I am a terrible singer, so I'm enjoying writing lyrics and having the AI platforms create the sounds I envision. Will it replace musicians...no. Adjustments will be made and great music will prevail. Right now, we're in the "shock and awe" stage. I agree with you Mr. Clarke that it will level out.
I don't think music is doomed, but earning a living from it will be harder. As a hobbyist musician I welcome AI as the songwriting process is definitely easier. I would like to see the BIAB melody generation improved with AI to help with the fitting of melody, lyrics & chord progressions.
Since ia is coming all the effort and love we put on things is slightly devaluated, but it doesn’t replace real talent, but the average musician is suffering for mild depression
I actually don’t think this is true, and here’s why; the most lucrative tours for live musicians category these days is tribute bands. All of us boomers want to see the original bands we either saw or didn’t when we were young. Another up and coming category is live jazz as in trios, quartets, 1940s style, American Songbook people want to see that done live by experts. The money is in music act recycling, and despite the ABBA experience, “AI” robots etc will never be able to accomplish live musicians. People will always be able to tell the difference. Disneyland and Chuck E Cheese started playing this out a long time ago. It’s just a new category. How’d that work out? Everybody knows it isn’t a replacement of humans it’s a new category: human like robotics whatever. That new artist becomes the robots makers. You become one of those or don’t. Nobody ever heard of an electric guitarist’s pedalboard in 1883.
I have to agree with you Henry! The human soul has the ability to love as apposed to Ai. So I believe music and love go hand and glove as a means to worship/or show respect for a God given talent.🙏🎼. Hard to kill off a good thing.
The LLM research that’s been focused and scaled up today started in the 1950s. In 1963 the expression “artificial intelligence” was through reporting on Joseph Wizenbaum’s ELIZA program, in the mid 80s everyone in the computer space went wacky about Artificial Intelligence (ProLog computer language for example), 2000 Steven Spielberg’s “AI” movie. It’s a rolling snowball growng down the mountain. In the future there will be musicians who use AI techniques for their own purposes. Today here are musicians who are learning how and also musicians who refuse to learn how. AM radio was the most explosively successful consumer phenomenon in all of human history far outstripping the Internet, with all adjustments made, and there were also people who refused to have a radio. There are to this day people who refuse to have Internet. Nobody should be surprised by this. You adapt and gain advantages or you refuse and don’t, just like anything else. In 1970 nobody could have imagined satellite GPS systems that allow a jetliner to automatically fly 340 people on a curved approach path to a perfect landing, and that’s standard operating procedure now.
I find that AI never kicks out the same thing twice and it always sounds like someone else's song so Original music is safe. They are great tools and I'm usuing them already. Thanks for the reassurance.
I hope it moves quickly into the mainstream, ai vocals sound great. I would love to write a song and use Lennon or Elvis to sing it. I do t want it to be so expensive that I can’t use it.
I think your comment underlines what I’ve said here elsewhere because there are lots of people who want to recycle the past for fast recognition, and expect be able to monetize that. Nope. The problem there from AI that I never hear anybody talk about probably because it’s pointless is that if you appropriate (as opposed to paying to, and then legally license) from the Presley or Lennon estates for your example the unmistakeable sound of that voice, you’re going to have not only that estate but also every engineer and recording studio that ever contributed to that “sound” demanding their cut from you and they will get it. That’s the price of going into the copying someone else business. I know this myself because I’ve had big music holding companies demand this of me from my totally original pseudorandom music. It’s even like a meteorite falls and some lawyer shows up to claim a copyright on it. That’s the big money future of AI for music. You copy some meteorite, it’s just a matter of time before you get an invoice. This is what I’ve seen people don’t like. But it’s not going away. I’ve already gotten proof myself multiple times and ways over the last 15 years on UA-cam that there’s nowhere to run and nowhere to hide from copyright mining farms, and 0.00% of that is the “fault” of UA-cam nor any other platform. It’s isn’t UA-cam causing this. People don’t get that either. If you want to make money recycling others’ work from the past, expect to pay for it and be regulated in your use of it by its owner, one way or another, sooner or later. That’s the future reality of AI in music I haven’t seen nearly anyone at all grasp. You copy anything on purpose you’re getting a bill. You make something original and some copyright mining farm files a false copyright claim against you, you’re getting a bill. That’s already happened to me BTW since years ago.
Yes I'm not too worried either. Humans will always be moved by music that has call and response plus tension and release. These constants will always remain AI or not?
The music industry has pretty much shifted to a revenue model of putting butts in seats. When I was in college n the 1970's a concert ticket was about the same price as an album. It stayed that way for many years. Now concert tickets are many, many, times the price of an album and the venues are much much larger. Back in the day bands toured to increase album sales. Now they make an album to get people to buy concert tickets. I don't see AI filling arenas until at least the performing 3D AI hologram acts are perfected. Which might take as long as 2 to 3 years from now. Have a nice day. 🙄
It will be a couple of years to flush it all out the but the revenue model for artist has always been butts in seats because at the end of the day that's really how artist got paid. Concert tickets are market driven. Only the very top artists have these insane prices. I'm going next weekend to see a top Funk band and the tickets are very reasonable. While I agree bands toured to make album sales that really hasn't changed. Especially the Jazz artist that always have a table set up at their concerts to sell merch. Still they draw and earn income for that. The only downside I see is that some of them have to stay on the road 40 weeks or more just to keep eating.
For me all it means is that there’s going to be a lot of multi-untalented people Walking away with awards for Grammys and even possibly Oscars because they invested enough money in technology.
Can't say I agree with that. Pitch correction is on EVERYTHING !! Everyone thinks that pitch correction automatically means the T-Pain effect then they do a deep dive and see that their favorite country star also has autotune on. Bottom line, no one what's to hear a bunch of flat notes. Back in the day they didn't use pitch correction. They used multiple takes and microphones with different characteristics. And don't get me started on the guitars with 50 pedals. All of this stuff is just to produce a sound and pitch correction is prevalent in pop music but the other genres are doing fine (with)out it.
Do you realize why GenAI will fail? Likely not. See what you are not TOLD is how much energy these new tools use. The carbon footprint is INSANE... "training a single AI model can emit over 626,000 pounds of CO2, equivalent to the emissions of five cars over their lifetimes" Why no-one is talking about it but promoting GenAI... let them, they will see how this fail.
Professional musicians I know, know they will always be able to get work as professional musicians. They don’t worry about that because they don’t need to and they know it. When a producer needs a musician they won’t use a robot. I think if you have a choice between somebody who bought a guitar and an amp and plays power chords only, an AI generator, and a modest professional musician with a degree and multi international awards and invitations to play festivals and all that, your choice is probably not going to favour the guy who doesn’t have the degree and isn’t a full time music teacher days. If you need “a sound” you can already use samples. It seems to me the people who are most worried about AI are people who don’t want to be compared to a machine and found wanting. Professional musicians aren’t worried about that because they have technique to play in any style or type of music, and what they will get paid for is expression, which AI will get close to but will always show like a 6th weird finger or something. Playing an instrument is only one aspect of being a professional musician. But I think a lot of people think it’s the only aspect.
Not really...AI can't invent or innovate. It is about patterns. When you listen to AI generated music it sound like an average good song. There is no soul. The question is if your want to feed this thing?
I am a terrible singer, so I'm enjoying writing lyrics and having the AI platforms create the sounds I envision. Will it replace musicians...no. Adjustments will be made and great music will prevail. Right now, we're in the "shock and awe" stage. I agree with you Mr. Clarke that it will level out.
Yes, absolutely
Once again, you are cool and right. Every new technology scares, but positive attitude from seniors may help. Thank you!
I honestly believe it will settle down. Maybe not as much in pop music but there are tons of other genres other people listen to.
I don't think music is doomed, but earning a living from it will be harder. As a hobbyist musician I welcome AI as the songwriting process is definitely easier. I would like to see the BIAB melody generation improved with AI to help with the fitting of melody, lyrics & chord progressions.
Since ia is coming all the effort and love we put on things is slightly devaluated, but it doesn’t replace real talent, but the average musician is suffering for mild depression
Same thing happen to guitar players, violinists, and drummers for a while. That will never change. Hell they're replacing singers :-)
It's not the death of Music, but it's the death of the income of musicians.
Making music just for fun is going to rule.
I actually don’t think this is true, and here’s why; the most lucrative tours for live musicians category these days is tribute bands. All of us boomers want to see the original bands we either saw or didn’t when we were young.
Another up and coming category is live jazz as in trios, quartets, 1940s style, American Songbook people want to see that done live by experts.
The money is in music act recycling, and despite the ABBA experience, “AI” robots etc will never be able to accomplish live musicians. People will always be able to tell the difference.
Disneyland and Chuck E Cheese started playing this out a long time ago. It’s just a new category. How’d that work out? Everybody knows it isn’t a replacement of humans it’s a new category: human like robotics whatever.
That new artist becomes the robots makers. You become one of those or don’t. Nobody ever heard of an electric guitarist’s pedalboard in 1883.
I have to agree with you Henry! The human soul has the ability to love as apposed to Ai. So I believe music and love go hand and glove as a means to worship/or show respect for a God given talent.🙏🎼. Hard to kill off a good thing.
Agree !!
The LLM research that’s been focused and scaled up today started in the 1950s. In 1963 the expression “artificial intelligence” was through reporting on Joseph Wizenbaum’s ELIZA program, in the mid 80s everyone in the computer space went wacky about Artificial Intelligence (ProLog computer language for example), 2000 Steven Spielberg’s “AI” movie. It’s a rolling snowball growng down the mountain. In the future there will be musicians who use AI techniques for their own purposes. Today here are musicians who are learning how and also musicians who refuse to learn how.
AM radio was the most explosively successful consumer phenomenon in all of human history far outstripping the Internet, with all adjustments made, and there were also people who refused to have a radio. There are to this day people who refuse to have Internet. Nobody should be surprised by this.
You adapt and gain advantages or you refuse and don’t, just like anything else.
In 1970 nobody could have imagined satellite GPS systems that allow a jetliner to automatically fly 340 people on a curved approach path to a perfect landing, and that’s standard operating procedure now.
I find that AI never kicks out the same thing twice and it always sounds like someone else's song so Original music is safe. They are great tools and I'm usuing them already. Thanks for the reassurance.
I would say that the vocals are real close to commercial artist today so I would be cautious in using it for profit.
I hope it moves quickly into the mainstream, ai vocals sound great. I would love to write a song and use Lennon or Elvis to sing it. I do t want it to be so expensive that I can’t use it.
I think your comment underlines what I’ve said here elsewhere because there are lots of people who want to recycle the past for fast recognition, and expect be able to monetize that. Nope.
The problem there from AI that I never hear anybody talk about probably because it’s pointless is that if you appropriate (as opposed to paying to, and then legally license) from the Presley or Lennon estates for your example the unmistakeable sound of that voice, you’re going to have not only that estate but also every engineer and recording studio that ever contributed to that “sound” demanding their cut from you and they will get it. That’s the price of going into the copying someone else business.
I know this myself because I’ve had big music holding companies demand this of me from my totally original pseudorandom music.
It’s even like a meteorite falls and some lawyer shows up to claim a copyright on it. That’s the big money future of AI for music. You copy some meteorite, it’s just a matter of time before you get an invoice. This is what I’ve seen people don’t like. But it’s not going away.
I’ve already gotten proof myself multiple times and ways over the last 15 years on UA-cam that there’s nowhere to run and nowhere to hide from copyright mining farms, and 0.00% of that is the “fault” of UA-cam nor any other platform. It’s isn’t UA-cam causing this. People don’t get that either.
If you want to make money recycling others’ work from the past, expect to pay for it and be regulated in your use of it by its owner, one way or another, sooner or later.
That’s the future reality of AI in music I haven’t seen nearly anyone at all grasp.
You copy anything on purpose you’re getting a bill. You make something original and some copyright mining farm files a false copyright claim against you, you’re getting a bill. That’s already happened to me BTW since years ago.
Yes I'm not too worried either. Humans will always be moved by music that has call and response plus tension and release. These constants will always remain AI or not?
Agree
The music industry has pretty much shifted to a revenue model of putting butts in seats. When I was in college n the 1970's a concert ticket was about the same price as an album. It stayed that way for many years. Now concert tickets are many, many, times the price of an album and the venues are much much larger. Back in the day bands toured to increase album sales. Now they make an album to get people to buy concert tickets. I don't see AI filling arenas until at least the performing 3D AI hologram acts are perfected. Which might take as long as 2 to 3 years from now. Have a nice day. 🙄
It will be a couple of years to flush it all out the but the revenue model for artist has always been butts in seats because at the end of the day that's really how artist got paid. Concert tickets are market driven. Only the very top artists have these insane prices. I'm going next weekend to see a top Funk band and the tickets are very reasonable. While I agree bands toured to make album sales that really hasn't changed. Especially the Jazz artist that always have a table set up at their concerts to sell merch. Still they draw and earn income for that. The only downside I see is that some of them have to stay on the road 40 weeks or more just to keep eating.
For me all it means is that there’s going to be a lot of multi-untalented people Walking away with awards for Grammys and even possibly Oscars because they invested enough money in technology.
That's possible but isn't that pop music anyway :-)
AI won’t kill music until it (AI) starts enjoying making music.
I am much more worried about pitch correction, which has taken over the industry.
Can't say I agree with that. Pitch correction is on EVERYTHING !! Everyone thinks that pitch correction automatically means the T-Pain effect then they do a deep dive and see that their favorite country star also has autotune on. Bottom line, no one what's to hear a bunch of flat notes. Back in the day they didn't use pitch correction. They used multiple takes and microphones with different characteristics. And don't get me started on the guitars with 50 pedals. All of this stuff is just to produce a sound and pitch correction is prevalent in pop music but the other genres are doing fine (with)out it.
Not the death, the re-birth. Just listen to the top ten Billboard crap, Audio & Suno blows it away.....
Do you realize why GenAI will fail? Likely not. See what you are not TOLD is how much energy these new tools use. The carbon footprint is INSANE...
"training a single AI model can emit over 626,000 pounds of CO2, equivalent to the emissions of five cars over their lifetimes"
Why no-one is talking about it but promoting GenAI... let them, they will see how this fail.
Do you play an instrument, Henry?
Professional musicians I know, know they will always be able to get work as professional musicians. They don’t worry about that because they don’t need to and they know it.
When a producer needs a musician they won’t use a robot.
I think if you have a choice between somebody who bought a guitar and an amp and plays power chords only, an AI generator, and a modest professional musician with a degree and multi international awards and invitations to play festivals and all that, your choice is probably not going to favour the guy who doesn’t have the degree and isn’t a full time music teacher days. If you need “a sound” you can already use samples.
It seems to me the people who are most worried about AI are people who don’t want to be compared to a machine and found wanting. Professional musicians aren’t worried about that because they have technique to play in any style or type of music, and what they will get paid for is expression, which AI will get close to but will always show like a 6th weird finger or something.
Playing an instrument is only one aspect of being a professional musician. But I think a lot of people think it’s the only aspect.
Yep
@@henryclarke5407 Piano?
Not really...AI can't invent or innovate. It is about patterns. When you listen to AI generated music it sound like an average good song. There is no soul.
The question is if your want to feed this thing?
Wel not sure about feeding but at least understand and if possible use it to your benefit.