been saying for a long time that the F-35's main asset is the ASQ-239 passive suite. People are too fixated on legacy locating methods like using radar as primary sensor. When you are trying to be unseen, the last thing you want is turning on the torchlight.
Except AESA radar does not broadcast in a single frequency like a torchlight (flashlight for non Europeans). It’s distributed (multiplexed) so it’s not that detectable like other types of radar.
@@UncleKennysPlace … First, you have to remember that a flashlight puts out a light beam in one frequency that’s easy to see. So a PESA radar would be like a big spotlight putting out a 20 kilowatt beam of energy, easy to spot 160 km away. The AESA radar the F-35 carry’s is instead like 1800 penlight flashlights, each putting out a 10 watt beam. You might spot them at 30 km but they’d be way to dim even all together at 160 km. This is what makes AESA so powerful, you have 1800 transmit/receive modules each frequency hopping while only putting out a 10 watt radar signal. A computer takes all of these signals and paints a coherent picture of all the targets out there. While the enemy’s radar warning receivers can’t be set that sensitive to pick up a 10 watt signal cuz it would be constantly ringing from any signal it detects!
Fusion can be exploited to deceive. In the late 1960s I worked at Eglin AFB on the radars testing ECM systems pitting U.S. aircraft against a copy of the Soviet SAM-2 system. One oft-repeated project pitted us against six B-52s. Why six?, I thought. That is very expensive. Why not just one? If we can see one, we can see six. Only much later did I discover why. The SAM-2 used a primitive form of fusion. The Az radar gave the azimuth to the target, and the El radar gave the elevation. The two together located a plane in space. Or did it? The ECM the USAF was testing deliberately leaked information in a particular way. It let the Az and El radars (on different frequencies) see through the jamming well enough to see a B-52 at a particular range, range being the common factor. *The key to the deception was that these radars were not tracking the same plane.* They had the azimuth of one and the elevation of another. The result that the missile was headed for a phantom aircraft that did not exist. The two real B-52s may have had a close call, but they were missed. In much the same fashion, these fusion systems blend data under the assumption that gives them a more accurate picture. A clever opponent can use that fusion process to build a false picture.
That was "one sensor" fusing multiple targets in a primitive manner, an increase in sensors of various types/perspectives would decrease the chance of phantoms, unless the network processing/encryption was compromised itself. Or am I missing your point? Interesting story however assuming it was declassified.
Sensor fusion seems to be where it's at, along with the improvements to pilot-plane interfaces. I don't remember who said it, or when I heard/read it, or how accurate it was (or even if it was actually said or just apocryphal), but I remember a pilot describing once the difference between flying the F-15 and the F-22 was in how data was presented to the pilot: Second for second, he spent about 90% of his time in the F-15 trying to understand what his instruments were telling him and 10% flying the plane, but in the F-22 spent 10% of his time trying to understand what his instruments were telling him and 90% flying the plane. I _suspect_ that if this had been an F-15 with upgraded electronics and not with its original C electronics, the difference would not have been as stark.
I think I saw that interview too. It has been a few years but I saw it on tv. If it wasn't the same interview it was someone who said almost the same exact thing.
Stealth has its place. As counters to stealth have been implemented, stealth becomes less important but not useless. It was understood during F22 development one could not have optimal stealth to meet the performance requirements. The bottom line is who shoots 1st wins. Stealth makes it more difficult for the enemy to get a weapon lock. Data fusion from other platforms improves the ability to get a lock on the enemy.
@@greggstrasser5791 yes, stealth..(chiefly of aircraft) designed in accordance with technology that makes detection by radar or sonar difficult. "a stealth bomber". Well said salty roe.
I think initial strikes were always going to be rough, because the radar arrays would be as intact as they could be, so initial hits required taking out pieces of the intel chain fast, one vid i watched did say that you can indeed see a stealth anything, but you have to triangulate onto the target to get an actual lock and location, for the 4th gen aircraft, the lack of any stealth at all is very damning, because they just prove much easier to target, the idea of non stealth techniques of approach have indeed been removed as viable options, but after the strategic early warning devices are removed, you could almost go in there with monster trucks, it wouldnt matter …
It is extremely difficult to get a weapon lock on an F-22 in exercises as it demonstrated the ability to spoof sensors passively to the point that it could be spotted visually and still defeat the kill chain.
Great information not found anywhere else on UA-cam. I have been in to modern aircraft for 30 years your channel is the best for information that I found.
First the Japanese F-35A variant in 2019 went underwater,the British with the F-35B variant, and the US recently finished off the underwater parade with the F-35C variant recently..
@@freddiej2411 Yeah, I would think that if it was remotely possible they would make it a priority. Thanks for confirming my suspicions about the other two.
That japanese could have been dissabled by chinese cyber attacks.I onow f35 can JAM air defences,enemy radars and other,but it doesnt say it can defend itself against cyberattacks
So much information there and I understood it all. An excellent briefing! Can’t think of anywhere else I could get this information with this clarity. Well done!
The likelihood of a pair (or more) of F35 using each other's sensors to confirm tracks to increase accuracy can't be ignored. Plus adding in data from outside sources to build one of the most complete battlefield data sets possible.
@@magnusredin6991 That's pretty reductive. The JAS37 ostensibly had crude sensor fusion . Unfortunately, for the JAS the enemy knew it was out there. The F35's VLO and sensory fusion are complimentary. Looking at sensor fusion in isolation is missing the forest for the trees. The F35's knows everything of value about the enemy, while denying the enemy knowledge of its presence. JAS was not capable of that. Basically, multinational coalitions of F35s sharing real-time intelligence, and doing it unseen. The rudimentary sensors on the JAS family is not really the same thing.
you mean like JA37 or far better example...MiG-31? Not to even go into its numerous problems and limitations.Yeah,its situational awareness and fusion is still pretty great,but that is the only really good thing about it against modern forces
Thanks for the video and throwing some light on what countries are getting for the price Will probably watch it again as there was quite a lot of information
Stealth is not completely useless so long as you know it's limitations. No it won't make you absolutely invisible but it will considerably shorten the distance at which you can be detected and that can very likely give the F35 pilot the chance to shoot first which is still a massive advantage no matter how you slice it.
Stealth surely awesome for first stage or all-out war but I am wondering that in compact war where one side can really focus their resource on specific area to counter it. Will 2-3 times 4gen aircraft in number a much better choice (which mean more sortie) since the price difference to operate stealth plane is pretty high
I really question that assumption. The Russians have developed superior range with their new missiles. The also have a stealth hypersonic missile with insane range. I think it will be a serious problem for the F35
@@Boris-do5rs No Boris that is not even an air to air missile so it is only a threat if the F35 is on the ground and you can be absolutely certain that wherever they park them they will have the best missile defense you can imagine and more than likely reinforced hangers. Hypersonic missiles do have their uses but they are not yet the complete game changer that people make them out to be as they have massive issues with guidance and threat detection. Making a missile both stealth and truly hypersonic is a pipe dream with current technology as the plasma boundary layer itself reflects radar so no amount of radar absorbent materials or stealth shaping is going to help, it might be "stealth" in a low speed wind tunnel but that is no help at hypersonic speeds. Russians are world famous for overstating their military capabilities and not being able to deliver in real world conflicts so I would HIGHLY doubt their claims of any technological leap, heck they cannot even equip the troops they have now with decent kit what would make anyone think their were fielding some sci-fi super weapon?
Great Vid. scary part is that all the capabilities mentioned in the Vid. can be applied to other platforms. Fun to see if F-15EX or B-21 get the same data link.
B21 definitely will. Idk about F15EX, although one would have to assume some miniaturization of components has occured since the F35, so maybe they can fit now.
I think of the sensor/information fusion as trying to automate what the back seat weapons officers used to do in the f-14's and other platforms of that era.
Sensor fusion have existed in Saab fighters as far back as Saab Ja37 Viggen (don´t know on what version it was introduced, possibly any from A to D).. Or sort of. Where in this cases the sensor is radar only, while both. What it could do was synk the radar from one aircraft to a other, and even between aircraft and ground-station, making a sort of ad hock. The fusion par is that the onboard radar can be synked with ground or sea based tracking and identification. The computer is fairly large. They pretty much replaced the second seat with a computer system (while the one seater also have a cannon that the two seater dont have)
Nice job in taking what I thought one of the most nuanced and super convoluted aspects of phat Amy. Laying it out so any game theory nerd would get his geek on.
On F-35, fusion. In 2012 there was an Aussie Parliamentary hearing: "Air Vice Marshal Osley: And so the strength of the joint strike fighter-and I use this as an example-is that it has the ability to have up to 650 parameters by which it will identify a potential threat out there. Other aircraft, such as the F22 have about a third of that and fourth-generation aircraft have perhaps half a dozen. So if you are in an F18 or in some of the other Soviet aircraft you only have a very limited understanding of what the threat is and being able to identify it at a distance." Source: COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA Official Committee Hansard PARLIAMENTARY JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE (Defence Subcommittee) Department of Defence annual report 2010-11 FRIDAY, 16 MARCH 2012"
All that stealth is of little value if it can't be exploited to its fullest. And Data Fusion is the key to really utilizing it to its fullest. Stealth, Sensor Fusion and Data Sharing create something with immense tactical and strategic value. A most informative video M7. The principles are well understood but the execution... that's where the years and years of testing really come in. Very expensive and hard to get right as many now know.
This sir is why I love your channel... because I knew all this knowledge but for some reason you put it together in such a way that it finally clicked in my head... correct me if I'm wrong but I'm thinking that practically any allied airplane (depending) flying a sortie with the f35 or in the vicinity connected through data link, theoretically, has its "effectiveness" turned up to 10 and the knob ripped off without having to spend tremendous amounts of money upgrading costly and time consuming systems instalations in said other planes (or heck may not even be available for the birds the f35 is flying with). So it practically brings all other generations of airplanes linked up, up to its capabilites making its military and allied planes that more effective. I'm getting the vibe that the f35 is like a flying computer system for the other planes that by itself is just as dangerous and capable. That's genius!!! It only took me this long to figure out! And I was in Altus, Oklahoma the very day they were showing capabilities this bird to the military!!! You sir organized almost 7 years of confusion in my head in 16 minutes! Now I don't feel so bad so much of my Tax dollars went into this program because compared to physically going and upgrading systems on previous gens would be so much more costly let alone the capabilities of this bird by itself...
The rafale had data fusion since the very first version. Probably not as good the F-35, but I remember it was presented in the 2000’s as one of the highlights of this platform. I’m surprised OTIS didn’t say anything about it.
Have they fixed the problem of damage to the plane from the afterburner use, and thus had limited duration of afterburner use to a very short burn time?
The F-35 can lead strikes. It can go ahead and find or make a way in. You just need the f-15s to take every pound of ordinance they can. You want the power plant? You get the powerplant. There is an issue of long band radar, but they are huge pigs to take out right away. The long bands can pick up the fighters. I read a paper that says there is no way to pick up the bombers. No way at all. It has to do with the geometry of the bombers. I think I read that the communication is done in computer bursts. You have to have that and some lovely ways of cooling your instruments like using fuel to do that. In fact, people long distant can run the whole show. I love this plane.
I'm pretty sure modern, stealth focused radars like the F-35's will rapidly switch operating frequencies to make detection difficult, so I don't think it would be quite so easy.
I'm interested in the idea of putting a sensor fusion computer into an IFV. The sensors are mounted on small drones that the vehicle launches, they are equipped with GPS, INS and UWB for position measurement. Video, LIDAR, SAR, atmospheric, IR and radio gathering are the sensors. Dropping position pucks to add accurate position points for tracks to relate to. The fused sensor data can be sent to the dismounts and used to call in very accurate indirect fires from the IFV (mortar fire etc)
It’s a funny way to put it out it really seems to be getting that way. The difference between having to train a pilot to an f14 and trying to train a pilot to an f35 is night and day I imagine. It’s seemingly getting as easy as point and click, although I’m not in the Air Force so I’m sure it’s actually still very technical but still.
Bravo, the quarterback role would contribute to the decentralisation of AEW and CCC assets important if you are looking for persistence in a peer to peer fight. It was boring at all hope the bullet wounds weren't too serious.
The gunshots heard were from Otis, who had switched into home defense mode. The kill team had no chance once his sensors located the dirt they were tracking in.
This mirrors the advantage the RAF had during the Battle of Britain the 1940 integrated data fusion called radar and area commands set up by Dowding and used masterfully by Keith Park
t's an amazing bit of kit, but boy oh boy is it loud! I live near a US airbase and have worked on it, too.. F15's sound like a vacuum cleaner in comparison. So, stealth might mean you can't see it, but you'll certainly hear it!
The most potent fusion is between HOBS, HMDS, and 360 degree EOTS. Note: the "TS" in "360 degree EOTS" As for stealth vs. longwave installations, it's difficult to field significant amounts of airborne LW radar, or to have it as long of frequency as ground based installations. This creates significant nap of the earth opportunities. Also, the limited number of high power longwave radars capable of being fielded (in air or on ground) is a glass chin. At any rate, EOTS is likely to offer a targeting solution on any guided intercept aircraft before they are able to target the F-35. F-22's stealth is actually easier to defeat in a manner resulting in a kill. Even though it's radar stealth is substantially greater, the F-35 dominates the IR game, and has no rear blind spot. One thing rarely brought up, is that missiles can't really use long wave, due to the size limitations of a missile's radome. So are only able to lock at rather close range, and in a limited number of orientations. And they are highly susceptible to chaff and jamming, due to the weakness of the radar return off the F-35 (or F-22). This does leave IR homing missiles of course. And "good" IR missiles should be able to differentiate flares from skin temperature ...unless the skin temperature is tightly regulated as a priority over RCS stealth 'wink'. And then there's decoys, and 'other' anti IR tools. hey don't shoot M7! he said he would be dad at the end of the video! don't shoot dad!
I hear that the newer ceramic RAM (Radar Absorbant Material) absorbs radar even better than the legacy RAM already used. It could give an even greater advantage to reducing the radar signature keeping the advantage of having a stealth plane at least for a while.
4:05 "Those have nothing to do with sensero fusion" I beg to differ. The cameras on a cellphone are sensors. Modern cellphones have multiple cameras. Some of the more advanced one take photos with more than one camera simultaneously, then there is a algoritmic network that try to use the data from 2 or more cameras to produce a better picture. The picture produced is actually not from one camera, but multiple cameras. and also often multiple shots from every cameras. I phone in high quality mode take 1 long exposure shot, followed by 9 short exposure shot with one camera, and then 3 shots simultaneously with a other. This way motionblure and depth of field problems can be eliminated. Most modern phones does it somewhat like this, but not all. Cheap phones often don´t have that function. This is actually the main reason why pictures of expensive phones are better, its not the sensors, its the software.
Yes yes and yes. The Panther has a futureproof method to it's madness. Even as LO options fade, the F-35s sensor fusion and electronic abilities are what make it truly deadly in the near term.
Nice video, I did have a question about sensor fusion. German sources on the Eurofighter attribute advanced capabilities in sensor fusion to it, seemingly matching the capabilities of closed loop fusion. Perhaps it is closed loop fusion on the Typhoon as well, curious if you had more insight on what exactly the Eurofighter offers in comparison to F-35 in that field since it sounds very similar to me
I'll try to describe the difference. Take the Hubble Telescope - it used to be the most powerful telescope in the world, taking its sensor information, and building an image. It's similar to sensor fusion in the Eurofighter. It takes data from its on-board sensors, and combines, and shares the finished picture it has built up. So from one Eurofighter you get the situational awareness off your wingmen patched in with your own. Then came along the Event Horizon Telescope. It wasn't a single telescope... but rather an array of existing telescopes - that fuse the raw data from each together to act like a single massive telescope almost the diameter of the earth. This allowed scientists to get a picture of the black hole for the first time. Sensor fusion of the F-35 works like that... A squadron of F-35's suddenly becomes like a huge radar, rather than a patch-work of what each other sees. So that allows it to see further than what each can individually see. And the author of the video touches on one of the main 'enablers' of this... the F-35 has a new Data Link that has the bandwidth to share such a massive quantity of information. Eurofighter shares Link 16 which simply doesn't have the bandwidth. I believe Rafale is getting an similar comms link in the 2030's - but not sure about the Eurofighter.
Data fusion means millions of lines of code that must be Regression Tested for each System addition or upgrade or mod that can take weeks or months - that may be unaffordable or impossible with 4G Collection of Systems Architecture vs 5G Modular Open Systems Architecture for more affordable and more frequent upgrades to keep 5G Platforms continuously tech relevant - that is also becoming increasingly unaffordable requiring 6G Kubernetes Modular Open Systems of Architecture to isolate Flight Control code from other Systems code for On-The-Fly Cloud One code refresh without compromising 6G Platform airworthiness...
Specifically - 4G EuroFighter Typhoon is a Collection of Systems Platform - whereas 5G F35 is a Single Platform System of Systems - with 6G Tempest a Network AI Assisted MultiPlatform System of Systems...
So now you know why 5G F35 is already undergoing its 3rd Tech Refresh to support much greater demands of Blk4 capabilities that will take a decade to only integrate 3 additional weapons + the reason 4G GripenE is in perpetual Test & Evaluation...
Also note 5G F35 uses Fire Control Radar for SEAD allowing wingmen to jam threat Radar while leads launch weapons then reversing roles when internal weapons depleted - only possible with VLO Stealth that allows F35 to get close enough to threat Radar for effective jamming before being Targeted by that very powerful radar - so the reason for an additional 4G EA18 equivalent Eurofighter.ECR to replace Tornado.ECR for SEAD...
Just a question ... What will you make with the f-35 if the adversary has a hack of your datalink ??? this tech is kind of dangerous means your weapons can be used against you...
OK I agree with you that Stealth is not the best part of the F35 but the sensor fusion are the Badass thing they have. But are’t there other aircraft that can do this?
I’m no aerospace engineer but I watch and love military aircraft, it’s kinda mandatory being a navy brat. One thing that I never hear except in major technical data given on the F 35 is the main attribute of the data fusion and search and track systems are operated on A.I., not legacy algorithm technology
That’s interesting. I wonder which approach will be favored in the future: traditional AWACS as center point of information or distributed center points in the form of F-35s. Both has pros and cons, so maybe it takes a real conflict for us to find out, just like how it was concluded in one of German research papers before WWII that it will take a real war to find out which fighter design is correct - single engines ones or twin engine ones.
@@wattsmichaele Yeah RAAF loves using the E7 in conjunction with both 4th & 5th gen jets. I suspect the choice will come down to the mission profile, an E7 probably won't be used for penetration missions but will probably be the hub for air supremacy, defense & support missions because of its increased analysis capacity
@@ArchOfficial Only rich and powerful nations can choose both. Smaller nations must choose wisely and bet on the right one. For example, the Soviet Union was leading in super computer up until the 1960s, but chose the wrong path for their transistor development, while America did both the right and wrong ones at the same time since it can afford both. By 1980s American transistor and computer are far far ahead of the Soviet Union.
great vid! I would figure the f15ex with its more capable computer and more recent introduction would also maintain a extremely high level of data and sensor fusion. the exact level of fusion had in the f15ex is not as publicized as that had by the f35...yet it is publicized that the f15ex does have data fusion. the more powerful computer and increased sensors should allow for very potent software for fusing data. the data link on the f15ex would appear to be different then the standard link16 yet is not MADL. it would be very interesting to fund out tge actual type and capabilities of the f15ex data link. can a VLOG be made regarding the f15ex data link?
Every country has some good planes but the USA has really has a true 5th gen fighter a pure 5th gen these planes will be great in formation for War this is a plane built to fight a War this plane is a flying computer
As always , interesting and informative.. Our nation are flying F-35s now , along with the F-18 and the Growler , F-35s will be the main multi role fighter , which I assume , you'd already know.. Thanks again
Ehhh, what about things without track? Such as an S400 battery? What priority will it give to a Su-57 that has such a low radar signature that you only detect the screws used to hold down the wooden parts, but it might be the most dangerous enemy around? How much of this can the F-15EX do because the screen is even 30% larger and you can have 2 people up there.
Speaking as a total civvy, here....I'm sure that there is a degree of shielding from EMP, but....seems like hobbling the sensor suite (and the rest of the a/c's digital suite, for that matter) would be a shortcut to minimizing/degrading the '35. Understanding that an EMP doesn't discriminate, still concerning that this technology seems to push adversaries towards generating EMP ie nukes? Don't yell....I'm bringing it up in order to understand more than I do. Thanks, cheers. Edit: Well, those items, plus the army of air refueling tankers required to keep our planes in the air.
Former U.S. Military engineer here. This guy reminds me of some professors and other people in academia I've met. They begrudgingly admit to superior U.S. Military capabilities while at the same time downplaying and disparaging them. This video has a wealth of information, but a good deal of it is out of context and homogenized for the purposes of disregarding it. For instance, the OODA loop displayed (observe orient decide act) and commentary associated imply that it's common with other aircraft, but ignores the fact that the EuroFighter and other 4th gen aircraft have about a 20-30sec OODA loop to fire a missile, where the F-35 brings the OODA loop down to 3-5 seconds. In modern air combat, the bird that shoots first has a very good chance of winning. Another example is that the "secret sauce" is largely dependent upon algorithms, and that other birds use algorithms and sensors, and that the F-35s algorithms are only as good as their margin of error. This ignores the fact that the F-35 has many more data producing sensors than any other aircraft, and that the data produced is brought together by an AI based computer as complex and powerful as those we put in our submarines. The end result is a "virtual backseater" RIO that is like mixing Goose from Top Gun with Einstein... on meth. Much like the academics I've worked with in the U.S. this guy seems to be fascinated with technology, but hates the fact that it's used for war and specifically that it's used by the U.S. Military which has no business being superior... you can clearly hear the smug underlying statements; "it's not what you think", "it's not so great", "sounds good but it has flaws". Like some professors I've known, he has the ability to grasp individual concepts and theories, but has no ability to tie them together and grasp practical usage. That is the reason why we say "those who can do, those who can't teach". It's a common theme in his videos. Even when he's saying something good about the U.S. Military, he's passive aggressively disparaging them with images or dismissive tidbits. Can you imagine hating something so much that you dedicate your time to learning about it for the sole purpose of disproving it's value?
Combine this with newer ram, adaptive cycles engines, and more advanced electronics in the future production runs and you have a recipe for something even greater.
@@SmithgirllThey use a new and mysterious way to bend the ether ... like ESP. (I hear that you can declassify documents using the same technology.) If it's simple line of sight, a cloud of chaff would do it.
they have data inscription and using data link they can counter any obfuscation of the proprietary software via malicious 3rd party attacks or denial of service attack on the intranet established by the united states military.
A. What happens if the datalinks are disturbed, degraded or even manipulated? The air defense equivalent of a DoS attack could flood the airwaves making data exchange slower or intermittent. B. Do the datalinks use frequencies that would offer better tracks for opposing forces?
I think you just described another "Job" the F-35 is capable of performing. Also, Datalinks are not all based on radio. There are other ways to "Connect" to each other.
@@glhx2112 "Other ways" require line of sight, unless they have supersonic carrier pigeons. Anything powerful enough to be considered a strength can be exploited into a weakness. Whomever develops quantum computing first will have the opportunity to exploit those vulnerabilities.
Still, it requires SO MANY assets to detect and target the F-35 that it doesn’t matter that it CAN be targeted.🙄 Meaning, to neutralize that detection, the F-35 only need to cripple ONE leg of detection, and it’s essentially a stealth aircraft in the battle space…again.🤭
Think of the F-35 more as the 5 star general that sits in the back a few miles behind the front lines and coordinates the strategy and tactics of not just the air war, but also land and sea. It's not the workhorse and it's not the one who will come in the middle of the night to strike and leave, even though theoretically, this is it's main purpose, alas the modern battlefield has well moved on from the Desert Storm era F-117 night time strikes.
Given how random and sporadic modern warfare tends to be, maybe this is exactly why the F-35 is so appealing to people who don't view military aviation through a civilians lens.
Been yelling this on forums. F35's strength is that its a stealthy, fast AWACS that can fight. Its not that the jet itself is so advanced so as to be unbeatable, thats f22. The f35 is good because it makes all your other jets (and possibly other platforms) better. Its a flying force multiplier
been saying for a long time that the F-35's main asset is the ASQ-239 passive suite. People are too fixated on legacy locating methods like using radar as primary sensor. When you are trying to be unseen, the last thing you want is turning on the torchlight.
Yep. Enemy radar is "self-targeting".
@@bibekjung7404 non secular Buddhist disagree, but also don’t care.
Except AESA radar does not broadcast in a single frequency like a torchlight (flashlight for non Europeans). It’s distributed (multiplexed) so it’s not that detectable like other types of radar.
It's not that bad on the f35 & f22. The radars are angled to make it hard to determine the source waves.
@@UncleKennysPlace … First, you have to remember that a flashlight puts out a light beam in one frequency that’s easy to see. So a PESA radar would be like a big spotlight putting out a 20 kilowatt beam of energy, easy to spot 160 km away. The AESA radar the F-35 carry’s is instead like 1800 penlight flashlights, each putting out a 10 watt beam. You might spot them at 30 km but they’d be way to dim even all together at 160 km. This is what makes AESA so powerful, you have 1800 transmit/receive modules each frequency hopping while only putting out a 10 watt radar signal. A computer takes all of these signals and paints a coherent picture of all the targets out there. While the enemy’s radar warning receivers can’t be set that sensitive to pick up a 10 watt signal cuz it would be constantly ringing from any signal it detects!
Fusion can be exploited to deceive. In the late 1960s I worked at Eglin AFB on the radars testing ECM systems pitting U.S. aircraft against a copy of the Soviet SAM-2 system. One oft-repeated project pitted us against six B-52s. Why six?, I thought. That is very expensive. Why not just one? If we can see one, we can see six.
Only much later did I discover why. The SAM-2 used a primitive form of fusion. The Az radar gave the azimuth to the target, and the El radar gave the elevation. The two together located a plane in space. Or did it?
The ECM the USAF was testing deliberately leaked information in a particular way. It let the Az and El radars (on different frequencies) see through the jamming well enough to see a B-52 at a particular range, range being the common factor. *The key to the deception was that these radars were not tracking the same plane.* They had the azimuth of one and the elevation of another. The result that the missile was headed for a phantom aircraft that did not exist. The two real B-52s may have had a close call, but they were missed.
In much the same fashion, these fusion systems blend data under the assumption that gives them a more accurate picture. A clever opponent can use that fusion process to build a false picture.
Thanks for this story!
That was "one sensor" fusing multiple targets in a primitive manner, an increase in sensors of various types/perspectives would decrease the chance of phantoms, unless the network processing/encryption was compromised itself. Or am I missing your point? Interesting story however assuming it was declassified.
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𝗩𝗜𝗗𝗘𝗢 𝗖𝗔𝗠𝗘𝗥𝗔𝗦 𝗪𝗜𝗧𝗛 𝗟𝗢𝗡𝗚 𝗥𝗔𝗡𝗚𝗘 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗧𝗘𝗖𝗛𝗡𝗢𝗟𝗢𝗚𝗬 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘀𝗲𝗲𝗸 𝗶𝗻 𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗽𝗶𝗰𝗸 𝘂𝗽 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝘃𝗶𝘀𝘂𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝗻𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝗻 𝗮𝘀 𝗴𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗮 𝘄𝗮𝘆 𝗶𝗳 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗿𝗮𝗱𝗮𝗿. 𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝗼𝘁 𝗮 𝗯𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗸𝘆 𝗶𝗳 𝗻𝗲𝗰𝗰𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗿𝘆.
@@assertivekarma1909 𝗜𝘁𝘀 𝗮𝗹𝘄𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝗽𝗵𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗼𝗺 𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗝𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗻𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗴𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗘𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗮𝘆 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗽𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝘀𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗶𝗰 𝗛𝘆𝗱𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗲𝗻 𝗕𝗼𝗺𝗯𝘀 𝗱𝗼𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝘁 ?
Sensor fusion seems to be where it's at, along with the improvements to pilot-plane interfaces.
I don't remember who said it, or when I heard/read it, or how accurate it was (or even if it was actually said or just apocryphal), but I remember a pilot describing once the difference between flying the F-15 and the F-22 was in how data was presented to the pilot: Second for second, he spent about 90% of his time in the F-15 trying to understand what his instruments were telling him and 10% flying the plane, but in the F-22 spent 10% of his time trying to understand what his instruments were telling him and 90% flying the plane.
I _suspect_ that if this had been an F-15 with upgraded electronics and not with its original C electronics, the difference would not have been as stark.
I think I saw that interview too. It has been a few years but I saw it on tv. If it wasn't the same interview it was someone who said almost the same exact thing.
Stealth has its place. As counters to stealth have been implemented, stealth becomes less important but not useless. It was understood during F22 development one could not have optimal stealth to meet the performance requirements. The bottom line is who shoots 1st wins. Stealth makes it more difficult for the enemy to get a weapon lock. Data fusion from other platforms improves the ability to get a lock on the enemy.
Nah.
@@greggstrasser5791 yes, stealth..(chiefly of aircraft) designed in accordance with technology that makes detection by radar or sonar difficult.
"a stealth bomber". Well said salty roe.
I think initial strikes were always going to be rough, because the radar arrays would be as intact as they could be, so initial hits required taking out pieces of the intel chain fast, one vid i watched did say that you can indeed see a stealth anything, but you have to triangulate onto the target to get an actual lock and location, for the 4th gen aircraft, the lack of any stealth at all is very damning, because they just prove much easier to target, the idea of non stealth techniques of approach have indeed been removed as viable options, but after the strategic early warning devices are removed, you could almost go in there with monster trucks, it wouldnt matter …
It is extremely difficult to get a weapon lock on an F-22 in exercises as it demonstrated the ability to spoof sensors passively to the point that it could be spotted visually and still defeat the kill chain.
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What do you mean?
Great information not found anywhere else on UA-cam. I have been in to modern aircraft for 30 years your channel is the best for information that I found.
First the Japanese F-35A variant in 2019 went underwater,the British with the F-35B variant, and the US recently finished off the underwater parade with the F-35C variant recently..
China was punching the sky when they couldn't get to it
They recovered the recent one. I am not sure about the others.
@@theprinceofcrows8691 The other ones were revovered also....
@@freddiej2411 Yeah, I would think that if it was remotely possible they would make it a priority. Thanks for confirming my suspicions about the other two.
That japanese could have been dissabled by chinese cyber attacks.I onow f35 can JAM air defences,enemy radars and other,but it doesnt say it can defend itself against cyberattacks
So much information there and I understood it all. An excellent briefing! Can’t think of anywhere else I could get this information with this clarity. Well done!
So basically, the F-35 is a flying mainframe while legacy fighters are just dumb terminals that can link up to it.
The likelihood of a pair (or more) of F35 using each other's sensors to confirm tracks to increase accuracy can't be ignored. Plus adding in data from outside sources to build one of the most complete battlefield data sets possible.
The kill probability of BVR missiles is less than 50% vs manuverable targets. GPS on AMRAAM be spoofed.
Saab JA37 Viggen did that about 30 years ago...
@@magnusredin6991 That's pretty reductive. The JAS37 ostensibly had crude sensor fusion . Unfortunately, for the JAS the enemy knew it was out there. The F35's VLO and sensory fusion are complimentary. Looking at sensor fusion in isolation is missing the forest for the trees.
The F35's knows everything of value about the enemy, while denying the enemy knowledge of its presence. JAS was not capable of that.
Basically, multinational coalitions of F35s sharing real-time intelligence, and doing it unseen.
The rudimentary sensors on the JAS family is not really the same thing.
you mean like JA37 or far better example...MiG-31? Not to even go into its numerous problems and limitations.Yeah,its situational awareness and fusion is still pretty great,but that is the only really good thing about it against modern forces
@@nikolaivasilev7371 no. I don’t mean the Mig-31. It is as stealthy as a fireworks show. It’s an interceptor. It’s supposed to be noticeable.
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Thanks for the video and throwing some light on what countries are getting for the price
Will probably watch it again as there was quite a lot of information
Gripen E/F have "sensor information integration"? LoL, that was done already in the JA 37.
Stealth is not completely useless so long as you know it's limitations. No it won't make you absolutely invisible but it will considerably shorten the distance at which you can be detected and that can very likely give the F35 pilot the chance to shoot first which is still a massive advantage no matter how you slice it.
Stealth surely awesome for first stage or all-out war but I am wondering that in compact war where one side can really focus their resource on specific area to counter it. Will 2-3 times 4gen aircraft in number a much better choice (which mean more sortie) since the price difference to operate stealth plane is pretty high
I really question that assumption. The Russians have developed superior range with their new missiles. The also have a stealth hypersonic missile with insane range. I think it will be a serious problem for the F35
@@Boris-do5rs No Boris that is not even an air to air missile so it is only a threat if the F35 is on the ground and you can be absolutely certain that wherever they park them they will have the best missile defense you can imagine and more than likely reinforced hangers. Hypersonic missiles do have their uses but they are not yet the complete game changer that people make them out to be as they have massive issues with guidance and threat detection. Making a missile both stealth and truly hypersonic is a pipe dream with current technology as the plasma boundary layer itself reflects radar so no amount of radar absorbent materials or stealth shaping is going to help, it might be "stealth" in a low speed wind tunnel but that is no help at hypersonic speeds.
Russians are world famous for overstating their military capabilities and not being able to deliver in real world conflicts so I would HIGHLY doubt their claims of any technological leap, heck they cannot even equip the troops they have now with decent kit what would make anyone think their were fielding some sci-fi super weapon?
Often, information is available in plain sight but it is the combination of various pieces that creates this WOW moment.
Great Vid. scary part is that all the capabilities mentioned in the Vid. can be applied to other platforms. Fun to see if F-15EX or B-21 get the same data link.
B21 definitely will. Idk about F15EX, although one would have to assume some miniaturization of components has occured since the F35, so maybe they can fit now.
Thank you, Otis, for uploading this video
Thank you for your EXCELLENT work 🙏👏👏👏💪 We came and stayed for your insight and along the way you graced us with your humor 🤣😂
I think of the sensor/information fusion as trying to automate what the back seat weapons officers used to do in the f-14's and other platforms of that era.
Great video, great explanation.
But also great video editing, particularly the sub-edits like the man drinking the wine etc Pure Class!
Awesome video.
The battlefield is changing rapidly!
Sensor fusion have existed in Saab fighters as far back as Saab Ja37 Viggen (don´t know on what version it was introduced, possibly any from A to D).. Or sort of. Where in this cases the sensor is radar only, while both. What it could do was synk the radar from one aircraft to a other, and even between aircraft and ground-station, making a sort of ad hock. The fusion par is that the onboard radar can be synked with ground or sea based tracking and identification. The computer is fairly large. They pretty much replaced the second seat with a computer system (while the one seater also have a cannon that the two seater dont have)
Nice job in taking what I thought one of the most nuanced and super convoluted aspects of phat Amy. Laying it out so any game theory nerd would get his geek on.
On F-35, fusion. In 2012 there was an Aussie Parliamentary hearing:
"Air Vice Marshal Osley: And so the strength of the joint strike fighter-and I use this as an example-is that
it has the ability to have up to 650 parameters by which it will identify a potential threat out there. Other
aircraft, such as the F22 have about a third of that and fourth-generation aircraft have perhaps half a dozen. So if
you are in an F18 or in some of the other Soviet aircraft you only have a very limited understanding of what the
threat is and being able to identify it at a distance."
Source:
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
Official Committee Hansard
PARLIAMENTARY JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN
AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE
(Defence Subcommittee)
Department of Defence annual report 2010-11
FRIDAY, 16 MARCH 2012"
Thanks for pointing out. It was something was going to cover in a future video.
All that stealth is of little value if it can't be exploited to its fullest. And Data Fusion is the key to really utilizing it to its fullest. Stealth, Sensor Fusion and Data Sharing create something with immense tactical and strategic value.
A most informative video M7. The principles are well understood but the execution... that's where the years and years of testing really come in. Very expensive and hard to get right as many now know.
This sir is why I love your channel... because I knew all this knowledge but for some reason you put it together in such a way that it finally clicked in my head... correct me if I'm wrong but I'm thinking that practically any allied airplane (depending) flying a sortie with the f35 or in the vicinity connected through data link, theoretically, has its "effectiveness" turned up to 10 and the knob ripped off without having to spend tremendous amounts of money upgrading costly and time consuming systems instalations in said other planes (or heck may not even be available for the birds the f35 is flying with). So it practically brings all other generations of airplanes linked up, up to its capabilites making its military and allied planes that more effective. I'm getting the vibe that the f35 is like a flying computer system for the other planes that by itself is just as dangerous and capable. That's genius!!! It only took me this long to figure out! And I was in Altus, Oklahoma the very day they were showing capabilities this bird to the military!!! You sir organized almost 7 years of confusion in my head in 16 minutes! Now I don't feel so bad so much of my Tax dollars went into this program because compared to physically going and upgrading systems on previous gens would be so much more costly let alone the capabilities of this bird by itself...
Welcome to the club, since I know F-35 is a deadly flying Smartphone long ago.
The rafale had data fusion since the very first version. Probably not as good the F-35, but I remember it was presented in the 2000’s as one of the highlights of this platform. I’m surprised OTIS didn’t say anything about it.
I dig your intro music!
Great channel! Thank you 😊
Have they fixed the problem of damage to the plane from the afterburner use, and thus had limited duration of afterburner use to a very short burn time?
Long ago.
I’ve been watching you for awhile and I don’t know what you do for a living.
The F-35 can lead strikes. It can go ahead and find or make a way in. You just need the f-15s to take every pound of ordinance they can. You want the power plant? You get the powerplant.
There is an issue of long band radar, but they are huge pigs to take out right away. The long bands can pick up the fighters. I read a paper that says there is no way to pick up the bombers. No way at all. It has to do with the geometry of the bombers.
I think I read that the communication is done in computer bursts. You have to have that and some lovely ways of cooling your instruments like using fuel to do that.
In fact, people long distant can run the whole show. I love this plane.
A question may rise. Can’t a passive radar or any radio frequency detection antenna catches the F-35 broadcasting from all those sensors ?
Yes and no, it will not know who or what is sending the signal but most of the time it won't even detect the signal at all
I'm pretty sure modern, stealth focused radars like the F-35's will rapidly switch operating frequencies to make detection difficult, so I don't think it would be quite so easy.
It will likely look like background noise. But, there's always a counter to be developed...
The f35 has an lpl datalink called MADL
I'm interested in the idea of putting a sensor fusion computer into an IFV.
The sensors are mounted on small drones that the vehicle launches, they are equipped with GPS, INS and UWB for position measurement.
Video, LIDAR, SAR, atmospheric, IR and radio gathering are the sensors.
Dropping position pucks to add accurate position points for tracks to relate to.
The fused sensor data can be sent to the dismounts and used to call in very accurate indirect fires from the IFV (mortar fire etc)
So basically, data fusion is turning modern warfighting into a 1980s video game.
It’s a funny way to put it out it really seems to be getting that way. The difference between having to train a pilot to an f14 and trying to train a pilot to an f35 is night and day I imagine. It’s seemingly getting as easy as point and click, although I’m not in the Air Force so I’m sure it’s actually still very technical but still.
Bravo, the quarterback role would contribute to the decentralisation of AEW and CCC assets important if you are looking for persistence in a peer to peer fight. It was boring at all hope the bullet wounds weren't too serious.
I am dead, actually. Do you believe a special forces group would leave the work half done? I am replying from the afterlife.
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Lol
@@Millennium7HistoryTech depending on how much you upset the right people. I know a few who would prolong the end awhile just because.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech How good is the connectivity down there? Got 4k downstreams? Can you upload from there as well? How are the seasons? ;-)
After life intel will be a game changer... they created a monster!!
16 minutes later... RIP 🙏 ⚰
Gus is not dead. He transferred his consciousness into Otis and living as a super-intelligent vacuum cleaner.
The gunshots heard were from Otis, who had switched into home defense mode. The kill team had no chance once his sensors located the dirt they were tracking in.
This mirrors the advantage the RAF had during the Battle of Britain the 1940 integrated data fusion called radar and area commands set up by Dowding and used masterfully by Keith Park
t's an amazing bit of kit, but boy oh boy is it loud! I live near a US airbase and have worked on it, too.. F15's sound like a vacuum cleaner in comparison. So, stealth might mean you can't see it, but you'll certainly hear it!
The most potent fusion is between HOBS, HMDS, and 360 degree EOTS.
Note: the "TS" in "360 degree EOTS"
As for stealth vs. longwave installations, it's difficult to field significant amounts of airborne LW radar, or to have it as long of frequency as ground based installations. This creates significant nap of the earth opportunities. Also, the limited number of high power longwave radars capable of being fielded (in air or on ground) is a glass chin. At any rate, EOTS is likely to offer a targeting solution on any guided intercept aircraft before they are able to target the F-35.
F-22's stealth is actually easier to defeat in a manner resulting in a kill. Even though it's radar stealth is substantially greater, the F-35 dominates the IR game, and has no rear blind spot.
One thing rarely brought up, is that missiles can't really use long wave, due to the size limitations of a missile's radome. So are only able to lock at rather close range, and in a limited number of orientations. And they are highly susceptible to chaff and jamming, due to the weakness of the radar return off the F-35 (or F-22). This does leave IR homing missiles of course. And "good" IR missiles should be able to differentiate flares from skin temperature ...unless the skin temperature is tightly regulated as a priority over RCS stealth 'wink'. And then there's decoys, and 'other' anti IR tools.
hey don't shoot M7! he said he would be dad at the end of the video! don't shoot dad!
Always Over the Top of on Information & Presentation.
The ending is priceless 🤣. Thank you.
I hear that the newer ceramic RAM (Radar Absorbant Material) absorbs radar even better than the legacy RAM already used. It could give an even greater advantage to reducing the radar signature keeping the advantage of having a stealth plane at least for a while.
This was good , and the ending was splendid !! 😂
Great vid!! Love the data architecture and strategy stuff.
4:05 "Those have nothing to do with sensero fusion"
I beg to differ. The cameras on a cellphone are sensors. Modern cellphones have multiple cameras. Some of the more advanced one take photos with more than one camera simultaneously, then there is a algoritmic network that try to use the data from 2 or more cameras to produce a better picture.
The picture produced is actually not from one camera, but multiple cameras. and also often multiple shots from every cameras.
I phone in high quality mode take 1 long exposure shot, followed by 9 short exposure shot with one camera, and then 3 shots simultaneously with a other. This way motionblure and depth of field problems can be eliminated.
Most modern phones does it somewhat like this, but not all. Cheap phones often don´t have that function. This is actually the main reason why pictures of expensive phones are better, its not the sensors, its the software.
5:57 Did you say they went the "full Monti"?
I am not confirming nor denying
Yes yes and yes.
The Panther has a futureproof method to it's madness. Even as LO options fade, the F-35s sensor fusion and electronic abilities are what make it truly deadly in the near term.
As I understood it, it is like the predator changed his vision filters in the original film
Great as usual from you!
And don't worry man, if they ain't coming for me they ain't coming for nobody.
an other great video Thanks ! BTW the sound effect at the end is very realistic 🤣
Awesome video, as always ! I love your tone. May I ask you where does your passion and general knowledge on aeronotic comes from ?
I have a master in aeronautical engineering.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech it explains a lot. 😂
F 35: Hardware and Software
Hilarious with the talking vacuum cleaner. Liked the rest of it as well.
Nice video, I did have a question about sensor fusion.
German sources on the Eurofighter attribute advanced capabilities in sensor fusion to it, seemingly matching the capabilities of closed loop fusion. Perhaps it is closed loop fusion on the Typhoon as well, curious if you had more insight on what exactly the Eurofighter offers in comparison to F-35 in that field since it sounds very similar to me
I'll try to describe the difference. Take the Hubble Telescope - it used to be the most powerful telescope in the world, taking its sensor information, and building an image. It's similar to sensor fusion in the Eurofighter. It takes data from its on-board sensors, and combines, and shares the finished picture it has built up. So from one Eurofighter you get the situational awareness off your wingmen patched in with your own.
Then came along the Event Horizon Telescope. It wasn't a single telescope... but rather an array of existing telescopes - that fuse the raw data from each together to act like a single massive telescope almost the diameter of the earth. This allowed scientists to get a picture of the black hole for the first time. Sensor fusion of the F-35 works like that... A squadron of F-35's suddenly becomes like a huge radar, rather than a patch-work of what each other sees. So that allows it to see further than what each can individually see.
And the author of the video touches on one of the main 'enablers' of this... the F-35 has a new Data Link that has the bandwidth to share such a massive quantity of information. Eurofighter shares Link 16 which simply doesn't have the bandwidth. I believe Rafale is getting an similar comms link in the 2030's - but not sure about the Eurofighter.
Data fusion means millions of lines of code that must be Regression Tested for each System addition or upgrade or mod that can take weeks or months - that may be unaffordable or impossible with 4G Collection of Systems Architecture vs 5G Modular Open Systems Architecture for more affordable and more frequent upgrades to keep 5G Platforms continuously tech relevant - that is also becoming increasingly unaffordable requiring 6G Kubernetes Modular Open Systems of Architecture to isolate Flight Control code from other Systems code for On-The-Fly Cloud One code refresh without compromising 6G Platform airworthiness...
Specifically - 4G EuroFighter Typhoon is a Collection of Systems Platform - whereas 5G F35 is a Single Platform System of Systems - with 6G Tempest a Network AI Assisted MultiPlatform System of Systems...
So now you know why 5G F35 is already undergoing its 3rd Tech Refresh to support much greater demands of Blk4 capabilities that will take a decade to only integrate 3 additional weapons + the reason 4G GripenE is in perpetual Test & Evaluation...
Also note 5G F35 uses Fire Control Radar for SEAD allowing wingmen to jam threat Radar while leads launch weapons then reversing roles when internal weapons depleted - only possible with VLO Stealth that allows F35 to get close enough to threat Radar for effective jamming before being Targeted by that very powerful radar - so the reason for an additional 4G EA18 equivalent Eurofighter.ECR to replace Tornado.ECR for SEAD...
Just a question ... What will you make with the f-35 if the adversary has a hack of your datalink ??? this tech is kind of dangerous means your weapons can be used against you...
It seems, from what I have heard, that Saab is also (?) rather advanced in operational fusion across platforms and theatres??
It is.
Don't always agree with Gus's conclusions, but this was well done.
OK I agree with you that Stealth is not the best part of the F35 but the sensor fusion are the Badass thing they have. But are’t there other aircraft that can do this?
Not as well as the F-35, and the F-35 was designed to be able to keep up in terms of software enhancements very quickly.
Great video. Loved the intro.
I’m no aerospace engineer but I watch and love military aircraft, it’s kinda mandatory being a navy brat. One thing that I never hear except in major technical data given on the F 35 is the main attribute of the data fusion and search and track systems are operated on A.I., not legacy algorithm technology
$100 million dollar *Chinese Alloy* scrap metal, S-700 will knock it out the sky before it leaves the carrier… lmfao
Yes, because Russian air defense systems have been proven to be absolutely rock solid in Ukraine. /s
Yea those awesome Russian systems are getting their ass handed to them by those lowly Ukrainians
LOL, you Putin-troll
Russia ❤❤
Funny thought s550 was newest
Great work 👍✨
That’s interesting. I wonder which approach will be favored in the future: traditional AWACS as center point of information or distributed center points in the form of F-35s.
Both has pros and cons, so maybe it takes a real conflict for us to find out, just like how it was concluded in one of German research papers before WWII that it will take a real war to find out which fighter design is correct - single engines ones or twin engine ones.
The E7 Wedgetail takes the AWAC platform to another level….kind of like the F35 has….kind of
@@wattsmichaele Yeah RAAF loves using the E7 in conjunction with both 4th & 5th gen jets. I suspect the choice will come down to the mission profile, an E7 probably won't be used for penetration missions but will probably be the hub for air supremacy, defense & support missions because of its increased analysis capacity
distributed center is the future because it is hard to kill. F-35 is build to be their their only local area network when satcom is down.
Why not both? Not many downsides to having powerful AWACS out of enemy range behind your lines and then F-35/equivalent closer to the fight.
@@ArchOfficial Only rich and powerful nations can choose both. Smaller nations must choose wisely and bet on the right one.
For example, the Soviet Union was leading in super computer up until the 1960s, but chose the wrong path for their transistor development, while America did both the right and wrong ones at the same time since it can afford both.
By 1980s American transistor and computer are far far ahead of the Soviet Union.
soooo.... the channel is on Otis's hands now? get it? hands? XD
Would putting a starling kit on a F-35 make sense? If duly encrypted it could work as a back-up communication.
I know a guy who has a Starling bank kit...
Just joking. The US military is increasingly working on Starlink integration.
Best Outro and Intro awards...
How bout the newly f-313 stealth plane ,can you made a video with it about it's feature, capabilities, performances & etc.
These are amazing strengths to have in an airforce. I wonder though if the upcoming Rafael F4 will have similar capabilities.
great vid!
I would figure the f15ex with its more capable computer and more recent introduction would also maintain a extremely high level of data and sensor fusion. the exact level of fusion had in the f15ex is not as publicized as that had by the f35...yet it is publicized that the f15ex does have data fusion.
the more powerful computer and increased sensors should allow for very potent software for fusing data.
the data link on the f15ex would appear to be different then the standard link16 yet is not MADL.
it would be very interesting to fund out tge actual type and capabilities of the f15ex data link. can a VLOG be made regarding the f15ex data link?
Every country has some good planes but the USA has really has a true 5th gen fighter a pure 5th gen these planes will be great in formation for War this is a plane built to fight a War this plane is a flying computer
I guess this is why it is hard and expensive to train a new pilot. They probably have to know this stuff.
As always , interesting and informative..
Our nation are flying F-35s now , along with the F-18 and the Growler , F-35s will be the main multi role fighter , which I assume , you'd already know..
Thanks again
I love this video almost as much as your "water is wet" video.
Excellent. Thank you.
Ehhh, what about things without track? Such as an S400 battery? What priority will it give to a Su-57 that has such a low radar signature that you only detect the screws used to hold down the wooden parts, but it might be the most dangerous enemy around?
How much of this can the F-15EX do because the screen is even 30% larger and you can have 2 people up there.
Speaking as a total civvy, here....I'm sure that there is a degree of shielding from EMP, but....seems like hobbling the sensor suite (and the rest of the a/c's digital suite, for that matter) would be a shortcut to minimizing/degrading the '35. Understanding that an EMP doesn't discriminate, still concerning that this technology seems to push adversaries towards generating EMP ie nukes? Don't yell....I'm bringing it up in order to understand more than I do. Thanks, cheers. Edit: Well, those items, plus the army of air refueling tankers required to keep our planes in the air.
Thank you and I love your content! Can you please make a video on the T-7A and if it is bad news for jets like Tejas, KAI T50, JF17, etc.
Former U.S. Military engineer here. This guy reminds me of some professors and other people in academia I've met. They begrudgingly admit to superior U.S. Military capabilities while at the same time downplaying and disparaging them. This video has a wealth of information, but a good deal of it is out of context and homogenized for the purposes of disregarding it. For instance, the OODA loop displayed (observe orient decide act) and commentary associated imply that it's common with other aircraft, but ignores the fact that the EuroFighter and other 4th gen aircraft have about a 20-30sec OODA loop to fire a missile, where the F-35 brings the OODA loop down to 3-5 seconds. In modern air combat, the bird that shoots first has a very good chance of winning. Another example is that the "secret sauce" is largely dependent upon algorithms, and that other birds use algorithms and sensors, and that the F-35s algorithms are only as good as their margin of error. This ignores the fact that the F-35 has many more data producing sensors than any other aircraft, and that the data produced is brought together by an AI based computer as complex and powerful as those we put in our submarines. The end result is a "virtual backseater" RIO that is like mixing Goose from Top Gun with Einstein... on meth.
Much like the academics I've worked with in the U.S. this guy seems to be fascinated with technology, but hates the fact that it's used for war and specifically that it's used by the U.S. Military which has no business being superior... you can clearly hear the smug underlying statements; "it's not what you think", "it's not so great", "sounds good but it has flaws". Like some professors I've known, he has the ability to grasp individual concepts and theories, but has no ability to tie them together and grasp practical usage. That is the reason why we say "those who can do, those who can't teach". It's a common theme in his videos. Even when he's saying something good about the U.S. Military, he's passive aggressively disparaging them with images or dismissive tidbits. Can you imagine hating something so much that you dedicate your time to learning about it for the sole purpose of disproving it's value?
I honestly don't know what you are talking about...if you feel offended by my attitude, just stop watching me. No hard feelings.
Meanwhile, my car's cruise control is confused by speed signs meant for trucks half the time and if it isn't, it just makes up limits on its own.
Sir, the real secret is the advanced roomba you have. That's serious area 51 stuff...... 😉
Haha the intro!!
I wholeheartingly will forgive you for any clickbout you put out ;) it's always worth the watch
From IT point od view this is intersting. I will gather my ideas for later.
Combine this with newer ram, adaptive cycles engines, and more advanced electronics in the future production runs and you have a recipe for something even greater.
What is to prevent all these data-rich links between aircraft, etc. from being interfered with?
The only way to do that is you need to physically between the two aircraft.
@@pindot787 So, it's line-of-sight laser? line of sight microwave?
Really?
We probably aren't allowed to know this as if you know how to combat something, you can probably find a way around it
@@SmithgirllThey use a new and mysterious way to bend the ether ... like ESP.
(I hear that you can declassify documents using the same technology.)
If it's simple line of sight, a cloud of chaff would do it.
they have data inscription and using data link they can counter any obfuscation of the proprietary software via malicious 3rd party attacks or denial of service attack on the intranet established by the united states military.
A. What happens if the datalinks are disturbed, degraded or even manipulated? The air defense equivalent of a DoS attack could flood the airwaves making data exchange slower or intermittent.
B. Do the datalinks use frequencies that would offer better tracks for opposing forces?
I think you just described another "Job" the F-35 is capable of performing. Also, Datalinks are not all based on radio. There are other ways to "Connect" to each other.
@@glhx2112 "Other ways" require line of sight, unless they have supersonic carrier pigeons.
Anything powerful enough to be considered a strength can be exploited into a weakness.
Whomever develops quantum computing first will have the opportunity to exploit those vulnerabilities.
They definitely have supersonic carrier pigeons. 🙃
@@Millennium7HistoryTech I had my suspicions!
Especially in heavily jammed modern warfare and all-the time presence of enemy SAMs..
Pushing the algorithm!😊
we have to remember Millennium7 the F-35 hiding at the bottom of the ocean is a whole new level of stealth:)
Appreciate the comedy!
Still, it requires SO MANY assets to detect and target the F-35 that it doesn’t matter that it CAN be targeted.🙄
Meaning, to neutralize that detection, the F-35 only need to cripple ONE leg of detection, and it’s essentially a stealth aircraft in the battle space…again.🤭
Love the ending 😁
Thanks
*Let the Sunshine In.*
Thanks, my models fly.
Well done
i respect countries that make their own military aircrafts and dont have to buy from other countries
The Russian Air Force proved their independence from algorithms in Ukraine. They have no algorithms.
Think of the F-35 more as the 5 star general that sits in the back a few miles behind the front lines and coordinates the strategy and tactics of not just the air war, but also land and sea. It's not the workhorse and it's not the one who will come in the middle of the night to strike and leave, even though theoretically, this is it's main purpose, alas the modern battlefield has well moved on from the Desert Storm era F-117 night time strikes.
Given how random and sporadic modern warfare tends to be, maybe this is exactly why the F-35 is so appealing to people who don't view military aviation through a civilians lens.
The f 35 doesn't like rain.
It was nice knowing you, man. RIP lmao
Been yelling this on forums. F35's strength is that its a stealthy, fast AWACS that can fight. Its not that the jet itself is so advanced so as to be unbeatable, thats f22. The f35 is good because it makes all your other jets (and possibly other platforms) better. Its a flying force multiplier
...and from now on, the Roomba hosts the videos...