went with the basic pro and used my own DAC. Good unit. Well implemented.
Nice!
Hola, if I use the coaxial or optical output, am I using the amplifier's DAC? If so, does it matter if I buy the Wii Pro or Pro Plus?, gracias.
If you use digital out that means you are skipping the DAC in the unit and will use the DAC if whatever you plug this in to.
great vid! Just got my wiim pro yesterday and they released the pro plus one day later ?! I have it connected directly to a class D amp no external DAC. would it be worthy to upgrade? I can still return the pro
Yes, either go pro plus or external DAC on the pro.
Just get an SMSL SU-1.
Both of the above options are great suggestions. If you want an all-in-one, get the Pro Plus, but for maximum SQ… you may find the SU-1 is still a better DAC than what will be included here.
I use mine SMSL U8,It's sound fine
Seriously considering one of these now. I currently use a Schitt Modi 3 to route all Audio and Tv signals to my amp. Will the internal DAC rival my Schitt or should I hold onto it?
I think it will… but you can do an A/B to decide for yourself.
@@JilesMcCoy Cheers, Gonna do a little more reding/viewing and maybe hit BUY at the w/e
if I just want to connect this into my dac with the coaxial out...and do not need the analog outputs...would it then be better to just get the pro version instead of pro plus❓
You could do that for sure. I’d get the pro plus just in case. It’s not much more money.
A bit unrelated question, but since I have a great audience here I hope to get some good answers. I have a Denon X4400H. I guess the analog out on the Plus would be an upgrade from the builtin DAC of the (old) Denon? However since I probably would want to use the subwoofer, I guess audio will internally be converted to digital in order to apply bass management? But will the audio for the *fronts* be fully analog all the way if fed analog on the input and using a 2-channel music mode on the amp? I've read years ago that home cinema amps convert all audio to digital regardless of analog or digital in, but I am unsure of how this is applied in more modern gear. I guess using a "pure direct" mode would preserve audio in analog though, but that would switch off all bass management, right? If analog in is not feasable, I might as well go for the mini and Toslink.
I am guessing that the mini with toslink will be where you end up. If you want to do any management in the avr is going to a2d it… and all of it from what I understand.
@@JilesMcCoy Thanks! Yes, this is exactly where I ended up eventually. A mini worked fine.
I suppose you don't know, but would the mini's DAC surpass the Denon builtin?
That I don;t know.@@kristianjorg418
What DACs have you compared it to?
That’s answered in another question. I think you just scroll a little to see it.
Might be a silly question- does the unit automatically switch between inputs? Say I have something connected to it's toslink in, and it's playing music from that source. Then i want to play music from spotify connect. Will this device automatically start playing music from spotify, or will I have to change the source using the remote or app?
With Roon it starts playing whatever I tell Roon to play. I assume Spotify Connect works similarly.
I think i works a little too well at times 😂 it can be dodgy in a certain scenario involving Bluetooth. It happens when i connect my TV to the Wiim via Bluetooth and then want to play something from a different input like Wifi, say, Tidal Connect. If the TV is still on I need to disconnect its Bluetooth from the Wiim or simply switch the TV off. Otherwise the Wiim unit will keep going back to the Bluetooth input from the TV.
I just purchased the wiim pro and the wiim pro plus and connected them to the same amp via a mixer. I streamed the same song from amazon music and I did not hear any difference in the quality of sound. they both sound good. I'm I supposed to hear any difference between them?
Yes, you can hear a difference due to the better output stage on the pro plus.
@@JilesMcCoyI suppose the amp has to have the ability to define the difference, in other words the limitations of the amp may not be able to reproduce the signal being fed into it !
Thank you for this. Sorry for a newb question, but if I had an amp (with no digital connections, such as the IO) and wanted to connect a CD transport, could this be used as a serviceable DAC? Cheers.
Absolutely. That is the reason you buy the pro plus version… becuase you want to use its DAC.
Is this also a preamp? I was thinking whether I could pair this with the FOSI Audio V3 but could I just pair it with a power amp? More specifically, if I purchased this, could the remote control the volume on both my active subwoofer and passive speakers?
Hi, it is a preamp if you want it to be. The remote controls the Wiim box.
11:10 You mentioned you compare pro plus and pro + external DAC, what external DAC you compared with?
Thanks,
Thanks for watching!
will i have to use wiim as a preamp in order to use room correction?
Yes
Why did you use the RCA out and plug it to your preamp? Isn't that redundant?
I have a bunch of other sources, so I need a dedicated preamp. Just depends on your situation.
Hi, Nice review. I have a particular problem I need a solution for, and I’m not sure if this unit would resolve it. I have four B&O active speakers that I would like to continue to use, the original CD deck gave up years ago and up until recently I have been using two Sonos connect units, I want out of Sonos as it drives me mad for a hundred reasons. Would this unit enable we to activate the B&O speakers and control volume. Thanks Nick ( not very tec minded)
Which speakers do you have? What inputs do they have?
@@JilesMcCoy Hi, Thankyou for the response , I have checked out the speakers and can't find any reference numbers. I do have photos but can't see how to attach them. I'll send a link to them if thats okay.
You mentioned that you compare the internal dac to external dacs. What external dacs did you use for comparison ?
SMSL, Gesheli, Schiit, Topping - Options in the price range compatible with this streamer.
@@JilesMcCoy thanks for sharing
The internal DAC is great. It’s now my endgame DAC. It’s that good.
Recently purchased a WIIM Pro Plus! It wont win any beauty contests lol but performs like a champion! Love it!!
Very nice!!
How do you connect the WiiM Pro Plus to a small NAS like a Synology DS120j? Do you need to install any software? Thanks
You would use the Wiim app or something like Roon.
@@JilesMcCoy Thanks. Roon is not available in India. I installed Emby in my NAS but I cannot see the Emby Media server on my WiiM Pro App.
@@navinadv Does it do DNLA?
I use DLNA from my Synology to both pro and mini and works great. Gapless also.
DACs and streamers? Ive never had a reason to buy one so i feel like im missing something? I use my firecube to stream amazon. Is that not ok? It just plugs into my processor.
Its a streamer too... so you are already there!
Great video! Is it possible for the Pro Plus to play through multiple zones in my AVR? Could I send signals through SPDIF and RCA line outs simultaneously? The WiiM Pro doesn't do it unfortunately.
You can always use a Y cable on the RCA outs.
Hi! If I use the Wiim Pro analog inputs just to send the the Signal throught the analog output, would it cause any degradation in the Signal? Would it be converted to digital? The use of this connection for me would be useful to have Wiim as a sort of a receiver, through which I could select different inputs. Thank you very much for your attention.
If you use the analog outputs (RCA) that will be an analog signal. You need to use the digital out (fiber for example) for a digital signal.
Thanks for the informative video. I ordered the Wiim Pro Plus from Amazon. I have two different stereos in my house in two different listening locations. I'm considering ordering a second Wiim for the second location. I do have one DAC as well. Should I order the regular Wiim Pro for the second location since I have one DAC already? Also, is it true I can link the Pro's to have the same music playing in both locations? We like to entertain and I'd love to have the music sinked in both rooms. Lastly, I'm currently using Apple Music for my digital music. I'm assuming the Wiim will be compatible with Apple Music. Thanks in advance for your answers.
If you have a DAC then get the pro. Yes, you can party mode. I do t use Apple Music so I don’t know much about it. I am a Qobuz guy. Enjoy!
I’m in a similar situation. I’m going to buy 2 Wiim Pro Plus units because both external DACs that I own for each room is old from years ago and the the Wiim’s internal DAC is more up to date
I was actually just looking at the Pro model yesterday and today. Noticed the Plus version reviews and came to your review. As i don't have an preamp and just moving into the digital streaming realm. I will buy this Wiim Pro Plus most likely and connect it to a soundbar and subwoofer. Question is, if i want to use the Wiim Pro Plus internal DAC. How do i connect it to the soundbar?
Very nice video, but the rewind sound was quite loud so that caught me off guard 😁 Also got a bit tiresome as constant repeat. Thanks a lot for the review!
You would need a device that takes a RCA analog input.
@@JilesMcCoy Ok so optical connection on soundbar wont use the Wiim built in DAC? Thanks. I have a 3.5mm amalog input too on the soundbar.
@@Livewire91 No. An optical cable carries the digital signal. So the signal would have to be converted to analog in whatever device you send it to.
@@JilesMcCoy Soundbar also has a 3.5mm aux in. So connecting the Wiim Pro Plus with RCA to Soundbars 3.5mm aux in would use the Wiim PRO plus built in Dac? Thanks, appreciate the help.
@@Livewire91 That sounds like it would work.
To clarify your comment about connecting turntable to the RCA analog inputs, as I couldn’t see any reference to the additional RIAA gain stage and RIAA EQ required, I think you’d need either an external phono pre, or one of the newer vinyl spinner types with built in pre-amp.
As regards to XLR outputs, it doesn’t appear there’d be sufficient available space on the rear panel to accommodate those with substantially reconfiguring the internal circuit topology to maintain the same form factor/size; not undoable, but would almost certainly add to the unit’s cost.
Correct, you would use a phono stage.
@@JilesMcCoy Well, for those folks entering into the vinyl world for the first time - as opposed to us greybeard boomers with relic players from the ‘70s or ‘80s - many of the new turntables have that feature built in; some even have Bluetooth connectivity, but I always opt for a hardwire connection whenever possible. And I’m pretty damned sure that most folks couldn’t detect the difference between the supplied RCA interconnects and “audiophile” grade ones in any system into which a unit such as this would likely be used.
I agree. The phono stage built into many new record players works great. @@fonkenful I agree about the RCA cables too.
Can i use this to turn my stereo amp on and off? If I'm too lazy to get up but i have my phone in my pocket? I have a rotel A11 tribute.
I don't know the capability of an A11. Does it have 12 v trigger?
Hi Late to this review, but quick question => I want to play Apple music lossless. How can I do that with this device? Can it be with BT or need a direct connection?
If you connect with Bluetooth the quality will be determined by the Bluetooth connection.
Great Video. What I can't seem to find any videos on is how to share my own (FLAC) files to the WiiM Pro Plus. I don't want to spend the money for the NAS if possible or dedicate a laptop or PC. I don't want to use BlueTooth either. It doesn't seem to be a good solution to put FLAC Files on Phones either. Is there an easy way to share these and play on my receiver or is a NAS the only good solution. Appreciate thoughts.
You have to get it over the network somehow. I use Roon.
Thank you. Going to check it out now.. R
My LG OLED55C9AUA TV is notorious for optical signal drops. My current SMSL D100 DAC allows for internal clock adjustments to compensate for this (DPLL).
Will this WiiM Pro Plus DAC handle my television optical correctly?
Good question. It worked with all the items I used but I don’t have a LG TV.
I stream Apple Music lossless over AirPlay from my iPhone to my Denon AVR-X3700H in two channel pure direct mode , I wonder if streaming through this would improve sound quality ???🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for watching!
If I used Android phone to play Apple music 24bit/192khz lossless music then via Chromecast wireless to Wiim pro/pro plus, may I really hear 24bit/192khz lossless music playback from Wiim pro/pro plus (+AMP+loudspeakers) ?
I think you are limited to the chromecast quality.
I really like your review style. Down to earth, informative and clear. Thanks
I appreciate that!
You can order the Pro version with a remote for just £10 more than the base version.
Nice!
Thanks for the update ....I was not aware of the new model Wiim Pro Plus.
Glad to help
What’s the difference in jitter levels between the 2 for spdif coax out?
Nothing audible.
Thank You for review, I'm thinking about buying a streamer for my home hi-fi (Pathos Acoustics TT amplifier, Sonus Faber Grand Piano speakers, Audiolab 8200 Cd, this Cd player has the ESS Sabre 32-bit Dac that can be used as external DAC for other units) So my question is: Wiim Pro with Audiolab Cd player DAC, Wiim Pro Plus? Or Bluesound Node? I din't know if the Audiolab 8200 cd internal dac is a good one or not, it is a product fron 2012. I hope you can help me, I'm a beginner about streamers, thank You, Rob.
I’d just buy the pro plus first and see how it sounds to you.
@@JilesMcCoy thank You!
I have some old iPods 2nd and 3rd generation, can I connect them to the pro plus
I've never tried, but bluetooth is bluetooth right?
If I am using a chromecast audio now, is there any advantage to these?
Chromecast to what?
To a Pioneer receiver. @@JilesMcCoy
Probably not. If you are happy with the sound no need to introduce another device to the mix.
Many of us would use the wiim exclusively to stream a streaming service like amazon music, spootify etc into an old amp would one notice any difference in sound between the wiim pro and the wiim pro plus in this context?
Yes, the output stage is much better on the pro plus.
@@JilesMcCoyI want to use its rca output directly to my old Yamaha amp. I listened to a guy from another you tube channel who said that "pro" rca output was bad...so I decided not to buy it. The pro plus rca output has a better sound quality???? I'm still using my ps3 analog output with spotify and it sounds amazing with my vintage Tannoy speakers. If you watch mu channel you ll see how excellent sound my ps3 spotify.
Would I notice any different streaming music through this compared to listening through a Fire Cube with Amazon Music?
I’ve never used a cube before.
Really good overview and easy to understand all the benefits.
Thanks!
When you say the pro plus doesn’t have room feature what exactly does that mean?
It means that still have to get that approved from Roon. Not sure on the current status.
Do you have to connect it to your Wi-Fi or not What are the options for your phone
I use wifi yes. It can take audio from Bluetooth though.
@@JilesMcCoy can you stream high res from your phone to the streamer without Wi-Fi?
@@Cephas144 never tried, not sure. I would use Ethernet or wifi with the device in any event. And never Bluetooth.
thanks, you helped me to keep pro plus ;)
Glad I could help!
I have an onkyo TX-NR6050 with built in amazon music. I don't believe that I'm able to stream the highest quality using the built in app. Would adding this as a streamer and connecting it through the optical port allow me higher resolution streaming?
Im not sure what the Onkyo can do. But if you use the WiiM and connect it with its analog outs you will be doing great.
@danyoung3245 Did you buy the wiim pro plus? I have the same team as you and the same question. If so, how was the product? Did you connect it via RCA or optical port?
Thanks for the review. Anyone knows if the Pro support is Deezer HiFi?
Thanks for watching!
How does by pass my dac in receiver Yamaha also what kind of dac is inside
If you use digital out on your preamp that will bypass the DAC in the preamp.
I have the Wiim mini, and have to reconnect it almost every day. It’s very frustrating. I’m wondering if the newer unit would be more stabile
What do you mean by reconnect? For me both the pro and pro plus are always ready to play. I never do anything other than push play.
Yeah. It cannot find the player at all, and I need to set it up as a new device every time I use it.
@@t3dewys I'd call support for that issue.
@@t3dewys I have mine fail to show up as an Airplay device on occasion, I just remove the power for a minute and reset it. It’s not ideal, but it really only happens maybe once a week.
That's not normal. Sounds like a Wi-Fi issue or a glitch with the unit itself. Is it getting a decent signal from your router? Have you tried a factory reset?
How does this compare to Argon Audio Solo?
Never heard that one.
Can I use this to replace the aging Squeezebox touch in my system?
What do you you the touch for specifically? For most things yes.
@@JilesMcCoy hi I have 4 SBTs. I have them as end points into various DACs into 2x
Powered speakers and 2x fully actives. It’s a robust and pleasing setup and I run LMS plus 2 NAS elsewhere on network. I do like the screens on SBT, although dated. But I can run all rom iPad or iPhone app, with plugins for Spotty, Quobuz, Bandcamp, YT etc, all from same console interface or browser. My thoughts are to slot in Wiims as direct SBT endpoints. But if I understand that wiim might support a Squuezelight server instance, then I could also retire the LMS server on the LAN.
@@gaycha6589 I’m not sure about playback from a squeeze server but the rest sounds like out of the box functionality for the Wiim.
Thanks to your review, i bought it
Congrats!
Is it possible to use the remote of my FireTV stick to control the volume of my Wiim Pro+?
Not likely. There is a remote for the Wiim Pro+ though. $20.
I would guess no on that.
@@IronHorsey3 Yes, my Wiim pro plus came with the remote. But it would be better to control the volume from my tv with the fireTV remote.
@@IronHorsey3 My Wiim pro plus comes with a remote, but it’s cumbersome to have 2 remote. One for the FireTV and one for the Wiim.
@@lehsu - Yeah, the WiiM Pro+ has that remote. No getting around it.
For the money, these are some of the best streamers out here. I use vintage Sansui gear, and the DACs in these WiiM's, the standard DAC, they sound incredibly good on both of my old Sansui receivers. I fired up my Pro today, listening to some Chet Baker, Live at Nick's... The WiiM updated the OS again, and what did I find? A Parametric EQ! Holy Smokes Batman! A ten band graphic EQ and the parametric? Oh the sound! This was such a well thought out upgrade to the WiiM software. I don't care what anyone says, these WiiM units are the best streamers out here.
I agree that they are exceptional.
Any talk of a new WiiM Mini Plus?
Nothing that I have heard of. If I had to guess a WiiM Ultra or similar would be next. With additional connectivity features. Just a guess though.
I am using a high end laptop to stream music...why would I need a streamer and are there any audible/noticeable sonic improvements using a Wiim Pro/Plus?
You would need a streamer if you didnt use your laptop.
@@JilesMcCoy ...but of course...thank you sir
My streaming (such as it is) is Apple Music on my Mac, through an Apple AirPort Express and via toslink to my audiolab 6000a. What would the Wiim Pro give me the the AirPort Express doesn't?
I think you are limited to 16/44 output on that device. So you can’t do high res streaming. And you have to use you Mac as the source. It’s the real streamer. The airport just is part of getting the streamed music to your audio lab. With something like the WiiM all you need is it, the internet (or your own server) and your HIFI gear.
does the app have an equalizer? Thanks
It does.
If you are in your late 60s or 70s don’t expect any audible differences, people talk about soundstage differences in dac’s, I’m in my 70’s my elac ub5’s do a total disappearing act
Speaker placement makes a greater difference then any dac, I own a meridian dac it doesn’t sound any better then the smsl su1, then again I’m 72 but age doesn’t change imaging or soundstage
Thanks for the comment!
does it work with Navidrome music server ?
Don’t know that. I’ve never seen that tool before.
Good review. Thanks
Thanks for watching
Thank you for an interesting review!
My pleasure!
I'm late, but could anyone here tell me if the Plus would go well connected straight to a pair of say Wharfedale Lintons? I'm pretty new to the audio space and worry about wattage and OHMs. Fears of burning out or under powering speakers is a fear of mine.
You will need amplification. This is a streamer only, not an integrated amplifier.
@@JilesMcCoy thank you for the quick reply.
@@JilesMcCoyI thought you said in the video that the pro plus has pre amp?
@@thediplomat3137 Yes, you can use the pro plus as a pre amp if you want.
As an Apple ecosystem guy who is more than happy with Apple Music's quality and price, what reason if any would there be for me to put this between my Mac Mini M2 and my desktop speakers?
None
Fair enough. And good to know. Thanks.
Unfortunately the first generation are not Bluetooth, any advice would be appreciated
I’m new to this technology too. I used to only use a CD player so now I’m learning
Thanks for watching!
I wanted to send vinyl TO Chromecast devices - no go. It will send an analog signal to all of the other services such as Bluetooth and Airplay, but not to Chromecast devices. That's the one thing i wanted to do.
You want to play a record player in another room maybe?
@@JilesMcCoy yes. I was trying to help someone do that and we tried it with Chromecast devices but it was not possible. It seems that it might have been possible with Airplay or a second WiiM product, but we didn't have the hardware to try that.
Great video, not a big fan of the rewind sound.
Thanks!
Awesome video!
Thanks!
It's OK using Tidal Connect.
EQ and Volume with remote is cool.
But there's no Balance Control. Shame.
Thanks!
Can the Wiim play music from Plex?
Should. I think it functions as a DNLA server right?
It does, I use Plex running on my nas
Do i need the remote?
Not at all. I never really use mine since I use a roon server. You will use the app a lot. If you use this as your preamp... then it might be used more.
Waooo ,,,, ...Super Beast Functional... but question? Trigger out !!!! in Wiim Pro Plus can use my Headphone HIFI with cable 3.5 mm?
Trigger out to turn on amps and preamps down stream. WIIM doesnt have any amp internal so you cant plug in headphones.
Everyone reviewing and promoting Wiim devices touts the sound quality and phone integration mainly based on paid streaming services, but for some of us owners the shortcoming lies in which kind of media servers Wiim can use to full potential. If it won't use a server you have for compatibility with your other devices, it's pointless except for paid internet subscriptions.
I wish they were better in that respect.
What do you want to see that it doesn’t do specifically?
No Roon?
Not approved at the time of filming .
This one with Peachtree GAN 1??
It would be nice.
$220 isn't bad.
Agreed.
Thank you. However there’s possibly a little too much tautological going ahead during set up.
Maybe possibly.
Great stuff but the rewind sound effect got really annoying after a while.
Was it too loud, or just too much? Any suggestions on a better replacement?
@@JilesMcCoy It was too loud but some laid back music that changes slightly each time the graphics come on might be better .
I’m sold.
Use my link if you can!