2024 BMW M2 - MotorTrend’s Performance Vehicle of the Year Winner!

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  • Опубліковано 20 січ 2025

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  • @digitalprty
    @digitalprty 6 місяців тому +152

    At first, I hated the looks of it. However, it’s really grown on me. Now, there’s one sitting in my driveway. Superb car.

    • @nullravager
      @nullravager 5 місяців тому +11

      mfs after seeing every new bmw ever
      enjoy your new m2 bro

    • @fzr1000981
      @fzr1000981 5 місяців тому +3

      I ordered 2025 with power bump

    • @fusion2258
      @fusion2258 4 місяці тому +6

      @@fzr1000981same here! Also in the same boat as the OP, hated the looks, but its really grown on me. Skyscraper grey and bi-colour wheels for me

    • @fzr1000981
      @fzr1000981 4 місяці тому

      @@fusion2258 portimao blue with silver wheels

    • @maxpoints5082
      @maxpoints5082 4 місяці тому +2

      @@fzr1000981me too. Hopefully arriving by early January

  • @G82Watts
    @G82Watts 6 місяців тому +104

    S58 has now been out for 4 years and not one major problem or even small issues with it reported. Simply the best engine in the game right now. These things can hold 1000hp and not break a sweat. Love the m2.

    • @mik3ymomo
      @mik3ymomo 6 місяців тому +5

      It’s lacking in attractiveness.

    • @G82Watts
      @G82Watts 6 місяців тому

      @@mik3ymomo refer to r44 bagged m2.

    • @1FastMKVSupra
      @1FastMKVSupra 6 місяців тому

      The Gen III B58 is having all the problems in the current BMW I6 lineup.

    • @mik3ymomo
      @mik3ymomo 6 місяців тому

      @@1FastMKVSupra lipstick on a pig.

    • @videogazer801
      @videogazer801 6 місяців тому

      @@1FastMKVSuprawhat else has the Gen3 B58 in it?

  • @chemjam92
    @chemjam92 6 місяців тому +53

    Kudos for the manual transmission. That's almost enough to win on its own.

  • @Revilokab
    @Revilokab 6 місяців тому +27

    Picked mine up 2 weeks ago. I ordered it without ever driving, or even seeing on in person. I’ve never driven any BMW until this one. It has definitely exceeded my expectations and I’m not even through the break-in period.

    • @mike63ful
      @mike63ful Місяць тому

      Haha ! I bought my alpine white w/o seeing it or test driving or even sitting in it too ! Enjoy yours , Thanks.

  • @DevelDogg48
    @DevelDogg48 6 місяців тому +15

    Incredibly happy with mine. My first BMW and M car. S58 just pulls like a train, and so smoothly at that. Got to 150 on the parkway effortlessly right at the shift to 5th gear and I let off, but it wanted to keep going.

  • @jameswillard1
    @jameswillard1 6 місяців тому +43

    As someone that owns this exact car in black I’m happy to see it win, but perhaps as surprised as anyone

    • @Carsrlifepnw
      @Carsrlifepnw 6 місяців тому +9

      Black g87 owner here too. Ive considered the cayman gts and new Emira but performance per dollar...this works much better

    • @digitalprty
      @digitalprty 6 місяців тому

      I have a 2024 ZB in my driveway. Given the competition, I’m also shocked. The car is great fun, though. Now with some extra accolades!

    • @diskreet
      @diskreet 6 місяців тому

      Same, but it really is a great all rounder. Fun daily, hooligan when you want it to be, very quick on track, kids fit in the back.
      I disagree about immediacy though. Turbo lag is enormous at lower rpms

    • @robertTUBEbrazeau
      @robertTUBEbrazeau 6 місяців тому +5

      @@diskreetI love mine to pieces every day. sitting at 3-4000 rpm 2nd through 4th. my car never exhibits lag because I don’t drive it that way.. like never. I cannot understand why anyone would. tell ya what… if you’re driving 10mph in 5th gear you’ve much larger problems than turbo lag… jus sayin

  • @BabaYagaRacing
    @BabaYagaRacing 6 місяців тому +39

    S58 Gang 🔥🔥🔥

  • @Christian-fg3we
    @Christian-fg3we 6 місяців тому +45

    Awesome car. Lets all tip our hats to BMW for still offering a MANUAL!!!!

  • @joelpeterson2074
    @joelpeterson2074 6 місяців тому +17

    I genuinely thought I was the only person alive who really liked the design of the M2. I'm not alone!

    • @karolmaciejewski340
      @karolmaciejewski340 6 місяців тому +4

      I really like It to, don't understand the hate

    • @gamingmamba2584
      @gamingmamba2584 6 місяців тому +4

      I like it as well, this and the M3 I do think are actually pretty nice looking cars.

    • @Tibialstone7
      @Tibialstone7 4 місяці тому +1

      @@gamingmamba2584you’re not alone. It’s just hive mind mentality. It is a beautiful, muscular car with amazing street presence and angles. I love how it’s so different from anything else BMW has done

  • @timmietz
    @timmietz 6 місяців тому +105

    First Mexican to ever win!

  • @speeeding
    @speeeding 6 місяців тому +32

    This car will lend itself very well if Lego decides to make a Technic model.

  • @DavidJCarrell
    @DavidJCarrell 6 місяців тому +19

    Mexico’s best car for sure

  • @johnespanol1273
    @johnespanol1273 6 місяців тому +26

    I own one... just love it.

    • @17madracki17
      @17madracki17 6 місяців тому +1

      It has turn signals !!😂

  • @KarolMaciejewski-b5z
    @KarolMaciejewski-b5z 6 місяців тому +14

    I really like new M2, great bargin and happy that "affordable" car won

  • @Tibialstone7
    @Tibialstone7 4 місяці тому +2

    Driving one of these on the German autobahn is something else, honestly. It is a monster of a car.

  • @raidanrivas3700
    @raidanrivas3700 6 місяців тому +3

    Me recordo a todo lo especial que era el M3 E46 y E92 ... todas esas ricas sensaciones de control, fluidez de potencia, lo q lo hizo leyenda para los conductores sin tanta electronica y obvio una MANUAL DE 6 VELOCIDADES ❤

  • @richardmesser1091
    @richardmesser1091 6 місяців тому +12

    The premium German car made in Mexico

  • @DreamDeepCR
    @DreamDeepCR 5 місяців тому +3

    I’ve had mine for four weeks after having most of the other M cars over the last 20 yrs or so. This is maybe my favourite!!!! 🎉

    • @anthonywebber3197
      @anthonywebber3197 Місяць тому +1

      Ty ty I was torn between m2 and m4 mostly because my dream car was the m3 growing up. I like the looks and seating position of the 2 and I just needed to hear what you think.

  • @Richuals
    @Richuals 6 місяців тому +4

    M2 for the win! 🏆 I’m glad I have one! ☝🏾

    • @Jaybrn
      @Jaybrn 5 місяців тому

      Love my alpine white g87! Good taste sir👌🏾

  • @Mglobal.enterprise
    @Mglobal.enterprise 6 місяців тому +38

    This used to be the best UA-cam
    Channel dedicated to cars.

    • @MrHighlyEvolved
      @MrHighlyEvolved 6 місяців тому +9

      How the mighty have fallen...

    • @Mglobal.enterprise
      @Mglobal.enterprise 6 місяців тому +10

      @@MrHighlyEvolved they fired everyone and got rid of the great shows like head to head and ignition. But kept Johny Lieberman (face palm)

    • @MrHighlyEvolved
      @MrHighlyEvolved 6 місяців тому +10

      @@Mglobal.enterprise Yep, I agere 100%. Lieberman is among the most annoying people out there, along with Doug Demuro.

    • @j.a.g.8689
      @j.a.g.8689 6 місяців тому +4

      Yes, the days of head to head and ignition

    • @Mglobal.enterprise
      @Mglobal.enterprise 6 місяців тому +6

      @@MrHighlyEvolved they should have put Randy Pobst on a lifetime contract.

  • @tinodeblier5694
    @tinodeblier5694 6 місяців тому +4

    That engine is the cherry on the cake, in historie of M Power!

  • @drstevej2527
    @drstevej2527 6 місяців тому +9

    Wow! It’s not a Porsche. Well I guess you can’t win every year.

  • @Matness23
    @Matness23 6 місяців тому +9

    This make me happy. A lot of people have said a lot of bad things about this car, primarily for its looks and weight. But ive ikes it since day one. What BMWs have won PCOTY?

    • @ScottsGuitar
      @ScottsGuitar 6 місяців тому +1

      It’s a great car, one of the best for sale today. And looks are surely subjective. But the weight is a valid criticism. What most ppl don’t understand is you can engineer a heavy car to go fast, but you can’t engineer the dynamics of a lighter car. The real world outcome is a Super competent sports car that feels more disconnected from the experience than cars of the past. More numb would be another way to put it. But if you’ve never driven a past one (especially with hydraulic steering) go for it! You won’t know the difference and will be very happy everyday you own it. -f87 owner

    • @karolmaciejewski340
      @karolmaciejewski340 6 місяців тому +2

      F87 has no hydraulic steering, G87 is superior car than F87c , has much more grip on both axels, turn in is much sharper now. F87 suspension was jarring and bouncy , G87 is much improved with better handling, power is also next level. There's actually 65kg difference between G87 and F87c both with full tank if u put them on a scale. In summary G87 is faster on a straight and on a track than F87C plus has much nicer interior and a best engine in the business for a bargain price.

    • @ScottsGuitar
      @ScottsGuitar 6 місяців тому

      @@karolmaciejewski340 I didn’t say f87c. And I really hope the steering is getting better cuz f87 was mid at best. I also never said f87 was hydraulic either. No need to get so defensive! 😂 weight is weight mate, I never said the new one wasn’t faster or more competent I said it was more numb, which is objectively is, because you can’t beat physics. If weight didn’t matter race cars would all be heavy. Nothing that I said discounts your points or vice versa.

  • @Jcastro9444
    @Jcastro9444 6 місяців тому +17

    M cars are truly one of a kind machines, they do everything well

  • @reptarthetrx2408
    @reptarthetrx2408 15 днів тому

    I just picked up my 2025 M2 in Portimao Blue with a 6 speed manual and absolutely love it. It’s such a great car. Just a blast to drive even on the street.

  • @troma54
    @troma54 6 місяців тому +7

    Lots of sperlatives but very little info.

  • @B-5102
    @B-5102 4 місяці тому +2

    Really does grow on you

  • @jonathanbalogrealestate
    @jonathanbalogrealestate 6 місяців тому

    I drove up to downtown San Jose recently and saw one of these, outfitted with a clean wide body kit, presumably wheel spacers, and a deck lid spoiler. Normally I’m not a fan of wide body kits, but it looked very good.

  • @kerrysullivan9907
    @kerrysullivan9907 4 місяці тому +1

    Put money down January 2023. Received in September. One year in, 0 issues and excited daily to row it!

  • @josefodunga
    @josefodunga 6 місяців тому +7

    This sounded like a paid advertisement...

  • @karolmaciejewski340
    @karolmaciejewski340 6 місяців тому +3

    Love it , fantastic car

  • @chileshemubanga3594
    @chileshemubanga3594 5 місяців тому +3

    Bout the looks,well I know alot of folks don't like it but I do love the looks of it.

  • @hpickettz34
    @hpickettz34 6 місяців тому +11

    M cars are pretty much supercars, they just don't look like it.

  • @MrHighlyEvolved
    @MrHighlyEvolved 6 місяців тому +5

    I don't have any skin in the game, but it's funny that the M2 lost to the Dark Horse in the head to head article a while back, but now it beats it for PFotY? Hmm...

    • @jad4ca
      @jad4ca 6 місяців тому +1

      They addressed that in the video and article

    • @WindyCity1992
      @WindyCity1992 5 місяців тому +1

      They will choose a EU car wether
      Its inferior or not lol

  • @Taylorek2011
    @Taylorek2011 6 місяців тому +2

    I must get one, seems like the perfect upgrade from my MKV Supra.

  • @owenlee4585
    @owenlee4585 5 місяців тому +2

    “the steering for example is wonderfully light but nicely weighted” …what?

  • @ftr911drvr
    @ftr911drvr 6 місяців тому +1

    This makes sense its relatively affordable and excellent performance.

  • @jamesbray46
    @jamesbray46 6 місяців тому +4

    Wonderful car, but y'all seemingly don't know what superlatives are

  • @takkr1979
    @takkr1979 6 місяців тому +34

    It was clearly not a beauty contest 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @G82Watts
      @G82Watts 6 місяців тому +4

      Eh it's just on video and in completely stock form. Just needs to be lowered and get some subtle aftermarket parts and they look insane.

    • @js002003
      @js002003 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@G82Watts 100%. it actually looks great in person but with just a few cheap mods, it looks even more mean and aggressive.

    • @G82Watts
      @G82Watts 6 місяців тому

      @@js002003 r44 bagged m2 is one example of what great parts can do.

  • @RyanLarivee
    @RyanLarivee 6 місяців тому +2

    Is that an Omega watch?

  • @moldyrefrigerator
    @moldyrefrigerator 6 місяців тому +10

    It's only July.

    • @tairance8980
      @tairance8980 6 місяців тому +4

      I think they do it based on manufacturers, since they are now selling "2025" vehicles

    • @Zedties
      @Zedties 6 місяців тому +1

      Well all 2024’s May have been in production already for 6m. 2025’s will coming in in the next few months.

  • @lockheedload
    @lockheedload 5 місяців тому

    I’m a little older these days so I don’t do cars. However, I have an x3m comp and can attest to how much of a blast it is to drive an s58.

  • @sundeepubhi
    @sundeepubhi 6 місяців тому +3

    Atleast you can't see it from the inside.

  • @johnl2613
    @johnl2613 6 місяців тому +1

    I like its performance. Thats it...

  • @HariOmRadhaKrishna
    @HariOmRadhaKrishna 5 місяців тому +1

    We drive our bmw 3-series like it's an M car.

  • @mototodd
    @mototodd 2 місяці тому

    Were there any performance criteria in the judging criteria? I only heard things like value and comfort listed.

  • @CLHHighlights
    @CLHHighlights 6 місяців тому +3

    Nice❤

  • @mikehagmaier3949
    @mikehagmaier3949 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you young Christian Slater with a mustache!

  • @lucidrain9469
    @lucidrain9469 6 місяців тому

    This dude has the best job ever!!

  • @ericmcfarland9687
    @ericmcfarland9687 28 днів тому

    If the C8 corvette didnt exist this would be an easy choice for my next sports car. To manual or not to manual?

  • @tepes141
    @tepes141 6 місяців тому

    And the CS version was not released yet! 😁💪

  • @ripredowski1376
    @ripredowski1376 6 місяців тому

    The BMW M2 is a great gateway car to other BMW's.

  • @joshuaknuckles4594
    @joshuaknuckles4594 4 місяці тому

    M2 beautiful

  • @pazminoa94
    @pazminoa94 6 місяців тому

    Now im undecided. G87 or G80? 😩

  • @shahulhusman
    @shahulhusman 6 місяців тому +1

    Oof.. That's definitely an option I guess ... Best and that m2... Yipes

  • @vnitto
    @vnitto 6 місяців тому +1

    These cars seem very tail happy. People spin them frequently leaving car shows

    • @MaxRPMs
      @MaxRPMs 6 місяців тому

      F series yes G series no

    • @MaxRPMs
      @MaxRPMs 6 місяців тому

      I’ve been in a g87 on the Nurburgring, it was planted the entire time

  • @Rideoflyfe
    @Rideoflyfe 6 місяців тому +2

    GT3RS tho.

    • @susssybaka4342
      @susssybaka4342 5 місяців тому

      Fax the GT3RS would destroy that BMW

  • @6SpeedTA95
    @6SpeedTA95 6 місяців тому

    Is he wearing an Omega Heritage 300m?

  • @MD2525-1
    @MD2525-1 4 місяці тому

    Cant decide btween this and the lc 500. Lc is about 15k more😢😢

  • @stephencurry8552
    @stephencurry8552 6 місяців тому +11

    My E39 weighs less? Amazing how much junk new cars have.

    • @stefanschuchardt5734
      @stefanschuchardt5734 6 місяців тому +3

      And yet it will blow your E39 out of the water! Weight isn't everything.

    • @radglitch7233
      @radglitch7233 6 місяців тому +8

      Is that really the only stat you can flex? lmao
      Go out and test drive a M2. You'll be happy the direction BMW has taken when compared to other car manufacturers.
      Or you can just sit around putting your E39 on a scale. Totally up to you. Whatever makes you happy.

    • @stephencurry8552
      @stephencurry8552 6 місяців тому +1

      @@radglitch7233 Given your use of the word "flex" defines everything I need to know about you. My E39's are maintained by me and naturally paid for. Is your M2 paid for? And if you want to meet in person so you can "flex" on me. I am up for that.

    • @stephencurry8552
      @stephencurry8552 6 місяців тому +1

      @@radglitch7233 PS: You are obviously too ignorant to understand the important concept of power to weight.

    • @stephencurry8552
      @stephencurry8552 6 місяців тому +1

      @@stefanschuchardt5734 Lets do this. I wager my E39 M5 with me driving, is faster around a track than you and your M2. Lets meet in person, so you can "flex" for real. Enough with this online nonsense.

  • @user-zz6iv2ou6f
    @user-zz6iv2ou6f 26 днів тому

    Buy a 1M instead. Modern BMWs lack any sort of feedback. They are premium luxury sports cars, instead of driver focused cars.

  • @edlorenz1552
    @edlorenz1552 6 місяців тому

    2024 performance car of the year, yet they show the 2023 model!

  • @nicklevin9321
    @nicklevin9321 6 місяців тому +6

    This feels like an April fools joke.

    • @saravakos77
      @saravakos77 6 місяців тому +2

      Nobody ever accused you of being smart, right?

  • @fzr1000981
    @fzr1000981 5 місяців тому +1

    2025 in portimao blue on order

    • @canonical8715
      @canonical8715 4 місяці тому

      When does it arrive? My M240 is that color and I love it. Can’t decide if I’m ordering my M2 in that color.

    • @fzr1000981
      @fzr1000981 4 місяці тому

      @canonical8715 if I had to guess, early November...finding a dealer with an open allocation is tough, people seem to be warming up to these cars and there is a power bump in 2025

  • @BejikParul
    @BejikParul 4 місяці тому

    8650 Shanie Tunnel

  • @perrysolomon6020
    @perrysolomon6020 3 місяці тому

    Great car but where I would spend all my time is behind the wheel and that space does not inspire...at all

  • @jeffreyvv476
    @jeffreyvv476 6 місяців тому +3

  • @joed3613
    @joed3613 6 місяців тому +1

    Did the car get a 2/10 for paint color? That would be generous.

  • @dilbertisms
    @dilbertisms 6 місяців тому +1

    Performance ‘bargain’ for $70k 😮

  • @FlorencioTooles-i9f
    @FlorencioTooles-i9f 4 місяці тому

    Joelle Haven

  • @cschilli68
    @cschilli68 5 місяців тому +1

    Love mine! Tuned to 700HP is a big improvmenet with the 6 speed being odd ratios. Build quality is lack luster though. So many rattles the dealer can't seem to fix....

    • @karolmaciejewski340
      @karolmaciejewski340 5 місяців тому +1

      Strange I have no rattles at all in mine

    • @mike63ful
      @mike63ful Місяць тому

      @@karolmaciejewski340Me too ,none !

  • @WilsonGus-p2w
    @WilsonGus-p2w 3 місяці тому

    Adrain Rapids

  • @MinnieRita-j4d
    @MinnieRita-j4d 4 місяці тому

    Wisozk Summit

  • @akhoafrinsumaiya
    @akhoafrinsumaiya 4 місяці тому

    5027 Patricia Shores

  • @HughAaron-e7h
    @HughAaron-e7h 4 місяці тому

    Vena Creek

  • @DeannSandoual-k1r
    @DeannSandoual-k1r 4 місяці тому

    Johns Groves

  • @TerryTiffany-y5q
    @TerryTiffany-y5q 3 місяці тому

    Noel Ridge

  • @dangrass
    @dangrass 6 місяців тому

    nice that it has a manual transmission. Other than that...meh.

  • @MosesTodd-v4h
    @MosesTodd-v4h 4 місяці тому

    Kraig Brooks

  • @HuxleyVincent
    @HuxleyVincent 4 місяці тому

    39637 Jaylin Plains

  • @KingsleyMabel-r3f
    @KingsleyMabel-r3f 4 місяці тому

    Emerald Ridges

  • @skylerssupercarlife348
    @skylerssupercarlife348 6 місяців тому +11

    Pass

  • @meamdw
    @meamdw 6 місяців тому +5

    Take a Mustang over this anytime

    • @karolmaciejewski340
      @karolmaciejewski340 6 місяців тому +7

      Said no one ever

    • @radglitch7233
      @radglitch7233 6 місяців тому +7

      @@karolmaciejewski340 Especially crowds

    • @davej1212
      @davej1212 6 місяців тому

      agreed {2018-2023} m2, a couple ticks SLOWER than a manual GT

  • @MayJennings-b2q
    @MayJennings-b2q 3 місяці тому

    Ankunding Fork

  • @ziglol
    @ziglol 6 місяців тому +1

    I suppose looks no longer factor in…

  • @RhondaBaum-u1q
    @RhondaBaum-u1q 4 місяці тому

    Anita Courts

  • @1FastMKVSupra
    @1FastMKVSupra 6 місяців тому +4

    nobody doubts the performance, it's the looks that are hideous that is the problem.

    • @hpickettz34
      @hpickettz34 6 місяців тому

      Looks is a personal opinion.

    • @1FastMKVSupra
      @1FastMKVSupra 6 місяців тому +1

      @@hpickettz34 and? It's a buying consideration for anyone i've ever met looking to buy a vehicle. For me, it doesn't matter how much performance is delivered, if the vehicle is ugly, it's a hard pass.

    • @G82Watts
      @G82Watts 6 місяців тому +2

      @@1FastMKVSupra r44 bagged m2. Tell me that's ugly. Just needs to be lowered and subtle other things and it's 🔥

    • @1FastMKVSupra
      @1FastMKVSupra 6 місяців тому +2

      @@G82Watts to each his own my guy, just because i dont like it doesn't matter for others that might like it. It's only a face a mother could love IMO. It needs completely revised front and rear bumpers and then i'd probably be much better looking but this muscular mix of sharp angles and marshmallows is not doing it for me.

  • @AndriaRobitaille-l1z
    @AndriaRobitaille-l1z 4 місяці тому

    Gage Canyon

  • @InaPyburn-y4c
    @InaPyburn-y4c 4 місяці тому

    Fritsch Place

  • @owenlee4585
    @owenlee4585 5 місяців тому

    this is word salad. motortrend fell off

  • @Otaner142
    @Otaner142 6 місяців тому +1

    I would take an S3 / RS3 over any BMW

  • @srirammanian536
    @srirammanian536 6 місяців тому

    Looks absolutely hideous

  • @backnu
    @backnu 6 місяців тому +1

    So they don't actually "track test" cars anymore? They just drive around the track and talk about the car, with a history lesson added in about the car ? Where are the numbers? Track times? It's just an opinionated review of the car these days?
    🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈

  • @choppys223
    @choppys223 6 місяців тому +22

    BMW, really… 👎🏼

    • @alim7502
      @alim7502 6 місяців тому +6

      Why exactly?
      Because GT3 RS didn't win?

    • @aymanshaheen92
      @aymanshaheen92 6 місяців тому +6

      I love bmw m2 and m3

    • @valkyrievillage3673
      @valkyrievillage3673 6 місяців тому +1

      The 718 manual is a way better option

    • @ejmbok87
      @ejmbok87 6 місяців тому +2

      I’m kind of surprised BUT I’M A BMW FAN and hope to own one day.

    • @Mikehunt77788
      @Mikehunt77788 6 місяців тому

      What did you want to win?

  • @magneto8002
    @magneto8002 4 місяці тому

    Nissan Z looks better.

  • @justsomerandomguyman
    @justsomerandomguyman 3 місяці тому

    Too bad it weighs almost 4000 pounds.

  • @peterrazny5718
    @peterrazny5718 6 місяців тому

    God these are ugly in OEM spec! Anyone saying otherwise has never seen anything remotely good-looking in their life.

  • @mardono1
    @mardono1 4 місяці тому

    For $70k I much rather buy a used Corvette Z06.

    • @xdmds200092
      @xdmds200092 3 місяці тому

      the 2025 z06 starting price is $113,795...

    • @mardono1
      @mardono1 3 місяці тому

      @@xdmds200092 a use C7

  • @hacklebarry2071
    @hacklebarry2071 2 місяці тому

    rip motortrend, another tragic fanboimobile-- bet you can adjust the severity of the "burbles"