Fellow Gretsch owner. I've found that the die-cast hoops like to be tuned in SMALL increments. As in, no more than a quarter-turn at a time. Also, they're not as forgiving as triple-flanged, so the closer the top/bottom heads are tuned to each other (at whatever pitch) the more sustain and resonance you will get. If they start to drift apart even moderately, the sustain dies off. With all that in mind, I've been able to get a ton of great-sounding tuning range out of my Gretsches.
I like to tune my toms pretty high, so the lugs stay put, and don't loosen and de-tune after 30 minutes of beating. And you get a nice open note, and a good rebound with the sticks.
It's interesting how working drummers don't make a big deal out of tuning, I mean of course it's important to have a decent sounding drum, but if you hit it right you can make drum sound awesome even if it's slightly out of tune, just listen to the early Steve Gadd, the drums were so dead they would resurrect any minute but in the context of music they sounded beautiful.
How do I tune the batter head to ensure it still “feels” good in relation to the bottom head?? When I try different methods, I end up with a “not so good” feeling “Tom
What does "feels good" mean to you? What sound and feel are you looking for? Are there any drummers that have the sound you want? A good place to start is Ron Brown's website and his tuning video. If you use his method, you'll be able to tune quickly and have a useable sound. Once you've done that, you can experiment with where you want to go. Are you tuning for a specific type of music or just in general?
I generally like to tune the bottom head a little higher. This makes it so that the bottom head sends a little bit of energy back to the top making the top not feel so sluggish. Spend some extra time tuning up your bottom head and you might be surprised with your results. 👊🏼
I have a 22'' kick and also don't have a hole in the resonant head. I love the resonance and rebound this gives me. I am, however, not in a position where I have the same sound guy every night, so should I add a hole? I'm in a rock band, but with the music we play, I think it sounds a lot better to have a relatively open and resonating sound, so not sure what I should do here from a micing perspective...
Hi Kees, Have you tried mic'ing your bass drum from the batter side? When I play my 18" with no hole in the front and I have a house sound man, I mic from the batter side, coming in from in-between my floor and bass drum hoop. I aim the mic at where the beater is hitting the head and I keep the mic about 3 inches away from the impact point...I usually use and Audix D6 is it's available. This usually gives me a nice round tone... I hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions, SM
@@stantonmooremusic Thank you for your answer! I have not tried that, partially because my band hasn't played many gigs yet and isn't in a position yet where we get to use our own gear every gig. Assuming we will eventually play some gigs with my own drumset, but won't have our own sound guy, should I then swallow my pride and tune the bassdrum a little lower, or should I try to tell the local sound guy what you just told me? Thanks again for your swift reply, much appreciated.
Kees Houx That’s a good question… And there’s no easy answer. If you show up without a hole in the front head most sound guys just throw their hands in the air. I know great drummers who like to have no hole in the front head, but when working with sound men other than their own, they’ll just surrender and put a hole in the head. For my in town drums, where I don’t have my own sound man, I have a hole in the front of my 20... I just got tired of fighting sound men all the time 😂
@@stantonmooremusic You know, I was worried about that when I decided to go for no hole, but I figured a proper sound guy should know his craft... Sigh, I'll just see how far I can get without one. My band is actually working with a guy who should become our regular sound guy, the question just is whether we'll actually get to make use of him anytime soon... Ah, the struggles of young/unknown (or both) musicians and bands. Anyway, thank you very much for taking your time to answer my questions, Much appreciated:)
@@stantonmooremusic I laugh when the sound guys say.... "No hole!" My always response is..... "and there never will be!" I prefer the sound and feel of having the "make the sound guy crazy" no hole! Always love watching you play Stanton! Thanks and Blessings!!!
I love all brands of drums. I got Tama. Tuning is too much of an art on drums. The art of close enough. It always takes way too long. I’m considering the welch tuning system.
So kick ass. Your practical working drummers approach is a breath of fresh air, and helps that tuning anxiety that non professionals often suffer.
Thank you! 🙏🏼
In the 60s one of my teachers gave me great advice. And it was this - detune a drum and then retune it daily.
Love the sheer energy you project!
Thank you!
Man... You ALL Kooked OUT!!
That drum opening track OMG!!!
🙏🏼
Tuning a 12" Gretsch tom is a labor of love. Total PITA to get it right, but one of the best sounding toms if you can get it to the sweet spot.
Fellow Gretsch owner. I've found that the die-cast hoops like to be tuned in SMALL increments. As in, no more than a quarter-turn at a time. Also, they're not as forgiving as triple-flanged, so the closer the top/bottom heads are tuned to each other (at whatever pitch) the more sustain and resonance you will get. If they start to drift apart even moderately, the sustain dies off. With all that in mind, I've been able to get a ton of great-sounding tuning range out of my Gretsches.
my 12" brooklyn tom is the easiest tom I've ever tuned
I like to tune my toms pretty high, so the lugs stay put, and don't loosen and de-tune after 30 minutes of beating. And you get a nice open note, and a good rebound with the sticks.
Lug locks are a great way to keep the tuning happening Brother! 🙏
@@costageoref3309 Thanks! I don't really need lug locks, but thanks. Might be more useful if the drum is loose tension and the lugs want to de-tune
Super profi! Danke schön!
That is a sick beat!
11:33 Stanton: *hits it*
Me: that sounds aweso-
Stanton: NO
Me: ok :'(
I was literally just going to ask you this on IG yesterday! thank you!!!
What was the sticking for the groove you were playing with the pandiero? Love your playing and enthusiasm
Michael It’s LLRL-RLRR... glad to hear you’re digging what I’m doing...Thank you for reaching out!!!
I’d love to see a section on snare drums... the pain of my existence!
Here ya go! ua-cam.com/video/2oXIBdlkB-M/v-deo.html
i just use a drum dial lol works in loud clubs, if you have the numbers/ settings saved.
It's interesting how working drummers don't make a big deal out of tuning, I mean of course it's important to have a decent sounding drum, but if you hit it right you can make drum sound awesome even if it's slightly out of tune, just listen to the early Steve Gadd, the drums were so dead they would resurrect any minute but in the context of music they sounded beautiful.
Great points! 🙌🏼
How do I tune the batter head to ensure it still “feels” good in relation to the bottom head?? When I try different methods, I end up with a “not so good” feeling “Tom
What does "feels good" mean to you? What sound and feel are you looking for? Are there any drummers that have the sound you want? A good place to start is Ron Brown's website and his tuning video. If you use his method, you'll be able to tune quickly and have a useable sound. Once you've done that, you can experiment with where you want to go. Are you tuning for a specific type of music or just in general?
I generally like to tune the bottom head a little higher. This makes it so that the bottom head sends a little bit of energy back to the top making the top not feel so sluggish. Spend some extra time tuning up your bottom head and you might be surprised with your results. 👊🏼
Great job Stanton, super informative man!
Yes indeed!!! Great stuff once again!!
🥁🥁😁🥁😁🥁😁😁
Thanks Nick!
@@stantonmooremusic"it doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be good" is my new moto from now on. thanks mr. Moore. love ya!
cool! Which exact felt Beaters are those on the Main Pedal? ;)
M. Miro that’s the
DWsm103.
dwdrums.com/factoryaccessories/fa.asp?sKITNAME=dwsm103
I use them on all my pedals... thanks! SM
I have a 22'' kick and also don't have a hole in the resonant head. I love the resonance and rebound this gives me. I am, however, not in a position where I have the same sound guy every night, so should I add a hole? I'm in a rock band, but with the music we play, I think it sounds a lot better to have a relatively open and resonating sound, so not sure what I should do here from a micing perspective...
Hi Kees, Have you tried mic'ing your bass drum from the batter side? When I play my 18" with no hole in the front and I have a house sound man, I mic from the batter side, coming in from in-between my floor and bass drum hoop. I aim the mic at where the beater is hitting the head and I keep the mic about 3 inches away from the impact point...I usually use and Audix D6 is it's available. This usually gives me a nice round tone... I hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions, SM
@@stantonmooremusic Thank you for your answer! I have not tried that, partially because my band hasn't played many gigs yet and isn't in a position yet where we get to use our own gear every gig. Assuming we will eventually play some gigs with my own drumset, but won't have our own sound guy, should I then swallow my pride and tune the bassdrum a little lower, or should I try to tell the local sound guy what you just told me? Thanks again for your swift reply, much appreciated.
Kees Houx That’s a good question… And there’s no easy answer. If you show up without a hole in the front head most sound guys just throw their hands in the air. I know great drummers who like to have no hole in the front head, but when working with sound men other than their own, they’ll just surrender and put a hole in the head. For my in town drums, where I don’t have my own sound man, I have a hole in the front of my 20... I just got tired of fighting sound men all the time 😂
@@stantonmooremusic You know, I was worried about that when I decided to go for no hole, but I figured a proper sound guy should know his craft... Sigh, I'll just see how far I can get without one. My band is actually working with a guy who should become our regular sound guy, the question just is whether we'll actually get to make use of him anytime soon... Ah, the struggles of young/unknown (or both) musicians and bands. Anyway, thank you very much for taking your time to answer my questions, Much appreciated:)
@@stantonmooremusic I laugh when the sound guys say.... "No hole!" My always response is..... "and there never will be!" I prefer the sound and feel of having the "make the sound guy crazy" no hole! Always love watching you play Stanton! Thanks and Blessings!!!
He looks like Bill Bruford...kinda creepy haha!
Great stuff, enjoy the playing
I love all brands of drums. I got Tama. Tuning is too much of an art on drums. The art of close enough. It always takes way too long. I’m considering the welch tuning system.
Never seen anyone use the drum key to get the pitch lol
Really? lol
Cheio de argumentos e seus tambores todos desafinados! Lol 😁