Winning the Tinder Numbers Game
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- Опубліковано 28 бер 2024
- Online dating is hard for most guys. I get it. But nobody gets it like the guy I'm gonna discuss in this video. Here is a guy who has swiped on Tinder literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of times. Let's take a look at his results and see what we can learn.
And if you want to do online dating A LOT more efficiently than this guy, you should check out my course Online Dating Academy: toddoda.com/
Hope you guys enjoyed the video and perhaps more importantly, I hope it made you think. Please do AT LEAST the things this guy did right... but ideally do them MUCH better. If you want a resource to help you with that, it's here: toddoda.com
I have a big question how can I stop being so fucking emotional with women
2% success rate on Tinder? I'll take it any day.
I've noticed a drop in quality and quantity of women on online dating in recent times. It's like fighting over scrapes of hamburger when there used to be a full menu.
Yup same, I think gen z is moving away from the apps
Do girls not want to date anymore, or was the app never really about dating and more about validation seeking. Maybe they've found a better app to get validation elsewhere.
and also girls in dating apps linking guys to cash apps or other sites where they can "pay for play".
Also there's app like "skip the games" which are straight up digital escort prostitution. These app wouldn't exist if women didn't willing want to profit from them. If it's not that it's only fans.
Ruthless out there for the average man
@@jakeh2049 but then, where are they going? I also hear night life isn't as busy as it was 🤔
Instagram is where you get most woman.
Most people aren’t meeting people through dating apps to begin with.
YouGov surveys conducted in 18 countries globally in 2022-23 found that overall 10% met their current or most recent partners through online dating, rising only to 12% in the 18-34 age bracket.
The vast majority of Gen Z (and all other generation) are not meeting their partners through Online Dating. Most of it is coming through social circle (friends/family, work, school, jobs, church, etc.)
This alone doesn’t necessarily mean to scrap dating apps in favor of social circle because just because it’s what most people do doesn’t mean it’s optimal (personally I like sourcing from as many places as possible: daygame, nightgame, online game, social circle game) it’s just good to be aware that dating apps are a small subset of how people are actually meeting.
This feels like it's only applicable for really big cities. In my area I'm always seeing the same women over and over again after a while or the apps say there aren't any more people unless I reset the parameters like distance, age and so on. I couldn't possibly get that many swipes on different women, no matter if left or right.
This is my read as well. I used to do very well in online dating, especially on okcupid. Tinder changed the game and their owner, Match, basically bought all the competition and made it equally shitty and monetized.
It's especially bad in smaller cities. It honestly feels not worth the time anymore and that cold approach is a better time and effort investment...shitty because I used to be able to get a match, game the girl for a week while I was at work, and then smash on weekends. It was a very reliable system I had going.
@jaumartinez9006 I'm located in Europe, we have a whole different scope of what big cities are. The actual town where I live has around 800 people, where I work has around 65k and the capital of the county (40 min by car) has 200k. I like to live here, but I think the numbers have an effect on how you have to date because some tips are certainly not working in that environment
Same here, living in a 110k city next to a 100k city, it would be interesting to notice the main differences in trends compared to like really big cities
That guy who played the numbers game on tinder has really motivated and inspired me, Never give up!
125 different women 😱 That’s insane.
Imagine there are some folks that can’t find even one
Location matters too. This guy must’ve been in a huge US metro city.
I approach it as a numbers game and have only been on the apps for about 60 days. I don't have Tinder but am on Hinge and Bumble. I get good results IMO on Hinge in terms of matching + convo but much better date options from Bumble. I don't swipe nearly as much, it goes in groups. I will swipe on 20-30 women on each app then spend the next couple weeks weeding them out. Rinse and repeat. I'm estimating of those 20-30 swips(40-60 total between the apps) I will get ~20 convos and 4-6 dates over 2 weeks.
That means you’re good looking
Could you talk a little more about Bumble? Your comment is making me want to check it out. I don't like the idea of not being able to send a message even if you match. I tried Tinder and it was just awful, glitchy, slimy, all I got was bots trying to sell me OF accounts.
I've been only on Hinge for like 3 months now. I got a few dates during a period where I was sending out like 50-100 likes a day (I had a lot of spare time lol) which is a little much for it to be worth it. It was affecting my mental health, made my head feel a little mushy and I don't want to spend that much time on it. Seems like if I get off of it for a few days there are a few high quality profiles who I actually feel excited to possibly meet, then it's like a long list of accounts I've already seen before and with my age range like 90% bland college girls obsessed with vaguely meme-y jokes and alcohol (which I can't stand). Now I have a few girls who I haven't managed to take out but who still keep texting me, dates who rejected or ghosted, girls I didn't want another date with, and one I actually liked that seems like she would do a second date but is on a 3 week vacation in another country lol. So it seems like less is more, could be the ideal strategy for Hinge to hop on every few days or a few min each day and just run through the new hot girl accounts, but since I've been spending less than half an hour and hardly sending any hearts I'm getting like no results. 2 matches in the past 2 weeks when I'd get a couple every few days. I think maybe the spring has something to do with it too, girls would rather be outside. But it's a little depressing to think of how much work went into a few dates when my profile is pretty good. Got some plans for reworking it to hopefully get it better and good enough even to get hearts, though it's already pretty good as far as what Todd tells you to have in it. I'm def good looking and my profile pic is a good headshot where I'm in a suit lol. I'm in a pretty sizeable city where it makes sense to have more results.
1/5 on tinder is not bad. Most matches never message.
Agree ,they match but don't reply
I got less than 10% of homies body count. Im inspired honestly
While I'm thinking about it, thank you sincerely for all the training, skills, and knowledge that you've shared on your channel. Some people might not see the importance of what you do, but it has meant a lot to me. I especially appreciate you sharing your expertise in a different video post I watched for the first time earlier this week (and for the very helpful grid) connected to more effective and less effective first date topics of conversation.
Agree with Todd about hinge prompts being a good feature. I used to prefer hinge and have better results from it.
That is until I got banned for absolutely no reason whatsoever as far as I can tell. I did not change anything in my profile or messaging, it was really shocking and super confusing.
Of course they refused to tell me why. Really put a sour taste in my mouth when it comes to all dating apps in general.
I also got banned from hinge while I had had the app deleted for a few months ago. I appealed and they said I failed the appeal. Really annoyed me that they wouldn’t even tell me why
That happens on Hinge if a woman has reported you for thinking you're fake, but they don't even bother asking the person for any proof.
That’s scary. Eh, what can you do
All I hear is facts 💯 awesome that u keep it real...
what you say about these guys bashing the guy on tinder and you back in the day reminds me of society in general when they bash PUA stuff in general: it either "doesn't work and is a SCAM" or is "evil because it's manipulative" and works TOO WELL! Which one is it people?
The question is, how much of your time do you want to spend staring at a screen compared to going out into the world and talking to girls in person
Thank you for explaining
please make a video on how to get social proof and merge sets
Hey Todd, could you make a video on how to *be* a sexually attractive man, and how to portray that at all times? (even when there's no women around)
I know you've made many videos on seeding sexual topics, flirting, teasing/push-pull and all the useful information on how to communicate with premise, but I feel like the glue to put everything together is missing.
Thank you for everything!
Your body is what makes a woman decide that she wants to have sex with you and lust over you. I’ve done the years of nerd research so you didn’t have to. It represents everything about you, you can’t fake fitness.
When you see a young robust woman whose features scream health and fertility, you have strong urges. Same thing for women, pregnancy is just costlier for them, so other hurdles and criteria need to be met aswell before they allow themselves to act on that lust.
You might like his online course Value Masterclass, it's kinda all about this
I have a good video idea.
Almost all of us has someone at work who they want to date.
Make please a video how to ask her out without getting fired.
Playboy is mainly a men's Alpha Brand. We're not telling a lifestyle or a dream. Its about doing the work and following your dream.
It took me a long time to realise that Pickup is a numbers game.
I used to wonder how some guys have slept with 1000 women. Then i realised theyve usually approached 10K women 😅
Todd, if you think this guy was not efficient, you are out of your fcking mind. And I'm pretty sure he didn't spend 9 years STRAIGHT every single day on Tinder...
😂 small town tinder is different
Oops, I guess I'll stop spamming the right swipe. I mostly just Tinder while I'm pooping so it worked out timing-wise.
I called it swipin' and wipin'.
Super inspirational. Just imagine if this guy implemented everything Todd teaches about game/online game. This is probably one of your best videos imo.
I think there is a ton of value in real life analysis of individuals’ dating experience by you. Thank you for doing a video on this.
12:18 Question:
If we want to find a girl to be with for hopefully the rest of our life, how do we solve the problem of not knowing if we're gonna meet a smarter, hotter, nicer girl next week? It'd be really hard to say no to the current cute and nice girl because what if that's just the best you'll ever find?
Finding a life long partner is not about finding the smartest, hottest, nicest person. It's about finding a person you want to be with. And now comes the important part: You both have to COMMIT to the relationship.
Studies show that commitment is what makes relationships last.
@@konrad3 Yeah, you're right. At some point you have to "settle" (kinda hate the word but there's truth to it). Luckily, I have no issue with the commitment part.
Maybe the key is to decide before dating people what it would take you to commit to the next person. For instance, you could say you'll agree to date someone if they're an 8/10 or higher in the categories of looks, compassion and ambition (or something along those lines, as an example). That way, by deciding beforehand, you aren't just going by how you feel but actually making a plan and following through with it.
What's your take on that idea?
@@DAMfoxygrampa Sexual Attraction is important for obvious reasons. Besides that your goals and values should align roughly
I'm just spitballing here, but I'd say, start out with an ambitious view of the kind of relationship you want, with your dream partner. Date around and look for that person for as long as you can enjoy the process and stay optimistic that you might find what you really want. Then, if you eventually feel exhausted or humbled by not coming anywhere close to that, and if you're getting to the age when you really want to settle down... then you'll naturally start to consider compromising, but it will be based on an educated breadth of experiences. Hopefully by that point you'll also have enough real life dating experience to know which parts of your dream relationship/girl are actually most important to you, and you can still prioritize those criteria the most, while becoming more lax about other details you realize are not really crucial.
@@Paul-yk7ds more or less the perfect answer and formula
Relationship means sexually exclusive. Generally FWB is not considered a relationship.
criminally underrated and viewed channel
You are similar to my dad bro
This is ok if your 20 or 30 if your 50 not so much 😱😰
Whats the copy and paste text ge used? I will reward correct answers.
I found 90% of women on tinder to be unattractive. 9% fake profiles or only fans. 1% wouldnt give me the time of day. I must be super shallow and picky like women.
Haven't had luck with a "copy paste"-message, anybody fared better?
Wouldn’t he have had at least Tinder Gold, just for the amount of swipes he did per day?
WTF!? all those swipes... I'd rather cold approach than play with these astronomical chances!
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365*9/125 = 26. So it means approx. every month f** new girl for 9 years? Sounds like a good job to me. Todd maybe should take lessons from this guy
That's an insanely good stat overall, and I'm not surprised the Redditors are laughing at him considering those clowns never get out of their basement
If you've seen any of Todd's material, you know his stats are ridiculously better than this. But for most, yeah, one new girl per month? Good job, dude.
While on tinder, I was talking to this gorgeous girl. She was probably an 8 or 9. We were bantering and it was fun. She even started calling me "daddy". I started occationally adding in some banter that could be interpreted as a "get to know you" question. She responded with more banter. She then asks me where I'm from and before I even get a chance to respond she unmatches me. Can you explain that?
Tinder has this glitch where conversations vanish. It's depressing. There are reviews about it. It happened to me. One of many reasons I ditched it after trying it as an alternative to Hinge for a couple weeks.
too much bantering without getting to the point? Chicks have thousands of matches to go through, so they aren’t going waste time bantering with one option
I'll be honest, this just makes me more sure I'm uglier than sin. We know being physically attractive is the most important thing on tinder
Its really hard to find someone who is actually ugly. Its usually a mix of being out of shape, not washing your face/brushing your hair into the style that works for you/trimming your facial hair in the style that works for you/not figuring out at least 2 outfits that you look really nice in (its a lot easier to do that when youre in good shape).
If you're thinking "You're just sugar coating to be nice." No. I'm an azzhole. I don't care about your or anyone else' feelings. I just don't like the missed opportunity of people thinking they're ugly when it's usually 5 other things causing them to hate how they look. Finding the right appearance for yourself takes years unless you have a lot of free time and money to experiment. Get to it.
@@doommuffinz5276 it's not hard actually. The market decides. Its decided apparently. I don't think I'm ugly but the market seems to think so and that's what matters.
I know the feel, I went straight from the barber (fresh haircut/beard) to a studio to get professional photos so I could pick and choose a good headshot as my 1st pic, dress shirt and everythin
bought Tinder Platinum for one year (luckily a value offer so not too costly) and then went to town with it to see the results
In the 7 months that I used Tinder, I got roughly 25 matches total ~about 6 were gay/transvestite dudes, and another 10 or so were fat/chubby women
(when I used Super Boost it was the only time I spammed right swipes without looking really, so the gays and fatties slipped into the matches)
the remaining 8-9 matches were various plain/average women (one of them an older milf), most of them never responded after the 1st message/exchange, and only one match lead to a small conversation (where I did most of the talking) that ultimately fizzled out
I even bought Todd's ODA thinking I'd get to practice his advice, but I never got any chance to spit some actual game online to begin with all these months, given the lack of matches 😂
also, my profile got liked by women of their own initiative a grand total of 4 times ~3 fatties, 1 transvestite ~ in these 7 months (consider that my profile had higher visibility too since it was Platinum)
outside of using super boosts spam once a week(free via Platinum), I was otherwise careful with the algorithm and my swiping, as well as my Super Likes and 1st messages,
ultimately it resulted in an average of 1.2 unresponsive match per month that led to nothing
it's a brutal world out there for us men whose looks do us no favors
@@Dimes607how many women did you talk to during these last 2 years just out of curiosity?
@@aliollahnazari7946 in two years? Probably near two hundred or so. I don't really count its a guess. They just want something different and that's ok
Tinder is dead now, it's an echo chamber for very depressed people.
Trust me, you don't want to waste your time and money on Tinder.
75% of 18-24 y/os downloaded it at one point
If playboy offered you a million a year for Mr. King Of The Game to sponser you. Would ypu take it? You can keep your products. But there are conditions...
Maybe he wanted ONS at the first 8 years
Yeah, a date a week stinks. I get like 5 per week and half the time I have custody and cannot date.
It's relative to so many factors. Aside from your schedule and goals, it also relates to how selective you're being. I used to go on a lot of first dates from apps, but more than half of them turned out to be unattractive in person. It would have been better to be more selective, maybe screen with video calls first, and have fewer dates with a higher % of attractive girls.
someone named anthony recenello keeps putting dating coaches down reacting to their lectures. he hasn't reacted to you yet but watch out.
Great video Todd. I enjoy the math. But one observation - swiping 30 mins per day for 9 years equals 1.642 hours. And he got 2 relationships out of it. If he is paid 20 USD per hour, it cost him 32.840 USD. He better have worked and bought a nicer car. It could have gotten him more dates then the Tinder swiping 🙂 From my point of view, I believe I can get more "matches" in 1642 hours on the street or shopping malls 🙂
Sorry to disappoint. Dating apps don't work.
It’s a skill issue
@@RealJandi Tell us all about the skills needed
They work, I got my very first girlfriend from the third match that I turned into a date, and I have big disadvantage of living in the midle of nowhere and my profile is...not optimal, also I got 2 likes while visiting a big city for 1,5 days without actully using the up, so I think if I lived there I could find someone in 2 weeks.
@@Koettnylleyou need to write first message with high answer rate, you need to learn how to escalate, close naturally and fast, and also work on yourself, make your life interesting to talk about
Dating apps don't work FOR YOU maybe
Online dating is gay
If you on grindr
@@swaggybaconcheese1566 nice one
40 year old white male here living in San Francisco, if I wanted to get a membership on o e if these dating sites, which one would you recommend; hinge, tinder, bumble. Etc…
Thanks for the content,
Keep up the good work
Those 3 all have lots of potential. Todd usually promotes Hinge as being his personal favorite.