I've got one of the first version ShotMax wrist-worn timers. One nice feature it has is "accelerometer mode". Regular timers are terrible at indoor or crowded ranges. Since it's on my wrist, it can sense recoil, instead of sound. Works pretty well.
Waters I love how you nearly agreed with me by your third sentence. The quote was a bit much. And I incorrectly attributed it to Peter Drucker. Oh well. I guess I really learned something here. Thanks Waters.
Yes sir! Got myself a competition electronics pocket pro for timing my cowboy shooting (fanning 3 shots out of a single action revolver in less than .20 seconds) Also that thumbnail is exactly what it said when I tested my cowboy fast draw time, and got .51. 😂 The timer is definitely a great tool! And I'll be using it again this weekend when I try for a tripleshot with my cap and ball revolver!
Good video. I have been using a shot timer for about 2 years. A great way to help yourself get better. You can't improve if you don't measure. I like the comment that shooting w/o a timer is like shooting w/o a target.
The shotmaxx 2 is pretty phenomenal. I've been training with mine for about 3 months. You can measure your shots by microphone OR recoil. Meaning if there are 6 other guys on the range it'll only measure your shots and not pick up the ones from around you.
Im grateful to have a family ranch. I've been able to invest in various types of targets and now have been using my timer. Im becoming a fast and accurate shooter. I've never had to deal with the BS indoor range rules.
I picked up a timer last week and got to take it to the range once, with my father-in-law. It was great. We worked on shooting a 5” target, at 5 yards, within 5 seconds from the low ready position. This was time well spent. We were at the range for a little over 2 hours and shoot 100 rounds each. I’m normally at the range an hour or little more but shoot 150 - 250 rounds. It’s not about the # you get down range. It’s about the # you get down range, on target and quickly.
"There might not be a timer in that gunfight, but there's another dude with a gun trying to kill you and he's probably in a hurry." Sums it up. A timer is your closest approximation/simulation of that time element during regular training.
Great topic! Years ago I used to edc a Glock 23. I picked up a (then new) Glock 32 & shot them side by side w/a timer. I ended up getting rid of the G23...
I just wish I had enough land of my own to shoot on or a range near me that didn't have a 1 second between each shot rule... Then I'd consider getting a shot timer.
Any shot timer that can set a Par Time can also be used for dry fire training. This is one instance where a smartphone APP makes more sense. It doesn't need to hear a shot accurately because you're just dry fire training. You can also use a stopwatch with a Par Time Alarm for this type of training.
swaghauler I'll give it a try, still would prefer live fire training, but any training is better than none at all. Also anyone who knows a good range in Central Florida that doesn't have overly restrictive rules, please pass on the name or location to me!
CED7000 - best timer on the market now, basically a standard in Europe for IPSC competition (or IDPA matches in countries of Europe where CCW is allowed). Anyway, timer is best investment, right after the gun, plenty of ammo (or reloading compontents). Forget fancy pistol mods and other crap.
Could you review the Ruger Security Six? I have a 2.75 inch one from my grandfather and I have fallen in love it. While they are similar to the GP100 I would love to see your thoughts in them.
While I am in no way calling a timer 'useless', I have to disagree with the general premise. Especially in the description. A shot timer isn't going to tell you anything as to the 'why' of your sucking. And a timer is not one of the best ways to make someone a better shooter: timers don't teach. You can do plenty without a shot timer that will allow you to 'not suck': practice your mechanics from small, simple actions: 'slow is smooth, smooth is fast' and work your way up to combined actions while gradually increasing your speed without worrying about a timer. Just running out and getting/using a timer can lead to bad habits and frustration (and possibly dangerous situations) as a shooter: especially a novice. You can have a friend blow a whistle or shout 'threat' at you for free; or set a short countdown on your smartphone to initiate a drill.
Why do guys following a shooter, do so with the timer led out in front of themselves likes its going to blow up in their hand? Is the gunshot not sufficiently loud for it to work otherwise?
Just because there’s no timer doesn’t mean there’s no time. Time is moving without that clock on your belt telling you it’s moving. The idea of “I’ve never seen a timer in a gunfight” is actually one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard in relation to self defense with firearms... and that’s saying something.
Don't have a timer, haven't seen a timer used at the range I go to but I don't believe they are against the rules. I've been wanting one for a while but hard to justify the price point. How do you deal with others at the range who are also shooting? The range I go to is pretty popular and there are usually at least 3-5 others shooting near me at any given time. I would imagine this would mess with the timer picking up my shots. EDIT: Okay just finished watching the video, seems like it's tricky with indoor ranges. Also, any good black friday deals on ammo?
+Alex Baker If it's an outdoor range, it shouldn't be a problem. Indoors, you just have to play around with the placement of the timer so it doesn't pick up everyone else's shots.
Different timers have different features. The CED is very easy to adjust sensitivity. You just have to play around with it to work indoors with other shooters. Also even if it doesn't pick up your shots there are plenty of drills that only require a start beep and par time.
Clint Smith states there is no need for a timer. Shooting fast isn't the most important aspect. You should learn to shoot accurately before shooting quickly. And honestly with Clint Smiths credentials Id take his advice before most.
Speed and accuracy are not mutually exclusive. Clint Smith has a lot of good things to say, but on this issue, his advice runs counter to nearly every other reputable instructor in the firearms training industry.
I dunno. I believe the most important issue is getting fast hits on your target. Shot timers really don't add anything to skill development; if you're shooting slow you're shooting slow, and it doesn't take a timer to tell you that. Frankly, a timer may or may not give you comparative value, but it does NOT help you get hits on your target. Focus on fast hits and you'll be fine.
Lucky Gunner Ammo Depends on who gets to define honest; if I get off five shots as fast as I can and miss four of them, a timer doesn't change that, and won't introduce anything to improve the game. Let's be honest: we all know what's at stake when it comes to defensive shooting vs range paper shooting, and anyone who pays attention knows getting fast hits within the black lines is the objective. A timer's results have to be measured against something, and most likely will be measured against numbers that good shooters like you or Jerry M produce, but trying to speed-fire to beat a clock can be more of a hindrance. While I understand the desirability to introduce a game-challenge to one's range time, I stand by my comment of getting fast hits as being key. Not getting hits for the sake of beating a clock is counter-intuitive to self-defense. I would challenge anyone to get five out of five on paper as fast as they can pull the trigger before trying to ascend into something akin to competitive shooting.
So use a timer to find out how fast you can keep all your hits in the black and then figure out what you need to do in order to make that time faster. If you don't measure it, you have no idea if you're getting better. The goal is not to just beat the clock, it's to beat the clock *and* get your hits. You don't have to be some kind of advanced level shooter to reap the benefits of working under time pressure.
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I've always found that my timer beeps in a condescending tone. Like its judging me.
You're not the only one.
I’m offended the timer judges me on my lack of skills. #sjw
Beeeeeeeep, peasent
lol
I've got one of the first version ShotMax wrist-worn timers. One nice feature it has is "accelerometer mode". Regular timers are terrible at indoor or crowded ranges. Since it's on my wrist, it can sense recoil, instead of sound. Works pretty well.
Hey maybe someone could put that on a watch?
Getting caught up on some episodes. Love this one. Numbers don't lie. TRUTH. Love this channel, y'all.
nice shout out to Active Self Protection
"If you can't measure it, you can't improve it. -Peter Drucker
Waters I love how you nearly agreed with me by your third sentence. The quote was a bit much. And I incorrectly attributed it to Peter Drucker. Oh well. I guess I really learned something here. Thanks Waters.
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Drucker was way ahead of his time!
>>Buy Shot timer
>>Every gun range has a 1 shot per 2 second rule
.... hrnggggg
I havent been to a range that allows drawing from a holster
christ you guys are going to shit ranges
try not to go to a range. its legal to shoot in the woods and places like that too. i shoot on an old strip mine, 1000s of yards for free
that's highly dependent on local and state laws though. In my state it's not legal to do so unless it's private property.
Thunderbolt22A10 All national forest land is free game.
One tool I don't have at the range. Thanks for the tip,will check it out. Thanks for posting.
Yes sir! Got myself a competition electronics pocket pro for timing my cowboy shooting (fanning 3 shots out of a single action revolver in less than .20 seconds) Also that thumbnail is exactly what it said when I tested my cowboy fast draw time, and got .51. 😂 The timer is definitely a great tool!
And I'll be using it again this weekend when I try for a tripleshot with my cap and ball revolver!
ASP is my favorite Gun related YT channel
I tried several App shot timers; don’t waste your time. Spend the $100 and get a real timer..
sharper2112 - agreed.
I went with the Pact 3 Shot Timer. Works perfect and 4 simple buttons makes it easy to operate. amzn.to/2tQmg4Y
Good video. I have been using a shot timer for about 2 years. A great way to help yourself get better. You can't improve if you don't measure. I like the comment that shooting w/o a timer is like shooting w/o a target.
The shotmaxx 2 is pretty phenomenal. I've been training with mine for about 3 months. You can measure your shots by microphone OR recoil. Meaning if there are 6 other guys on the range it'll only measure your shots and not pick up the ones from around you.
You need to put out more videos! Really enjoy them.
Someone needs to make a shot timer with a "whomp whomp" noise if time is subpar
Or the price is right tone
The best part about shot timers... dry fire training! Get Ben Stoegers book and a shot timer and start training hard.
Yes, highly recommended.
That thumbnail lol
Its one of the most creative thumbnails I’ve seen on UA-cam
Im grateful to have a family ranch. I've been able to invest in various types of targets and now have been using my timer. Im becoming a fast and accurate shooter. I've never had to deal with the BS indoor range rules.
I picked up a timer last week and got to take it to the range once, with my father-in-law. It was great. We worked on shooting a 5” target, at 5 yards, within 5 seconds from the low ready position.
This was time well spent. We were at the range for a little over 2 hours and shoot 100 rounds each. I’m normally at the range an hour or little more but shoot 150 - 250 rounds. It’s not about the # you get down range. It’s about the # you get down range, on target and quickly.
Elvis said it best, "a little less talk, a lot more action"
Your content is fantastic Chris. You've earned a new sub buddy. Keep em coming.
"There might not be a timer in that gunfight, but there's another dude with a gun trying to kill you and he's probably in a hurry." Sums it up. A timer is your closest approximation/simulation of that time element during regular training.
The common sense is oozing. I am so thankful for your guys making these videos.
Best video on shot timers
Always enjoy the material you put out! Keep it up!
I have seen the wristwatch timer. It works really well. A guy that shoots at our range uses one.
Great topic! Years ago I used to edc a Glock 23. I picked up a (then new) Glock 32 & shot them side by side w/a timer. I ended up getting rid of the G23...
TheGunfighter45acp I wish more people would realize the wonders of the 357 Sig so we could get it cheaper...
I subscribed because you mentioned you watch Active Self Protection channel.
I just wish I had enough land of my own to shoot on or a range near me that didn't have a 1 second between each shot rule... Then I'd consider getting a shot timer.
Any shot timer that can set a Par Time can also be used for dry fire training. This is one instance where a smartphone APP makes more sense. It doesn't need to hear a shot accurately because you're just dry fire training. You can also use a stopwatch with a Par Time Alarm for this type of training.
swaghauler I'll give it a try, still would prefer live fire training, but any training is better than none at all. Also anyone who knows a good range in Central Florida that doesn't have overly restrictive rules, please pass on the name or location to me!
Good as usual, thanks, stay safe Chris.
"How could you be so obtuse?!" - Andy Dufresne
What did you call me?
If you can't measure it, you can't manage it. Timers are a must have for improving your timeliness/speed.
CED7000 - best timer on the market now, basically a standard in Europe for IPSC competition (or IDPA matches in countries of Europe where CCW is allowed).
Anyway, timer is best investment, right after the gun, plenty of ammo (or reloading compontents). Forget fancy pistol mods and other crap.
They are nice and I have one but they are useless at an indoor range even adjusting the sensitivity
Could you review the Ruger Security Six? I have a 2.75 inch one from my grandfather and I have fallen in love it. While they are similar to the GP100 I would love to see your thoughts in them.
Nice info. Thanks.
While I am in no way calling a timer 'useless', I have to disagree with the general premise. Especially in the description. A shot timer isn't going to tell you anything as to the 'why' of your sucking. And a timer is not one of the best ways to make someone a better shooter: timers don't teach. You can do plenty without a shot timer that will allow you to 'not suck': practice your mechanics from small, simple actions: 'slow is smooth, smooth is fast' and work your way up to combined actions while gradually increasing your speed without worrying about a timer. Just running out and getting/using a timer can lead to bad habits and frustration (and possibly dangerous situations) as a shooter: especially a novice. You can have a friend blow a whistle or shout 'threat' at you for free; or set a short countdown on your smartphone to initiate a drill.
@@Pler1978 You're welcome, Pro!
Thank you... wish list item!
I thumbed up just for USUCK cover image.
I use shot free timer apps on my iPad and Android phone, they are great!
Why do guys following a shooter, do so with the timer led out in front of themselves likes its going to blow up in their hand? Is the gunshot not sufficiently loud for it to work otherwise?
Where i can buy a Shot Timers ,gracias or contestar.
It's on my list.
I wish there was a timer that worked on a busy indoor range.
Just because there’s no timer doesn’t mean there’s no time. Time is moving without that clock on your belt telling you it’s moving. The idea of “I’ve never seen a timer in a gunfight” is actually one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard in relation to self defense with firearms... and that’s saying something.
I’m sure Bob Munden didn’t learn with a timer, although he used them in his demonstrations and, of course, to establish his Guinness world record.
Why are these so expensive? $100 for a microphone?
Don't have a timer, haven't seen a timer used at the range I go to but I don't believe they are against the rules. I've been wanting one for a while but hard to justify the price point.
How do you deal with others at the range who are also shooting? The range I go to is pretty popular and there are usually at least 3-5 others shooting near me at any given time. I would imagine this would mess with the timer picking up my shots.
EDIT: Okay just finished watching the video, seems like it's tricky with indoor ranges. Also, any good black friday deals on ammo?
+Alex Baker If it's an outdoor range, it shouldn't be a problem. Indoors, you just have to play around with the placement of the timer so it doesn't pick up everyone else's shots.
Different timers have different features. The CED is very easy to adjust sensitivity. You just have to play around with it to work indoors with other shooters. Also even if it doesn't pick up your shots there are plenty of drills that only require a start beep and par time.
Awesome! Good to know, thank you.
You can just use the par function if you're picking up other lanes shots
Shot timers are worth every penny. Training without one at least half the time just doesn't make much sense.
You forgot one thing, they are fun.
My shot timer has me ...triggered
Clint Smith states there is no need for a timer. Shooting fast isn't the most important aspect. You should learn to shoot accurately before shooting quickly. And honestly with Clint Smiths credentials Id take his advice before most.
Speed and accuracy are not mutually exclusive. Clint Smith has a lot of good things to say, but on this issue, his advice runs counter to nearly every other reputable instructor in the firearms training industry.
Lucky Gunner Ammo I understand that, thanks for the reply I like your channel very informative and fun to watch!
Shot timer app = a guy who will spend $200 on a gold barrel, and $150 on a trigger, but not $130 on a real shot timer.
BMAH the splits app works well for .99 and helped drop about 2 seconds off my times in steel challenge
Waters so you don't have any experience in the subject of shot timers. Thanks for your input, enjoy your car.
I mean I considered the app because I'm a broke college student. And I didn't mod my guns because I don't got the cash to do so.
BMAH paid $300 on a "real GPS"
#pavlov
I dunno. I believe the most important issue is getting fast hits on your target. Shot timers really don't add anything to skill development; if you're shooting slow you're shooting slow, and it doesn't take a timer to tell you that. Frankly, a timer may or may not give you comparative value, but it does NOT help you get hits on your target. Focus on fast hits and you'll be fine.
Very often what "feels" fast is not nearly as fast as we think it is. Shot timers keep you honest.
Lucky Gunner Ammo
Depends on who gets to define honest; if I get off five shots as fast as I can and miss four of them, a timer doesn't change that, and won't introduce anything to improve the game. Let's be honest: we all know what's at stake when it comes to defensive shooting vs range paper shooting, and anyone who pays attention knows getting fast hits within the black lines is the objective. A timer's results have to be measured against something, and most likely will be measured against numbers that good shooters like you or Jerry M produce, but trying to speed-fire to beat a clock can be more of a hindrance. While I understand the desirability to introduce a game-challenge to one's range time, I stand by my comment of getting fast hits as being key. Not getting hits for the sake of beating a clock is counter-intuitive to self-defense. I would challenge anyone to get five out of five
on paper as fast as they can pull the trigger before trying to ascend into something akin to competitive shooting.
So use a timer to find out how fast you can keep all your hits in the black and then figure out what you need to do in order to make that time faster. If you don't measure it, you have no idea if you're getting better. The goal is not to just beat the clock, it's to beat the clock *and* get your hits. You don't have to be some kind of advanced level shooter to reap the benefits of working under time pressure.
I hate early jokes, but holy hell am I early! 3rd comment!
araknidude If you had a proper timer, you may have been first...
Hush, child