Victoria Line train stopping with emergency braking (better)
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Here's a better video showing a northbound LT1967 stock Victoria Line train stopping at Highbury & Islington station using an emergency brake application. The abruptness of the stop is more obvious than my previous video as the train is in emergency until it stopped. Passengers were probably thrown off their feet. :P
As explained in my other video, ATO technology used on the Victoria Line doesnt always stop the train dead accurately. This train was approaching the stopping mark at a far too high speed and would have overran and stopped in the tunnel if the train op didn't do anything. It looks like that it was doing 10-15mph when the stopping point was around 10m away!
If you look carefully (its for a split second only), you can see the train operator's right hand pulling and returning the emergency brake valve lever, completed with a loud hiss as the brake pressure is dumped.
Some information about the the Victoria Line ATO and its problems can be found here, www.trainweb.or... - Авто та транспорт
Me driving in train sim world 2:
I can relate
True
can defo relate
Word
Relatable
They use track mounted wheel flange greasers on some LU track. apparently they've had a problem in the past on the Victoria line where the devices have been poorly adjusted and the wheels have been too greasy, meaning that the drivers have found themselves skidding at stations, and had to apply emergency braking just to stop in the right place.
It wasnt the speed at which it came to a stand that gave it away, but the sound of the air being dumped.
With the new carriages, the service has become much faster and smoother than before! :D
very old
Indeed
the old days with the '67 stock
Wow that's incredible.
looks like either a trainee or a relatively new driver, always handy to know it works though
Read the description, the trains are automatically controlled, like the DLR, and the driver saw that the train was coming in a a far to high speed to stop in the right place, so he applied the emergency brake.
ah some good old 1967 stocks that were by these fresh new 2009 stock
dosen't the 1967 stock look similar to the 72 and 73 stock?
Martin Fellner that is because they are in the same family
Also sorry for 11 year wait 😂
@@RtrainProductions-ll1su no, it's time travel 😂😄, and more accurately, they are the same train, just a later batch, lacking ATO, a 8th car and slight design alterations, mk1 though externally was identical 😄😁
Yes, it does
In the early 1970s, the 1938 Tube stock on the Bakerloo and Northern line was life-expired and due for replacement. Tentative designs for a new Northern line fleet were abandoned when the go-ahead was given for the Piccadilly line to be extended to Heathrow Airport. That required a totally new fleet of trains to replace the 1959 stock then in use. The plan was made to transfer the 1959 trains to the Northern, to allow the worst of the 1938 stock there to be scrapped, but there were only 76 1959 Tube stock trains, and the Northern line needed more than that to operate. Originally, it was planned to refurbish some 30 1938 trains, but this was scrapped in favour of 30 new trains of the 1972 Mark 1 Tube stock.
The 1972 Tube stock was ordered in a hurry, so there was no time to create a new design; the trains were based on the 1967 Tube stock on the Victoria line. Although almost identical looking, the 1972 trains had a guard and door controls in the rear car, and were not compatible with 1967 Tube stock (though in later years some 1972 cars were adapted to run with the 1967 trains on the Victoria line).
from Wikipedia
Ah... so many stupid comments by backwards thinking and finger pointing people. As a fan of technology makes me a bit upset.
You get upset by that? Toughen up!
@@droge192 Upset may have been an exaggeration and I was not referring to the comments made as jokes, if that’s what you thought.
No it is not what ATO is supposed to do. For some reason trains can overrun the platforms if the driver does not override the ATO with the emergency brake. There are several other videos of the Victoria line showing the train braking how it should, i.e. much less aggressively. The trains are having a "new auto driver box" which will mean they will brake more accurately.
The SEPTA subway trains in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania stop almost as fast, and they have no automatic control.
SEPTA subway trains are still doing 40 mph (65 km/h) or better as they enter a station.
Top speed on their "local" trains is 55 mph (90 km/h), and I've seen a Phillies sports express top out at 73 mph (almost 120 km/h).
But I bet they aren’t as frequent
me in 2021: thats picadilly line what
looks at desc:uploaded 2008
Wow I've never seen that before
That doesn't mean the train is going to crash. The late braking is the reason why ATO is needed, it allows trains to run closer together and go at faster speeds... The 'bolting and braking' at Brixton is probably because of the crossover north of the station that the 67TS traverses at full line speed, and the fact that the 67TS has bumpy suspension plus the track quality isn't so good.
Like a boss OH YES I KEEP THE “bank” running
No, this is normal, he just didn't want to jump too far and so applied further braking methods.
Diddleshot Be a passenger on a train and I want to see what you say after.
Read the description, the trains are automatically controlled, like the DLR, and the driver saw that the train was coming in a a far to high speed to stop in the right place, so he applied the emergency brake.
I wish this stock of Victoria line was back
Weird to see what looks like 72 stock on the Victoria line.
The 1967 stock was the basis for the 72’s, so it honestly should be the other way around!
3054 - BEAST!
Again.. this is ATO working at it's best. It's designed to do this! If it didn't then there would be disaster on the tube. the brake application is not and emergency application it is merely an adjustment to bring the train to a halt at the right place. I've been on a 1959 stock train when that has been done mabually so it's nothing new!
I did some of my training in London for a while and didn't bother with the Tube after a bit because I didn't like the cram in a morning. That was the Piccadilly line. So I walked. It took me 1 1/4 hours to walk to work. It took me 1 1/2 by tube which included a bit of walking as well. So it's not all that good. But don't forget other parts of this country don't have a public transport system at all. Wheras at least the tube exists in London and it is fairly frequent if not packed out.
Has anyone realised that the 1972 stock has the drivers seat on the left but the 1967 stock has it on the right
Love stumbling upon a comment posted 47s ago on a 16 year old video!
@@AKG_2014 and yet my reply to your comment was sent 13 minutes ago.
try 3 months ago
He means 1967 stock.
@@maarijahnafali6047 ty for making me notice
Re: the comments. No-one was "thrown off their feet", lol, as we could clearly see.
I didn't even ask you specifically, usually when you ask a question you expect someone who actually knows something about the subject to answer.
Ooh sounds like something dramatic is gonna happen on "Eastenders".
Kiddos in the latest comments section showing their age; having no idea that the ‘67 stock was a thing.
so that's why i kept hearing that once
I think it's more to do with the trains. The brakes are probably worn.
Why should it make a difference how old the system is? It's hardly like electronic signals suffer from wear and tear, trains, on the other hand, do. Or are you trying to say the technology is unadvanced and therefore this was a problem from the day it opened?
@MamaLuigiNumer1 Good to know. Also they are still in use I went on one yesterday!
Yeah they were then, the last one went near the end of 2011
Isn't the emergency breaking needed not because of the ATO system but deteriorating train performance?
This are the old trains only on Jubilee, Northern,Central And New Victoria
That's not a Diesel engine - all tubes are electric, you can see there are 4 rails (2 carry the electricity).
Yeah, you can see the driver kinda pulling the red handle back which all drivers keep their hands on incase the train over speeds.
no, it's a dead man's handle.
@@yng.ak23 No. Dead Man’s handle is the actual TBC (traction brake controller) which has the nickname “dead man’s handle” in case the driver suddenly lets go whilst the train is in motion which will immediately apply harsh brakes.
Ouch!
I misread your post. But even when I read it correctly it's still bollocks so the point remains.
i thought that the emergency brake on 1967 stock worked off the 'dead mans handle' not off a seperate lever
I Love that Victoria line very much. But I like take a new ones anymore I like that one is best.
the most dangerous part of this video, is that it was filmed at highbury station, it didnt show the part where the passengers all got mugged by 5 black dudes around the corner.
these trains are automatic but have a driver for when something like this happens
Secondly, you are not rammed in "like cattle". Cattle, unlike tube passengers actually have a choice of whether or not they want to be "rammed in". Usually the only reason people are "rammed in" is because impatient people can't wait for the next train. Another point is that crowded systems are a part of big city life, visit Tokyo, Moscow, Paris or New York and they're all just as crowded. Get over it or move to somewhere less populated.
WHO IN THE BLAZES APPLIED THAT EMERGANCY BREAK?!
HE DID!
I actually know a Victoria Line driver, and he has driven both the 1967 stocks and 09 stocks. He said that the ATO on the 1967 stocks often didn't stop in a place where the drivers could easily see the monitors at the end of the platforms, so they often applied the emergency brake to make the train come to a stop sooner.
Is that why you haven't replied to any of my points. Oh okay.
@MamaLuigiNumer1 It was a joke! I was making a pun on your misspelling of "automatically!" ;)
@MamaLuigiNumer1 Atomically? When did tfl commission these new nuclear powered trains?
wow do you have more videos from 2007-2008?
they dont know how to brake?
Read the description, the trains are automatically controlled, like the DLR, and the driver saw that the train was coming in a a far to high speed to stop in the right place, so he applied the emergency brake.
Sam it was a female so she
This 1967 Victoria line train is gone D:
1967 stock no 1979 stock
I edited it
thats why you see dont go too fast wait is it supossed to be to or too?
I actually know a Victoria Line driver, and he has driven both the 1967 stocks and 09 stocks. He said that the ATO on the 1967 stocks often didn't stop in a place where the drivers could easily see the monitors at the end of the platforms, so they often applied the emergency brake to make the train come to a stop sooner.
was that a bit too loud
The brakes were bad on those
Did he get a bollocking??
Well 1 bus a day per village of people might be a start in some places!!!!!
Charging more at peak times is definately a case of robbery I agree with you on that one. There bringing out some new types of trains now that have some sort of new door arrangement and have longer tapered cars which allow for longer cars carrying more people in the same length of train.
What they need to do though if you ask me is dig out at the platform ends and make the platforms longer and have bigger trains.
@@redmilkcrate BRO IS TIME TRAVELLING THIS WAS MADE 4 YRS AGO AND THE COMMENT 15 YRS AGO
curious to know how u know that was gonna happen or was it just a lucky thing lol .... like they saw a "train spotter / tube spotter and thought here sumthing for him to chat about lol :) x
That dont look like Victoria line
It was the old Victoria line train before the 2009 stock replaced it
Is that really a emergency brake?
This Train Operator need to play more BVE !!!
Read the description, the trains are automatically controlled, like the DLR, and the driver saw that the train was coming in a a far to high speed to stop in the right place, so he applied the emergency brake.
How do you know it could have crashed?
jokes on you, i still got off
Thats how they normally stop!
this was three months before i was born
Anthony Smith HOLLY SHIT
Stop making the rest of us sound old.
@@Hannodb1961 uno like that 😂😂😂i was like ten when this video was made
How can this occur when the train is automatically driven and braked using Automatic Train Operation (ATO) the Victoria is only one of two lines, along with the Central Line, that has ATO.
Those old trains are don't work very well with the ATO system.
Also, the jubillee line uses ATO, one of three lines actually
Sorry I’m late but, like someone else said, old stock aren’t built for ATO- a modern system. Therefore there is always faults with ATO on older trains. The driver saw that the train entered the station too fast, a glitch if you like, so they pulled the emergency brake since the train wouldnt’ve stopped itself.
one more reason to not have automatically controlled subway trains
carljohnson621 The old 1967 stock trains were not as reliable as the new 2009 stock
Sam if anything, this is a reason FOR ATO
carljohnson621 That's unsafe. Less people are going to take the tube if they know that they are being driven by a machine. I would never get on a train that was driven by a machine. And tere shouldn't be less jobs.
ThePenguinMaster198 ATO still requires someone to open the doors, and it would be safer because there would be little human input so us fallible humans can’t over run the platform
Patrick Meaden Yeah, and overall i think people are afraid of automation because "this was supposed to work but oops.. it didn't" happens so often in noncritical systems. Thus, people don't realize just how reliable machines truly are. Making an airplane stay in the air is a much bigger wonder than it is to make a train run without a driver.
Dat no Victoria line
Me playing SCR be like:
die trein gebruikt nood rem om station te halen
Can anyone tell me the ratio between 2009 stock 1967 stock in exact Number?
47:0
Too noisy I am trying to slep😅
Well then you should run for MP or something then!!
huh? emergency?
That sound 0:12
It really does not make you an expert.
And if i'm talking "cods" then point it out. I can point out where you talk shite; for example when you say the tube has air conditioning.
And i'll have a lovely easter break regardless of whether the tube is busy or empty, I don't let trivial things affect me ;)
Me comenting in 2023
that isn’t bakerloo?
No.
@@ElectroRail oj it looks nearly the same
1967 and 1972 Stock are nearly identical, one of the few differences is that the 1967 Stock has ATO equipped meaning the Train mostly drives itself, There still has to be a driver on board to control the doors.
@@qtrainprod i figured that lut, but thanks for telling me amyway
Definitely better aha
emergency brakes....dat seems normal
I actually know a Victoria Line driver, and he has driven both the 1967 stocks and 09 stocks. He said that the ATO on the 1967 stocks often didn't stop in a place where the drivers could easily see the monitors at the end of the platforms, so they often applied the emergency brake to make the train come to a stop sooner. Sorry for the 10 year wait lol.
Blame the Tories for underinvesting in the Tube for years. Now we have to pay for it with painstakingly slow upgrades and expensive fares. You could probably also blame the New Labour government for not subsidising the aforementioned upgrades, too. Also, get your facts right. The public did not pay for the Tube in Victorian times, it was built by private investors.
Sweetiepie000 - You've said the exact same thing on other london underground videos - word for word!!
You must just copy and paste your comments. You must be so bored.
This is Bakerloo line
It's not. It's a '67 stock, whether as the BL has '72 stocks. They look similar but the interior is different and the 67 has ATO.
Now 2 years later:
Victoria line in 1967: Stock 1967
Victoria line in 2009: Stock 2009
Bakerloo line today: Stock 1967
@@gustavharpse2993 Bakerloo and the Piccadilly Lines will soon get the 2024 Stock because these 1972 and 1973 Stocks are getting very old
Metro in Sweden, stops faster, accelerates faster and overall is faster and better
You haven't had thatcherism
Um... when i was in Sweden some time ago the metro ride was pretty bumby tbh. Don't know if this is due to building work or something. But anyway, London's tube sounds much nicer :P
LTA Bare in mine that the metro trains are far Norsemen than this. TFL are still working on a new tube stock that will run on the Piccadilly, Central and Bakerloo lines
You haven’t ever heard of 1996 and 2009TS then.
LOL but you're still wrong!
Ha ha ha!! Seriously that's true.
Are you acually, in the know, or are you some armchair engineer?
Erm ok, that was 25 seconds of my life wasted; time I'll never get back! It was a 100% normal stop.
WTF 15 YEARS AGO?!?!?? THIS IS THE OLD VICTORIA LINE 15 YEARS OLD IT LOOKS OLD AND DUSTY
it was constructed in the 60s y'know
@@FarmYard-Trains ok
@@jacjoh3397 👍
This is the bakerloo
No, this use to be the old Victoria line.
@@RaidenShoogun hm..
🗨️😽
Way to make yourself look stupid :P
Read the description, the trains are automatically controlled, like the DLR, and the driver saw that the train was coming in a a far to high speed to stop in the right place, so he applied the emergency brake.
should have had more training or should have known when to start braking sooner
Read the description, the trains are automatically controlled, like the DLR, and the driver saw that the train was coming in a a far to high speed to stop in the right place, so he applied the emergency brake.
It's probably because you talk so much codswallop. Reply when you can think of something relevant this time.
That's a Piccadilly line train lol
It's... literally not.
its similar but its a 1967 Stock, the Piccadilly has 1973 Stock which has a Dark Grey and Red Front
Typical tram driver in London Underground
Read the description, the trains are automatically controlled, like the DLR, and the driver saw that the train was coming in a a far to high speed to stop in the right place, so he applied the emergency brake.