The fact borrasq can out spot lights speak volumes how cvs should not be mounted on mediums,as for Czech tanks a support class should emerge.. Sheridan belongs there too
Honestly i hate its autoloader a lot more. Inevitably make a tiny mistake? There goes half your health from an unspotted borrasque. Even worse if you play with a tier 6, the thing can straight up kill you sometimes from full health or leave you on very little. But since its a premium, it will forever stay that way.
Just removing the ability to mount CVS on anything but lights would solve the some mediums being better spotters problem, as for the Czech lights, that's a decision for the player, do you want to be a good scout, or do you want to have some meme damage potential, same as with the US lights.
Totally agree with you on CVS - However, I’d argue that players don’t really get a real choice of how to play the Czech Lights Even if you try to carefully play as a proper light you get out-spotted thanks to the mediocre camo and bad view range. At least with the American lights they get good view range… the combo of meh camo and VR just kills their Light tank potential.
@@Tankers4Change The choice is that you either play them because you want to try and have some meme damage games or you play another light that can scout, and yes the US scouts have better view range but they are still not good scouts either.
Good point, but how many times do you get Prok, and your light dies in the first 30 seconds, leaving you all against something like Manticore with full equipment? Nerfing everyone's spotting ability leaves only light to be able to spot, and when your light tank isn't doing its job, you're doomed.
This was something I considered. It’s why I think there should be a minimum of 2 lights on specific maps like Prok or Mali. If both your lights die after 2 mins, it’s bad luck then. But I don’t think these instances are enough to justify making mediums faux light tanks when they will outperform lights on most other maps.
They should reduce every high tier medium's view range with 10 or 15 meters base or heighten light tank view range. Another issue you didn't mention is that if you're on himmels, besides rather playing a medium for the gun, you also get a better hp pool on a medium. A 1900 hp leopard 1 with the gun of the rhm pzw would still be a better tank than the actual rhm pzw on such a map because of that.
I thought about including the differences in meds and lights, and how meds have the advantage most of the time. But for scope of this video I wanted to narrow it down, so it wasn’t too long. In my other discussion video about lights I touch on the durability gap more. I could get on board with directly reducing the VR on meds too. But I think it should also be done across the board for TD’s and heavies too… which is a lot of work. Thus, the idea for tweaking equipment and skills.
I would love to point out that the tesak has the 2.nd worst camo, joint 2.nd worst veiwrange, joint 2.nd worst topspeed and what makes it even worse is the PEN on the gun being literally 192mm over the 190 mm pen you get on an EBR 105 which can go 95 literally 30kmh FASTER then the tesak with its meager 65 kmh.... and the pen isn't limited to normal, also the special ammo sucks, and it's the same on the Selma at T9 only the T8 Blesk has around the same pen as the T8 lights.
well this has always been a problem, and matching Grilles vs E3s are way bigger problem than this imo, but yeah, when this thing came out, I compared it to Bat and thought why would I ever play this over Bat, you can do exactly same things and way more...
Absolutely. The aim of the video wasn’t to say it was a new problem. But rather that it’s an old one highlighted by the issues of a newly released tech tree and crew system. - As for MM, that will be another video so stick around lol 👍
Been complaining about lack of class identity for light tanks for over a decade. ONLY light tanks should have base view ranges beyond 400. Medium tanks should cap out at 400 base. Heavies & Ambush TDs at 380. Siege TDs & Arty at 360. CSV should be limited to light tanks or a rare few mediums defined as recon (mediums that are all gun, no armor like the BC25/Leo/Barrasque). Should only have 75% efficiency on those mediums. Low noise exhaust should be limited to lights and ambush TDs Lights should be barred from equipment that improves vehicle durability.
Lights and suqishy mediums actually kinda suffer from crew 2.0 as they HAVE to pick camo on all their crew members instead of one. Heavies and 50M kinda vehicles dont need camo so they can opt in for better perks
I had this initial thought as well, however, I think the flip side is that a lot of those brawling mediums, TD’s, and heavies that were taking camo as their 5th, 6th or 7th “throwaway skill” , pre-crew 2.0, now aren’t benefiting from the camo now. Because there are often better skills for them to take. So it *kinda* balances out because the tanks that do have camo, squishy meds, not only can leverage their VR better, but can more easily spot newly non-camouflaged tanks. But I would love to see the trends on tomatogg over time to compare tanks like the E50 & 430U vs other squishy tanks and see if there is any notable differences in performance over time.
Gonna copy and paste this, because someone else had the same exact thought: The issue you brought up is something I considered. It’s why I think there should be a minimum of 2 lights on specific maps like Prok or Mali. If both your lights die after 2 mins, I say it’s bad luck then. But I don’t think these instances are enough to justify making mediums faux light tanks when they will outperform lights on most other maps.
@@Tankers4Change I've had a few games with elc vs blesk. I think MM is the problem. I also wish WG restricts less experienced players with premium LT, I've encountered too many games ruined by new players having access to premium LT specially Char MLE.
I disagree a heavy Tank without enough spotting range is a dead tank i call for nerv light tank spotting range because they make the game static and boring.
True - the diversity come from the different and skills. Skills need more balance to make true "builds" And meds should never have the capability of lights for spoting. However, anything could change in wot except the premium tanks - i would have proposed to remove borasque, but WG actualy introduced Miel. If they dont remove it at least veryone should have it :)))
Bourrasque is one of the most played t8 premiums. One of the most selled premiums, do you really think they are removing it? And then have problems with the law? You basically take a thing away that the costumer had paid for. This is illegal.
@@obi-wlankenobi Yes, i have a bourassque as well, and i would give it back for money for a healthier game. What is the point to having hundrets of tanks, and only one beeing good?
the cvs point is valid. imo dumb equipment in general but if it HAS to be in the game lights SHOULD be the only ones that have it. the class lines being blurred tho? yea all of that is fine. its fun. let wg come out with weird tanks. the t110e5 was always the best medium in the game. you should complain more about the shitty physics changes that ruined that arcade tank feel we all loved. what kind of 6ton tank touches a rock and loses control/ slides the entire thing? the physics are just as unrealistic as old physics. but the old one was more fun. 1 arty per side max bring back old he. fun game again.
Hey thanks for your feedback! - my point on class role blending wasn’t to say it’s all bad, rather it’s to say there is a general consideration around versatile playstyles (like the E5 you mentioned, and tanks with high firepower) But like I said in the video some of the blending definitely makes other classes obsolete. And that’s my main issue.
@@Tankers4Change i think just the cvs change would solve the borat being better as some less strong lights. i agree with you tho i just think borat is fun and well designed. cvs is main issue (btw i dont even have a borat just proj 46) mayb it is too strong in general but i think its well balanced. that cvs tho. broken
They literally recently rebalanced 8 maps, 3 tech trees, and reworked Crew 2.0 twice before releasing it… I get the sentiment, I really do, but with how much they’ve been working on as of recent, I don’t think they “think their game is perfect”
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A good tesak will destroy a mediocre manticore. This destroys your example. Nevertheless, I think class specific bonuses (whether through perks, equips, or some other natural bonus) is a good (and obvious) path forward
@@sohu86x Lol what? A “good” anything will destroy a mediocre Manticore. Because it’s not about it the light tank at that point, it’s the player skill. Your example doesn’t follow. The example I gave makes the implicit assumption that both players are of equal playing level. Because we are talking about the tank’s ability themselves. But nevertheless, thank you for your feedback :)
@@Tankers4Change My point is your argument that a manticore will always beat a tesak (say on Prokhorovka with only 1 LT on each side) is not true because, as you say, it highly depends on player skill. How many games have you played? I'm a unicum with about 30k games and rarely (if ever) see the assumption of equal skill player happening in the game. That's why I don't think your example holds - because it is a laboratory example, not a real world one. I might be coming off as extreme nit picky but experience tells me that assumptions such as "we have great light tanks and should be able to easily win this spotting map" hold true about as often as they are false. So I don't really dwell on what tanks other players are playing and focus on my own performance.
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The fact borrasq can out spot lights speak volumes how cvs should not be mounted on mediums,as for Czech tanks a support class should emerge.. Sheridan belongs there too
Borat camo rating needs to be nerfed too.
@@nimay13not gonna happen
Honestly i hate its autoloader a lot more. Inevitably make a tiny mistake? There goes half your health from an unspotted borrasque.
Even worse if you play with a tier 6, the thing can straight up kill you sometimes from full health or leave you on very little.
But since its a premium, it will forever stay that way.
Just removing the ability to mount CVS on anything but lights would solve the some mediums being better spotters problem, as for the Czech lights, that's a decision for the player, do you want to be a good scout, or do you want to have some meme damage potential, same as with the US lights.
Totally agree with you on CVS - However, I’d argue that players don’t really get a real choice of how to play the Czech Lights
Even if you try to carefully play as a proper light you get out-spotted thanks to the mediocre camo and bad view range. At least with the American lights they get good view range… the combo of meh camo and VR just kills their Light tank potential.
@@Tankers4Change The choice is that you either play them because you want to try and have some meme damage games or you play another light that can scout, and yes the US scouts have better view range but they are still not good scouts either.
@@Tankers4Change CZ lights are fine and good adition to the game, i would not change a thing about them right now.Chinese rocket heavys on other hand
@@Musa-xx6qe??? Apart from the premium, the chinese rocket tanks are probably the most balanced line in the game.
Good point, but how many times do you get Prok, and your light dies in the first 30 seconds, leaving you all against something like Manticore with full equipment? Nerfing everyone's spotting ability leaves only light to be able to spot, and when your light tank isn't doing its job, you're doomed.
This was something I considered. It’s why I think there should be a minimum of 2 lights on specific maps like Prok or Mali. If both your lights die after 2 mins, it’s bad luck then.
But I don’t think these instances are enough to justify making mediums faux light tanks when they will outperform lights on most other maps.
They should reduce every high tier medium's view range with 10 or 15 meters base or heighten light tank view range. Another issue you didn't mention is that if you're on himmels, besides rather playing a medium for the gun, you also get a better hp pool on a medium. A 1900 hp leopard 1 with the gun of the rhm pzw would still be a better tank than the actual rhm pzw on such a map because of that.
I thought about including the differences in meds and lights, and how meds have the advantage most of the time.
But for scope of this video I wanted to narrow it down, so it wasn’t too long. In my other discussion video about lights I touch on the durability gap more.
I could get on board with directly reducing the VR on meds too. But I think it should also be done across the board for TD’s and heavies too… which is a lot of work. Thus, the idea for tweaking equipment and skills.
I would love to point out that the tesak has the 2.nd worst camo, joint 2.nd worst veiwrange, joint 2.nd worst topspeed and what makes it even worse is the PEN on the gun being literally 192mm over the 190 mm pen you get on an EBR 105 which can go 95 literally 30kmh FASTER then the tesak with its meager 65 kmh.... and the pen isn't limited to normal, also the special ammo sucks, and it's the same on the Selma at T9 only the T8 Blesk has around the same pen as the T8 lights.
Very good points! love to see it
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well this has always been a problem, and matching Grilles vs E3s are way bigger problem than this imo, but yeah, when this thing came out, I compared it to Bat and thought why would I ever play this over Bat, you can do exactly same things and way more...
Absolutely. The aim of the video wasn’t to say it was a new problem. But rather that it’s an old one highlighted by the issues of a newly released tech tree and crew system. - As for MM, that will be another video so stick around lol 👍
Very good material.
Thank you 🙏
Been complaining about lack of class identity for light tanks for over a decade.
ONLY light tanks should have base view ranges beyond 400.
Medium tanks should cap out at 400 base.
Heavies & Ambush TDs at 380.
Siege TDs & Arty at 360.
CSV should be limited to light tanks or a rare few mediums defined as recon (mediums that are all gun, no armor like the BC25/Leo/Barrasque). Should only have 75% efficiency on those mediums.
Low noise exhaust should be limited to lights and ambush TDs
Lights should be barred from equipment that improves vehicle durability.
Lights and suqishy mediums actually kinda suffer from crew 2.0 as they HAVE to pick camo on all their crew members instead of one. Heavies and 50M kinda vehicles dont need camo so they can opt in for better perks
I had this initial thought as well, however, I think the flip side is that a lot of those brawling mediums, TD’s, and heavies that were taking camo as their 5th, 6th or 7th “throwaway skill” , pre-crew 2.0, now aren’t benefiting from the camo now. Because there are often better skills for them to take.
So it *kinda* balances out because the tanks that do have camo, squishy meds, not only can leverage their VR better, but can more easily spot newly non-camouflaged tanks.
But I would love to see the trends on tomatogg over time to compare tanks like the E50 & 430U vs other squishy tanks and see if there is any notable differences in performance over time.
If you removed mts view range then there is no chance to win in spotting maps if your teams LT dies in 30 secs.
Gonna copy and paste this, because someone else had the same exact thought:
The issue you brought up is something I considered. It’s why I think there should be a minimum of 2 lights on specific maps like Prok or Mali. If both your lights die after 2 mins, I say it’s bad luck then.
But I don’t think these instances are enough to justify making mediums faux light tanks when they will outperform lights on most other maps.
@@Tankers4Change I've had a few games with elc vs blesk. I think MM is the problem. I also wish WG restricts less experienced players with premium LT, I've encountered too many games ruined by new players having access to premium LT specially Char MLE.
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I disagree a heavy Tank without enough spotting range is a dead tank i call for nerv light tank spotting range because they make the game static and boring.
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True - the diversity come from the different and skills.
Skills need more balance to make true "builds"
And meds should never have the capability of lights for spoting.
However, anything could change in wot except the premium tanks - i would have proposed to remove borasque, but WG actualy introduced Miel.
If they dont remove it at least veryone should have it :)))
Bourrasque is one of the most played t8 premiums. One of the most selled premiums, do you really think they are removing it? And then have problems with the law? You basically take a thing away that the costumer had paid for. This is illegal.
@@obi-wlankenobi Yes, i have a bourassque as well, and i would give it back for money for a healthier game. What is the point to having hundrets of tanks, and only one beeing good?
the cvs point is valid. imo dumb equipment in general but if it HAS to be in the game lights SHOULD be the only ones that have it. the class lines being blurred tho? yea all of that is fine. its fun. let wg come out with weird tanks. the t110e5 was always the best medium in the game. you should complain more about the shitty physics changes that ruined that arcade tank feel we all loved. what kind of 6ton tank touches a rock and loses control/ slides the entire thing? the physics are just as unrealistic as old physics. but the old one was more fun. 1 arty per side max bring back old he. fun game again.
Hey thanks for your feedback! - my point on class role blending wasn’t to say it’s all bad, rather it’s to say there is a general consideration around versatile playstyles (like the E5 you mentioned, and tanks with high firepower) But like I said in the video some of the blending definitely makes other classes obsolete. And that’s my main issue.
@@Tankers4Change i think just the cvs change would solve the borat being better as some less strong lights. i agree with you tho i just think borat is fun and well designed. cvs is main issue (btw i dont even have a borat just proj 46) mayb it is too strong in general but i think its well balanced. that cvs tho. broken
lol E5 best medium with top speed 40 kph? How does it even make sense? :D
My man you have forgotten. Mediums use to be spotters. The bt25 use to be one of then 😂
That's only because there's no T10 lights back then
They should remove the camo skill and bake it in meds and lights and tds. Heavys are better to skill the crew
WG WONT CHANGE THOSE PROBLEMS, THEY THINK THEIR GAME IS PERFECT
They literally recently rebalanced 8 maps, 3 tech trees, and reworked Crew 2.0 twice before releasing it… I get the sentiment, I really do, but with how much they’ve been working on as of recent, I don’t think they “think their game is perfect”
@@Tankers4Change sir, i would like to tell you that they “think their game is perfect” comes from my player support ticket. I talk to my player support personnel and he give me the idea of this sentence. Second, the things you are talking about is the only massive patch that wg make in this 2-3 year period. you can see WOT RU got massive patches every month(incoming 30+ tanks balance). Compare to RU, do you still think wg is doing their best?
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A good tesak will destroy a mediocre manticore. This destroys your example. Nevertheless, I think class specific bonuses (whether through perks, equips, or some other natural bonus) is a good (and obvious) path forward
@@sohu86x Lol what? A “good” anything will destroy a mediocre Manticore. Because it’s not about it the light tank at that point, it’s the player skill. Your example doesn’t follow.
The example I gave makes the implicit assumption that both players are of equal playing level. Because we are talking about the tank’s ability themselves.
But nevertheless, thank you for your feedback :)
@@Tankers4Change My point is your argument that a manticore will always beat a tesak (say on Prokhorovka with only 1 LT on each side) is not true because, as you say, it highly depends on player skill.
How many games have you played? I'm a unicum with about 30k games and rarely (if ever) see the assumption of equal skill player happening in the game. That's why I don't think your example holds - because it is a laboratory example, not a real world one.
I might be coming off as extreme nit picky but experience tells me that assumptions such as "we have great light tanks and should be able to easily win this spotting map" hold true about as often as they are false. So I don't really dwell on what tanks other players are playing and focus on my own performance.