Thanks for that review. I just ordered that very machine with full kit from Sigma directly and it was $1811.00. It hurt to buy it at that price but buying a fake 1 oz gold coin for around $2000.00 would hurt more and now I can test EVERYTHING here on out. confidence costs money ... but it's worth it.
I purchased the full package with all the wand. THANK YOU for making this post! The videos Sigma have on this unit aren't a big help on learning how to use the Pro Mini. I've bookmarked this! Thank you @Silver Seeker
Agree with you, I learned something new from SS, especially the dimension part. Not something I typically use, as I only verify if it's the real McCoy or not.
Wow, I can't believe how much the prices of Sigmas have gone up. I bought a PMV Pro bundle with the small and refiner's wands in September 2019 for $1,415, and now the same bundle is $2,349. That was from an authorized dealer.
I bought the Sigma Metalytics Pro Mini last week. I used it to test all my gold bullion (5gr Engelhard, 50s Perth Mint, 100s Perth Mint and Munze Osterreich and one 250 gram Valcambi I have) all legit! Better be since I bought some of the bullion from APMEX when gold was at $1200-$1250 per t oz some 5 years ago or so. Wish I've bought more back then. But that was a lot of money for me back then and who knew?
Okay, that mini is a convenient size, but I paid that amount for the full size Sigma Pro with two wands! I really like that you can test smaller slabbed coins in the mini, the slabs don’t fit under the sensor for small gold on the full size unit.
If you get a large wand make sure to reach out to sigma directly, each one of the wands is calibrated to the specific model and mixing them up can mess with the readings
Yeah 08-2023, I had the original one since maybe 2016? With all 3 wands and it was $750. The PRO is sweet and maybe worth it, IF it saves you from a fake, but still HIGH IMO.
I enjoy your videos. As.a viewer i can tell you put alot of hard work into your videos. I also find it funny how many other youtubes copy your content a few days after you post yours. I just watch different UA-cam silver video about this tester. And had to come back and watch yours because I felt he did horrible job explaining these testers. I stopped half way through his to re watch yours. He didn't do any calibrations. He tested .999 silver and it was showing up in the yellow and he said all .999 would show up I n yellow. I went back and watched yours and one ozt buffalo and kilo in this video both where .999 and it read it properly. So thank you for putting out great content. You are the best precious metal youtuber, I've come across.
@@thorlin3826 I bought one with 3 wands. No sales tax since it was an online out of state purchase. With my cc I get a 1% back on this purchase. AWESOME machine, the Pro Mini. Highly recommend it!
Very interesting tool my question is will the wand test and verify gold nuggets 1 gram and larger for those that buy and sell raw gold. Thanks for sharing see you on the next one👍🏻👊🏻
I was told that is you either want to add a wand or replace one you have, you need to send your unit to Sigma so they can calibrate the wand to it. You can't just buy one and plug it in, it would not work.
Curious. That armature looks kinda fragile. Is there a cover for it or something to protect it in transport? Also, why do the second size test if it's displaying the diameter on the screen during the test? Great vid.
I would not want to use my phone / iPad in order for this to work. I think for a device this expensive, you shouldn't need another device to make it work IMHO. However, with that said, it is a great verifier for sure. Much better at analyzing than the Sigma verifier I have. It also would provide great portability where it would be useful for a dealer to take to a coin show, for example. Thanks SS!
They sell a $75 tablet that it works fine with you definitely don't need a super expensive device. The tablet I was using has a screen protector so it didn't bother me :)
Question at the end you kept saying it was a 1 gram GOLD bar, you said it multiple times, but yet it looked silver and you put silver as the material you were testing. Was this gold or silver?
Dear Silver Seeker.... I'd be curious if you could do an episode asking coin shops what price they buy back libertads (BU) compared to Eagles. It would even be better if you could ask the primary dealers such as Apmex, JMBullion, Hero Bullion, Provident Metals and Kitco. I'm curious to know if the bullion dealers would pay a higher price for the Libertads vs the Eagles. If you already know the answer I'd be interested in knowing it.
I wished that you tested more 90% junk on the Mini Pro, mainly Mercury Dimes, not Roosevelt Dimes (so far all good). I get readings in the red and occasionally off the right red scale. When I talked to coin shops, they do not think its accurate reading (we dont in front of them and my coins) and said that they will buy them from me wholesale!. They said they do not check and of their 90% dimes as it not worth it.
Nice review. Like you said wish it was cheaper but in time I'm sure prices will drop. Noticed it had trouble with the 1 gram but how well does it work on smaller silver coins like quarters, dimes, half dimes, war nickles or silver 3 cents?
I got a glass screen protector for my pro mini so you don't scratch your pad because it will mess your tablet up over time trust me by a $40 glass screen protector even if you can't find that tablets specifically just get one that covers most of the left side top to bottom or I've seen zip lock plastic wrap works well too just a FYI watching you put all that stuff right on your screen ouch 😉
Cool video, this is the first I have seen these Mini models. Have you tried testing conductivity or resistivity of fake coins or bars with real gold or silver plating? Bad fakes would obviously fail the dimensions test but I wonder if they would still pass the electrical tests.
Great video @Silver Seeker! Just wondering…. Do you know if this works with an Apple iOS iPad Pro? Also, hope you’re feeling better. Get some Ivermectin if you can! It will fix you up fast.
@@coloradokid8321 If you plan on getting one let me know. The company I bought it from contacted me after seeing the video and is going to set me up with a discount code soon.
The Kilo? No the size was fine... when you adjust the width it shrinks the length of the template. There's no way for the machine to know the exact shape, so if it was a square for example as I increase the width the height would shrink into a square.
@@SilverSeeker It might not be reading/ giving correct thickness because of the lip edge? also? Its a very nice tool to have. Id definitely get one if I dealt in precious metals.
@@chadbrookman6263 That's what the green bar is for... line to line would be perfect but so long as it's in the green on one side while touching the line on the other then it's good. You're right though in thinking that it's not going to be accurate enough to determine the difference between .999 and say .990 but generally that's not an issue. Most fake are way less pure and/or plated or filled etc.
Love the sigma, but they are so expensive, which means the poor beginner stackers cannot come close in affording them, I really want the pro mini, bc it’d be nice to connect a tablet and best part is that it can check sizes… if these became more affordable than almost everyone can have them, bc think about how many fakes are out there these sigmas would help… PMV please somehow find a way to make an super affordable model thanks
Given the smaller penetration on the Mini, if you're buying 100ozt and kilo bars fairly regularly would you recommend this or just go with the Pro and the Bridge add-on unit?
the onboard sensor can cut through a depth of 10mm or 1cm, which is around the thickness of my Heraeus 1kilo bar. So best is to check your bars' thickness before considering the bridge (additional cost).
OBSCENE price gouging! They just figure if someone is buying precious metal they can pay out the nose. The specific density test with a scale and beaker of water is a better value, used in conjunction with a couple other no cost test to get the item in a cross fire.
While I agree with you on it being too high for most stackers... I disagree with specific gravity being a good replacement. It's a great test, but it's slow, messy and obnoxious lol.
I'll be doing a review of the regular one soon (I was contacted by a distributor after I launched this video). But the pro's (both mini and original pro) have the ability to read all the way through the sample.
@@SilverSeeker Pls let me know if you can fully charge up. I spoke with the Sigma rep about 5-6 months ago and he said they would patch it via an update. Have not noticed any changes yet, even though a recent update was available a couple of months ago. I hope I don't have a faulty battery?!?
Everyone cross your fingers "they'll" hear our need for money and print up more "stimulate-us" cash so we can buy one and even more silver/gold! This portable machine opens the door to buying pm's from anyone, anywhere, anytime
@@BopWalk It's not too strange... Silver and Copper are VERY similar as for as conductivity and diamagnetic resistance are concerned. They have much different density levels, that's why you also need to measure the diameter etc and not just rely on one test.
@@SilverSeeker Right! Makes sense, just like how a magnet will react to copper the same way it will with silver. Thanks for the info, the Pro Mini looks like a great tool and the one I will ultimately be going with down the road!
I would rather have a relationship with my lcs that I do , and use his for free . That should be 399 max , considering your tablet is doing all the info part of the test .
9:39 "We don't even need the PMV pro to know these are fake". This sort of underscores my sentiment on these pricey testing machines. While useful and maybe reassuring to those who may want the extra peace of mind, they're fine. But they're truly not necessary. I had a SIgma on loan for several days and put it up against my Pocket Pinger/Stack Stick, Free Metal Tester APP on my iPhone, and personal observation and experience and I was able to equally identify real and fakes as well as the Sigma PMV without spending a grand or more. And who wouldn't rather have an extra grand or more to buy coins instead of a testing machine??? Don't get me wrong, if this gives anyone extra peace of mind, or you like to have all that extra data on the coin (thickness, etc..) have at it...
For 1oz rnds and coins I agree 100%. Where the PMV Pro really shines for me is things like bigger bars etc. The fact that the pro reads all the way through the Silver is a big deal, and I've shown in other videos that the read through feature does in fact work. But I disgress, you are right it isn't needed for rounds, Eagles, coins etc.
@@SilverSeeker Good point, seeker, and I should qualify my reply that I don't buy bars or custom melt pour rounds/bars. My purchases are strictly kept to 1oz rounds, SIlver Dollars, Silver Halves and SIlver Quarters. Helpful info in the video!
I still would not trust it , its a computer and connects to wifi. it can say whatever the programmer's wants it to say. Great way to sell a whole lot of fools gold and have a machine and only 1 person take the blame.
It doesn't connect to wifi, it creates it's own wifi signal for you to connect to locally... you don't have internet on the tablet at all when it's connected to the device. All my tests with real gold and silver passed and all my fake ones failed.
@@KennyG233 that's not how it works. It's testing metal composition it's not taking pictures of it and comparing. Besides... to what end? Easily discovered and ruins the entire company when it is.
Thanks for that review. I just ordered that very machine with full kit from Sigma directly and it was $1811.00. It hurt to buy it at that price but buying a fake 1 oz gold coin for around $2000.00 would hurt more and now I can test EVERYTHING here on out. confidence costs money ... but it's worth it.
Awesome purchase. That is an amazing tool. Wish there was a way to rent one for a few days. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
I purchased the full package with all the wand. THANK YOU for making this post! The videos Sigma have on this unit aren't a big help on learning how to use the Pro Mini. I've bookmarked this! Thank you @Silver Seeker
I'm glad you like it! Yea I'd like to get the other two wands for sure... this was a very big purchase for not being bullion.
Agree with you, I learned something new from SS, especially the dimension part. Not something I typically use, as I only verify if it's the real McCoy or not.
WOW.. that's a great Christmas present..
Wow, I can't believe how much the prices of Sigmas have gone up. I bought a PMV Pro bundle with the small and refiner's wands in September 2019 for $1,415, and now the same bundle is $2,349. That was from an authorized dealer.
wow, crazy. i was looking to buy one and will set ebay filters with notifications. this 3% inflation does wonders huh
Thank you for the great review. Ive been conisdering buying one of these.
congrats on your new purchase great video with a lot of info and i thank you for the member shout out that was cool
Great video thanks for sharing Hope you are feeling better
Hope you and your son are feeling better, Seeker. Great video
I bought the Sigma Metalytics Pro Mini last week. I used it to test all my gold bullion (5gr Engelhard, 50s Perth Mint, 100s Perth Mint and Munze Osterreich and one 250 gram Valcambi I have) all legit! Better be since I bought some of the bullion from APMEX when gold was at $1200-$1250 per t oz some 5 years ago or so. Wish I've bought more back then. But that was a lot of money for me back then and who knew?
Great info Seeker! Love to have one but out of my price line.
Thanks for taking one for the team and buying this device, and showing it off. Good to see product in action.
Okay, that mini is a convenient size, but I paid that amount for the full size Sigma Pro with two wands! I really like that you can test smaller slabbed coins in the mini, the slabs don’t fit under the sensor for small gold on the full size unit.
Interesting review 👍
Wish I could afford one.
They could make it out of good plastic , like a police radio or a vintage Nintendo plastic
Super cool review, thanks! I just cant pull the trigger on this yet, but someday down the road maybe.
Hope all is well with you and your family!! Watching 👀
Glad you are making this review. That is the model I want to buy
I need one of the PMV PRO MINI
Man I really enjoy these test you’re doing.
❤️👊🏽
If you get a large wand make sure to reach out to sigma directly, each one of the wands is calibrated to the specific model and mixing them up can mess with the readings
Yeah 08-2023, I had the original one since maybe 2016? With all 3 wands and it was $750. The PRO is sweet and maybe worth it, IF it saves you from a fake, but still HIGH IMO.
I enjoy your videos. As.a viewer i can tell you put alot of hard work into your videos. I also find it funny how many other youtubes copy your content a few days after you post yours. I just watch different UA-cam silver video about this tester. And had to come back and watch yours because I felt he did horrible job explaining these testers. I stopped half way through his to re watch yours. He didn't do any calibrations. He tested .999 silver and it was showing up in the yellow and he said all .999 would show up I n yellow. I went back and watched yours and one ozt buffalo and kilo in this video both where .999 and it read it properly. So thank you for putting out great content. You are the best precious metal youtuber, I've come across.
Ever thought of testing goldbacks on that?
Dang, SS. That is pretty sweet. I hope you got a great warranty with that $1,400 piece of equipment? Great video and information.
You can be darn sure I'll be treating that thing with all the care in the world lol!
You buy that on a credit card that gives an automatic 1 year warranty extension.
@@thorlin3826 I bought one with 3 wands. No sales tax since it was an online out of state purchase. With my cc I get a 1% back on this purchase. AWESOME machine, the Pro Mini. Highly recommend it!
actually a small price to pay to avoid buying fakes !
I got lucky last year and got my Sigma SM1501 new with wands for only $700.
Me too...that's exactly what I paid for it with the 3 wands.
great video seeker
Very interesting tool my question is will the wand test and verify gold nuggets 1 gram and larger for those that buy and sell raw gold. Thanks for sharing see you on the next one👍🏻👊🏻
I was told that is you either want to add a wand or replace one you have, you need to send your unit to Sigma so they can calibrate the wand to it. You can't just buy one and plug it in, it would not work.
Really? I didn't know that. That sucks
@@SilverSeeker Agreed!
Curious. That armature looks kinda fragile. Is there a cover for it or something to protect it in transport? Also, why do the second size test if it's displaying the diameter on the screen during the test? Great vid.
Nice demonstration! I heard Wands are not interchangeable as they are specific to unit from the factory.
Yea I learned that later :)
Great idea thanks! However, can you use this device to determine purity/karat of larger jewellery, belt buckles, etc?
I would not want to use my phone / iPad in order for this to work. I think for a device this expensive, you shouldn't need another device to make it work IMHO. However, with that said, it is a great verifier for sure. Much better at analyzing than the Sigma verifier I have. It also would provide great portability where it would be useful for a dealer to take to a coin show, for example. Thanks SS!
They sell a $75 tablet that it works fine with you definitely don't need a super expensive device. The tablet I was using has a screen protector so it didn't bother me :)
Question at the end you kept saying it was a 1 gram GOLD bar, you said it multiple times, but yet it looked silver and you put silver as the material you were testing. Was this gold or silver?
I think I'll buy more to add to my stack. $1400 can buy a lot of silver.
thanks for the video man!
I would buy this if everything came with it!!!
awesome, well done vid. Would you still recommend this model today for an everyday stacker?
I'd like one myself, but couldn't justify the price. 👍
you must be a zillionaire !! so many top quality coins
you are the king !!
Not even close LOL! This is my investment, no different really than those that invest in stocks and/or their 401k
@@SilverSeeker thanks for the reply ! we are loving you over here in the Nethelands....keep up the excellent job !!
Dear Silver Seeker.... I'd be curious if you could do an episode asking coin shops what price they buy back libertads (BU) compared to Eagles. It would even be better if you could ask the primary dealers such as Apmex, JMBullion, Hero Bullion, Provident Metals and Kitco.
I'm curious to know if the bullion dealers would pay a higher price for the Libertads vs the Eagles.
If you already know the answer I'd be interested in knowing it.
I wished that you tested more 90% junk on the Mini Pro, mainly Mercury Dimes, not Roosevelt Dimes (so far all good). I get readings in the red and occasionally off the right red scale. When I talked to coin shops, they do not think its accurate reading (we dont in front of them and my coins) and said that they will buy them from me wholesale!. They said they do not check and of their 90% dimes as it not worth it.
For small stuff like dimes it's best to use the small wand. Trying to do itbwith the push down level is iffy cause of the size
Have you tested any of the 2021 Peace or Morgan dollars? I'm curious.
I'll stick with my pocket pinger. I'm not concerned with slabs bought from legitimate sources. very cool 😎
They upped the prices just recently
Nice review. Like you said wish it was cheaper but in time I'm sure prices will drop. Noticed it had trouble with the 1 gram but how well does it work on smaller silver coins like quarters, dimes, half dimes, war nickles or silver 3 cents?
I got a glass screen protector for my pro mini so you don't scratch your pad because it will mess your tablet up over time trust me by a $40 glass screen protector even if you can't find that tablets specifically just get one that covers most of the left side top to bottom or I've seen zip lock plastic wrap works well too just a FYI watching you put all that stuff right on your screen ouch 😉
No I didn't my tablet has a screen protector on it.
Great Video!
This was a great video
Cool video, this is the first I have seen these Mini models. Have you tried testing conductivity or resistivity of fake coins or bars with real gold or silver plating? Bad fakes would obviously fail the dimensions test but I wonder if they would still pass the electrical tests.
Check out today's video I tested its ability to read thru the metal. :)
@@SilverSeeker Thanks, I'll check it out!
Great video @Silver Seeker! Just wondering…. Do you know if this works with an Apple iOS iPad Pro?
Also, hope you’re feeling better. Get some Ivermectin if you can! It will fix you up fast.
Yes there is an iPad app
@@SilverSeeker - Great. Thanks Silver Seeker!
@@coloradokid8321 If you plan on getting one let me know. The company I bought it from contacted me after seeing the video and is going to set me up with a discount code soon.
@@SilverSeeker - Sure I will let you know if I decide to get one. Thanks! That’s great that they are setting you up with a discount code!
do you know if it works with an iPad ?
Yo,,,seeker u makein me lmfao love you man it feels different lololol, when you buy something else,,,thanks again 🤣 😅 😂 🤪
The bar was bigger then the machine put out, that means the bar has a less percentage then the .999 said then, No?
The Kilo? No the size was fine... when you adjust the width it shrinks the length of the template. There's no way for the machine to know the exact shape, so if it was a square for example as I increase the width the height would shrink into a square.
@@SilverSeeker It might not be reading/ giving correct thickness because of the lip edge? also? Its a very nice tool to have. Id definitely get one if I dealt in precious metals.
@@chadbrookman6263 That's what the green bar is for... line to line would be perfect but so long as it's in the green on one side while touching the line on the other then it's good.
You're right though in thinking that it's not going to be accurate enough to determine the difference between .999 and say .990 but generally that's not an issue. Most fake are way less pure and/or plated or filled etc.
Verifier cost how much per ounce?
I guess it was worth it because two years later it’s $1700
Love the sigma, but they are so expensive, which means the poor beginner stackers cannot come close in affording them, I really want the pro mini, bc it’d be nice to connect a tablet and best part is that it can check sizes… if these became more affordable than almost everyone can have them, bc think about how many fakes are out there these sigmas would help… PMV please somehow find a way to make an super affordable model thanks
Given the smaller penetration on the Mini, if you're buying 100ozt and kilo bars fairly regularly would you recommend this or just go with the Pro and the Bridge add-on unit?
Pro with Bridge for sure if you're buying alot of big bars.
the onboard sensor can cut through a depth of 10mm or 1cm, which is around the thickness of my Heraeus 1kilo bar. So best is to check your bars' thickness before considering the bridge (additional cost).
Cool beans!!
Cheers
Hopefully sigma is watching this video and decided to lower their price so that I can afford one
It’s all driven by supply and demand, as well as how much competition they have
Is this a give away for your channel. 😆😆😆😆😆
OBSCENE price gouging! They just figure if someone is buying precious metal they can pay out the nose. The specific density test with a scale and beaker of water is a better value, used in conjunction with a couple other no cost test to get the item in a cross fire.
While I agree with you on it being too high for most stackers... I disagree with specific gravity being a good replacement. It's a great test, but it's slow, messy and obnoxious lol.
What’s the draw towards the mini vs the regular one?
I'll be doing a review of the regular one soon (I was contacted by a distributor after I launched this video). But the pro's (both mini and original pro) have the ability to read all the way through the sample.
@@SilverSeeker ok cool. I look forward to watching it. Thanks
Were you able to fully charge your Pro Mini to 100% battery strength? The highest I can go is around two thirds full. 😔
I honestly haven't tried but I will now! :)
@@SilverSeeker Pls let me know if you can fully charge up. I spoke with the Sigma rep about 5-6 months ago and he said they would patch it via an update. Have not noticed any changes yet, even though a recent update was available a couple of months ago. I hope I don't have a faulty battery?!?
Does this also test Palladium?
I haven't tried it yet but Palladium is selectable on the metal types.
Everyone cross your fingers "they'll" hear our need for money and print up more "stimulate-us" cash so we can buy one and even more silver/gold! This portable machine opens the door to buying pm's from anyone, anywhere, anytime
Yellow section just means under .9999 silver which is usually .999 silver. Completely normal reading.
That's not entirely accurate. 1oz Copper Rounds land in the yellow
@@SilverSeeker
Even when testing for silver? That's strange.
@@BopWalk It's not too strange... Silver and Copper are VERY similar as for as conductivity and diamagnetic resistance are concerned. They have much different density levels, that's why you also need to measure the diameter etc and not just rely on one test.
@@SilverSeeker
Right! Makes sense, just like how a magnet will react to copper the same way it will with silver.
Thanks for the info, the Pro Mini looks like a great tool and the one I will ultimately be going with down the road!
I would rather have a relationship with my lcs that I do , and use his for free . That should be 399 max , considering your tablet is doing all the info part of the test .
Of course sigma can make a cheaper version… pretty much a yes or no like a pregnancy test without any bells and whistles
For that price they deserve to get knocked off clones
I think they hold a patent that would prevent clones but I could be wrong there. Heard it from someone else
9:39 "We don't even need the PMV pro to know these are fake". This sort of underscores my sentiment on these pricey testing machines. While useful and maybe reassuring to those who may want the extra peace of mind, they're fine. But they're truly not necessary. I had a SIgma on loan for several days and put it up against my Pocket Pinger/Stack Stick, Free Metal Tester APP on my iPhone, and personal observation and experience and I was able to equally identify real and fakes as well as the Sigma PMV without spending a grand or more. And who wouldn't rather have an extra grand or more to buy coins instead of a testing machine??? Don't get me wrong, if this gives anyone extra peace of mind, or you like to have all that extra data on the coin (thickness, etc..) have at it...
For 1oz rnds and coins I agree 100%. Where the PMV Pro really shines for me is things like bigger bars etc. The fact that the pro reads all the way through the Silver is a big deal, and I've shown in other videos that the read through feature does in fact work. But I disgress, you are right it isn't needed for rounds, Eagles, coins etc.
@@SilverSeeker Good point, seeker, and I should qualify my reply that I don't buy bars or custom melt pour rounds/bars. My purchases are strictly kept to 1oz rounds, SIlver Dollars, Silver Halves and SIlver Quarters. Helpful info in the video!
I just bring my larger bars to a bullion shop that uses PMV for $2-$5 fee. Cheaper than buying the whole unit.
quality plastic ha ha
I still would not trust it , its a computer and connects to wifi. it can say whatever the programmer's wants it to say. Great way to sell a whole lot of fools gold and have a machine and only 1 person take the blame.
It doesn't connect to wifi, it creates it's own wifi signal for you to connect to locally... you don't have internet on the tablet at all when it's connected to the device. All my tests with real gold and silver passed and all my fake ones failed.
@@SilverSeeker Can be programed to pass some and fail others
@@KennyG233 that's not how it works. It's testing metal composition it's not taking pictures of it and comparing. Besides... to what end? Easily discovered and ruins the entire company when it is.
Well, put out a video where you prove the machine is BS
First!