Growing Porcini Mushrooms From Spores Debunking The Myth
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2019
- Do you think it's possible to grow Porcini mushrooms from spores or mycelium in your home or your garden?
By pressing buttons on your computer you will see lots of websites , online stores and UA-cam videos trying to sell you Porcini spores, Porcini mycelium and also methods on how to grow and cultivate this popular king mushroom successfully. You will be promised to get unbelievable crops, around 250 kg per year, by using their product. So we decided to visit our forest and tried to find Boletus Edulis in order to try grow them. Especially if you know that the price per kilogram can reach up to $200 US, it is much more expensive than other delicacy. How mush money investors could invest in this Porcini farming if it would be possible? If people could grow them like table mushrooms, Agaricus or Shiitake mushrooms.The first reason is that Boletus is an ectomycorrhizal mushrooms.
Boletus edulis is quite different from other macro mushrooms like saprophytes or parasites which feed on the dead organic matter or on living organisms accordingly. But instead Porcini develop symbiotic relationships with trees like oak, pine in deciduous and coniferous forests. the mycelium of that mycorrhizal mushrooms create cage like structures around the tree roots. Providing the tree with fast absorbing nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, mushrooms receive in return products of photosynthesis like sugar, carbohydrates, amino acids and phytohormones. #porcini #mushroom #mushrooms #bolete #growingmushrooms #growingmushroomathome #mushroomgrowing #mycelium
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You make it sound like removing the fruiting bodies is a bad thing. It's a life cycle, the bodies are meant to be moved in order to distribute spores. Picking mushrooms does not hurt the mycelium organism. Personally when I pick mushrooms I wave them around to propagate spores xD
Correct. Mushrooms have been collected since recorded history. Picking mushrooms is no different than picking an apple. Apple trees and boletus mycelia still exist. Other than that point video was on point.
I dont think waving them around does very much.
If you pick them for consumption, you pick them young, before they are ready to release they're spores...
But that's my theory...I'm a mushroom grower tho, not a picker...
@@Theoldindie not necessarily. Lots of mushrooms, including boletes are often still enjoyable even after they start releasing their spores.
When you pick up a mushroom, even if you shake it a little to release spores, it won't release as much spores as if you had left it there
Flick before you pick
Should never use the phrase, "We are never going to understand." Our curiosity is insatiable, and our imaginations are relentless.
and still, we f**ck it up badly on a regular basis.
Only imagination will help you to grow porcini at home. Good luck!
This channel mainly focuses on botanicals and she acts like a know it all just because she read some stuff off of google. "Only imagination will help you to grow porcini at home" pretty condescending comment but not surprising coming from somebody who said she picked up a "genus" of a mushroom in the first few minutes of the video when she should have referred to the species i.e the formosa variety but what can you expect from somebody who hasn't studied mycology?
@@tonylee1393 Actually I have a degree in biology. I do not use “Google” or “UA-cam” knowledge to make my videos I prefer books. If you disagree with me please present your arguments.
@@Classyflowers It's really ironic because if you actually read the thread you would realize you are proving my point. You are being condescending and you don't know mycology. Humble bragging that you have a "biology" degree and then conflating that with understanding mycology shows the depth of your education. If you actually took the time to read my statement like you do your "books" you would realize I didn't mention UA-cam videos because there is nothing wrong with UA-cam videos, as a matter of fact Paul Stamets has posted plenty of videos online and if you know anything about mycology you would know he's one of the premier mycologist. You're probably going to say things like "google owns youtube same difference or then whats wrong with using google then?" to which I would say there is nothing wrong with using google its just the way you use it again acting like you know when you clearly don't. These points clearly went over your head and you're just mad somebody called you out so you felt the need to validate yourself by saying "I have a biology degree", very classy of you.
Thank you for explaining! I went to the market the other day, and to my surprise, I saw porcini mushroom spores being sold - for growing. I had never heard of anyone doing that, so I had to explore this topic
Fraud Don’t buy
This is a remarkably funny, confusing and educational video.
xD i did it with lactarius deliciosus in my yard and it worked. I never had this mushroom in my yard and a few years later, since i started dropping cuts of lactarius under a pine, i had one fruit so the spores successfully collonized the roots of the pine. Ah btw it is a 100+ years pine.
Is so annoying some people treat mushrooms like plants. Interesting video keep up
great video! I'd be interested to see your checking back on this location next fall.
Trust me, I will
@@Classyflowers soooooooo what happened ?
@@ArialAElise Nothing happened
@@Classyflowers lol
@@Classyflowers Oh nooooo how disappointing!!
Nice. Thanks for the info
You are great. I love this. Thanks for saving me a bunch of heartache and teaching me a bunch at the same time. Right on
Love vids that give you the inspiration to go homestead
At least you did it, and though you doubt it,my friend just contacted me to show me the Boletus edulis growing where he innoculated several years ago in an Oak forest
An Oak forest in Australia where they have never been recorded before.
It works
How did he inoculate porcini? What method did he use?
@@Classyflowers He took some fresh caps, not so fresh actually, whizzed them up in a blender and then diluted into 20L of water. add some molasses and liquid humates, then drizzled than in shallow furrow lines throughout a 100 year old Oak plantation. That was 5 years ago. Fruits this year but some may have been missed last year
most importantly this species has never been recorded in this area before. its a recent find from another state and he was sent some caps so he could try his hand at innoculation
@@Classyflowers when i can get some caps from him i will be innoculating cuttings of Simon poplar and Cottonwood
with Boletus edulis. you can google a paper on that. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11461-008-0077-9
Poplar and Cottonwood... 😂😂😂 Why not Cactus? 😂😂😂 Save yourself disappointment...
I used to have a porcini patch behind my caravan on a farm where i lived. What a luxury. I used to think perhaps the only 'farming method' that might be feasible would be to water that patch of pine needles during dry times. I never tried it though.
Great content thx for the info
do you have the continuation of this? Did you get the next year or the year after?
With that type of attitude, I’m sure they will grow down the street too! The mind is most powerful. Think it into existence. Thanks for the video. Very nice 👍🏾
I guess I am fortunate as I have a silver birch tree in my back garden and this summer the crop formed a ring around the trunk of the tree about 2m radius from the trunk.I collected the crop and have dried them until they are biscuit dry and crumble to dust when crushed, perfect for soups.
Ah yes. Yeast and alcohol, classically known for their fungi stimulating abilities.
Are you serious?
This is amazing, love you’re step by step fake reasoning.
My favourite moments in life we’re picking cep with my dad… I was always wondering why we couldn’t grow them.
I’ve always known the forests are magic, fingers crossed those tasty treats pop up in ten years !!🎉
15 years seems reasonable to wait for them to grow if it's going to work. Yes, one day we will understand this third party involved in the relationship between these mushrooms and trees.
Indeed, and we should never use the phrase that, "We are never going to understand."
The third party.
Ants.
Yeah, it’s totally reasonable to try to get a patch going for 15 years later
Lol 200$/kg here in lithuania in early season july/early august it cost max 20-30/kg 🤣🤣🤣 and in mid august/september they drop to 5-10€.
Just watched your video. Thank you very interesting and informative! So after those long 3 years any luck, or still nothing to harvest?
Zero
Is there a very close saprophyte alternative? Great video. Saved me a tonne of time.
Virtually all boletes are mycorrhizal (and those that aren't still tend to have very specific nutritional requirements) so there is no close saprotrophic relative to grow easily. I don't know any mushrooms outside of the boletes that taste/smell like porcini, sadly.
@@erikjones7612 thank you I thought this would be the case
I'm sure it is possible to inoculate seedling trees with mycorhysal fungi.
If i aim the spores with a gun .. do they spread faster?
What time of the year were you doing your "planting"? thanks.
Does it really matter? In fall
Can I ask do you feel that picking boletus masively causes it to be more rare and less likely to be found? I mean can we run it into disapearing from local forrest due to overpicking? And would it help to leave some? Sorry, and when do spores come off? Is it all of the time or after fruit reaches certain age?
doubt it. you're not destroying the mycelium. just picking the fruiting body. like picking an apple basically. but you shouldn't pick more then you have to of course.
i think most boletus mushrooms constantly produce spores. even after being picked. as a little science experiment, you could pick a mushroom put it down on a piece of paper and after a few hours you'd have whats called a spore print. these prints can vary in shape and color.
@@downey2294 unfortunately here i Europe I saw many people gathering mushrooms and putting them in a plastic bag. I always use a basket and tend even to enlarge the holes between the wickers in order to let spread as much more spores as possible. I also gather some of the oldest mushrooms and cut them in pieces spreading them nearby where i found the mushroom. Hope it can help the regrowth but if it takes 10 or 15 years to the mycorrhiza in order to become fruitful, well...i am glad if someone else will profit of the future growth.
Mushrooms like porcini (boletus) developed mycelium from decaying oak trees and pine cones. There are not repopulating plant like a sunflower hence why it takes so long to grow and trees take a long time decay. There hundreds of porcinis in the sub layer of the forest remember it is a fungus and one man can’t find them all. And if you left a porcini out in the woods too “spread more” someone else will take it
@@johnberryman4530 hm if growing a fruit takes energy and all of fruit is being picked before spores are released than fruit is being deprived of its purpose. I belive mycelium like any other fungy will eventually use up all resources from its surroundings and therefore relies on spores for finding a new habitat. Spores unlike mycelium can travel relatively long distances and are likely to find suitable soil. In my opinion, systematically picking mushrooms before fruit has had a chance to release spores will eventually kill all mycelium.
I actually went looking today, all I found was old ones! One week earlier I would have hit the jackpot 😭
rhaaa nooooooo
"almost famous"
mushroom does not decompose matter nor does it feed nutrients to a trees roots. a mushroom is the fruiting body of mycelium, which is actually what helps the trees to absorb nutrients. It is also the actual organism of the fungus. Taking boletes from the forest is not harmful to trees or to mushrooms. That mushroom is there to spread spores, then get eaten by ants and bugs then rot and get moved back into the soil as more organic matter. Most mushroomers know to pat mushrooms before harvesting or collecting them in a basket to help spread spores. Picking a mushroom does not kill any organisms. and explain me why would mushrooms that you seeded to grow onto the roots of a tree grow 5 houses away from the tree. I'm not saying you can grow porcinis by throwing them into some substrate but what youre doing in this video isn't utter nonsense its actually exactly what happens in nature, which is perfect. Youre throwing essentially what is a giant bucket of spore solution onto a tree so that the spores can be dispersed throughout the soil and form mycorrhizal relationship with the tree. That is how these mushrooms even reproduce in the first place
Mushroom mycelium can grow and spread to significant distances. Just in 24 hours, the hypha of the mushroom can add about a kilometer in length.
Boletus edulis can easily develop rings up to 30 meters in diameter. So mushrooms aren’t bushes or trees, if you plant them near the fence do not expect them to sit and produce fruits right at the same place.
Classy Flowers
Morel mycelium networks are quite similar, but Stamets discovered that scorching the soil near a host tree induces fruiting.
The Mycelium tries to reproduce by spreading spores when it begins to starve in poor soil.
That’s the missing piece of the puzzle.
Someone also discovered that inoculating a potted sapling, and later killing it, triggers fruiting.
Interesting
Great video.. cheers!
So did you ever have any bolete grow out from the spore water you made? Any updated video for it? I like to see if anyone has successfully grow them. Thank you!
No, It is impossible.
@@Classyflowers because you don't know how to do it, saying something is impossible when so many people are doing it is really ignorant.
@@oneshortgamer2540 It looks like you a very educated person especially in biology. Can you give me a link to at least one company on this planet that grows porcini mushrooms ?
@@Classyflowers where do you think big companies get massive amounts of porcini? they don't grow in labs because they need host tree that's literally all.
@@oneshortgamer2540 You could not find even one company that grows porcini? Read about porcini, educate yourself before leaving ignorant comments.
any update? You could invite some professor or students from a university for the task to take soil samples, to search in them for the BE mycelium. That would be interesting.
Nothing happened yet. Mycology is neglected mega science. We do not know much about fungi.
hello.list of products.please :)
Thank you for saving me TONS of time and heart ache!
Happy to help!
Hello!! congratulations for the nice video!! you used two products in the mix, sugar and another that I didn't understand, could you tell me? greetings from Brazil
She said "spring water", sugar & yeast. Later when planting; more yeast and also alcohol..
Any updated video on this growing Porcini mushrooms?
You can not grow porcini mushrooms
@@Classyflowers Thank you so much for the update.
Hey. So now it's a year after your video....any results this fall?
What do you think? Absolutely nothing!
This was eye opening.
Could you please elaborate why you cut boletus near ground on picking?
The bottom part of mushrooms stems may have very important identification characteristics, that could be easily missed if cut. For example Harriya chromapes has yellow bottom or Boletus speciosus has red pigmentation at the bottom or Xanthoconium affine has very tapered white bottom.
I am sorry for you work. You interchange the mushroom 1:43 isn't porcini (Boletus). This is a Leccinum sp.
Leccinum is in the same family with Boletus Boletaceae. It does not change anything.
Which season should I plant the spores?
It doesn't matter. It will never grow.
Any update on the porcini mushrooms?
Yes. They grow under Spruce, Oak, Hemlock or Fir in certain elevation, certain soil and etc... If you hope to grow them artificially, forget about it. For good.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE PEOPLE!!!
You guys put a ton of work into this video!!! Great Job- Number one fan from USA.
where is the link to original video which you are clearly using translated?
На русском пожалуйста:Как вырастить много белых грибов дома? РАЗОБЛАЧЕНИЕ ОБМАНА
ua-cam.com/video/yMk-Wy2FaeY/v-deo.html
@@Classyflowers спасибо! Кстати, вот еще нашел материал на тему, ua-cam.com/video/iIEv-nzg-U0/v-deo.html , что думаете? Может стоит попробовать все таки?
Looks like those instructions are to make a liquid culture or slurry. Spread it around the roots of the right trees and it will grow.
it’s a really shitty lc :/ they should just clone clean tissue and do it on agar then spread it around trees it probably will have some success or use it to make straw spawn
Yeh when i saw porcini "seeds" to plant on amazon i was like really!? Mushroom seeds?
There's gotta be a way. Someday someone will perhaps invent an "artificial root" system, where the necessary sugars, hormones, etc can be interfaced with the fungi. I'd like to know how they solved the "morel" problem. Apparently they provide some type of mineral reservoir for the morels to access which seems to work....maybe something along those lines? Who knows?
Ive thought about this for yearssss
Cant someone just grow the trees and substrate into their backyard and use spores to grow porcini ?
It will not be indoors but its still a cultivation method.
So they are like chanterells in how they grow?
PiecesOfNature Yes they are
@@Classyflowers can i ask you which are your top 5 mushrooms in flavour out of those you can cultivate at home fairly easily?
If you grow from spore instead of cloning from mushroom flesh, then would you still get porcini? Wouldn’t you get porcini-like children of porcini? I know that apples grown from seed are always different from apples cloned from a cutting..
2 years now. Any mushrooms? 😄 I hope it works. 👐
Спасибо!
1:05 Amanita muscaria can be depoisoned in a certain way. did you know?
Did you ever get any mushrooms out of this exercise?
Zero
10 - 15 years??? Damn I am going to cry now
Thanx for the video< But... Climate Change is not just about the Planet warming. As the environment changes, the Biosphere changes and even if warmer conditions are good for Porcini Mushroom, those new conditions may destroy the ecological niche that is already exiting there, including plants, microbes, other spores define that ecological niche ,or the different one that the porcini needs.
information on porcini goes round and round in circles. the amount of contradiction has me tentatively convinced that nobody is reliably inoculating trees with porcini. most worryingly, some sources insist the target tree must be old, while others insist this can only happen when the tree is very young, before exposure to other mycorrhiza. i think this is a topic where knowledge in scientific literature hasn't really escaped into general knowledge, and proprietary commercial knowledge hasn't escaped into scientific literature. it's quite common for large private organizations to keep their research "in house". i know researchers can grow porcini in culture [eg pachlewska (1968)] but no idea whether that translates into any ability to inoculate trees. imo the starting point is searching for papers that cite the above reference. i'm definitely sick of looking for information outside of scientific literature, but most likely the best option is just giving up and paying for dried porcini. moving to colorado, where apparently they're abundant in pine forests, sounds attractive too
I agree
I don't think you started from spore. You could have taken a sample from the inside, and put it to agar.
So did you see if your experiment worked
No, It did not
So you are saying if someone can figure it out that person would instantly become a millionaire; sounds like a challenge I'm willing to accept.
Good luck!
they grow at the bottom of chestnut trees
@Michael Friello
No they do not. Their trees are Oak, Spruce Hemlock, and Fir. Chestnut is NOT their symbiotic tree.
Boletus edulis growth is deffinetly increasing in my country
What does it mean?
yeah i wish. But if it was possible, the price would not be that high. And I agree so much, toxic shit we put out, bad farming, constant making of more babies and more houses, it's all so sad when we have the chance to live another way, be more in relationship with nature, all we can do now is complain to our leaders and lead with example.
It's almost a good video but why don't you report on the results? You say confidently that it wont work, but you never return to show us what happened. I learned some stuff about mushrooms though, so thank you.
Dang go to the forests on the west coast of Washington state in the early fall and you'll find more Porcini than you know what to do with.
Chanterelle and Lobster popping everywhere too
Negativity is getting us nowhere. Thanks for the heads up and also the confusing video
This isn't edulis I dont think 😅 compare to leccinum?
The mushrooms want to grow and live......the tree dosent have to be 50 years old and it only takes that long to fruite because random weather conditions they wait till its perfect
200$ per kg here in ireland bearly anyone picks them if you know a good spot you could come back with a solid 4 kg in one forage.
in the USA you barely find one
@@cornerstoneroofing243 I was eating them in Sierra along JMT for the last 3 weeks
There is a lot in Serbia. In season price is 5€/kg and drops to 2,5€ in autumn.
I think a mushrooms are result and sign of a sick soil and old tree roots. In healthy forest (with wild garlic,Ramsons) has no mushrooms.
Without mushrooms, there’s no forest!
they have always taught me that when you pick mushrooms you must completely detach the stem avoiding leaving part of the stem on the ground which rots and hinders the formation of new mushrooms in this video I always see the stem cut. Why?
You cut the mushroom not to disturb the mycelium below. Mushroom rotting does no harm to the fungus, they are primarily only formed by mycelium to produce spores and then rot anyways, so if there were no humans to pick them, almost every mushroom would get eaten by snails, worms, larvae... and eventually "rot" :)
No i did it to
sooooo anything happened this fall yet ? eheheh
Zero, as expected
For some reason the porcini here don't taste nearly as good as in Italy, where they are harvested in the late summer.
Are they exeptionally tasty though?
@@PiecesOfNature in Italy They're awesome 😍😋😋😋
what you did will save us. Humanity needs to remember what is lost in oblivion.
they grow at the bottom of chestnut trees
And also under spruce, pine, birch, oak etc.
There is zero harm in attempting to spread mushrooms. Thats y they fruit is to spread. If they figured out how to grow morels im sure they could figure these out
You have to realize that foraging wild mushrooms DO NOT harm the trees that have Mycorrhizal shrooms w it!!!
You say to " leave them in the woods where the trees that rely on it...."
But Why?!! A normal mushroom pick will never affect them trees or self, considering 90ish % of the Shroomin is alive and well underground w the tree roots in their symbiotic relationship....
Amanita Muscaria should not be labeled as poisoness. It is used as medicine when dried and stored properly. It can be also eaten after boiling it twice (dump water) for 15 min each time. You can fry it afterwords. Tastes great!
Thank you, I will stick with porcini.
Can't you just cut a piece off the bottom and put in an agar dish
Some mushrooms are just not meant to be grown in your garden. The beauty in Porcini and few others like chanterelles are finding them in the nature. Its pure medication and gold.
Great video, but keep your secrets for yourself. It's very few out there with this insight and this is how we make $$$ - on secrets ;-)
Regards from DK
third party is certain microorganisms that must be present too.
@Joe Edward thanks, will do! :)
Too much effort in order to replicate a growing method you don't believe :)
It has nothing to do with my belief, it is a science.
The problem is she is trying to grow the mushroom from spores and its not going to work. I you want to grow these mushrooms its easier grown from mycelium, that can be homemade in used coffee grounds, its also a bad idea to use an old mushroom when you can just take some of the mycelium from the stem and eat the rest. It one of the hardest to grow and I suggests starting with oyster mushrooms.
You can not grow mycorrhizal porcini mushrooms at home. Plain and simple. Oyster mushrooms are pleurotus and can be grown at home.
@@Classyflowers Not at home you can spread the mycelium and grow them close to some kind of tree preferably oak. I've done this and it works but you can believe whatever you want. mycorrhizal mushrooms need a relationship with roots of trees, this is hard to perfect and the reason you don't see these types of mushrooms mass produced the effort is not worth the payout. I find it funny how you've made a video and done all this, posting it online but then bash someones comment that had tried to help you. Saying it cannot be done when you've made a video on how to grow them at home. Okay 👍
@@Classyflowers Easiest way I've come across was growing trees from seed in sterile media (usually coir) and introducing mycorrhizal spores onto the roots and hope it takes. Its hard to do but not impossible, although I would clear it up is you need to be in the countryside to work as to plan a sapling and introduce the mycelium, the watering your tress with sugar and mushroom water you do will do absolutely nothing. But hey hate on a viewer of yours for no reason I'm sure that will make the channel grow. Also I'm done watching your videos.
@@lawabidingcitizen9696 Are you taking about your own experience ?
@@Classyflowers Yes. I've grown my own mycelium from wild mushrooms and I've mixed it up in the soil and grown at the same time with a few saplings. It works but the effort is not the payout because its might not grow one year but will grow like a few every year. Then there are spots that just stopped fruiting altogether. If you actually want to try this grow it with a few trees and from mycelium not from spores.
It looks too dry there.
There are a few suggestions you can try
pick the top type - there are lots available.
grow them in the right environment - some eg oyster muchrooms like cool humid conditions and can be put outside (I discovered these and why they work from gregs mushroom grower site )
@@marlonsitoprunita7436 You can not grow mycorrhizal fungi such as porcini mushrooms
😄😄😄
We lose our natural connectivity and respect to nature, instead we growing love to concrete, technology, artificial food in fast cities and money
More condos less trees
Nothing gay about that.
You: lots of people who dont know what they talk about poststuff on websites
Also you: Has no idea what you talking about 😂
This never would have worked
Классное видео! Молодец!
I have smoked amenita for years and eaten them as well as a tea. It isnt a poison mushroom. To dry and smoke it gives you a small pot high. The tea will make you trip. Do some research. Its an wonderful mushroom.
I would not smoke amanitas, some of them have cadmium in them, nothing to worry about if you eat them, cadmium have low bioavailability orally. Smoked it passes your brain/blood barrier very effective, excessive smoking of amanitas can result in cadmium poisoning.
A resounding NO. I will grow these mushrooms one way or another. Nice vid tho
Good luck!
Not complete. Lots of information left out.
ты русская?
Yes
опа
What does this mean?
@@samvodopianov9399 чики брики)
@@JohnWest4 it says "are you cabbage"
Picking mushrooms isn't bad. Cutting down forests and poluting soil with trash chemicals is bad...I'd say the rain water today is probably chemicaly different from pre industrial revolution rain water too so that has to factor in somewhere. But where I'm from people have picked mushrooms for millennia and there are still plenty left. You make it sound like theyre an endangered species of animal when 100% they will still be around millions of years after were gone.
I was under the impression you have to wear gloves.
Gloves?
Ummm agree to disagree
You think it is possible?
@@Classyflowers to grow mushrooms? Of course.
You gotta grow it on freshly cut wood. Or woodchips I think.
@@Classyflowersactually I could be wrong. Maybe we just haven't figured out how yet. I hope people will keep trying though.
@@dustinperez5341 It is Impossible to grow mycorrhizal fungi such as porcini mushrooms.
amanita muscaria is not poisonous.
It’s hallucinating
Did you follow instructions that were meant as a joke to mess with people Smh
Of course, I do not believe this for a second, because I know it is a hoax.
Much easier you go and buy it in supermarkets lol 😂
I'm surprised to see you cutting the mushrooms at the stem. Learned many years ago to turn them and remove them in one piece. Have been told, that leaving a cut piece in the ground damages the mycelium. Not an expert, just curios. Thanks for the video, liked it a lot.
It doesn’t matter.
Think about that critically for one second. What has been eating mushrooms for hundreds of millions of years? Was it human's who could twist the mushroom out of the ground, or animals that'd bite them off and leave a chunk of the stem in the ground? (As if it were cut off)
WAF
你這是亂搞，不會成功的
真的