This is the best review I've seen so far, for some it may be a long video, but for me it's the right time, and with only important info, keep it up. And you also have the T4 Kaleid and Audiotechnica M50x combo haha.
For the short cable issue. Would getting a USB extender be an option? Obviously it would be best to have a single cable rather than 2. But if you can't find a cable to fit the controller, maybe extending the one that it came with is a reasonable solution.
I need a longer cable because I connect via HDMI from laptop to a larger screen. I tried a usb c to c extender last night and it did not work. The extender is 20 feet and works with standard xbox controllers on a cross check. Using the c to c extender, the T4K will not be recognized by the PC, but removing the extender reverts back to normal operation. Prior to that I tried a standard usb extension cable and got the same results.
@@RetroBreezeYT somehow, on my daugthers laptop it worked flawlessly... I'm still using the default profile, but at least i udated the firmware. (Still broken on the main pc)
The KK2 is great and my daily driver, although I do have the analog stick bump issue (which I believe is fixed in production now). Also one of mine (just one) has terrible latency after I dropped it 😅
Is it possible to just make the gamepad work as a keyboard and control the mouse with it's gyroscope? or the gyroscope only emulates analog stick movement?
Being able to map any keyboard key, and doing so with back buttons independently to face ones in order to get two more functions, would make it a pure gem.
Hello, does this controller actually uses the same usual D-Pad rubber membrance or actual micro-switches ? I dont know if getting this T4 kaleid (I can get for $33), which was suggested to me since a couple of months ago or ... T4 Cyclone Pro (can get for $37) I mostly play 90s old games and heavy use of D-Pad, so I always have wanted to use a stiff & responsive d-pad through a controller that would be just as responsive as keyboard arrow keys. Would really appreciate to know any possible help. Thanks for the awesome review!
This one has dome switches for the d-pad. It's definitely not the best controller to buy for retro gaming. Based on your description, you should check out the 8bitdo SN30 Pro+.
I copped one of these but can’t seem to get the headphone jack to work. I’m on PC Windows 10. I tried different modes and was able to get it to work on PlayStation mode. It says it works with PC but not in “ Xinput” mode. Isn’t that the only mode that works with PC? I’m all confused. Anybody else get the headphone jack working with their PC? If so what mode? I’m playing games off Steam.
I wish they had the Kaleid in a normal controller shell. I eneded up getting the g7 from gamesir because I prefer the clicky buttons over the hall effect sticks (g7SE). I just do not like the clear plastic shell. I do not know the feel, but it reminds me of the cheap gamecube controller I had that I would force player 2 to use. Sucks because the Kaleid is the g7 and g7SE combined for the same price.
finaly someone who pronounces the name right. everyone keeps calling it the kalleed (written like they pronounce it). Kaleid (pronounced kalyd) makes more sence. I have never heartd of a kaleedoschope. but i have heard of a (pronounced: kalydoschoop) kaleidoscope. Why is it so hard to prounce the name of this controller. Most revieuwers seem to be unfamiliar with what a kaleidoscope is.
@@RetroBreezeYT sorry if i am going to sound harsh, but alot of gamers seem to be either not that smart, or dont seem to care. This is also the reason alot of pc gaming standards has gone down.Most Games on pc used to have raw mouse input instead of acceleration for example. But because of downgraded console ports (not talking about graphics) whe get mouse acceleration. coding in raw mouse input is also easier then having to code an acceleration curve. Mouse acceleration resembles how rightstick camera functions on console. Different amounts of Aim acceleration are aplied to the camera depending on how far you tilt the stick. With a mouse theire will be different amounts of acceleration applied to the camera based on the speed of your mouse movements. I am a avid gyro player on pc. So i want raw mouse input. for the gyro aim acceleration is kind of workable, but for flickstick this will not work. Both gyro and flickstick needs raw mouse value's. In steam you just need to figure out the amout of pixels per rotation needed for a full 360 degrees turn. Then that gets mapped to the rightstick. Now you can press the stick in any angle and the camera will snapp to that. Alot of new gyro players seem to find this a difficult concept to grasp. But flickstick locks the stick to the x axis like splatoon also does. That is wehere jibbsmart (the creator of flickstick ) got the idea from. Now you can no longeruse the stick to look up and down. you would need the gyro for that. You can also rotate the camera 360 by turning the stick 360 degrees. I only flick when i am aiming. When i look around i use the sweeping roation of the stick more. The stick is nwo a 1:1 translation of 360 degrees.
I think imma buy one 😂 but I’d still rather have a Bluetooth controller with a battery in it to play games on my steam deck but beggars cant be choosers right 😅but I also wanted to tell you you might want to try out a gaming headset with a 3.5mm Jack it’s what I use on my steam deck works great but if I just plug in head phones with out the mic for listening to music and try to use that for game chat it does the same to me I think it’s because the focus of the software in the 3.5mm Jack is to have a headset with a mic other wise when in a game you need a mic for gaming and you only have the headphones in then it will try to use the next available mic that will be on your device that your playing so I think that’s what’s causing the audio problems its made for game chat and as much for movies or music idk really but you can still give it a try and lmk what you think and although I’ve bought a lot of phone controllers and phone cases with shoulder buttons made into it for air triggers I’ve always had bad luck with any of GameSir’s products but only when it regards anything from Apple as soon as Apple does a software update they always mess up the controller support and then gamesir they never fix it to work again 😂 but in my experience pc and android and Xbox and playstation seem to be fine with most there products great video man thanks 🙌🏼🤘🏼
can anyone that owns one of these tell me how soft the dpads are? i play mostly soulsborne pvp and im hoping this has a soft feel to it similar to a dualshock 4 since i like being able to go through menus fast with the dpad. currently using a Q300 controller which has a very stiff dpad and needs quite a bit of force to push down compared to my old dualshock 4
@@RetroBreezeYT oh god pls haha I want it already. I didn't know that thanks edit: and if it's quality 2.4 maybe I won't need another controller ever 😬
your comparison of how the steam controller gyro works vs the gyro on this controller is not entiarly fair. The method you descibe with gyro on this controller will most likely use rightstick value''s for the gyro instead of mouse value's. rightstick is not a 1:1 translation of you movement. so you cant exceed the games camera speed. The steam controller lets you bind the mouse to the gyro. A mouse is a displacmetn based aiming method. meaning it can both translate the speed of your movement aswell as the amount of degrees in realtime. Wich is totally differen then rightstick gyro. Is it possible to bind gyro to mouse on this controller? for that it either needs a switch mode (most likely bleuthooth.) or i needs a ps4 mode. (wich has a higher pullin rate).
Not really a comparison, just mentioning that both the T4 and Steam devices can implement gyro in all games to some extent. But yes you're right, the T4 cannot map gyro to mouse input.
Headphones through controller is not important for PC because PC have proper headphone amps in them. Headphones are speakers, just like speakers any size, anywhere require power amps. Better your amp, the better the sound. Bluetooth headsets are different, as the power, and audio processing is in the headphones. BT are more like "Powered" Speakers.
If you enjoy the controller that much then just get an extension usb cable with a suitable adapter. Sure, a few dollars more……but if you think it’s the best controller, then why not use it all the time.
ACK, WHY ? Why do they always take a dump in the punchbowl by locking the gyro down to switch mode only? 8bitdo did the same thing with their 'ultimate' controllers, not really ultimate if you can't use both the analog triggers and the gyro at the same time, now is it? it's maddening... Gave up and just got an xbox layout ps4 controller, GCHT Pro controller, and it's grand, everything all works at the same time on pc.. just wish it had hall sticks instead of just hall triggers.
There are a few deal breakers for me: Like you said, wired. We need a wireless version. Just as important though is that you NEED a Windows computer! I don't have one and many of its target customers don't either. We need Linux and more importantly Android support. Until then they're not getting a penny from me and many others. Otherwise it's an amazing controller and you did a fantastically comprehensive review. Thanks. 👍
You get a lot of options for customization without the windows app but yeah, a Linux version would be nice for sure. The controller itself does work great on Linux though.
Exclusive Linux user here and I just ordered one. I wish there was an app that would give me full access to configure this controller, but there is enough configurability built in that I pulled the trigger. Personally that's enough for me to give it a pass. @RetroBreezeYT How configurable is this controller through Steam? Can you configure the gyro and stuff through the steam client on Linux?
@@RetroBreezeYT For me it was actually a complete pain to set up. It only works for me in switch mode which I have to manually select when powering on the controller. Also it it tries to boot into android mode for some reason, my computer freezes. Aside from that I love it.
Not supporting a company that is affiliated with eggns emulator. Steals code and paywalls and emulator behind a controller (gamesir controllers) and subscription fee.
No one listen to these youtubers if you plan on using this for pc its not worth it i bought mine and theres so many issues disconnects multiple times snd then cant access anything in game when turned on then another problem where the mic will not work unless in playstation mode and xinput will not allow mic usage also 2 of the other modes dont allow you to play anygame as there not recognised by the game and even the software itself dont recognise the controller half the time
@@RetroBreezeYT no it's not they rolled out an update and it completely janked the controller loads of people had the same problem I've use multiple leads it's not the wire it's legit the software and the controller if you read what I said it wasn't all based on the wire
@@RetroBreezeYT I've even recalibrated multiple times nothing works and it's annoying to have to use PlayStation mode in order to use a headset it's so dumb
Thanks for the in-depth review on this impressive controller
Cheers! It was a really fun one to make!
Getting mine tomorrow. cant wait!
This is the best review I've seen so far, for some it may be a long video, but for me it's the right time, and with only important info, keep it up. And you also have the T4 Kaleid and Audiotechnica M50x combo haha.
They do sell a 3m cable now on their site. Blue, red or black.
Good to know!
Thanks for the review, you showed off a really nice selection of games and uses!
I got mine this weekend for pc fps games and its so good!! I love it
It's so, so good for FPS, especially if you like to use gyro for manual adjustment as well!
buy usb female to usb male extension then it will solve your problem with the short cable
Good idea!
The hall sensor sticks are made by K-silver.
Good to know!
Aren't ABXY buttons being mechanical?
They are, they have an actual switch underneath.
I think they are mechanical, yes but I'm not 100% sure.
They use kailh mouse switches
All the features and controllers provided are great! I will buy it! It would be better to have wireless
This would've been really good with a wireless SKU as well.
Yep I agree! Hoping they make one!
I feel like if it's wireless it won't be 1000hz polling rate
For the short cable issue. Would getting a USB extender be an option? Obviously it would be best to have a single cable rather than 2. But if you can't find a cable to fit the controller, maybe extending the one that it came with is a reasonable solution.
It should work, yeah, I don't see why not!
@@RetroBreezeYT Yes, this is what I use on this exact controller, and it
works great!
I need a longer cable because I connect via HDMI from laptop to a larger screen. I tried a usb c to c extender last night and it did not work. The extender is 20 feet and works with standard xbox controllers on a cross check. Using the c to c extender, the T4K will not be recognized by the PC, but removing the extender reverts back to normal operation. Prior to that I tried a standard usb extension cable and got the same results.
Which cables are you using and what length? @@jasperlit1345
somehow, the app (microsoft store and downloaded from the website) keep crashing...
Yeah the T4K app absolutely sucks. On more than one occasion they've totally removed it.
@@RetroBreezeYT somehow, on my daugthers laptop it worked flawlessly...
I'm still using the default profile, but at least i udated the firmware. (Still broken on the main pc)
Was debating between this and Gulikit KK2 but then the KK2 had a sale sooo..... love the rgb tho deff buying this one next for Player 2 controller
The KK2 is great and my daily driver, although I do have the analog stick bump issue (which I believe is fixed in production now). Also one of mine (just one) has terrible latency after I dropped it 😅
Is it possible to just make the gamepad work as a keyboard and control the mouse with it's gyroscope?
or the gyroscope only emulates analog stick movement?
after usingit for a while. got light stick drift. because of inner deadzone increase overtime.
Did you recalibrate the sticks?
Very nice review
Thank you!
Hi dude, excellent review. Have you tried the FlyDigi Vader 3 Pro? I'm wondering how the T4K and VP3 compare.
Yes, Vader 3 Pro is my primary controller and it has ruined all others for me. It's absolutely fantastic in every way. Review coming soon!
@@RetroBreezeYT Ah great! I'll be sure to watch it 👍
I love the amount of detail in this review! I am also crossing my fingers for a T4 wireless too!
They kind of did with the T4 Cyclone and it sucked... A lot...
good review, mine will arrive next monday my SN30 pro buttons are giving up after hardly using the controller.
Nice, I hope you enjoy it!
arrived this afternoon but it was a GameSir G7 instead of the GameSir T4 Kaleid i ordered, Back to Amazon (Return) urghh @@RetroBreezeYT
This or the G7 SE. main difference are the mechanical buttons vs membrane?
I have a feeling that once i ordered this, the wireless version will got announced lol
I'm still waiting for it 😭
Wired is much better than wireless in terms of input lag and latency
Being able to map any keyboard key, and doing so with back buttons independently to face ones in order to get two more functions, would make it a pure gem.
Yes that would be amazing. And native mouse emulation too!
This
hi. Between T4 kaleid and G7, which one do you recommend for PC?
There's no lock button for the R2 and L2?
How is this controller holding up?
That is an absolutely gorgeous controller. I think I need one to add to my ridiculous amount of controllers. 😅
Edit: Vanquish. YES!
Vanquish is so great but I've only ever gotten half way through it. One of these days I want to sit down and play through it fully!
Hello, does this controller actually uses the same usual D-Pad rubber membrance or actual micro-switches ?
I dont know if getting this T4 kaleid (I can get for $33), which was suggested to me since a couple of months ago or ... T4 Cyclone Pro (can get for $37)
I mostly play 90s old games and heavy use of D-Pad, so I always have wanted to use a stiff & responsive d-pad through a controller that would be just as responsive as keyboard arrow keys.
Would really appreciate to know any possible help.
Thanks for the awesome review!
This one has dome switches for the d-pad. It's definitely not the best controller to buy for retro gaming. Based on your description, you should check out the 8bitdo SN30 Pro+.
Already love my King Kong Pro 2.
I love mine too but I definitely prefer the T4. If it was wireless it would definitely replace the KK2.
I'd get a KKP2 if it didn't cost almost 3x what this does in my country
bro do you know? how to change middle gamesir logo light auto change?😅
I copped one of these but can’t seem to get the headphone jack to work. I’m on PC Windows 10. I tried different modes and was able to get it to work on PlayStation mode. It says it works with PC but not in “ Xinput” mode. Isn’t that the only mode that works with PC? I’m all confused. Anybody else get the headphone jack working with their PC? If so what mode?
I’m playing games off Steam.
Is there a way to mod the action button(abxy)?
Mod in what way?
@@RetroBreezeYT like change it into other color to match the controller esthetic
I wish they had the Kaleid in a normal controller shell. I eneded up getting the g7 from gamesir because I prefer the clicky buttons over the hall effect sticks (g7SE). I just do not like the clear plastic shell. I do not know the feel, but it reminds me of the cheap gamecube controller I had that I would force player 2 to use. Sucks because the Kaleid is the g7 and g7SE combined for the same price.
finaly someone who pronounces the name right. everyone keeps calling it the kalleed (written like they pronounce it). Kaleid (pronounced kalyd) makes more sence. I have never heartd of a kaleedoschope. but i have heard of a (pronounced: kalydoschoop) kaleidoscope. Why is it so hard to prounce the name of this controller. Most revieuwers seem to be unfamiliar with what a kaleidoscope is.
Hahaha I know right?! I didn't understand why nobody else was making the Kaleidoscope connection!
@@RetroBreezeYT sorry if i am going to sound harsh, but alot of gamers seem to be either not that smart, or dont seem to care. This is also the reason alot of pc gaming standards has gone down.Most Games on pc used to have raw mouse input instead of acceleration for example. But because of downgraded console ports (not talking about graphics) whe get mouse acceleration. coding in raw mouse input is also easier then having to code an acceleration curve.
Mouse acceleration resembles how rightstick camera functions on console. Different amounts of Aim acceleration are aplied to the camera depending on how far you tilt the stick. With a mouse theire will be different amounts of acceleration applied to the camera based on the speed of your mouse movements.
I am a avid gyro player on pc. So i want raw mouse input. for the gyro aim acceleration is kind of workable, but for flickstick this will not work. Both gyro and flickstick needs raw mouse value's. In steam you just need to figure out the amout of pixels per rotation needed for a full 360 degrees turn. Then that gets mapped to the rightstick. Now you can press the stick in any angle and the camera will snapp to that.
Alot of new gyro players seem to find this a difficult concept to grasp. But flickstick locks the stick to the x axis like splatoon also does. That is wehere jibbsmart (the creator of flickstick ) got the idea from. Now you can no longeruse the stick to look up and down. you would need the gyro for that. You can also rotate the camera 360 by turning the stick 360 degrees.
I only flick when i am aiming. When i look around i use the sweeping roation of the stick more. The stick is nwo a 1:1 translation of 360 degrees.
I think imma buy one 😂 but I’d still rather have a Bluetooth controller with a battery in it to play games on my steam deck but beggars cant be choosers right 😅but I also wanted to tell you you might want to try out a gaming headset with a 3.5mm Jack it’s what I use on my steam deck works great but if I just plug in head phones with out the mic for listening to music and try to use that for game chat it does the same to me I think it’s because the focus of the software in the 3.5mm Jack is to have a headset with a mic other wise when in a game you need a mic for gaming and you only have the headphones in then it will try to use the next available mic that will be on your device that your playing so I think that’s what’s causing the audio problems its made for game chat and as much for movies or music idk really but you can still give it a try and lmk what you think and although I’ve bought a lot of phone controllers and phone cases with shoulder buttons made into it for air triggers I’ve always had bad luck with any of GameSir’s products but only when it regards anything from Apple as soon as Apple does a software update they always mess up the controller support and then gamesir they never fix it to work again 😂 but in my experience pc and android and Xbox and playstation seem to be fine with most there products great video man thanks 🙌🏼🤘🏼
Get a usb extender cable if it's not long enough for you.
May i ask if a 5v 3a charger is safe to use on my rg35xx
Yes, it's safe to use a higher amperage charger, so the 5v 2A should work fine and be safe.
14:32 Same Quality
can anyone that owns one of these tell me how soft the dpads are?
i play mostly soulsborne pvp and im hoping this has a soft feel to it similar to a dualshock 4 since i like being able to go through menus fast with the dpad.
currently using a Q300 controller which has a very stiff dpad and needs quite a bit of force to push down compared to my old dualshock 4
The dpad is very light in my opinion, barely any travel and easy to click.
Man if only they made wireless 😩
They've been teasing a new wireless multiplatform controller... I am really hoping for a wireless T4K!
@@RetroBreezeYT oh god pls haha I want it already. I didn't know that thanks
edit: and if it's quality 2.4 maybe I won't need another controller ever 😬
your comparison of how the steam controller gyro works vs the gyro on this controller is not entiarly fair. The method you descibe with gyro on this controller will most likely use rightstick value''s for the gyro instead of mouse value's. rightstick is not a 1:1 translation of you movement. so you cant exceed the games camera speed. The steam controller lets you bind the mouse to the gyro. A mouse is a displacmetn based aiming method. meaning it can both translate the speed of your movement aswell as the amount of degrees in realtime. Wich is totally differen then rightstick gyro.
Is it possible to bind gyro to mouse on this controller? for that it either needs a switch mode (most likely bleuthooth.) or i needs a ps4 mode. (wich has a higher pullin rate).
Not really a comparison, just mentioning that both the T4 and Steam devices can implement gyro in all games to some extent. But yes you're right, the T4 cannot map gyro to mouse input.
Headphones through controller is not important for PC because PC have proper headphone amps in them.
Headphones are speakers, just like speakers any size, anywhere require power amps. Better your amp, the better the sound.
Bluetooth headsets are different, as the power, and audio processing is in the headphones. BT are more like "Powered" Speakers.
If you enjoy the controller that much then just get an extension usb cable with a suitable adapter. Sure, a few dollars more……but if you think it’s the best controller, then why not use it all the time.
Good point!
Does it vibrate while shooting? Or does it have full vibration support like ds4?
ACK, WHY ? Why do they always take a dump in the punchbowl by locking the gyro down to switch mode only? 8bitdo did the same thing with their 'ultimate' controllers, not really ultimate if you can't use both the analog triggers and the gyro at the same time, now is it? it's maddening... Gave up and just got an xbox layout ps4 controller, GCHT Pro controller, and it's grand, everything all works at the same time on pc.. just wish it had hall sticks instead of just hall triggers.
What do you mean by that? The gyro works great on any mode
There are a few deal breakers for me:
Like you said, wired. We need a wireless version.
Just as important though is that you NEED a Windows computer! I don't have one and many of its target customers don't either. We need Linux and more importantly Android support. Until then they're not getting a penny from me and many others.
Otherwise it's an amazing controller and you did a fantastically comprehensive review. Thanks. 👍
You get a lot of options for customization without the windows app but yeah, a Linux version would be nice for sure. The controller itself does work great on Linux though.
Exclusive Linux user here and I just ordered one. I wish there was an app that would give me full access to configure this controller, but there is enough configurability built in that I pulled the trigger. Personally that's enough for me to give it a pass.
@RetroBreezeYT How configurable is this controller through Steam? Can you configure the gyro and stuff through the steam client on Linux?
@@RetroBreezeYT For me it was actually a complete pain to set up. It only works for me in switch mode which I have to manually select when powering on the controller. Also it it tries to boot into android mode for some reason, my computer freezes. Aside from that I love it.
Not supporting a company that is affiliated with eggns emulator. Steals code and paywalls and emulator behind a controller (gamesir controllers) and subscription fee.
Got zero issue with the IP borrowing, it's the monitization, and doing it in such a scummy way, that is the piss off.
Can you explain?
Fair enough I guess 🤷♂️
@@Superdazzu2egg ns is a paid android switch emulator that stole code from yuzu and ryujinx. Widely hated
Ugh, if it's wired then what's the point?
Some people are looking for wired pads! But yeah, I hope they end up doing a wireless one
Less latency, never goes dead, and wire can be extended with usb extension if needed.
The point is to connect it to a usb? Tf?
No one listen to these youtubers if you plan on using this for pc its not worth it i bought mine and theres so many issues disconnects multiple times snd then cant access anything in game when turned on then another problem where the mic will not work unless in playstation mode and xinput will not allow mic usage also 2 of the other modes dont allow you to play anygame as there not recognised by the game and even the software itself dont recognise the controller half the time
Is it an issue with your cable? Mine is Stoll working perfectly after all this time
@@RetroBreezeYT no it's not they rolled out an update and it completely janked the controller loads of people had the same problem I've use multiple leads it's not the wire it's legit the software and the controller if you read what I said it wasn't all based on the wire
@@RetroBreezeYT I've even recalibrated multiple times nothing works and it's annoying to have to use PlayStation mode in order to use a headset it's so dumb
Cuz the controller is not compatible for Playstation and Xbox, Only Switch, PC and Android
@@ScallywagRage im on pc dimbo and this was 2 monhs ago
Not expecting an answer but does this work if plugged into the Jsaux Steamdeck Dock (USB A Socket), and work on the Steam Deck straight away?
It will work perfectly right away!