Our Canned Food is way too Heavy | a Pantry Update
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- A few years ago we built a new pantry shelving system down in our basement, so store all of our canned food. We work long and hard to grow all of this, process, and preserve it all - so when I start to see the shelves bending from all the weight, I knew I needed to do something to fix things. The fix will be pretty simple. I'm going to cut up some 1" wooden dowel and place them between the shelves to act as an extra layer of support. But this begs a much deeper question - how much does all this food actually weigh? In today's video we'll find out ♥
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i am a structural engineer. when you put load on one of those shelves, you are essentially putting a triangle of load from the ends to the middle of the shelf across each "beam". the way you solved it, you added all those loads to the weakest point in each beam [edit: the center of each beam], consecutively. as in- added together all the way down to the bottom beam which is now carrying that triangle worth of load from all beams above it. you will now see more deflection (bending) in the bottom beam, and each successive beam moving up as each is carrying less load.
the simple fix is to shim it up to the hgt of the feet on your system.
i would have shimmed the bottom first, using some sort of jack or wedge to get it to the correct hgt. then cut equal pieces of column (dowell) to size, and add them moving from the bottom to the top using a jack or manpower to get each to the correct hgt. but, shimming the bottom should at least limit your deflection as it allows the load to flow into the ground.
i normally dont comment, and i hate armchair quaterbacking a grown dude from my home office in texas, but i do have a unique perspective, and decided i could help. im sure someone out there could teach me how to use my shift key better. seriously though, shim the bottom, and be sure and do the rear asap.
Well that was all gibberish to me. Lol
But I think it's awesome that we all have different skills and have the ability to help one another get the best end result on our projects.
Great comment!
I would use a small chain, like a dog chain, attached it at the “ceiling.” Then screw the chain's links to the shelving frame. It’s also a quick fix for overloaded pine shelving and clothes rods (found in older homes). But not necessarily the proper fix. Just measure your shelves level.
Looks like theres a market for a sagging shelf fix kit.
@@PureLace LOL I agree that he lost me with his explanation. I do know that when dad built our shelves at the old house, he had two vertical supports per shelf. They were staggered so not on top of each other.
That was concern that I had right away just supporting the front. Putting extra pressure to the mid and the back of the shelves could cause more failure?
I’m just a older farm girl seeing this sort of thing in my lifetime ☺️
I just had three shelves of canned goods fall down on top of each other.What a mess. I would definitely put that back brace in!
Oh no! I hope you didn't lose to much canned food.
I am so sorry, I hope you did not loose to much.
Omg….same! I’ve got beet juice everywhere
Nnoooo! Oh no, I'm so sorry that suck! I agree with the above. I hope you didn't lose to much!
I had 6 fall down on them selves they were the plastic shelves.
I lost a few things but will not use the plastic anymore.
Thank heavens. We just finished an inventory and reorganization of our canned and dehydrated goods, and our freezer and I was embarassed at how much food we have. But from the looks of your shelves, we have about half as much. I don't feel like such a hoarder any more. And we do have one set of shelves, filled with tomato product, that is starting to sag. It was the first shelving unit my husband built. That was in 1976, so it's stood up well.
We just redid our pantry so I weighed my jars and the heaviest was a quart of spaghetti sauce at 2 lbs 13 oz...so to be conservative I said 3 lbs per jar. Times the number of jars and you've got a solid idea! Happy honey do-listing, Todd. Can't wait to see both your and Rachel's faces together on camera soon. Prayers from MN.
We put in 2 x 4 spacers and toe nailed them in so they wouldn't move. Still strong after 24 years!
Excellent information for all of us! I appreciate that both you, and Rachel, share the good and "bad." Your video started a needed discussion in our household ♥️
I used your videos to build my last year. I put a support in the center and put my 2x4s the support way. I also used 3/4 inch sanded plywood. They are not as full as yours yet, so we will see if it holds up. I can go 6 deep on the quart and it is 6 ft long. I can stack pints two high.
It’s not a good idea to stack jars. If one on the bottom goes bad, the lid wouldn’t be able to lift off to let you know there’s a problem.
Never stack jars no matter how tempting it is.
Can't figure out how to insert a picture of shelves my husband made that have been incredible. Basically (2) 2 x 4s nailed back to back as uprights with 6" spaced notches for 3/4inch thick plywood shelves that can be slid in and out to fit items. The top and bottom shelves are fixed obviously for sturdiness. What's nice is that I can flip the shelves if start to bow, which over 12 years has been negligible.
Don't know how many jars you have but I think the standard full jar weights 2lbs quart and 1lbs for pint? This is going to be a doozy. I've often wondered about how much the shelves will hold. .... now back to the video 😁
Wow. Those shelves have done great. Good thing y'all caught it.
Another thing to think about... If you have a conventional floor, you might want to add some additional support. Like myself, I've seen many people repurpose a bedroom for a pantry. Food can add a few thousand pounds before you know it.
Is the floor level shelf supported under the dowels?
This is exactly what I needed to see. Been trying to figure out how to support mine! Thanks for this!
Great video, I can't help it, I love when a man fixes things and takes care of stuff. Rachel will really appreciate it!! U both have built quite the stock pile of food!
Wow! I'm looking to build myself such a shelf....and I didn't think all this could weigh so much! Good to know, I'll build it strong.
I love your saw. I want one. Yes, I am a girl.
'You're nice and safe now carrot' 💓
One gallon of milk is 8 pounds, there are 4 quarts in a gallon. So If I guess on how many quarts are on each shelf I'd say I have no idea. lol My husband built me some amazing shelves started with two, then three now four. Oh and one smaller but same build upstairs, so five.
2 lbs per jar 60 jars =120 lbs. Plus.
3 lbs each I was off a little.
I’m guessing an average weight of each 32oz jar is about 2 1/2lbs so I’m guessing each shelf is holding between 80-110lbs of weight because some foods will be heavier than others and the smaller jars are probably between 50-75lbs depending on sizes and content of jars…..great job I’m sure Rachel will love and appreciate it…..
Wow yeah that's a lot of weight 😓 you've got me kinda worried about my shelving now!
glass jars on their own are heavy. But that is a LOT of food. It must make you feel good to see the fruit of your labor.
This was a great video, people really need to plan for the weight of their jars.
Thank you so much Todd.
Wonderful that you have that much food! Great fix for the front, but unless you keep moving jars to the empty front spaces you will need to brace the back very soon. You're doing great Todd!
I know you live in Michigan which is not earthquake country. But here in Oregon where they say the big one is coming I added eye hooks and bungee cords, I don't want things falling off the shelves.
I enjoy your cooking, canning and construction videos. Thank you for all the time spent so people can watch them. Have a great day. Tom, Grants Pass Or.
A board would work better in an earthquake, I’m sure. A bungee cord is better than nothing, but I’m not sure it would hold a bunch of jars on a shelf. Check out Chelsea’s shelves from Little Mountain Ranch.
I put wood slats in front so I can still reach and bring out a jar but the jars can't fall out.
WOW! Lots of canning! Glad I bought the steel shelves that hold 2000 lbs in 5 shelves 36" wide and 63" high. Shelves and legs are all double and steel and adjustable. Now they are $99 each
I do love the space you have for storage and am jealous. But, yes, have modernize the structure. Imagine if you had put that on the first floor or higher in a building that old. YIKES!
Looking at you old structure for the first floor. You have added a lot of weight in the kitchen. I remember the water bed days when you had to shore up under the house to hold the weight of the bed. We did not have all of these heavy appliances and cabinets when these houses were built.
I think many people underestimate A LOT the amount of food we need to live. There is a metric on the web that tells you like how much water one person needs for 2 weeks. You will be shocked if you go and look at that. We are so disconnected from our past. Furniture wasn't built in in the Victorian days like we have today with cabinets and islands and huge stoves and sinks and dishwashers and refrigerators and freezers.
Have you had your ground tested for water and movement too??? The University might do it for you. Oh, and don't get me started on trees - they can reek havoc with those roots. I have many 100 year old oaks. You can't even imagine what happened when we had an historical ice storm and some went over how big the base was. I also discovered when I put a ground spring fed pond in that taking down trees changes your whole water flow on the surface (grass).
What a good problem to solve in the pantry.
do you need to put dowels about halfway back as well or just in front? edit - rewatched and heard you say prob add another dowel as the jars get used in the back ........ looks sooo pretty with all the jars
I'm guessing the average quart is 2 lbs plus the weight of the jar itself. (a pint's a pound the world around).
Remember each filled jar is going to weigh heavier or lighter than the other depending on what is in it. So, find the heaviest jar and go off that weight. This should give you allowances for extra weight.
my husband builds cabinets/ pantries so he beefed up ours by putting a trim like piece of wood on all 3 sides/ and back nailed against the walls / feel free to message me for photos/ yes our canning jars hold ALOT OF WEIGHT- and when you multiply each jar and the force it carries by all those shelves it could be a POWERFUL force if it breaks- and sadly a waste of food etc/. ours began to buckle so that is how he came up with the design/ and the dowel in the front is GOOD you've put in because of the span of space you have on your awesome shelves
I just had this issue myself last month, how did I fix it? I gifted two cases of canned soups and ready to heat up meats to our family. Now I'm careful with the weight on the shelves 😂
Isn't that just how it goes? 🤣 The storage of all those jars and the weight of all the good food is just another part of the battle. Love how you figured it all out.
Edit: Who would've thought that much weight could be in one area?! 😱 Now I'm rethinking my design for the shelving in my small hall closet.
The length of the span is the problem. If the shelves were a lot shorter, it wouldn’t be as much of a problem.
@@cynthiafisher9907 yep, and its a simple fix.. if you even have the issue. Hell, it could be just that if you pay more attention to grain direction its not necessarily just the weight, but the drying of the wood to the grain. pattern.
My sisters very well made shelves her husband made (he is an over achiever or overly secured etc).
But they fell.. FULL of gorgeous canned goodies. Very huge and dangerous clean up.
And so do sad and much hard work, no good food for the family of four.
So glad you noticed they need attention.
Good reminder for families to check theirs
Personally, I would have measured the height of the end which would have been the original height and picked them back up to the original height to take the sway completely out. Wood shelves scare me anyway 🤣 I use the metal shelves from SAM'S that have 3 vertical braces, which hold I believe hold 300+ lbs per shelf, 1500lbs total without casters, and they were only $99 when I found them a couple years ago. I think they are $129 now, but still probably cheaper than wood, lol. The other metal shelves from Lowes, Walmart, and home Depot DO NOT have the middle support brace and will bend like yours. I've actually pointed the metal shelves bending in other UA-camrs videos and they hadn't noticed it. I hope you get yours fixed!!! Nothing like waking up to find crashing jars hit the floor in the middle of the night 😭😭😭 Love you Todd and Rachel! ❤️Kacy
It got too late one night last week for me to run the canner & I didn't want to out the jars in the fridge so I thought I'd carry the Presto 23qt with the water & 7 full quart jars in it to the very cool garage overnight.... NOPE! The canner plus the 7 jars probably weighed about 45 - 50lbs or at least it felt like it! My hubby is a contractor so he has reinforced all my shelves though they are very much smaller than the ones you built (only 1' to 3' deep). Most of my shelves are prefab & aren't the right height so I'm getting egg boxes & similar size from the grocery store to store jars in on my shelves to double stack them. One full quart jar is almost 3lbs each on average. You better plan to reinforce the middle & back of the shelves also. Just doing the front will not be enough to be safe. I realized the weight when I was putting jars in boxes & carrying them down to the basement to store. Hubby originally argued with me about the shelves until he felt the weight of the boxes. Have fun but be safe with your back!
Yep. Been there. Had my shelves come down. Sounded like a train came through my basement. The whole house shook!!
FYI for future reference, book and canning jar shelving should only span 3-4 feet from an engineering standpoint to prevent sagging of wood shelving.
250 Pounds ?
😂 this made me run an take a good look at my female home made shelf's.. thanks for the video.. Blessings
PUT BRACES IN TODD, I wouldn't put just those little dowels,>'d empty the shelves & put front to back braces in every shelf. You'll be really upset if you loose it to collapse. & Rachel will be crying after all her work.
You framed it wrong. Spin those 2x4s on edge and problems solved. Blocking between shelves for support on the ends is crucial as well. I have similar shelving, but a 6 foot span of unsupported. It looks like you have around 4 feet and it’s sagging pretty good.
I used heavy duty metal shelves without a long span. They were from my SIL’s grandfather’s garage. They are old and STURDY!
A pint jar weighs just over 8 oz and when I raw pack chicken I use 15.5 oz. Full pint jars weigh about 1.5 lbs. I figured a full case of 12 weighs apprx 18 lbs
I've designed & built my own free standing shelving for my pantry. Food Emergency Preparedness. I cut 3-4 spacers full width of the shelves to go across the 8ft length. No sagging.
We did get lucky and found a farm up the road selling 6” x 2” x 12’ painters scaffolding used in the construction industry. It was A LOT of scaffolding for 250$ about 20 years ago. We got enough to re-floor the entire barn and enough to build the canning room shelves. Todd we did the same and had them fitted to canning jars. I have no idea how many jars are canned. I kind of just go by a 2-3 year supply of food myself. Good for you taking a fix on this. They look fabulous anyhow. PS.; I painted chalkboard paint on the edges so I could just write what was in the jars above for my poor DH that has to go down and find stuff for me on the fly.
EXCELLENT topic!!!! Thank you for doing this video!
Rule of thumb:
Try to not make a shelf wider than 36” between supports….your shelves look like 48” wide….to second the engineer on the comments below…the vertical support has to go to the floor….due to the extra weight; a support every 24” would be best for canning jars…I would suggest a vertical 2x2 in front of the shelves, attached to each shelf with a metal angle bracket. If the shelves are made of plywood they may need extra support…
That is not going to fix your problem. What about the back of the shelf? the shelves will collapse in the back and everything will slide to the back
I think he said when the shelf is emptied in a few months he will put supports in the back.
Todd said it was a temporary fix until the number of jars on the shelves was reduced.
He said he would put some supports in the back once some of the jars had been consumed. It's a parlay, and it would have been better to bite the bullet, take out some jars, and shore up the back, as well.
But it could be fine, right? If the back jars are pulled forward?
I think he said until they deplete some more jars. 🤔 but they are just starting to sag. I think they are good. They both run a home the way I dream to do one day. I'm getting there. Lol 😆
I was thinking in the neighborhood of 200 lbs. My canning jars are currently sitting in boxes on the floor. I'm hoping Bully shelves will handle them when I move.
Those shelves have to be holding quite a lot of weight. When I carry a case of freshly canned product down to my pantry it has to weight somewhere between 30-40 lbs.
I would say each shelf might be around 200 - 250 lbs.
ummm those dowels are only going to stop the bowing in the front. It needs to have a either a row of those dowels going all the way back, and staggered 2 sets on the bottom , 1 set next shelf up, then 2 sets, then 1 set all the way up OR, a 1/2" plywood 'divider' going from front to back BEHIND the 2x4 braces to hold the plywood shelf above it up. (the dividers need to be staggered too, 2 on bottom, then 1 next shelf, then 2, then 1) Other wise it is going bow in different directions, and or the wood is going to twist. YES it will take up space and YES it will mean you may loose 1 jar row per shelf... but it also means you don't lose the whole thing if it comes down. The pint jars may or may not do it as well over time... it may just take longer before it does.
As some one that has seen shelves bow over and over again cause my hubby thought I was full of it (it just needed thicker plywood, or it needed better bracing, or it needed this or that)... I won in the end when I MADE him do the last set my way... 15 years later NOTHING bowed... and we stored everything from massive amounts of canned goods (metal cans) to sketti sauce jars, to jugs of oil and vinegar. This method works on the metal ones, and the 'plastic' kind you can buy at home depot / lowes as well to stop the bowing.
Happy Canuary. I have the same problem with a pantry I made by combining two book cases back to back. Thanks for the solution.
Great video! Your channel is great for beginners and those more experienced at canning and how to use what we've put up. I'm glad you showed this. So many people don't realize just how heavy jarred food is. The pantry is still sooo pretty even with many jars used!
I'm going round up and prep my shelves for 3 lbs per quart jar.
Thanks for this!!
Your potatoes look beautiful Please do a video on Canning potatoes!!!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗
“WOW” just the weight alone Todd., that’s a long honey-do-list because you could use Rachel help. Good luck 1-28-2023👍🏽👍🏽❤️
I don't know anything. The guy we had build our canning shelves used an up and down support every foot and a half? Plus the corners. He is 200 lbs and climbed all over it to check the support of the structure. I dunno if it'll wear well because it was just installed.
I grew up on a farm with a large basement pantry. My father had built it and he run support shelving same as the shelves, cut to fit from back of shelving to the front when stood on end. He put them every 4 feet and never bowed and lasted 60 years. They braced the entire shelf. I remember Mom canning over 1000 quarts and 400 pints plus all the jams, jellies pickles and relishes. I helped stating at 12 years old. Sorry but yours are still not right.
Ohh geez. That’s hundreds of pounds on those shelves hun. Two years ago I had one fall out of the cement wall took out two shelves below it. Thank God I only lost a few (5 or 6) jars of food but they were beans and ham Lost a few old bowls Real McCoy bowls 😢 Our shelves were made of oak (from our property)
Only advice I can give anyone putting jars 🫙 on a shelf. Think of it like fire wood when you think it’s enough support triple it!!
It’s absolutely heartbreaking 💔 to clean your hard work and broken jars off the floor. And speaking of the floor. If your storage is on a upper level of your house or apartment. Make sure the floors are strong enough to hold all that weight. ❤❤
I would also add more of those dowels that you cut at least two more offset on each of the shelves. That’s a lot of weight and a lot of work and a lot of money I can tell you it’s a Godawful sound when they come down and a horrible mess to clean up. We didn’t lose as many jars bc my husband put plywood floors in a root cellar so there was give to the floor when they came down they only fell a few feet and those jars are very durable 😂. Love your videos thank you for sharing.
Weight is at 300 pounds per shelf, more or less. I would turn the two by four on edge. Put a dado in the middle and use half of the two by four as a stop to keep jars in place.
I started canning last year and this year I realized my pantry shelves were NOT made to hold the weight of these jars. I’ve been trying to figure out how to modify my shelves to make it work. For now I have everything dispersed in different areas around my kitchen to spread the weight around. Sadly we have no basement. My pantry is small but the shelves are deep and we calculated 90 pounds per shelf! No way it’s going to hold that!
Will you be earthquake proofing? My husband use dowels with a screw on side to allow swiveling and large teacup hooks on the other. That way I can open to put jars in instead of having to tilt and not be able to put last couple of jars in. On one side he did the same thing with 1X2’s. Screwing in one side loosely ( so that they can hang w/o me having to pickup off floor) and wall hooks to set board in snuggly.
That secures the front but what about the middle of the shelf? Eventually it'll start sagging.
Tare a empty jar. reduce the weight of the jar. a qt. of liguid weighs 2 lbs. ....
I would've guessed each qt be at least 2lbs each, haven't finished video yet. I'm running into issue store bought shelves bending, my husband is going to figure something out.
Wow! Wouldn't have thought qt weigh that much!
I would recommend dividing your shelf length in thirds and installing a 2x4 as a center brace for support. I would not recommend using a dowell rod as a center support
WOW!! New here and looking forward to watching your videos. 😀
Ha! I didn’t type it in, but I guessed 200 lbs! 😂 How awesome that you guys have so many jars. 🙂
When you can the stuff just take a permanent maker and write on the glass with the year , product and directions if need be. Wipes off with washing or rubbing alcohol. Great idea about the doll rod. But what is the saw you used called? Thanks 😊
If it’s sagging on the front wouldn’t it be sagging at the rear of the shelf?
I’m lucky and my husband welded up a frame for ours. Very sturdy and it’s not going anywhere 😂
Love all your videos Todd! But I’m missing Rachel!
This is my worry, I'm in the process of having shelves built. But I am hesitant because of the weight. Thanks for giving me an idea of how to go about it.
Those supports may pop out as the shelf load is depleted over the next year of no-gardening. That's OK, spring of 2024 will be the perfect time to put in some more permanent supports.
I had to switch from a muscle rack, that the wood bowed on, to a heavy duty chrome rack ordered from Costco, for our canning jars for exactly the same reason. Too much weight per shelf.
Measure from the edge not the middle- and why dowels - use 2x4’s - Hell use a Branch, of what ever,
I can't believe there are so many jars of food. You guys are amazing. I sure hope that those braces do the trick and you don't have to add more on the back side. Oh the job that would be..jars are beautiful though😉
I'm gonna guess one whole shelf of food might be 500 lbs. Nancy from nebraska
My guess would be 100 lbs to 150lbs. Quarts should be around 2lbs plus and depending on how many jars. My guess 50 jars at least per shelf probably more though.
Great job Todd!!!!
My metal shelving unit full of canned goods and preserves collapsed a week ago, what a mess!! Lesson learned.
Just a thought: Is the back going to hold up? My hubby builds things like a tank and that is why. Sure hope and pray that your shelves hold up.
Hi Todd, I think you are on the right track. When we built all of our canning shelves, we used 2"x6"s for the shelves in no more than a 4' span. Each shelf is 3 - 2"x6"s deep with 2" thick horizontal brackets on each end that go front to back(holds a row of 4 quart jars deep), with two 2"x6" vertical braces that go from floor to ceiling on each end. And so far, no bowing. The heaviest of all the sets of shelves is the one with the gallon jugs(plastic) of distilled water. Each shelf holding 30 - one gallon jugs. If a gallon of water is 8 pounds than that shelf is holding 240 lbs, and has not bowed yet. If you want, I can message a pic to you in IG.
Sent pictures on IG in a message
I always learn so much from this channel! Great information, thank you.
I had to switch to those metal wire shelving units. They don’t even blink.
Great video! I took notes. We're moving in to a smaller house(we're renovating it right now). I bought a couple shelves from the hardware store to put my canning on...I took notes so I can figure out how many jars the shelf will handle! 1650 lbs no longer sounds like unbeatable for loading it...
I was so off when asked about the amount of jars, but what the heck 1575 I'm not sure, just came up with random number
I’ve been a gardener almost my hole adult life but as far as growing enough tomatoes to can all thing things, I have no clue. This year will be the first year I grow on a bigger scale to put food away. Can you tell me about how many plants of tomatoes do you grow to have enough to can all the tomato products you make?
We had the same problem so my husband took it all off and put floor wood in supporting the shelf's in each one then to take it apart it's much better all the way up from floor to ceiling. Were going to do some new ones and remember our mistakes. Also never ever use plastic shelf's for food.
had a similar problem, supported the shelves in the center. found that solution to not work for me. as i then felt the need to support the center of the shelve as well. so purchased heavy duty metal shelves. i quessed that I needed shelves to support 300 lbs,
Just put a support board through the center of the shelf it will stop the center mass weight load and still have the space. You would only lose a little space. It's better to give up a tiny bite of space than have the jars fall and lose a lot of food and jars.
Yes I laughed when you said maybe 50-60 lbs 🤣✌🏻
Haven't seen Rachel for awhile, hope all is well with for. Family.
A pint is a pound the world around. So 2 lbs plus the wt. Of the glass per jar.
Those shelves looks good and with the added support they will stand under the weight!@!
Divine timing because I just started to build my pantry shelf!
Hey Todd. This is just a temporary fix. I think you need some metal brackets or something that will hold the weight. If you grab something without thinking about it and knock into the dowel, all your food would collapse. I don't know exactly what you need, I'll leave that to experienced builders but I would use metal and to brace it front and back or else you may lose all of your hard work.
It wouldn’t collapse immediately, just like it hasn’t collapsed before he put the dowels in.
It would hold, the 2x4 won't snap. Not enough weight for that, just to bend over time. Now, it could theoretically bend enough and rip the threads out of the screws, but even then it won't sheer them off.
@@cynthiafisher9907 It's already leaning down. Of course it could.
I have had a shlf in pantry with metal cans bow and fall and nothing broke but still a mess to clean up 😮
… I think that with the addition of the center supports you will be fine … think of a pier and beam wood foundation , there is a lot of weight on it with furniture and people, but the weight is spread out …