Ukraine Says Russia Is Using Starlink: How Elon Musk’s Satellites Work | WSJ
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- SpaceX’s Starlink, Elon Musk’s low-orbit satellite service, has been essential to Ukraine’s operations in the war against Russia. But officials in Kyiv say that Moscow’s forces have been buying satellite internet terminals and using them on the front line in its war against Ukraine, raising questions about what Musk and SpaceX can do, if anything, to shut down the effort.
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Chapters:
0:00 Starlink and Ukraine
0:42 How Starlink works
2:05 How Starlink restricts service
3:07 Challenges
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Plot twist SpaceX gives all user info to pentagon and pentagon wants Russia to continue using starling.
Twist?😂😂
No but seriously that’s where my money is
plus their locations can be traced to local command centres and soldiers locations.
starling? is that chinese knockoff of starlink?
@GraniteInTheFace Russia let China do the hacking inside China, what of it you can do?
@@dharmdevil no it's my Microsoft keyboard being a dingus and autocorrecting me when I wasnt wrong.
So, they're acquiring terminals using the same methods they are using to sell their oil.
Azerbaijan and Geogia xd
🇨🇳 watchin 🇷🇺 : I'm coming for ya 🇹🇼
@@Booz2020😂😂😂
Be thankful that Russia doesn't fry terrorist satellites with the world's most powerful lasers. If Syria, 30% of whose territory is occupied by the United States, had such lasers, they would probably have used them long ago. Russians are very peace-loving.
central asia as usual
The right title should be: “Starlink faces difficulty disabling Russian use in Ukraine battlefield”. Can’t be more clear about the essence of this video, but instead WSJ chose to be blurry.
Slava TSMC 🇹🇼
Funny that Elon had no problem disable Ukrainian starlinks when they started using them neer the sevastopol.
Clickabe titles are prio #1, very sad too see even from Journalistic channels like this, I want truth not clickability :/, watching the video does explain the misinformation though.
@@zperdek cause that's quite far from the frontline (60m+) - easy to detect
@@zperdek The “shut down”story was not accurate and it’s not hard to find the explanation from many follow-up reports.
As if the NSA isn't monitoring them 😆
You think they were forced to cooperate like AT&T back in the days of the cold war?
If so reporters may find documented court cases on that subject. I think Musk would consider Star Link his private property and is by heart a republican who doesn't want government setting foot on his property. Which may but also explain why russia has access to star link. Not only because republicans are quite cozy with russia, but due to the self image of a self made man who sells to anyone who wants to buy ... which may therefor be seen as breaking sanctions if not worse.
@@kinngrimm his business Space X is a USA governmant conrtractor and is star link currently going throught testing with the USA militray. The government can get all the access they want
@@kinngrimm Seems you watch too much mainstream. Republican and Democrats both love the government. You have to look at their actions to how much both love the government. Republican's will go on mainstream media and say they don't like federal government but in reality they love it. They're basically the same party with few ideological differences who are trying to get as much power as you can.
@@kinngrimm You think Elon Musk is a republican? Are you serious? Someone who supports universal basic income and a tax on carbon emissions? Stop eating out of the hand of media outlets and think for yourself.
100% they are
reminded me I read about the Korean war.. UN troops were surprised that Chinese were firing Tommy guns at them. i want to use the same analogy.. like a tommy gun, you dont need to be an American to use it.. turned out the US provided them during the Chinese Civil War to KMT... were all lost. same idea with the starlink
Unlike a a Tommy gun. Starlink uses active subscriptions. Meaning the Elon is allowing Russia to subscribe and use the system.
they already copied tommy guns in 1920s, way before korean wat
I'm behind the time's with technology these reports are enlightening thanks
If the Kremlin says"we don't use it". Be sure they do.
100% everything they say is usually the exact opposite. LOL
nike, apple etc exit from russia 2 years ago but You can still buy it in shop 🤣
blackmarket exist for a reason
Same goes with the Whitehouse
IS THAT WHY UKRAINE STILL THINKS THIER WINNING?
😅😂😅😂😂😅
Just like the traitors in office here.
Starlink isn't a buy the hardware get the service for free setup, they know exactly what receivers are on what accounts.
elon should start to issue camo pattern dishes obviously
Spray paint or camo net 3:19
Even using user authentication, furthermore with photo ID, they still can fake it, either forgery or borrowing it. Devices allow list, they still can stole it or use third party vendors. Basically Starlink still on hot fire whatever they do.
I wonder how easy it would be for SpaceX to triangulate the coordinates of the terminals, basically like GPS in reverse
They already have to pinpoint the terminals in order to steer the data beam to them. It’s not a problem of determining where terminals are but determining who they belong to. SpaceX would have to somehow keep track of the dynamic front line across thousands of km in real time.
@@Rudmin No they dont. If someone access to starlink, they know exact location of it. Everyone knows where borders are, so its not hard to determine what belongs to soviets and who belongs to west.
They knew roughly where the borders were before 2022. Now it’s a constantly changing frontline and nobody knows exactly where the contact line is at all times.
@@markoliimatainen2565 the borders are constantly changing in a battle field
Ukraine could host a database that contains records for each Starlink terminal they currently operate. Starlink could then cross reference each terminal they know to be operating in Ukraine with that database and disable those that do not have corresponding records in the database. There are some obvious downsides to this, such as needing to securely maintain these records and the need to keep track of every Starlink terminal (both civilian and military), but it's a start.
They could block any serial number not sold in Ukraine...
Lol, you have Russian assets within Ukraine and there is corruption there.
So, don’t be surprised if someone enters the data of the terminal sold to russia as well
@@urband10 Ukraine received a lot of Starlink terminals bought outside of Ukraine.
haha surely Russia never thought of this, slobber urgranny!
Terminal will be hacked and spoofed anyway no matter what you do on the software things. Unless Starlink takes into account the security for hardware hacking up to very decent level in the first place, Russians will break through the system eventually and consistently.
Would you trust critical traffic to a system from a company that's based in an adversarial country? I wouldn't. I'd assume the NSA is reading every message.
You mean kgb is readin every message from comrade musk`s commie link.
When the guy who's running it is willing do anything for a dollar there's a good chance
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Member iphone had jailbreak….starlink jailbreak ?
Maybe they watch HBO
why would you want Russia to stop using Starlink? If they paid for it, let them have it, it's only fair.
When he said "Separation confirmed" i felt that :(
Seems like a StarLink terminal would be a good indicator of a command and control element of the Russian armed forces. Not sure it I’d want a calling card in the patio or balcony of the structure I’m using.
Those who didn't learn to put their radiowave emitters/receiver on some distance from their actual location are not alive after 2 years of war. That goes for both sides. Not only starlinks, but other antennas as well
Or not. We Will see soon
It's a small device.
Musk would only try to protect Russia.
This would work in reverse also
The allow list section is so stupid. You can only connect to Starlink through their terminals. All terminals are manufactured by Starlink and are sold by them or authorized sellers, therefore all terminals are allowed by default. This does not help to determine whether a terminal is transferred to an unauthorized party.
There is nothing stupid about this. You just don’t understand it. Starlink supports the Ukrainian Military. They can easily get a list of all the device id‘s which the Ukrainians own. All other devices near the front line will be disabled.
@@Rollmops94
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@@Rollmops94there is no list. commerical and private entities have been donating starlink to ukrainian soldiers since the beginning. there are thousands of units not registered with the ukrainian army. there is no ukrainian army starlink terminal database.
@@bardgold4553
First of all: How do you know? I am 99 percent certain you don’t know how the Ukrainian military handled these things. Then there is communication. Even if such a list does not exist it is actually pretty easy to create such a list. The Ukrainians could look for an id in their devices and report it back. Devices could have their id read automatically when communicating over a secure Ukrainian channel/server. Why talk so much when you clearly don’t have any knowledge to back anything up? Are you that desperate?
So what? SpaceX is a company just like any companies in the world who likes making profits.
🛰🇺🇦 Fascinating insight from WSJ on Ukraine's claim that Russia is using Starlink. Elon Musk's satellites continue to shape geopolitics, highlighting the intersection of technology and global affairs. 🚀🌐
Now that's free WiFi
seems like WSJ has an axe to grind with Elon Musk
Ukraine would literally have no communication without Elon Musks Starlink service. The Ukraine government should be a little more thankful for the help and support they received. They seem to be irritating the Polish farmers as well.
hello ruzzian bot.🎉
@@EnjoyMoto Hello Zelenskys co-sniffer. 😶🌫
he said the truth... Ukraine are not greatful@@EnjoyMoto
@@EnjoyMotoi guess you are a russian bot, which tries to deny any problem.
@@tubeyou8728 Russians are using Ukrainian GSM network. What did Ukraine to this issue? Nobody wants to shoot in own leg? Better spit on Elon Musk?
Whats funny is you cant because its a military program.
I see where this is useful, but I still hate it...I go camping often and I can already see the satellites they launched blinking across the night sky
TLDW; Starlink should setup a Nyet list.
Had two of them, they just failed to work.
allowlist is a good idea
Everyone needs to watch the tucker carlson and putin interview!!!!
This issue is so much more complex than this stupid WSJ video implies. They would have you believe that the Russians simply go to their local illegal electronics store, pick up a Starlink terminal, carry it the front and use it to wage war on Ukraine. The Starlink networks knows when any online terminal is in view of any satellite and where it is located exactly. It is easy to geo-fence any terminal, given that they allowed it to connect in the first place. Now ask yourself what do you want to do with that knowledge. You can either deny it access, or permit it access. If you permit it access, you can track it's location, collect intelligence on it, etc. If you choose to deny it access, you may be doing more harm than good. Personally, firing up a Starlink terminal without understanding that big brother knows exactly what you are doing and where you are sounds like a Wily Coyote move to me. So for the WSJ to imply that this situation is bad without any analysis, is just irresponsible.
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Have you heard of encryption?
The allow list is a no-brainer, but in the wrong hands with someone with knowledge can easily deny access to the ones that need it the most
Ukraine just request list of terminals in their country to SpaceX, then Ukraine can request which terminals to disable. Done. There is no problem.
Ukraine could ask for disabling starlink over occupied areas as it was before, but since Ukraine want to engage in terrorist activities (e.g guiding drone boats to crimea) then they cant really do that.
Oh well
This awkward situation for starlink, if they were to admit they could produce an acurate map of where each terminal was, you could have a country that banned them demanding the map so they could hunt down people using them to get the uncensored (rather than government version) of the internet
Yeah, but Starlink is incorporated in America, and their payments are handled in American jurisdiction. Starlink has zero legal obligation to fulfill such requests, since their service is technically illegal in such regimes already
@@prfwrx2497 I think these regimes are devious and nasty enough to make their presence felt irrespective of legality:-(
@@backacheache
What he is saying is that Elon Musk does not have to give any information to anyone. Also the video already said that Starlink knows the devices locations. It is also obvious that it can know, because each Satellite obviously knows what ground devices it is connected to. The rest is just a triangulation algorithm and then you know the location.
man, there isn't USA, there is almost no censorship, you can watch both sides.
This like Tony stark stuff. Elon break out to suit 😂
Who's monitoring and manipulating Star link? Is thier an independent body oversight Starlink with inference?
Another issue not identified in this article is how does Starlink know if a terminal has been supplied by the Ukranians but subsequently captured by the Russians. A very tricky situation that could only really be sorted by actively denying both sides access to the network.
Iridium officially operates in Russia and even has a ground station, right?
I thought he denied sale to Russia?
for all the cybersecurity professionals out there who didn’t catch that “allowlist” is just a more inclusive term for “whitelist”.
An analogous term for a “blacklist” would be “blocklist”
''Russia says'' That one never gets old.
5,400 satellites!!
It’s an opportunity for US defense to study Russian tactics. Let it fly .. good way to find Russian patterns.
Russian military intelligence GRU: omg, they are like todlers... they bite everything.... I can't f...ng belive it
luckily those terminals can't be hack'd.
right?
right?
Exactly... Nothing can be hacked anymore. Nothing.
Everything can be hacked, everything is vulnerable. And breaking enemy communications and listening in while also being able to sent false information on their own system is how wars are fought behind the scenes.
@@JeanLucsNerdBrain Gee Thanks Captain Obvious... Do you think they will use drones in more wars too
@JeanLucPolitics brain-dead. You used all that brain and still didn't realise it was sarcasm. Amazing
@@JoySingh lol!
Strike 1
Here’s your weekly WSJ hit piece on Musk. Still waiting for the weekly Disney hit piece as well 😂
Just ban both of them from using it. Problem solved.
They can’t 🤣 elons project bout to be hijacked by Russia, they hold his work hostage
Elon promised Ukraine Star Link service "indefinitely".
Two years of war and nobody stopped now situation is absolutely terrible everyone preparing for war 😂
My internet provider sucks. I think I am going to buy starlink package.
Yours is probably cheaper and at least as reliable.
just plug it off and hear whos screams louder lol
Russians like quick WiFi too 😂
Well, all he need to do is feed the positions to allies.
As starlink works, he can pinpoint perfect location ef every user in occupied territories !
How the heck is starlink approved for use in Iran?!
it's not. but starlink has global coverage. iranians can just get them from other countries
It is approved for use over Iran, not in Iran.
You're coming from the wrong direction, its not the Iranian Governemnt approving it. It's the U.S. allowing its operation to help foment unrest. Surely you don't think something as expensive as launching 1000's of satellites into space is getting paid for by civilian users right? lol
Becuse it not your father property
@@dutchymon What does that mean... "over Iran" ???
This war is going create a lot of controversy. I just have a bad feeling that this war is going to turn into a lot bigger war that we don’t want to happen.
Kaabooommmm
Yeah, it's why we need to nip it together he bud now. Appeasing tyrants has shown time and time again to not work.
So the West should stop provocative behavior
@@VISCABARCAist ok russian bot
@@luderx I’m not even Russian
This is just the reality
his glasses lens look really thick
You cant shut down terminals WHY? Seems like is not Starlink?
Give Ukraine access to determine where terminals are allowed to be used in Ukraine.
Step 1 sell to both sides (claim you dont)
step 2: profit???
stralink is not ative is south afrika agoding to tne map but my friends have it and it works
Fact of the matter is trying to limit Russia isn't possible. Limiting it requires cooperation and economic hurdles that not even America is equipped to sort out. Even if it wanted to it would be against the will of the American people who are now far too tired of paying for wars that don't concern us.
Why don't they want Russia to have internet access? Because they won't pay the bill?
😂 in Russia we don't know what is internet
Well it does have star in the name.
"high speed"
Phone has location app and Facebook apps. They can see Russian or Ukrainian.
But my understanding is that both sides including Ukrainians are using this……. So what exactly is the issue. Both sides using his service. This makes it out too be a hit piece when both are using said tech.
Does elmo blocks russians starlinks, or he blocks only one that Ukraine uses?
I discontinue my Subscription with Starlink after learning about this. the dish sits idly on our roof.
that's so dumb.
@@Leaf8823What is so Dumb about it? NONSENSE!
If they close the Facebook account ,they can ask Facebook center Ukraine or Russian .
Musk already said NO!
Good for them 👍. Free for all. Not just beggars
Just stop allowing starlink in Ukraine. Problem solved.
How much encryption can a network handle which is using multiple hubnodes, moving at 16,000mph, 300 miles up? Every few dozen seconds you are doing a new handshake with a new satellite. Datarates would suffer, horrifically.
Similarly, if they are tracking metadata on users as a means to sort sheep from goats, imagine what that looks like as user access follows a sine curve roller coaster of rising users, losing users, and new users. Can you average for known/trusted users? Not based on time alone. Maybe time and GPS location. But that means you have an active PNT receiver on the uplink antenna which is going to be heavy, hackable (anything which puts hardware in the hands of a threat user is automatically vulnerable to a first-world industrial culture to run function diagrams and BIOS level interrupts on everything).
Since there is no ISP user profile as local-access to generate user location cells, it would be simple to generate the equivalent of a VPN that fooled the system by saying 'But I'm not behind the Russian lines, I'm coming to you from Ukraine!'
At which point you are no longer tracking the threat through metadata but looking at actual content. 'Wull shucks...they're speaking Rooshun.' Except that half the trained federal services used Russian before the war as it's like an upper class lingua-franca as opposed to Ukrainian or Surzhyk which are more hybrids spoken at the civilian levels. Can Russians speak Ukrainian? Yes. A fair number in fact and you could augment this by actually having a live Russian->Ukrainian translator program.
In the end, nobody should be using unsecured networks to pass tactically sensitive data. It will instantly devalidate surprise as opsec to the extent that you cannot even tell whether any 'leak' is real or incidental as so many share it.
This may be a large part of why Ukraine has been losing initiative so much.
IF YOU WANT SECURITY:
A. You and only you looking up at black Satellite X.
B. You and only you with that encryption should be monitored on a network of, at most, dozens, in an intermittent, prepacketed, data send usage windows. Burst sent and received. Not as a conversation, more like a letter drop.
C. Using that limited network user list going max-bandwidth to allow for high quality encryption at the digital level to be backed by tactical code sets at the user one to 'fill in the blank' of standardized format comms scripts which cycle, daily, using a combination of book code and S/T offsets to avoid patterning. Digital systems make this easy. Because a single, RNG, number can tell the other side which format to set the 'paragraphing' up with so that junk signal surrounds key information. And so that any substitution/transposition code groups are only valid for that terminal, at that time, on that coded numeric datafile. And that code will never mean the same thing again.
Because you have literal lists of thousands of such numbers issued at opstart. And each generates a different page format and S/T vocabulary which is not a function of a handshake exchange but is simply held, in a sealed memory, unaccessible, code-box which you plug into machine to generate the day-code. But which cannot be accessed from any part of the active network because when the day code is generated by the memory unit, it's pulled from the system. Physically.
This is the kind of hardware/software crypto setup that SOF use. And it is secure because it is active-network constrained and thus sample size monitoring restrictive, as a function of not being realtime.
Starlink is going to end up being as much a compromise as a capability which ends up being a complete wash as a function of 'live battlefield' responsiveness as giant BFT/EOB monitor, for both sides.
Its far, far simpler than that. To control access, Starlink would need an accurate realtime position of the lines. Ukraine and Russia dont have that. Furthermore, Ukraine would need an accurate realtime position for all their units and an accurate account of units they've lost control of. People seem to think this is all a videogame.
That would be like tank and weapons manufacturing being responsible for reclaiming them after they have been stolen. There's nothing they can do about it
This is not correct since a tank or weapon can't be remotely deactivated, nor geofenced either, Starlink can.
SpaceX knows when Starlink is being used by Russians, they just don't care.
I'm a engineer my self and can't understand why Elon is not disabling the dishes for Russian millitary. There are solutions for this.
If you're an engineer, then you know about the triangle and your comment was idiotic.
@@springbloom5940 You can attach metadata to each pocket of data, it will slow just a bit the internet but you can control who can use it.
if you an engineer you domt understanf about hollywood.
in hollywood aliens are using starlinkas
FF INCOMING
prob good idea build Faraday cage ...just saying
I looked on the map for "Rasha" but no country like that exists
keyword was OFICIALLY
Kihnzal is coming ...
That would make Starlink participant in the war and a legitimate target, probably explains the latest news related to Russia and weapons in Space
Things keep getting more interesting, 2024 might be most interesting year yet.
Its all just bs propaganda Russia have been able to shoot down satellites since 2021 whit systems like s500, this super super nuke space wepon is just media trying to spread fear for the agenda
Putin outsmarted ur pops elon musk 😂
So why would Ukraine want to cry foul when they have been using starlink themselves
How do we stop Ukraine from using star link?
So this is a complete non story meant to hurt Musk
To be fair, i think it was done pretty well. It probably could have been researched more, as some small (non significant) details were left out, but, it got the point across in a neutral way.
@@sebastianorye2702 Musk works hand in glove with the military through SpaceX, the chance they would let him help Russia is 0%. Anybody with a brain could come to that conclusion.
@@sebastianorye2702 Oh and SpaceX could use starlink to track Russian positions if they were using. Do you see how dumb this story is now?
Not really? Just because you get triggered at titles that you automatically assume are negative does not mean that is reality. The title of the video is 100% accurate, it in no way said it was Elon Musk's fault or said that he did anything wrong. It is entirely on you for assuming as such, and really points to your personality.
@@truedps8 try something other than an ad hominem attack to make your point, and read my other comments on this thread before you respond
Thumbs down on star link satelite...
Bottom line it's always about the money which on this planet and outer space appears to be the bottom line.
Incredible tech, Starlink's role is crucial in Ukraine 🌐
Nothing incredible about it. It was invented in 1980s. It's never caught on because it's slow. It's primarily used in emergencies where regular infrastructure is destroyed and by the military. No one else bothered to send as many satellites in space because they satellites don't have long lifespan and it's a massive money sink hole. StarLink operates at a large loss. Once satellites need repairs, I'm sure they'll abandon it. Since replacing will cost like 30+ billion and that is on the low end. Only the US military has the resources to maintain so many satellites hence why you get free GPS--thanks to the government. Business wise it's not a smart idea. StarLink is not even the first. There are other smaller companies who've been doing this for years but they don't cover as large of an area as StarLink because it's a waste of money.
@@manchuratt8900 No, Starlink is becoming a geyser of cash. It has been cashflow positive since 2022. Revenue is expected to be $10bn in 2024. An IPO is planned for the next two or three years. You're spouting pure misinformation. No, wait: _pure disinformation._
@@manchuratt8900I think I read the satellites only last five years and they just deorbit them. You're right, it's very expensive to maintain this kind of infrastructure.
@@manchuratt8900that's not true my friend. Low orbit satellites are new. Speeds circa 200 Mbps are new.
Ukrainians is blessed to have America 🇺🇸. From military supply to paying for their internet.
Yes! America is great at convincing others to sacrifice themself for a Big Mac Combo. And better still use Chinese money to pay for it.
Yes bankrupt average working Americans and fill the pockets of Lockhead Martin....Great idea
You have to tell Zelensky to sue for peace. Even if america was to somehow give Ukraine more money/weapons there aren’t enough people to fight.
Then approve the bills already!!!
Ukraine is on the back foot against them because setback of supply from U.S promises.
1982 Russia launched Glonass a world class satellite navigation system. Starlink, a good civilian system but not designed for warfare, but can be used if you don't have anything better.. Stop misleading people.
Their terminals are big k/ku band markers for guided weapons designed to lock onto the signals.
Two years in, nobody puts long range radio equipment in the middle of their staging ground. These terminals are usually being set up about half a mile away and signal gets to the camp by ethernet cable. So if the opposing side wants to blow up a 500$ terminal with an expensive guided missile - they are welcome
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I don't know if you people realize but the US is not at war with Russia. This complicates matters somewhat...
Both side shut down. So how Ukraine say see. 😃
If Starlink is used by russia, it maybe a good thing. Let them create dependency on the system and switch it all off at a critical time of choosing by the ukrainians.
😂
In other news, the UK almost nuked Florida. "Plop" they said 😂
Oh, you couldn’t tell that he was on Team Russia ?
Just share the (appr.) Locations of all starlink terminals within the Ukrainian borders to the Ukrainian military and the Russians wont be using them anymore
Ukraine wouldn't be using them anymore either, you know that would be leaked
Great idea and Ukraine will do better than it is already doing!
They already do block some regions. I recall Elon said they blocked some geo locations where Ukrainian's were using it for drones. StarLink already operates a big loss, I guess they don't want to lose more customers.
@@pcebroPretty hard to do any worse when they are sending senior citizens to the front lines and are losing ground every day but ok
@@pyromcrThose old folks are racking up a lot of kills.
2:20 Starlink operates in Iran? Really?
It's a shame how this channel praises Ukraine for using starlink and then condemns Russia for using it
Capitalists will sell to both sides. When there's a gold rush on, its a good time to be in the pick and shovel business.
Then OUTLAW them for selling to both sides. IMPRISON Musk for TREASON.