I bought the PMV Pro with the bridge so I can measure completely through 100 oz bars. I also stamp the bar with test and date. (ex. SIGMA OK 5 16 24 or XRF OK 5 16 24)
Great video. Made me have to have one...even though I dont own anything that would warrant me having it due to that boating accident. I am a tool guy and this is a great tool.
Your generosity is MUCH Appreciated - I have wanted a Sigma since I heard of them! - With the Discount(s), maybe I can finally get me one! - TY, Bud, and keep up on the Vids!
I am fascinated on all of the technology coming out. Although, I would also like to see 40% jfk half and Sterling jewelry chains and rings. I would think a practical test with different karat gold jewelry would also be cool to see, maybe the wand would work with odd shaped jewelry.
The excellent tester I got to get my hands on at the least the pinger, & the smaller of the two the Sigmar pro mini, pls pass on the Information as to how to obtain etc., many thanks as Its always In the back of my mind.
Oh, I must have misheard what you said last week. I thought I won it............LMAO I want one!!!! But can't right now, a wee bit above my pay grade...lol Insane information. Kudos sir!
I use to have the PMV Pro but decided to sell it because I wasn't using it much. Well, then I was missing it. When they came out with the PMV Pro Mini, I jumped on it . I'm liking the Mini especially since I can capture the reading on my PC, make annotations and save in my archive. Now, watching you use the PMV Pro, I'm missing it again. Ugh ... what to do ...
@@savagestacker wadup brotha! Got a new stacker for you to check out when you got some down time to check out the latest low quality content video i put out. You two dudes are in the same profession.
Have you ever had a false negative? I have a 1881 Morgan CC that looks legit with the magnet, weight, and ping tests. Experts have even looked at it and said it's legit. But on the original sigma, with it set to pre 1900 90% silver, it's one block inside the brackets on one side, but one side outside the brackets on the other side. Ever seen anything like that?
It was a barely pass if you noticed all the silver was dead center. There's no way copper can pass the sensor + specific gravity at the same time. That's why I said not to rely on just one method. :)
I have a gold 1/4 oz Libertad that doesn't pass using The Sigma OG using the wand. It's not my machine because I've tested hundreds of coins and triple checked them on different days and they've all passed. I'm hoping to get it tested by a XRP machine so I can see why it's not coming up as .999 pure fine gold. I've done some research and a few articles say the it could be because they're contaminated by other metals and not pure. It can still be gold though. Play it safe and buy a machine so you can have peace of mind. Luckily my seller has guaranteed a refund.
Great product great review. Now if I can get myself to actually pull the trigger on one it would be great . But I always end up thinking 🤔 mmm I’m just going to buy a 1/2 oz of gold instead . Lol 😂 👍🏻
@@TobaccoRowe1960 And give the app owner an inventory of what you're testing, as well as access to your location, photos, microphone, and other data from your phone. Phones are for talking to people outside of sound wave reception range.
Just put in my order for the mini. Thank you for doing this for everyone. The promo code did push me in to getting one. 👍🏼 Update: I ordered the wrong item. Thought it was the Mini but it was the pad for the mini. He kept $2.51 of my refund.
It won't. In the video I pointed out that the original is only reading a little into the surface and not all the way through. The Pro has the pass through tech.
@@DPhasely magnet slide isn't a good test imo. Copper is also diamagnetic so it can definitely fool you. I'd check out my review for the pocket pinger it shows how to do sound resonance testing
Can you test other coins, like foreign junk silver? I’m overseas and have been picking up some junk silver here of various ASW. It’s interesting what you can find abroad, but at time I’m skeptical about things I’m unfamiliar with which dives me to do some research, and I was curious if this machine could test foreign junk silver with various ASW and not just 90% silver
@@SilverSeeker or any advice for stacking non-mainstream silver, ie: foreign junk silver. I’m always surprised at what I find out here. I’m considering starting a world coin collection of just junk silver. The few bullion coins I’ve seen out here have such high premiums on them that they are not even an option for me to buy ($100+ for random year ASEs…) in Eastern Europe
The Lenovo Tablet is something we offer in conjunction with the Pro Mini, if you don’t already have a smart device to connect to it. It’s not needed on the full size pro or original.
So, I have had some silver rounds and bars that I see are being faked from China.. (NWTM Stagecoach )that I bought direct from the mint.. 12 years ago... But if I decide to sell them. Especially online, the regular PMV is all i need correct..? I see some are testing on video as they fill an order to prove they are sending a good product.. Or is there a better way to not have the buyer make false claims you ripped him off.?? Thanks
At 7:31 in the video, What would have happened if you tested the copper coin as a .900 silver coin? Would it have given a reading closer to the center?
Oops ignore previous reply I misread your comment. The pro mini can fit a bit more but not much. The big bridge attachment for the Pro will fit 100oz bars.
Yes, and I even said that in the video. Pinger however does secure the coin better... I can't tell you how many times I dropped a silver eagle that I was balancing on my finger. The pinger holds it much more securely. The Phone Apps are very cheap and some have free features... finger or pinger regardless.
If all committed bullion buyers got serious about assaying all their purchases, all dealers would have to properly review their buy-backs and the community would get rid of most of the issue of fakes. Maybe then instead of producing fakes, the fakers would move into the production of much cheaper bullion testing devices given market demand.
Right about 14:00 you said, "Now we can't, obviously, test silver eagles on this." What does that mean? I'd say it's not obvious at all why you wouldn't be able to test silver eagles and not obvious why I would want a tester that wouldn't test silver eagles. You've tested some of the fakes so quickly and inconsistently from the tests you said were obvious passes that you've made me far less likely to buy one. I have already asked my dealer to get one of the pros for me but you've just about convinced me to cancel. For instance, more than once, you said some coin or another passed some test so it's obviously good and no need to test further. On the other hand, and in other places, you said always run every test and, yet in some cases, you accept or reject based on a single test. Additionally, other UA-camrs I have watched on these testers, or other testing methods, don't suggest making any final decisions based on these testers but, instead, follow up with additional testing. I wouldn't want to keep something that was fake or to mistakenly toss something that was precious. For instance, in one case you show a fake coin that has the rating cursor just outside of the brackets on the original and you said, it's obviously fake because the cursor is outside the brackets so toss it. Then, in another case, you show a good coin that is just into the yellow on the pro and said that it's clearly good even though it's outside of the green so keep it. I've seen videos where valuable silver didn't, at least according to the Sigma tester, live up to the advertised promise of purity but were still legit and valuable, such as perhaps 80% silver instead of 90% so the indicator is out of range. If you get a coin just out of range (and totally off screen might still be less than a few percentage points of purity as indicated by the testing results of Sterling silver versus pure silver) then further data is needed to determine just how much precious metal, if any, is actually in the coin. That data might come from other tests you indicate, such as size, volume, density, or ping tests, or beyond. You can be sure I'm doing a drill test or a chemical test, or something that gives an absolute answer before tossing a $2500 gold coin that might show up bad on the Sigma. I'd love to see you do another video, testing each coin, good and bad, thoroughly and consistently, perhaps forming some opinions or recognizing potential risks before all the testing is done but not making any judgments of good or bad until all of the data is in, then showing the data and then making your personal assessment based on that data. That would be very useful to people like me considering the Sigma testers and even to your partner, Sigma, as a more proper set of testing, results, and data driven decision making, would let people make better decisions on the purchase of the Sigma tester. I can except limitations on the reliability and accuracy of a tester and process as long as I know exactly what those limitations are. But, as for now, your video, because of the inconsistent testing and inconsistent application of the data, does more to raise questions about the reliability of the Sigma testers and the process for using them than it does to answer questions.
at 14:00 I meant to say Gold Eagles and what I meant was that it was set to PURE Gold, so testing Gold Eagles on that settings would say they're fake because Gold Eagles aren't pure Gold. Good catch on me mis-speaking though. I've done videos since then using the Sigma, but I'll just say that if the coins test correctly on both the sensor AND dimensions it's always been right for me. I've never had a fake coin that could pass both the sensor AND the dimensions test at the same time. I'm not saying they don't exist, but it's never happened to me.
Oh, and I watched at 14:00 with the corrected context and now it makes sense. It's not that you can't test on the tester, you meant Gold Eagles and that setting. Thanks, again, for the clarification.
In doing more research, I found this that appears to backup with data the idea that the pro version, along with weight and size measures, might be completely reliable. It's a 5 year-old video about a beta model of the product so I'm still researching. Apparently there are copper alloys (I'm sure you and most of your viewers know this) that very closely match gold for conductivity and fool the best of testers, including XRF testers. The pro version, according to this video, when coupled also with density testing (size and weight), catches these fakes. I hope that is backed up with further reading I'll do. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/E0De1GtrW2I/v-deo.html One funny thing I read was someone trusting a tester because it catches all the easy fakes. It seems that there is no such thing as a difficult fake today, with the full weight of some communist governments and very cheap labor in those countries behind the effort to make simple fake methods that weren't practical just a few years ago. Maybe I should just go for minimum premium in all PM purchases and plan on destructive testing but it's hard to get a refund on a bar with a drill hole in it.
Pretty obvious that Silver Seeker is having a moment with these toys!🤣🤣 Nice video Seeker!
It would be interesting to see a test with some 40% silver coins.
Awesome Sauce...You are super generous, thanks for the review video.
I bought the PMV Pro with the bridge so I can measure completely through 100 oz bars. I also stamp the bar with test and date. (ex. SIGMA OK 5 16 24 or XRF OK 5 16 24)
Thanks for the link to AG!! I spoke with Alex over there and he was very helpful! Waiting for my PMV Mini now :)
Woohoo!!!! Thank You So Much!
Love these review videos and very kind of you to give up your part of the deal
I just bought the updated "investor" with 3 wands.
Cant wait to receive it
Great video. Made me have to have one...even though I dont own anything that would warrant me having it due to that boating accident. I am a tool guy and this is a great tool.
Awesome demonstration and review. Thanks for sharing!!
You should test out the Gold Screen Sensor.
Your generosity is MUCH Appreciated - I have wanted a Sigma since I heard of them! - With the Discount(s), maybe I can finally get me one! - TY, Bud, and keep up on the Vids!
Hi silver seeker, would it be possible to make a video on how basic PMV on fake coin sandwich between two real gold? That will make a nice video.
Mine gets here tomorrow! I'm stoked to verify my stack!
I am fascinated on all of the technology coming out. Although, I would also like to see 40% jfk half and Sterling jewelry chains and rings. I would think a practical test with different karat gold jewelry would also be cool to see, maybe the wand would work with odd shaped jewelry.
first video. now a subscriber. fantastic content, answered every question I had
Tremendous kit! I should probably up my game!
The excellent tester I got to get my hands on at the least the pinger, & the smaller of the two the Sigmar pro mini, pls pass on the Information as to how to obtain etc., many thanks as Its always In the back of my mind.
Hello your video was extremely helpful thank you so much
Doing great work. Everyone should have one of these. I eventually will save up enough to buy one.
6:05 those two settings are slightly different as the 91.7% 22K setting assumes 8.3% Cu while the AGE setting assumes 3% Ag and 5.3% Cu
Fair enough thanks!
Oh, I must have misheard what you said last week. I thought I won it............LMAO
I want one!!!! But can't right now, a wee bit above my pay grade...lol Insane information. Kudos sir!
Truly great video and great offer seeker keep up the amazing work
We bought one last year. Great investment!
Outstanding and Informative video!!! Thanks for the info and the help!!! Keep it up!
I literally bought the original one like 2 weeks ago.... I should of waited..... lol
Really nice! Thanks for the demos!
I use to have the PMV Pro but decided to sell it because I wasn't using it much. Well, then I was missing it.
When they came out with the PMV Pro Mini, I jumped on it . I'm liking the Mini especially since I can capture the reading on my PC, make annotations and save in my archive.
Now, watching you use the PMV Pro, I'm missing it again. Ugh ... what to do ...
You know what to do, don't you.
@@allancolegrove7003 Sadly and excitedly, yes.
We all gotta do our part to identify the fakes to keep em outtie
Hey brother hope all is well
@@savagestacker wadup brotha! Got a new stacker for you to check out when you got some down time to check out the latest low quality content video i put out. You two dudes are in the same profession.
Those look fun. Might have to ask Santa for one. lol
Have you ever had a false negative? I have a 1881 Morgan CC that looks legit with the magnet, weight, and ping tests. Experts have even looked at it and said it's legit. But on the original sigma, with it set to pre 1900 90% silver, it's one block inside the brackets on one side, but one side outside the brackets on the other side. Ever seen anything like that?
Another awesome video
Why did u not check more 90% silver dollars??
Great demo of these units!
Whoa that was scary when it showed pass for copper while on .999 silver setting. Idk about that one.
It was a barely pass if you noticed all the silver was dead center. There's no way copper can pass the sensor + specific gravity at the same time. That's why I said not to rely on just one method. :)
That's awesome of you seeker
I have a gold 1/4 oz Libertad that doesn't pass using The Sigma OG using the wand. It's not my machine because I've tested hundreds of coins and triple checked them on different days and they've all passed. I'm hoping to get it tested by a XRP machine so I can see why it's not coming up as .999 pure fine gold. I've done some research and a few articles say the it could be because they're contaminated by other metals and not pure. It can still be gold though. Play it safe and buy a machine so you can have peace of mind. Luckily my seller has guaranteed a refund.
And I always use the wands
Great product great review. Now if I can get myself to actually pull the trigger on one it would be great . But I always end up thinking 🤔 mmm I’m just going to buy a 1/2 oz of gold instead . Lol 😂 👍🏻
in the mean time you might try a free coin testing cell phone app
Yeah I have a few of them already they work pretty good
@@TobaccoRowe1960 And give the app owner an inventory of what you're testing, as well as access to your location, photos, microphone, and other data from your phone. Phones are for talking to people outside of sound wave reception range.
@@savagestacker They want me to pay for the Morgan tester. No matter Peace dollars have the same specs.
No, you the man...
Just put in my order for the mini. Thank you for doing this for everyone. The promo code did push me in to getting one. 👍🏼
Update: I ordered the wrong item. Thought it was the Mini but it was the pad for the mini. He kept $2.51 of my refund.
Great video
Would be nice to see that the original will not pick up a fake stack i.e. what you did with the real eagle at the bottom, and fake on top
It won't. In the video I pointed out that the original is only reading a little into the surface and not all the way through. The Pro has the pass through tech.
I hear the problem with the original is with 90% silver
What was the result of a magnet on your fake eagles? Did it stick to them?
One was one wasn't magnetic
@@SilverSeeker that's scary 'cause I rely a lot on my earth magnet. It usually has a slow slide and falls off.
@@DPhasely magnet slide isn't a good test imo. Copper is also diamagnetic so it can definitely fool you. I'd check out my review for the pocket pinger it shows how to do sound resonance testing
Can you test other coins, like foreign junk silver? I’m overseas and have been picking up some junk silver here of various ASW. It’s interesting what you can find abroad, but at time I’m skeptical about things I’m unfamiliar with which dives me to do some research, and I was curious if this machine could test foreign junk silver with various ASW and not just 90% silver
I just woke up but ill look at the menu later and see what's available
@@SilverSeeker or any advice for stacking non-mainstream silver, ie: foreign junk silver.
I’m always surprised at what I find out here. I’m considering starting a world coin collection of just junk silver.
The few bullion coins I’ve seen out here have such high premiums on them that they are not even an option for me to buy ($100+ for random year ASEs…) in Eastern Europe
did i miss if you mentioned the $99, lenova m8 hd tablet?
I didn't mention it no, but it is there. The coupon code doesn't work on just that though.
The Lenovo Tablet is something we offer in conjunction with the Pro Mini, if you don’t already have a smart device to connect to it. It’s not needed on the full size pro or original.
So, I have had some silver rounds and bars that I see are being faked from China.. (NWTM Stagecoach )that I bought direct from the mint.. 12 years ago... But if I decide to sell them. Especially online, the regular PMV is all i need correct..? I see some are testing on video as they fill an order to prove they are sending a good product.. Or is there a better way to not have the buyer make false claims you ripped him off.??
Thanks
Just subbed. Linked over from 2pac's channel.
does NOT detect 90% gold well at all!
At 7:31 in the video, What would have happened if you tested the copper coin as a .900 silver coin? Would it have given a reading closer to the center?
I'll test and find out for ya soon! :)
Is there greater clearance in the Pro Mini's bridge to accept thicker samples as compared to the Pro?
Oops ignore previous reply I misread your comment. The pro mini can fit a bit more but not much. The big bridge attachment for the Pro will fit 100oz bars.
American Gold Fails the 99.9% test
But only Passes the "Super Special American Gold" Category
And that's not a Red Flag to anyone?
Awesome 👍
What good is a pocket pinger without the cell app to gauge the ping. I can just use my finger I don't need no pinger LOL
Yes, and I even said that in the video. Pinger however does secure the coin better... I can't tell you how many times I dropped a silver eagle that I was balancing on my finger. The pinger holds it much more securely.
The Phone Apps are very cheap and some have free features... finger or pinger regardless.
Good man
If all committed bullion buyers got serious about assaying all their purchases, all dealers would have to properly review their buy-backs and the community would get rid of most of the issue of fakes. Maybe then instead of producing fakes, the fakers would move into the production of much cheaper bullion testing devices given market demand.
that's a like from me bro
Too bad they are already sold out of all of the PMV's.
Yea he's hoping to get more in but apparently SIGMA is going through a chip shortage atm.
@@SilverSeeker -- Thanks for your speedy response. Love your show. As a newbie, I have learned so much. Keep 'em coming!
Right about 14:00 you said, "Now we can't, obviously, test silver eagles on this." What does that mean? I'd say it's not obvious at all why you wouldn't be able to test silver eagles and not obvious why I would want a tester that wouldn't test silver eagles. You've tested some of the fakes so quickly and inconsistently from the tests you said were obvious passes that you've made me far less likely to buy one. I have already asked my dealer to get one of the pros for me but you've just about convinced me to cancel.
For instance, more than once, you said some coin or another passed some test so it's obviously good and no need to test further. On the other hand, and in other places, you said always run every test and, yet in some cases, you accept or reject based on a single test.
Additionally, other UA-camrs I have watched on these testers, or other testing methods, don't suggest making any final decisions based on these testers but, instead, follow up with additional testing. I wouldn't want to keep something that was fake or to mistakenly toss something that was precious. For instance, in one case you show a fake coin that has the rating cursor just outside of the brackets on the original and you said, it's obviously fake because the cursor is outside the brackets so toss it. Then, in another case, you show a good coin that is just into the yellow on the pro and said that it's clearly good even though it's outside of the green so keep it.
I've seen videos where valuable silver didn't, at least according to the Sigma tester, live up to the advertised promise of purity but were still legit and valuable, such as perhaps 80% silver instead of 90% so the indicator is out of range. If you get a coin just out of range (and totally off screen might still be less than a few percentage points of purity as indicated by the testing results of Sterling silver versus pure silver) then further data is needed to determine just how much precious metal, if any, is actually in the coin. That data might come from other tests you indicate, such as size, volume, density, or ping tests, or beyond. You can be sure I'm doing a drill test or a chemical test, or something that gives an absolute answer before tossing a $2500 gold coin that might show up bad on the Sigma.
I'd love to see you do another video, testing each coin, good and bad, thoroughly and consistently, perhaps forming some opinions or recognizing potential risks before all the testing is done but not making any judgments of good or bad until all of the data is in, then showing the data and then making your personal assessment based on that data. That would be very useful to people like me considering the Sigma testers and even to your partner, Sigma, as a more proper set of testing, results, and data driven decision making, would let people make better decisions on the purchase of the Sigma tester.
I can except limitations on the reliability and accuracy of a tester and process as long as I know exactly what those limitations are. But, as for now, your video, because of the inconsistent testing and inconsistent application of the data, does more to raise questions about the reliability of the Sigma testers and the process for using them than it does to answer questions.
at 14:00 I meant to say Gold Eagles and what I meant was that it was set to PURE Gold, so testing Gold Eagles on that settings would say they're fake because Gold Eagles aren't pure Gold. Good catch on me mis-speaking though. I've done videos since then using the Sigma, but I'll just say that if the coins test correctly on both the sensor AND dimensions it's always been right for me. I've never had a fake coin that could pass both the sensor AND the dimensions test at the same time. I'm not saying they don't exist, but it's never happened to me.
@@SilverSeeker Thanks for the clarification on your experience. That helps restore some confidence.
Oh, and I watched at 14:00 with the corrected context and now it makes sense. It's not that you can't test on the tester, you meant Gold Eagles and that setting. Thanks, again, for the clarification.
I got a suspicion who your guy is lol
In doing more research, I found this that appears to backup with data the idea that the pro version, along with weight and size measures, might be completely reliable. It's a 5 year-old video about a beta model of the product so I'm still researching. Apparently there are copper alloys (I'm sure you and most of your viewers know this) that very closely match gold for conductivity and fool the best of testers, including XRF testers. The pro version, according to this video, when coupled also with density testing (size and weight), catches these fakes. I hope that is backed up with further reading I'll do.
Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/E0De1GtrW2I/v-deo.html
One funny thing I read was someone trusting a tester because it catches all the easy fakes. It seems that there is no such thing as a difficult fake today, with the full weight of some communist governments and very cheap labor in those countries behind the effort to make simple fake methods that weren't practical just a few years ago. Maybe I should just go for minimum premium in all PM purchases and plan on destructive testing but it's hard to get a refund on a bar with a drill hole in it.
I hear the problem with the original is with 90% silver