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The Rise of Garbage Exercises for Profit
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Coach ZT dissects some of the Functional Fitness Charlatans populating social media.
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UA-cam fitness has become so oversaturated that you have to say controversial things to stay relevant.
Or take steroids at 12 years old.
Or look like The Slappable Jerk 👀
Zack looks like The Slappable jerk
That’s it exactly. The more outlandish and obviously incorrect, the more people feel like they’ve discovered some groundbreaking truth. People enjoy having non-mainstream beliefs, even when those beliefs are transparently just dumb, because basic, sound reasoning is boring to them. See Liver King, Paul Saladino, flat earthers, Joel Seedman and a legion of PT charlatans, etc… as long as there are men, there will be con men
It's societal issue - consumerist philosophy applied to fitness. UA-cam fitness is just a business.
Basically Greg doucette
Man’s just goes around being controversial, and I get it you gotta play the game
I've been saying this for years, you can't sell, squats, deadlifts, pressing and pulling, that's why you have these influencers making up exercises and routines to sell their program or supplements when we all know they're doing the basics 95% of the time, and that doesn't sell.
"Heavy barbell movements are dangerous... do this instead"
And the "this" is generally more dangerous, especially as the weight increases, but fortunately it won't... because it's a poorly designed exercise.
@@descendencybut even the bodyweight basics like chins, dips, and push-ups aren’t even pushed to the masses either and you can’t argue those are dangerous for healthy people.
well you can sell them, but you have to have the knowledge and put in the effort to learn it yourself. and then of course you cant sell that to lazy idiots with money.
@@bragiodinsen4604 most people I meet and train with money are in fact not lazy, and that is why they have money.
Dan John seems to manage but he's a massive minority
To be fair, I NEVER EVER see people actually trying to emulate these dumb lifts in the real world. So I don't think they're having as much of an impact as we're worried they could.
Oh I have seen some dumb shit in my gym mostly from women. I know for a fact they have been watching to much youtube.
Unfortunately I've seen a lot of dangerous stuff done on these bosu balls - squats with dumbbells or with a barbell. Here where I live (Poland) most of the coaches I see on the gyms don't know shit about training.
@@Deffilyeah but that's Poland, lot of ignorant people there in general
Poland gets heat for not being gay and Jewish
@@Train_Eat_Rest_Repeatan ironically ignorant thing to say
If I was an insurance company I would not insure his business lol. Dude is training people for the circus.
A Flea Circus at that.
Eric Bugenhagen, before going viral as a UA-camr admited that, as a trainer, he used to teach a lot of deadlift variations to wrestling athletes and even encouraged them to hoist so big weights. He then said that all these athletes, with all this new strength gains and muscle, were dominating their divitions, but the coaches around him yelled him 'cause "risk of injury" and not sport specific. People forget that a solid base can be transfered to whatever the athletes wants after solidifying the basic stuff (who would've thought? not me).
Yeah. If you strengh and conditioning couch - your job is to make people, you guessed it, stronger and more conditioned. They learn their sport mostly with sport coach.
STICKY RICKY
Variations, not making up stupid exercises like these. I haven't seen a single video of his where he's doing anything like these morons are doing. Either point one put or admit you're talking out of your ass. Those are your options.
This was always intuitive to me. I made college sprinters go from last to first via high rep high volume squats.
The bosu ball stuff in the Smith machine, that's lethal. So so dangerous
This is the part that really gets me irritated. It's not that barbells are dangerous but give much better results, so instead you take slightly less results for a safer exercise...
Barbells give better results and are safer. A lot safer.
My clients have had great success spot-reducing belly fat with my patented push-up variation in which I kick the fat out of the fat cells during the eccentric. I only charge $10 for this service and consider it a public service. Functional fitness is life.
Lol you said spot reduce fat and had an intense pull of rage up until I reas the rest of your comment. Sarcasm and I don't mix well 😅
Spot reduction is real. It's not really applicable to the masses but everyone who's out there in the trenches knows it.
@@legral you cant spot reduce brother
you cant spot reduce brother
sorry but losing weight is a full body systemic thing and cant be isolated to any one part of the body
I grew up in hardcore European lifting halls and went to university for exercise science, and saw with own eyes these charlatans rise and flourish and trainers giving good solid advice get much less clients, it’s sad, I’ve seen people pass up free training by legitimate coaches and rather pay because this type charlatan shenanigans style of training makes them feel special, and that’s what comes down to it, feeling special and exclusive, never mind solid results lol
I think enough people want to do the other exercises because they look "cool" therefore fun. While a squat looks much more boring. And quite a few women are afraid if they touch a barbell the weight will transfer to them, making them bulky. Just what I've observed as a trainer
I saw this from my sister in law, we went to gym and she started doing all this funkjy ass excercises lol. NO wonder she was making no progress. Told her to stick to squat deadlift and bench and some other traditional stuff. Boom she blew up
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The comment on soccer is so spot on. I’ve played soccer since I was 3 and competitively from 9 to 18 (I’m 20 now). I started strength training at age 13 and it literally only made me better at the sport. The amount of nonsense I see online about “gym work is ruining footballers” is wild. Yes, soccer is a highly skilled sport that you have to put time into to get good at, and the best way to get good at any sport is to play that sport. But to say that weightlifting will make you worse is absolutely ludicrous. Every single player I’ve ever played with who started lifting between the age of 13-15 was better because of it.
I remember when I was a personal trainer at a strength and conditioning gym, and clients would complain about not doing enough variety. When our goal was to improve their squat, deadlift, pulling, and pressing movements. And slowly the owner started having us add in stupid little exercises that weren’t part of our goal. My point is most people coming into a gym to be trained want variety. Unfortunately
I think that's also one of the big reasons why constantly varied group fitness programs like CrossFit tend to be more popular than more specific strength training like weightlifting or powerlifting: a lot of people just cannot stand the "monotony" of actual training, they just want to exercise, but these two things are not the same.
@@tripleextension88 I’d agree with that. Most people in my experience don’t like grind of doing the same exercises or very similar exercises where the focus is adding a bit more weight, or a few reps, or improving technique. They want their workouts, movements, and exercises to be like a Vegas buffet
They want fun and magic pills (now injections).
Could be that they said they wanted to improve thise lifts, but don't actually want to do what it takes to improve them.. a slow grueling grind of increasing little to no lbs over weeks.
@@apocalypse487Don't forget steroids can be orally ingested too!
10:49 is my favourite.
"Let's work on stability by pistol squatting on a rubber ball, but also let's do it on a smith machine so we aren't working on stability as much!"
Functional fitness is the biggest scam on the internet. There is some value in sport specific training, but the vast majority of training can be general strength and power training. That's why any high end university sports program has a general strength and conditioning coach to get athletes strong.
But no one is "more prepared" to play a sport because they did power cleans while standing 1 legged on a bosu ball. And adding bands with dangling weights to the ends won't help either. Doing a clean at 45 pounds with all of that nonsense on it is way less effective than just doing 315.
This is the equivalent to the 1940s tennis pros that refused to lift weights because they thought they'd get too rigid and bulky... and now literally every tennis pro uses strength training. Do I think high end cardio athletes should weight train? Yes, but probably less than more strength focused athletes (marathon runners should run more than squat).
Functional fitness is some sort of a modern cult at this point.
the problem with functional fitness is that it's done by people who don't need to be "functionally fit". I've met a guy in a park while doing calisthenics and he says that he's better than me because he does crossfit and it's more functional, then he tells me that he works an office job. the problem is not that he does crossfit, but he does it for the wrong reason. I lift sandbags not to be functional, but because its just a lot of fun.
Look at Mario Rios. he sells athletic bodybuilding programs. he says that regular BB is bad because its not athletic and sells it to people that don't do any sports outside lifting in the gym. his stuff sells because of the word "athletic" or "functional". you're not athletic, you're just small and lean enough to see your veins, yet you have some muscle, but not too much. you're not functional, you just have strong abs and good cardio.
Wow so if I train my muscles using weights, they will then become stronger and more capable of doing the function they serve? Wow.
I dunno, I think the term has been hijacked and bastardized beyond recognition. The kernel of it is there: not specificity, per se, but focusing on small weaknesses that can make a huge difference to an athlete. Various core exercises that not only work the core, but teach you proper bracing, how to tuck your pelvis, how to sinch the ribcage down so you get that tight "barrel", will help you in all sorts strength sports... Unilateral work like split squats to shore up little weaknesses in some of the stabilizer muscles, make the knees a bit stronger, teach you some balance... goblet squats to warm up for barbell squats, pushing against the knees, forcing yourself up right, opening up the hips. To me this was the original intent of Functional Fitness, and I think it successfully shows up in all sorts of coach's programming, especially for Strongman and Crossfit. But the charlatans always gotta take a little usefulness and twist it into absurdity.
@@jculbert2221but with that definition everything is functional fitness, which it actually is. A barbell back squat is just as functional as any other exercise.
The brain washing is intense, I have a mate fully functional patterned and he constantly analysis’s everyone’s gait and talks about how spinning around with a DB will fix all their ailments haha
😭😭
wait what, he thinks spinning around dumbbell would fix their walks?
@@leok4445 it’s was a bit of a joke, but basically, look into functional patterns, they do posture restoration and what not by weird exercises and ban any sort of squatting/general basic gym movements… recently but it’s funny as, they’re always claiming isolation movements break the body down and you need to train it as a system in the way it’s supposed to moved but just released a new product to isolate external rotation in the hip you’ll see if, contradicts himself naudi they’re “guru”… it’s a proper cult, you’ll get kicked out if your found to be doing other sorts or training
FP has its utility. It's a great training system in many regards. Focusing on removing dysfunction and creating better length tension relationships, coordination, proper recruitment and muscle firing. Great for people who want some strength and mobility and have nothing to train for except to move as efficiently and pain free as possible. Which is also a great base for other types of training to be stacked upon . But yea FP practitioners are (at least the main guys) cultish. Like with anything take the good from it and leave the rest
Seedman should have his credentials stripped from him.
We need the variability to see just how correct everyone else is.
Yeah at what point does he get his phd revoked for real.
He claimed his hanging barbell one legged jump squat was the hardest thing ever, and only for those elite in body peformance. So I did a video, as an overweight 59 year old easily doing the exercise he struggled with
I know the feeling, full disclosure, I am not a personal trainer. Not trying to brag, I consider myself to be a fit person with good strength and fitness, and I have an atheletic body. When I do lift weights, I only have 3 exercises, squats, floor press and overhead press. For cardio, I simply run. From time to time, I get people asking about my training routine. When I tell them, they always look disappointed at how simple my workouts are.
No back exercises like pull-ups or rows? Otherwise, I like the simplicity. (I am a trainer)
i feel like a good compound exercise to work the back like a row or pullup and this is a solid simple routine
@@stxlaxPP, good point, I will get a chin up bar.
@@Leon-bt7gw, I will add a chin up bar, never occurred to me.
It’s not strength training. It’s influencer training. It’s a form of fitness that results in likes and views vs hypertrophy. If you view it as a form of exercise that’s goal is to entertain and go viral then it’s effective.
And the people demonstrating this nonsense certainly didn't build those bodies doing it either.
The idea that hitting the classic lifts isn't specific enough is disproven by countless elite athletes if you look into it. Dennis Rodman is a great example of a guy that was known for putting in work in the gym, lo and behold he was a huge physical problem for guys on the court as well.
Spoiler blocker
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Finally, someone mentions “practice” in relation to “training” in the context of athleticism. Too many people forget that “training” in the gym is meant to lead to athleticism on the field (in whatever sport), and that these training movements are then to be used to improve the practice of whatever specific sport the athlete is doing.
Thanks to celebrity bodybuilders and fad dieting in the 70’s and 80’s all the way up to the rise of gymfluencers in social media, training for the practice of a sport has almost all been forgotten about. Training has _become_ the sport.
I'm glad I primarily just listened to this video. The times I actually looked at it were a tad painful.
Most charitable view I can sports specific training is unless you are a pro athlete and training is your full time job, most of us don’t have unlimited time to train. So that means you have to prioritize your activities. The temptation to try and make all training functional to the sport or activity you enjoy is really great.
Most women would rather do anything but run or lift weights too lose weight even if it doesn't work lol
Run? Maybe, but lifting weights (especially more than a few pink dumbbells)? Absolutely. So many of them are poisoned with the notion that if they dare pick up some 20lb dbs, they'll look like peak-Arnold in a few weeks. This is also why so many people think guys who have been lifting decades are "casual gym goers" when they're not super jacked. People just don't understand how this shit works.
And that is how these scam artists ("charlatans") get rich. They prey on this ignorance and sell bullshit to people who don't know better... which unfortunately is so many people.
'I'd do anything to be in good shape!' - anything BUT what is required lol
You are living in candy land if you think this is exclusive to women.
@@vicenteochoa6498 i like candy, candy land woud be cool
@@vicenteochoa6498 it isn’t
John Evans is the trainer for Isaiah Rivera one of the highest dunkers in the world. They both understand (and recommend) a foundation of STRENGTH with the basic compound lifts BEFORE any more specific variations. In fact they credit Rippetoe and Starting Strength in their podcasts. You can't skip over fundamental compound lifts and only really the top athletes need to do more sport-specific exercises.
In the 2023-2024 school year our school's varsity (American) football team went undefeated. They also won our area's winter/spring stongest football team powerlifting competition. The two are directly related, not directly opposed.
I think a lot of people would be shocked at how many football players (at the pro level) would be close to qualifying for the olympics in weightlifting. There are vids of plenty of them doing 400+ lb power cleans. Could they jerk it? I'm not sure if they could right now but I'm willing to bet they'd get there pretty fast.
speed always beats strength.
@@robbank8027speed and strength are not mutually exclusive. Sprinters squat for a reason. I’m way faster from squatting
@@descendency yeah, because no one drug tests them in the US. They would all bomb out of Olympics :D
@@robbank8027 Yes, everything is always an absolute all the time, and nothing is ever the result of more than one variable. I am certain that you are always correct and never incorrect. I have lived with people who were never wrong and that was always the greatest of great joys!
I like these zack rants/essays, its informative and fun to watch. As well his training video. Love you zack, love your music too
Joel Sneedman (formerly Chuck)
He ain't no city slicker.
I think the most clear article about the “specificity training” is Mark Rippetoes article “The two factor model of sports performance”.
I've hurt myself more doing box jumps than i have doing atlas stones
Wow you can lift atlas stone damn are you compete in strongest man
@Maz-zb9uf yes i compete in strongman
If you are passionate about lifting, you will have no problem with the ostensible redundancies and repetitive nature of productive training.
That does not sell though. Its not fun to anyone who doesnt love it.
Its exactly the same with diet. Eating healthy and eating for performance are mostly the same, and not complicated. If you really want to be strong and perform at your best, you will eat well. That doesnt sell either though, so “gurus” make up some fancy bullshit for you to eat…. Especially supplements. Cant be a champ without eating a lot of supplements.
Couldn't agree more. My sporty is distance running so I adjust strength work to support that goal. GPP levels up your specific sport and general quality of life. Keep it simple and work smart.
Lmao the ab wheel balance hemisphere treadmill game.... Guess that's one way to "spice up" training, but it's basically a plank.
The stronger one is, the better they are at their sport. Squats, bench, deadlifts, overhead press, is about all you need.
Pull-ups and other calesthenic exercises will benefit you greatly and should not be omitted either.
Add in pull-ups, dips, and some kind of rows (barbell for me), and you’ve covered all your bases.
Strength is amazing, but there is nothing special about powerlifting moves. You can be strong as fuck while never doing those specific movements, there's a million other exercises and variations that will strengthen the same muscles.
I deep squat both in the gym with a barbell and all day long at work stocking shelves and I’m injury free and my squat went up 65 pounds in the past 4 months
It’s weird how it actually works. Like I’d been powerlifting for years when some friends of mine got me into golf. At first, I obviously sucked. But once I figured out how to properly swing, I was out hitting guys that had been playing for years. Go figure
This is only a thing because people want the "quick results" and dont want to acknowledge that genuine gym fitness is doing the basics over and over but progressively overloading it.
Thought you said "The feces behind this general strength training." 😵💫 Good video. Never did any of the fad exercises..planks, curl ups, box jumping for height, those rope things, or rotating a plate around your head.. Many of these are done for novelty when people get bored with running, calisthenics, hard work and weights. Good video ! Thanks .
There are some solid movements in this video that are impressive.
Yes, impressive they are.
On a different note, Zack, did you figure out who is that one lady who is watching your videos?
Actually, there are a bunch of us ladies watching, and the "hello lady and gentlemen" thing, while funny, is beginning to make me, at least, feel a little unseen. We are many more than one, we matter, and we like his content!
Rippetoe has been beating this drum for years.
He is the other extreme, though, isn't he? The guy that suggests you should just deadlift more if you want a higher clean and jerk.
This is what Rippetoe calls the “2-factor model”. Basically you have a generalize performance improvement part of the training (building strength primarily) and then you have the specific part (which is just practicing the sport or related skills). You’re increasing your body’s ability to express strength/power (higher force output) which supplements your specific athletic/sports skills. This is the same reason steroids work. There’s no technique steroids. They help athletes because it makes them stronger
Steroids are rarely used outside of bodybuilding and specifically strength sports. EPO is much more popular.
@@davorzdralo8000 steroids are popular for every sport. In endurance dependent sports you will also see EPO being used on top of that
Keep pushing good info man. As I ease my way into the industry, I realize this is the kinda crap we gotta combat.
Exactly what Rippetoe has been ranting about until he's red in the face and his crab claw is going crazy for the past 20 years. People focus on what they disagree with Rip about, but he's mainly been crusading against this type of crap since before UA-cam and Instagram. Beginners should just do something like Starting Strength for the first 2-3 months, after that it would be a lot harder to brainwash people with this nonsense.
Nah..he's a hack
Just skip him and go to Bill Starr, who rip stole from anyways
@@slee2695 it doesn't matter, the book is excellent and fairly cheap
He's dead on right about this issue. A lot of what he says about strength is good. Some of his other takes... not so much.
But if there is one thing Mark Rippetoe knows, it's training strength.
That I only see these things on your videos is a sign I’m doing the algorithm right, lolz.🤣 keep fighting the good fight.
It's like none of these gurus have taken a college-level intro biomech class. Geez.
All I know is I wouldn't be able to do any of this stuff.
Came here running after seeing the girls doing box jumps to the Bosu Ball
I think think the 2 minutes are from the world's first fitness comedians 😂
This is called “dancing around the gym”. Nothing is being accomplished.
I love it when Zach gives me subway surfer style videos to watch while he’s talking
The same thing happens in sports. I myself had this same mindset with striking. Because I would see all the champions and GOATS 🐐 doing fancy advance moves. I thought that was what i had to do, so I would look at all the training for champions like Mayweather, senchai, Mike Tyson and would be disappointed because all I saw where mere basics my coaches where teaching me and anyone who would walk through the door. I thought they where keeping the trade secrets to themselves so they could keep an advantage (lol). I quickly outgrew this stage the better I got, and the more I kept doing what works, the basics. I realized that these champions are champions because they have more VOLUME doing the basics than their peers.
I saw a guy deadlifting barefoot at Anytime Fitness today and I wasn't sure if that's safe.
Lol health wise not a good idea. You can get a foot infection or worse
@@bigdaddytrips6197 I'm just worried the gym manager would kick me out if i did that! Plus he wasn't using bumper plates.
These exercises remind me that I’m lacking imagination. This video was entertaining, thank you.
The video reminds me of dumb stuff I did growing up (not to train, but dumb stuff in general).
9:51 That's actually a good version of kettlebell swing, but somehow she's managed to completely destroy it. The band should be looped through the Kettlebell and underneath the feet so that horse production from the hips sends the cuddle doll as hard as you can and returns.
Can we bring those short shorts back please? Asking for the one lady, lol.
So i shave? to show the muscles with higher definition 😂
Another GREAT video by Zack. Makes me thankful I read Theory of Periodization by Tudor Bompa over 25 years ago.
I think people do these exercises to show what they are capable of, not that they are showing what their typical training is. But that's just my interpretation of what I've seen. I could be completely wrong as I've never asked them why they do it
Full ROM is thee Most protecttive, Joel
I keep my workouts simple and traditional.
I just want to see how far into the video or comments section I have to go before I find mention of Joel Seedman.
Squats can give you bigger biceps. Just do a leg session involving squats before any lagging body part and watch it grow.
Background is from the metro games I recognize those ice textures anytime of the week
When it comes down to it.. it's ALL a supplementation to: BODYBUILDING.
It's called divine mockery they are making fun of some loser who thinks he's the future of bodybuilding.
All of that s*** is just really dangerous
Yeah, I have to really search hard for places to just show me the basics of weight lifting and training these days. And don’t get me started on some personal trainers. They want you to do gimmicky exercises, when I just want to learn how to deadlift or squat properly without causing injury to myself. And yes while there are many videos out there to learn from, it’s nothing like in person, hands on training to correct you on your bad form.
Most people will buy anything that allows bypassing real hard work. Squats with heavy weight is always hard and uncomfortable but it provides the best results because it is hard and uncomfortable
How do the charlatans even survive all the injury lawsuits
This kind of thing started in the martial arts long ago. US guys cut out what they called "useless for combat" movements of a martial art, and turned it into something far from a martial art, and more iike dance. Stances were only done for kata competitions. The reason being, "Stances are useless in a real fight." It was always beyond me how suburban guys knew about real fights when they looked like they'd never fought even in a tournament where the face could be hit. Their 'fight specific' conditioning training turned into a circus of either who could imitate theatrical Bruce Lee exercise routines, or who could do the goofiest looking nonsense and try to sell it on how many physiological benefits it grants that most people don't know, but it's a 'secret that only elite athletes know.' Somehow those martial arts teachers knew it, even though their bellies looked like barrels. Unlike most other exercise genre, martial artists can have a very painful rude awakening when they compete against those who stuck to tried and true strength and conditioning methods. That's why in the UFC you rarely see barrel bodied men anymore. Not even in the heavyweight division. Not like the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments.
Sorry, but how do these People have the nerve to claim that deep squats and deadlifts may cause severe injury? Yet to them doing squats on bosu balls, explosive box jumps with flailing limbs, or random movements with extremely limited range of motion are fine.
This is the problem with social media. It has given all the charlatans spewing bullshit a massive speaker. GPP (or strength training)training should be the foundation for everything. After that, you can include sport specific movements to improve in your sport, but to throw compound lifts under the bus is just ignorance.
I get the feeling this has more to do with people not wanting to go through the struggle or fight against oneself in order to improve. I recall what Tom Platz said: Nobody wants to squat because it's hard.
Just step into a university weight room and you’ll see similar stuff that “athletic trainers” program.
People doing stupid exercises, with bad technique, slow speed, and too light weights to induce adaptation.
I'm a personal and a functional training coach, I started working at a gym where they wanted me to program my functional training classes like this, which was embarrassing, to say the least, the explanation was that some people are going to the gym just to have fun lol which doesn't even make sense because some of these exercises try to emulate the type of exercises an athlete would do, yet again if someone is trying to "have fun" there is no need for this craziness
Oh god, looking at the lady with the Stiletto heels on made my knees and spine scream. Just being consistent with basic compound movements made all the difference for my degenerative disc and bad knees. Can someone tell that lady that there are weightlifting shoes if she wants some elevation.
The most classic example is the study done on professional baseball players where they added the donut ring on the baseball bat showing decreased velocity in a baseball swing w/ the ring. Swinging a baseball bat with a donut ring is not specific to swinging a baseball bat without a donut ring
If it looks like a high schooler without any workout experience came up with a “sick workout” it’s a bad idea. 7:03 with what you were talking about with the specifics building in strength, any person with enough running experience knows that speed comes from the ass. You need to squat and deadlift and lunge and sprints and weighted carries to get your ass in gear and cut huge swaths of time off your run. I went from 14:10 to 12:30 two mile in 3 months barely running. My rest day nose breathing pre stretch jog is 13:40 now. Before years ago I had to run daily for 2-4 miles a day and push and push and push to get 13:30 average run time. Lift, or lose out.
No matter what kind of sport you do (if at all), you benefit greatly from strength training. And if it is just to help prevent injury.
This is one of your best videos by far. It may need a different title because it needs to make it to more people.
It started off as a video about charlatans but really went to the industry as a whole talking about the lack of awareness on accepted training theories from the Soviet era.
There’s a lack of understanding in the public of this concept. Modern Exercise science education doesn’t really know what to make of the Soviet research.
Zack didn’t major in exercise science in college I don’t believe, so idk if he realizes the lack of applicational skills being taught. Not that it discredits Zack, idk how familiar he is with what I believe is the root cause of the problem.
My belief is that many of them may not even be intentional charlatans. They may think they were taught what they needed from college or their “certified personal trainer” certification. The legit ones like the CSCS don’t do a lot to help either it’s just more raw science with know training strategy behind.
The treadmill ab-wheel dodging thing looks fun as fuck though.
What drives me crazy with this crap is that it gets attributed to CrossFit. We don't do this garbage!
This is what happen when you throw terms that means nothing, like "functional" into training
Push ups, sit ups, pull ups, run 2 miles a day. it isnt hard, do 100s of each, your body will transform, the military does what it does for a reason.
This is the worst argument ever. Option A else still work better then option B despite option B offering results. Speaking as someone going through special operations training, and now working as a professional strength coach there is huge gap between the results our service members get and could get. Those exercises are effective and have their place, but things could be done much better.
I started martial arts when I was 12 and didn't believe lifting weights would help me until I was in my mid 20s. I wish any of my coaches/mentors would've told me otherwise because I missed out on some prime test production. I didn't start lifting heavy until my early 30s. Now I'm also trying to find my way as a strength coach to preach the good word of consistency over a long period of time to get lasting results, I'm not doing all sorts of ridiculous shit, and don't have at least 1 powerlifting world record to my name so eff me, right? PS - Can you maybe touch on this every-influencer-has-a-world-record thing? Like WTF is going on?
It’s funny because Ben Patrick from ATG uses Marty St Louis as his inspiration for the Nordic Curls (and all of ATG). [Marty St Louis was a Stanley Cup winning NHL player for those who don’t know]. The thing is, MSL didn’t exclusively do Nordic Curls. They would have been a staple in his training; but that’s not WHY he was an amazing hockey player. It wasn’t specificity that Ben Patrick would like you to believe. Quads are important in hockey, but so are glutes, and so having a strong core, and strong shoulders, etc. But my hammering home one specific approach and equate that to a result is so foolish (yet so many believe it to be true).
Good discussion. Regular weights are hard enough without introducing, as Dr. Mike notes, instability. These "exercises" seem more like weird cardio, which is not really necessary in place of normal cardio. It seems like it's an attempt to cash in on the cross dress -- I mean, cross fit -- fad, except even weirder.
Exactly. They aren’t designed for overload since they are balance focused and the body can’t produce max force like Dr Mike says. It’s like Fosse cardio. It’s what happens when jazz hands meets jumping jacks. All flash and jerky.
Keep it simple: pull-ups, bench press, dead lift, overhead barbell press, squat. To that add running and swimming.
This is the conversation that really needs to be had in the fitness community. FP and other cults like it are damaging naive peoples understanding of what effective training is. weaponized specificity is the perfect term for it too.
I know it's a dumb question but what is FP
@@anthonygraham8122 Not a dumb question. Its Functional Patterns.. basically a functional training cult led by naudi aguilar. Ive done all of the stuff they offer outside of going to a practitioner and its wildly underwhelming.. not even a system really at all in the first place. They basically take you and help you fix the negative effects of lifestyle habbits like sitting all day and things like that which they are good at but they choose to blame people's lack of mobility and bad gait patterns on lifting weights for whatever reason (weaponized specificity applies here) rather than appropriately addressing the fact that these bad patterns come from lifestyle factors, not from lifting weights. They probably do this because when you realize that its from your lifestyle you can just fix your lifestyle rather than give them money for their "system" which might I add is very poorly organized and really has no structure to it at all (my hypothesis is that this funnels you into their business model because it essentially forces you to seek out one of their practitioners for guidance... which ultimately they are essentially just pulling out of their ass).
@@anthonygraham8122 Oh and to add if you wanna know what FP is all about save yourself the headache and just read Tom Myers material from anatomy trains. Thats where naudi ripped off most of his stuff from anyway.
I’d argue the overly fancy training that “hurts people” is a natural response to the overly basic training that clearly also hurts people. The majority of people hurt themselves using good form on basic exercises that the industry obsesses over like deadlifts, squats and bench presses. There is far too much diversity in the human body and biomechanics to insist that locking your frame into a bar from various angles and various movements somehow isn’t going to cause the same issues as something overly complex. As with the majority of things in life, the answer lies in the middle. MOST people need to learn the basics, graduate from them and get a little more fancy, but also not get so fancy that they’re accomplishing nothing and yet still risking injury.
I totally get your video but calling these types of fancy pants people charlatans while there’s a plethora of fat, broken down and permanently injured old men preaching about strength and 5x5 on the internet to their legion of ‘look-like-nothings but gotta get my squat up because I’m a strength athlete’ rivals any other type of fitness outcast I can think of.
The truth for MOST people is they have to stop obsessing over being strong at these basic few movements that they do on repeat with minimal result. Pretty much everyone can deadlift 315 within their first year, or even months of training but dry hump the platform while making incremental progress and making fun of people loading up the leg press or balancing on a bosu ball. Everyone is just a pot calling out a kettle.
I’m expecting a video showing people trying to out seedman … seedman
It's a psychological phenomenon. That guy/girl we know that lowkey never admits they're wrong, they have to feel like they have found the secret sauce.. It's not in the libraries or the schools, what, with their objective truth and critical analysis.. it's this person I found while scrolling down on the thing, in that divine moment - I finally found the truth..
“training clients in a proprioceptive rich environment” was heavily pushed by the N.A.S.M-CPT certification…at least when I was first certified back in 2005.
It’s wonderful if you’re the head trainer at Cirque de Soleil. 😂
I remember first hearing this from Mark Rippetoe
being strong will rarely ever detract from athletic performance, but the amount of time you should devote to strength training will vary by individual athlete and endeavor
I call these exercises "The Rube Goldberg Method" of training.
6:45 “hey, charlatan, you’re crossing the line, and I’m gonna call you the fuck out”
God I hope that gets clipped it’s got major meme potential
A major reason I follow you is your ability to critical think, as a philosophy major I really apprecciate this level of reasoning. It should be the basic behaviour of every human being but unfortunately it is not. Thank you for what you do Zack
The problem is, those moves are so crazy they range from "this doesn't work, but isn't dangerous" to "this doesn't work and is dangerous, And from "this works, but it's dangerous" to "this works, but isn't dangerous". So the people doing them won't know what works and what doesn't until they injure themselves.
They are manufacturing a mystery in training and people will only care about looking good, so if they are fine, they'll get to the conclusion that the crazy shit works instead of the basic shit works, the crazy shit is just a poorer variation of what works that works from worse to deleterious, and then when they get lean, stop progressing or get injured, they'll have to reinvent the wheel to understand what bs they did that was bs.
Man it's like Parkour,dangerous but it's never gets old and you can improvise anytime and needs a lot of skill😁
The thing about intentionally being offensive reminds me of these guys on Instagram called functional patterns. They (and people defending them) claim that their making fun of other forms of exercise such as basic weightlifting, the hyper mobility people, yoga, and other traditional forms of exercise is warranted in a competitive business setting and that they wouldnt be making claims unless they work. They literally make their brand with controversial ads instead of sticking purely to the facts. Then you try to present evidence of the testimonials for the things they make fun of and when confronted with their lack of scientific studies they passive aggressively dance around the point.
You should do a video analyzing their system or at least their openly visible methodology and way of advertisement.
Box Jumps are also BS exercises. The squat will increase vertical jump better than any exercise.
Martial arts is rampant with it. Usually the martial arts that don’t do actual fighting. Strength training is so important for actual combat sports. And it blows my mind how people still believe lifting a weight is gonna mess up their martial arts ability😂. People are thrown off by how fast I am as a 6ft 3 240lbs guy. And I tell them it’s because I train my damn legs with weights and lift heavy