Reading other Minds (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2020
- Consciousness and meaning aren't all that different.
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Making me blush :)
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aaaand he’s gone.
@@ericmsandoval “In June of 2020, I stepped away from my career of 17 years to make Logos Made Flesh my full-time job. I plan to make one to two videos a month over the next year (2020-2021)” - Patreon Pledge
I am so happy to have discovered this channel, a light that shines beyond the creator’s time with us. While we don’t get a proper part two, we are blessed for the wealth of work that is here. Rest in peace, Matt, and so much love to you and the family. Your work is like a religious experience for me, every time I tune in. Thank you!
Dude I noticed you haven’t dropped a video in awhile and I want to tell you these are genuinely some really really great unbelievably good genius level videos here. Just wanted to give you some props. It doesn’t matter if they don’t have a million views they are genius symbolic analysis’ to me anyway.
Next one out soon. Over 20 minutes long
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Mind blown.
Excellent work.
Full time content creator now!?
Truly exciting news. Your hard work and dedication to excellence is paying off.
I look forward to the next...
Thank you Smiles!
I knew I stayed subbed for a reason. You dropped this king 👑
Hey there! Thanks for watching today's video! There's a lot to discuss in this video. Wittgenstein has some really interesting ideas though I'm not sure about all of them. Let me know what you think. If you enjoyed today's video, don't forget to subscribe to my UA-cam channel!
Are more videos on the way? We are all eager!
i don´t want to be that guy, but Jacob’s Ladder is a good film :D. Loved the video
Been waiting for the next upload!
easily one of the most thought provoking videos I've ever seen. thank you
Thankyou so much for all you do, I hope you're well. :) No rush for part 2, I'll keep rewatching this until I truly understand it.
When’s the next vid? I can’t wait, your stuff is really good
Seriously, looking at his upload schedule I’m so bummed Bc these vids are my FAV. I suppose it’s better this way really 🙂
Matthew passed away.
Your vids are refreshing and the type of thing to leave splinters in the mind...much appreciated for taking the time to teach these important lessons. You have gained a subscriber in me, sir.
Bro your videos are amazing please keep them coming
Saying these videos you make, videos I've binge watched just tonight, are food for thought would be a criminal understatement... This is gold for mind, so well phrased and intelligently calming. Hats off to you good sir and I hope you keep up the good work. You definately deserve way more subs that you currently possess.
P. S.
Discovering this tonight made my pretty shitty day way better
Very articulate explanation. The meaning of the symbols in life is based on how they are used in life. Everything has some sort of meaning on some level.
Awesome insight! I love all of your videos sir!
Your videos are incredibly enlightening as well as being entertaining, I want you to know that.......................... and thank you very much for making and sharing them.
Thank you! I appreciate you saying so :)
Fascinating video! I've been wrestling with similar topics myself. Mechanisms change and perhaps even meanings at times, but what is true will always be true. I loved your ending. "Our ability to understand symbolism is acquired through a growth in our experience." This definitely (on a basic level) seems to be similar to being un-evangelized into being Born again. One cannot truly know the depths of a relationship with God or fall under His grace without first growing through experience or learning the meanings of scripture. To an unbeliever, God often seems hidden... that is until they have the key the Gospel. Beautifully done video essay.
Ohh that's right! And that goes back to the No Country For Old Men video, and about the Seventh Seal. The Silence of God. God is especially silent to someone who has never read His word or spent time growing in a spiritual relationship with God. While God does not speak to us directly, He certainly is not silent to His children.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 6 Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. 7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.… Mathew 7 6.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 thank you!
Looking forward to seeing the successive parts to this! I'm grateful for the meaning uncovered to me by your video. 😊 It hits me as a nature interpreter and communicator, on the hesitation I feel when faced with an audience whose lives and experiences I perceive to be quite foreign to my own.
Blessings and well wishes!
Really fantastic work here man.
Love your channel. Watched Maleficent the other day, still amazed by how perfect the symbolism in that film is :)
I had just stumbled upon your channel today and clicked on this video, I paused afew seconds in and felt the need to watch the video x machine video before this, and sure enough it tied directly into this video
🙋🏽♀️ Hi. You just gained another subscriber. I look forward hearing more of your perspectives. It's very interesting 🧐
I've really enjoyed your latest videos exploring metaphysical laws, psychology and linguistics
Such is your channel's intention: Logos Made Flesh
Thank you! Indeed it is :)
Watching this what came to mind was the trivium, cybernetics and object versus subject distinctions
Of course there are notable other studies as well like social constructionism, constructivism and information theory
Again you covering hermeneutics a few videos ago was so good to encourage others to think about, most are so unaware of it and how truth in my opinion isn't defined by the 'local microcosm' alone but the 'universal macrocosm'
I'd really like to complete my work on what I call the 'eject' which is much like the superego or universal consciousness, I believe is part of Christ's Logos
Some call it the collective conscious/collective unconscious or the metaphysical mind, while ego is akin to the subject and ID would be chemical determinism or the objective
Anyway much needs to be said to qualify and somewhat quantify these thoughts I've shared here
I think you're capable of exploring the generals laid out and probably already do
YESS YOUR BACK.
Enjoying your videos. This one reminded me I need to watch Witt
Awesome!
Loved this film!!
Thank you for such a though provoking video
Great video
I have come to understand things about our language that can decode everything. This guy knows it. It requires logic and reasoning on a huge aware mind. To know they self is to understand all the keys
Let's go dude, my favourite movie.
So the meaning is always there in plain view, you just have to be able to see it? Like for us watching ex machina we have to have knowledge of film's use of symbols and someone could watch the film without knowing.
I think I explained that poorly but I think when wettgenstein says "everything is open" he means you just have to be interested or have knowledge of that topic to get all the meanings and the techniques used to imbue them
That's essentially it :)
Bring back the content!! I love these videos!!
Yeah epic top shelf stuff.
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I just visited your website, I look forward to more of your work, may God be glorified in your passion for teaching! 😄
this guy has a website?
Very nice!
Keep up the great work. 👍
Brian, Tammy and Andrew
@@commentor65493:00 Ferdinand the signifier
I recently finished John Vervaeke's series on the Meaning Crisis. While before I would always process meaning dichotomously as subjects ('throw under') perceiving or failing to perceive meanings inherent to an object ('throw against'), Vervaeke gave me the very useful concept of "transjective" ('throw across') to describe to things pertaining uniquely to the relationship between subjects and objects (e.g. people and pineapples, viewers and films). Now I'm playing with understanding meaning as a transjective phenomenon. The fact that I see Christ in Shawshank Redemption now is not something objective in the film nor purely subjective in my mind, but it is transjective, it is beyond me or the film in the relationship between us, which now includes your videos.
Miss you man, been watching your stuff for years.
Logos--you're a genius. Was distracted that year movies were wrong. Shawshank was 1994, No Country for Old Men was 2007.
Love your videos. Would love to hear your take on the Fountain!
More great stuff! I keep sharing these videos hoping to reach a greater audience.
This was great!
Hey! Don't I know you?
Logos Made Flesh I don’t think so? Creeper!
Ex machina is an exceptional film
Love to hear your interpretation of Joe vs the Volcano!
*Return of the King*
I'd love to see your analysis of "Falling Down" from 1993.
hey man i dont often comment but i love your vids and have been learning tons, i work as a pastor and bible teacher full time and your vids help me understand the bible's symbolism better. Would you be willing to do a vid dissecting Alita battle angel? cant help but feel im missing something
Can you please make the next part? This content is very good!
Because you asked, I’m going to work on it today. Thank you.
@@youthnation1 Thank you 😊
Retroduction taken to its logical extremes, love it!
Perhaps call it, techno-duction when we start using Machine learning(Function approximation, compression) to dig into the grits and purposes of reality itself!
This is why when we see a very accurate targeted ad we assume we are being "listened to" or "spied on"
Woooooow.
I would like to hear more about Tenet
More Ex machina is always good. You should make a video on the hidden meaning of DEVS!
40 Seconds in and immediate like.
Please do an analysis on One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest! I just watched the movie there is yet to be a really high quality analysis
It was interesting. The problem with the example Wittgenstein chose is that he didn't use ambiguous language. His words were too simplistic, direct, and without alternative meanings. It's the ambiguity that allows for "hidden meaning", which is to say metaphor or symbolism.
I really liked the clip about the Turing test, and how they chose to question the nature of what is considered consciousness instead of assuming robots can't be conscious. It's thought provoking.
The interesting thing about the "other mind problem" is that it's actually possible to figure out if people do know what your thinking through mind games. It's disturbing, but fascinating.
I would love to see an analysis for Annihilation!
Refresh your understanding of the meaning of "colloquial"
It has a comfort to it.
Also, the mark of a godly man is in his thoughts and actions, such is the mark of the beast. Both implied by the mark on your forehead and in your right hand. No one knows your thoughts and actions more intimately than God.
Let's hope this is brought up in part 2
Have you seen the Lee Chang-Dong’s film “Peppermint Candy”? I’d love to see your thoughts on the film, especially since it utilizes the same backwards mechanics as Nolan’s “Momento”.
You should check out How Emotions are Made by Lisa Feldman Barrett. It's only tangentially related, but very interesting!
If only tangentially, how do you see it relating?
RIP part 2
when the world needed him the most he disappeared {COME BACK DUDE}
ua-cam.com/video/NLlW5Jxp0RQ/v-deo.html first 10 minutes of a 30 minute video. It’s almost done.
This is why alot of pain can be saved by just saying something hardly anyone says,
'what do you mean?'
surfaces and essences by douglas hofstadter
Didn't you use to have a few videos up on the Gospels? There was one on the blind man of Mark 8 I really liked and would like to find again.
cutto theheart you can find it on my blog. Logosmadeflesh.com
YESSSSSSSS
I definitely think you should review something like Gran Torino next.
This is trippy. It reminds me of westworld how the people think they are real people but once they become conscious, they realise they are robots with living tissue over them copying what they see. I wonder if the real Turing test is to see if we realise we are robots haha!
I think this video explains semiotics rather than symbolism. Symbols (in the classic sense) are like patterns, they can be understood at multiple levels, and applied in multiple contexts. And Wittgenstein, among some great things that he said, had some wrong ideas (especially in the Tractatus period), like sentences being "representations" of reality, a better understanding is that words infer realities, and meaning is found in a network of inferences.
Can you please do your interpretation of the movie Bird Box?
Hey Mathew you should mirror your videos to Bitchute.👍 I think people would love to see and appreciate your quality work over there bro!😃
Thanks for the suggestion! I’ll look into it
I love to hear people talk about consciousness when they have no idea what it is.
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The universal bridge of all minds is physics,
where all intentions of minds are suppressed and expanded,
to a certain form.
So,zou can be certain,that others do exist,like you.
Plz add reference notes You refer in vedios.
It will be very helpful !!
Anything particular you're looking for?
Reality can’t be understood without metaphor!!!
Edit: Well first let us define our terms, by metaphor I mean a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract.
By reality I mean existence that is absolute, self-sufficient, or objective, and not subject to human decisions or conventions.
Because we are human and we cannot get outside of our humanity we must use our subjectiveness to understand the objective.
This sentence is a visual representation of sound. We have taken phonemes and broken them up into an alphabet that then allows us to form words that are commonly used and commonly spelled to hear each other without sound.
Yet what I am trying to say is deeper than “the written word” is an abstraction of sound.
A simile is a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g., as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox ). Similes are a type of metaphor our experience of some thing and use it to deep in our meaning of another.
“As brave as a lion” works only because humans have seen a lion try to take down an elephant. This is only possible because of symbolic thinking that others have similar experiences with. Because things are so complex we simplify them to a symbol. This allows us to communicate with others for a close enough understanding of what each other means when we talk. The Dialectic is how we learned, and our language is filled with shared symbols of meeting.
You and MLK Jr are smart but I wish yall would use less words
Part 2??
Hey, so I've been watching this video several times a month trying to make sense of it, because it shouldn't be that confusing to me; I've thought about this a lot.
Now I think the key is to make a distinction between two instances of "meaning". Meaning 2, say, is the meaning of a word, as found in the dictionary, socially constructed you might say, everything "Professor Wittgenstein" says (In the clips at least, I haven't read the Blue Book) pertains only to this instance of meaning. Meaning 1 is the pre-verbal thought in your mind. This meaning can never exist outside the "interior world that exists inside of us". This distinction is very tricky, because it's so hard to think a thought without putting a word to it, and as soon as you do, it becomes Meaning 2. But sometimes, when I can't think of a word for something, I am aware of a pre-verbal thought in my mind, a meaning without a word.
So words, then, are meaning transportation devices, powered by social interaction and observation, which, when used with a certain level of skill, can provoke a reasonably similar pre-verbal thought in a mind separated by an otherwise impassable divide.
I will try to illustrate this distinction using quotes from the video.
"...the signified is the intangible thought or meaning we associate with it". 3:00 So "signified" is obviously Meaning 2, but "intangible thought or meaning" sounds like Meaning 1. I would make it: "...the signified is the intangible socially located meaning that provokes a unique but similar pre-verbal thought or meaning in our mind".
"...encourages us to think that [the] meaning (Meaning 2) of a word is the mental process (Meaning 1) lying within our heads". 3:22
Wow, it explains why psychopaths and sociopaths have "semantic aphasia"- the meaning of words are not solid in reality to them.
First. I’ll take it.
Could you analyse Stalker, Nostalghia or other Tarkovsky's films?
I'll have to see. Thanks for the recommendation!
Pt 2 coming soon I hope...
Can you do pursuit of happiness or passion of Christ or paul the apostle movies please or crash or pride and glory or gattica
I know you don't do games but I'd personally love it if you tackled The Last of Us Part 2, a very cinematic game. Even if you don't, I'd recommend you check it out purely for the cinematic narrative and plot.
Part 2 ?
One can argue that the human organism is capable of _reflecting_ 'meaning' or *relations between 'facts', 'events', and **_experiences_* .
There is an active element - our imagination - otherwise we would understand everything _instantly_ , the moment, we are exposed to it, _unable to err_ .
It is our capacity to fail in our active, 'constructed' judgement that we are _free_ - unlike a machine that obeys it's design with mechanical precision - albeit reflecting the flaws of it's inventor, even when it comes to machine learning as recently exposed by the defeat of the most powerful GOOGLE GO bot by a mediocre human player...
Unlike the _nominalist_ claim, before there was man, there was already meaning - 'the word' ('o logos') - that is why there is reason for _hope_ beyond our inevitable shortcomings, even if the sum total of everthing will always escape us like a mystery.
Some say he is still working on Part 2.
Where part 2
can you do fargo?
You should do a video on annihilation or devs. I’m sure you’ve seen them given your interest in ex maxhina
Maaate this is what terence mckenna talks about with psychedelia
Interesting. I would love to sit down and have a real conversation with you. I wonder whether you agree with Wittgenstein or not, because this seems to imply consciousness is meaning itself, and I'm interested in how you feel about that.
I’ve been going round and round on that very question. Meaning seems to be an imprint of consciousness on material things.
I suppose that meaning cannot exist without a consciousness to create and recognize it. Be it a human consciousness, or the sublime consciousness of a transcendental entity, i.e God. I would say that consciousness is a codependency for meaning. Without it, meaning cannot be made or appreciated. And perhaps, consciousness cannot exist without meaning because consciousness itself is meaningful. It's fascinating to think about.
@@youthnation1 (please excuse the time delay I live in europe) As an imprint then, are you suggesting the meaning is exclusively to be found in conscious experience and is projected onto the object say; or, that the object inherently has meaning and as two parts of a relationship consciousness is the wax that the meaning is imprinted into? Or a third thing?
@@hedgeearthridge6807 you appear to be suggesting (with a few added implications from me which I will detail briefly here) that nothing exists without consciousness.
If meaning cannot exist without consciousness, then there is nothing with any meaning. "A Beginning of the universe" has a meaning because it implies a middle and an end. However, if there is no consciousness, even the notion of existence itself no longer has any meaning. Do you agree with my logic?
What happened to your video about 'Silence'?
@Logos Made Flesh, read the book Mysticism by Evelyn Underhill. something tells me you are the right type of person for this book.
John 1:14. He lived out the meaning of the word
You don't have to look in the mirror and observe your brow to be furrowed to know you are engaged in thought, so the behavioral definition of thought or consciousness cannot overcome Descartes. Nor could Wittgenstein, for all his sound and fury, answer Brentano, which is why the problem of intentionality is still unsolved.
You should make a collab with filmcomicsexplained
Do Stalker plox
I thought Deus Ex Machina kinda lame... but you made No country and Fury Road more than masterpieces.