Was South Park Right About Family Guy Jokes?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- This video essay analyzes South Park's criticism of Family Guy's joke writing and storytelling. In 2006, South Park's Trey Parker and Matt Stone said that Seth MacFarlane's Family Guy was poorly written as the jokes were interchangeable. This deep dive uncovers the truth about both comedy shows writing style and the merits on both sides of the argument.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
3:23 Family Guy's Style of Comedy
7:22 South Park's Style of Comedy
10:08 The Cutaway Gags
18:05 Similarities and Comparisons
26:06 Better Storytelling
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Family Guy - you remember jokes.
South Park - you remember episodes.
You nailed it
What's your preference? Do you prefer memorable jokes or episodes?
@@michaelfryers1914 Episodes obviously
Very true 🤔
@@michaelfryers1914 *EPISODES*
South Park's ability to turn entire episodes into metaphors for real world issues in ways that have clear parallels when you look for them, but are obscured with absurd humor is just straight up a grade above. Maybe more.
I appreciate that their jokes are "completely diegetic" or... "in the story/world", and aren't just complete throw away scenes referenced once and then all consequences for which are disregarded. I cannot imagine how difficult it is to craft a coherent story like that while keeping it entertaining, engaging, and on topic.
Yeh im not reading all that
@@TYLOTYLOTYLO k, have a nice day
@@TYLOTYLOTYLO it isn't even that long, attetion spans are really going extinct
yeah but there's a risk of going too far up your own hole with this view of south park, it's not actually that deep and meaningful at all. Lots of shows delve into real world issues, South Park isn't alone in that and neither is it particularly unique in the points it makes. But yeah I would agree that Family Guy is garbage and the random gags are a part of it, I have never gotten why people like it, I have never ever watched a full episode that I can recall.
@@RaniaIsAwesomeand its usually not that well hidden what the parralells are now a days
I’m a big fan of the Conway gag.
There is no universe where family guy beats Southpark.
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@@treeandalive1997 Face reveal
@@KentzoSucksAtEditing True, face revealing people who still do cartoon wars in 2023 lmfao losers
Season 1-4 will beat any SP episode 🤣
@@mrOGbobbyjohnsonI respect your opinion... but i disagree with you. i still think south park is better than s1-4 of family guy, even though i do like the first 4 seasons of family guy like u.
This might be unpopular but Randy Marsh > Peter Griffin
I don’t think that is unpopular at all
@@wephilips6651 that’s a hot-hot-hot take
Pretty sure Randy could kick Peter's ass, too. Peter may know how to fight a cock, but Randy's cock is literally magic
Not unpopular
I think almost everyone would agree. Randy may be overused in recent seasons but most people would agree he's a much better character.
I think there should be a contest. Seth makes his own south park episode, Matt and Trey make their own family guy episode. I bet both would be hella funny
YESS OMG I WAS LITERALLY THINKING THE SAME THING
Both would be shit. I prefer south park's style of writing, but south park would exaggerate on the cutaway jokes way more than family guy does. Could turn it into a discord server. And family guy's take on south park would just be conversations. Could turn it on a podcast
no. Because family guy can’t tell a story and south park is a show that actually has a story. Only the south park-made family guy episode will be funny because they are actually funny.
@@natpk5565 dumb
Only one would be funny wtf you mean 🤣
The problem with family guy jokes is that they don't have any consequences. It makes writing the joke easier, but also less funny. I.e if Peter does something stupid and destroys half of his house, and in the next scene, the house is fine again. It would be a lot more funny if bad decisions had lasting consequences. That way, every subsequent scene would be a reminder of Peters stupidity.
Best comment yet
Very insightful.
Like how that one kid in that one show dies in every episode.
@@akobozaske Kenny doesnt die in SouthPark anymore...and hasnt died for a while if i remember correctly. And, when he did, he stayed dead for the rest of the episode.
Pearl didn’t die of old age, she got hit by a car because Brian convinced her to go outside after 40 years of isolation
😂now that's hilarious bro
Bad dog
I always say Family Guy is funniest in random, out of context clips that are perfectly cut. Watching full episodes is never as funny.
Right, this show is easily bingeable as UA-cam clips, but I rarely watch a full episode and NEVER twice. South Park really wins with its rewatchability but family guy does a really good job at that more chaotic writing.
Agreed 100%
@@waterspigot8404 Agreed 100%
100% truth. Family guy funny moments clips are the only way to get enjoyment out of newer family guy episodes lmao
only some episodes, where they redo popular movies, or the murder mystery they did. these ones where good
Another huge issue with the cutaway gags in Family Guy is that if you don't understand the reference, the joke doesn't land. In South Park, even if you don't understand the reference, it's still funny as it plays of the context of the story. Since Family Guy's cutaways are completely random and almost never have anything to do with the story, they are entirely reliant on you understanding the reference.
I have that issue with family guy quite often as they use a lot of references in their jokes and I don't know a lot of the cultural landscape they are referring to.
The best/worst example of this is the cutaway where they reference an old jam commercial. Peter literally comes out and explains the reference, which is funny but many gags would need that bc the reference is so outdated.
In South Part, the ref to Marlon Brando in The Island of Dr Moreau was funny on its own even if you don't know the ref. If you know it, it's a fun touch.
@@michaeldavid6832 see that's truly masterful
Family Guy went Cut-A-Way happy after Seth left ....and it shows, it's done to replace real thought or writing, it's nothing but filler.
This is such a well put video! Thanks!
Family guy : "lets throw shit at a wall until it sticks"
South park : "Let's drink some glue"
Lawful neutral vs. chaotic neutral
@@NearsightedNarhwal the opposite of chaos is order not law ...
@@michamcv.1846they're referencing alignment charts. there is lawful, neutral, and chaotic, and you can pair those with good, evil, or neutral.
Wtf arenyou talking about?
I remember when I first re-watched South Park in my 20s and realized how clever of a show it is. Suddenly I understood all the jokes that didn't make any sense when I watched them as a kid.
Yes same. Liked family Guy as a kid more for that reason.
Now South Park is just utterly genius and you always watch it with the biggest grin 😂
I remember this feeling when I re-watch south park older episodes. The newest ones actually tie into eachother now. Which makes south park more are interesting. You have to actually pay attention to details to expect whats gonna happen next.
Family guy is expecting at same time, its unexpectedly funny sometimes. But family guy is whole bunch punchlines with off topic jokes.
Which makes south park more interesting. Plus easier to watch. Tbh watching to much family guy makes feel dumber.
You were allowed to watch South Park as a kid?
@@Rose-hh7mk Yes
@@Rose-hh7mk I was home alone a lot
South Park’s writing is exponentially superior. The stories are relevant, consistent and funny af.
You got to have discipuine. HAHAHAHAHA, nothing beats South Park in my opinion. The only show i can watch continuously and still laugh at.
I strongly prefer South Park, but you don't know what exponential means.
Futurama>South Park>Simpsons>Family Guy
@@GagsAnimationfuturama is trash
American dad
@19:05 "has no disiprine" Hilarious. That was a great episode, the way they were all talking shit in the car after the class. Man, that really got me in the sides.
Almost 20 years later and people are still shitting on Family Guy's cutaway gags lmao
It's not the amount of punches you throw, it's the power behind them. Family Guy throws a lot of jabs, but South Park's just hit harder.
Or instead of us simply analyzing how 'storytelling styles' differ between the two, we look at the actual talent they offer. The main point of it all. South Park ceaselessly strings together predictable jokes of episodes that are "shocking and fresh", that no one actually ever laughs at or thinks are fresh, while tons of people laugh at Family Guy's clever and subtle dynamics that are always different. Like when Brian follows Stewie hitching a ride in a semi, a flare gun fires spiraling into a massive one-minute crash, Brian sees Stewie get out and swerves to save his life, asks if he's okay what happened, and Stewie responds to finish one of the funniest and subtly crafted jokes in comedy history. South Park does what's expected to be done, and Family Guy does what no one else has the work and vision to perfect. Most of these videos are of guys pointing at all the unfunny aspects of both shows, cognitively missing the actual comedy and enormous craft of writing right in front of them with the latter, and vaguely trying to summarize a more complex issue. In essence, unfunny people prefer South Park because it doesn't tackle humor at as high of a standard, focusing on other TV aspects, however predictable and culturally repetitive. It's always fun to see another 'common opinion' on how much South Park is a masterpiece. One day we'll get a real analysis video.
You would lose a boxing match
@@isleohagger5455 I find family guy to be entertaining, but not overall funny. South Park is both. Of course this is my opinion. I don't see how preferring SP would make someone unfunny. No correlation.
Meh can’t we enjoy both? I mean I prefer FG lol any day but gotta enjoy and respect South Park for sure.
@@isleohagger5455 You sound like the Rick And Morty "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty" copypasta meme. It's really not that deep and the fact of the matter is that SP does a twisted comedic critique of social issues while Family Guy provides more care-free and isolated jokes that don't really make sense as a whole, as said in the video. I don't necessarily think any of them is 'better' than the other, it's just different approach to comedy/satire.
Family Guy reminds me of somebody doing a stand up routine
TLDR both long and short form comedy writing exists
the reason I love south park. is because it's a time machine you can Pick a seasons episode and have a real feel of a point of time in American society year by year.
In addition to this, more often than not, the “point in time” will *still* be relevant, even now.
South Park I like.
So far I've watched up to the start of season 13 and this couldn't be more accurate 😂😂
Family guy was good for time and lots of us know this.
But as an old Family Guy fan, it’s funny how accurate the South Park parody eventually became lol
Yeah. South Park improved a lot over the years for satirizing the current events like an editorial comic strip on newspapers comes to life.
If you ask me now, I get much more entertainment value out of early Family Guy than early South Park. The former was basically a neverending dart shooting contest of jokes and gags. Not all of it lands but it doesn't matter, you're going to get a laugh every two or three minutes. The latter feels like it relies on the gimmick of watching colourful characters doing adult things, and the character chemistry was basic at best.
That said, I do prefer South Park as a whole. I began to fall out of Family Guy when I reached the first seasons Seth MacFarlane wasn't properly involved with, it seems like every episode has a few drawn-out gags that lose their luster very quickly, and it just got boring as a result. I'm still watching South Park today, with the Streaming Wars specials containing some of the best writing I've witnessed in adult animation yet. Whoever came up with the idea of tying the breast implants subplot to the main plot of fighting a drought deserves an award, that is cohesive storytelling at its finest.
@@fictionalmediabully9830 boring comment for a boring taste
@@alcyonae
Okay, care to elaborate why I reek of boredom?
Back in the day, Seth would defend his writers. But now? I don’t think so.
Very well done. Learned alot from this.
Great breakdown. Didn’t show bias either way. I think the storyline writing is more artistic as opposed to one liners. But hey I liked Dane cook back in the day as well as Mark Normand now. Both absolutely can be creative and funny styles of writing.
Cutaways are not hard to write. Let me demonstrate.
"Oh God Lois, this is worse than that time I went to an arcade with Michael J. Fox."
-Cut away to Peter and Michael J. Fox inside an arcade, next to a claw machine trying to grab a plushie.
-MJF is maneuvering the claw and it is of course taking him way too long because of his Parkinson's. This stretches the scene for an entire minute, with Peter looking on in silence.
-MJF finally activates the claw. It goes down but doesn't grab any plushie.
-Peter says "Can I try now?"
-End cutaway
(This took me 3 and a half minutes to come up with and write. On my phone while in bed.)
😂
Omg thats fucking hilarious 😢 I'm convinced it was actually on family guy. Making fun of celebrities and someone whose crippled 😅
And its funny. I dont see your point.
Ok, now I’ll write a South Park scene;
Vomit, diarrhea, AIDS joke
The end
I hate how this would 100% fit in a family guy episode
My favorite thing about South Park is when I remember a single part, I’m flooded with a dozen other funny things all related to that single part. Entire episodes are extremely memorable and impactful
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It wasn't until seeing this video that I realized why I didn't like the Family Guy. I have tried watching it a number of times and the jokes never land for me. They seem cringe or forced or pedestrian. Just inserted and you feel like you are supposed to laugh but I don't like being compelled to laugh on queue. You cannot argue with their success and many people like them but the show just doesn't resonate with me. I enjoyed American Dad though it isn't half as good as south park.
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Very well articulated. I had a chip on my shoulder with Family Guy and could not figure out why until I watched this video. Being a guy from 79 I very much grew up with and have loved SP from the beginning. FG simply doesn't cut it, even if I compared to other millennial shows like Rick & Morty. In common they have this underlying thread which suggests "meaning is arbitrary, nothing really matters, blah blah blah let's just go crazy." SP has way more empathy for the characters and the audience. These shows will be studied centuries ahead for their accuracy in displaying the rapid moral shift from cynicism to nihilism, exposing the spiritual malaise of the turn of the millennium in vivid colours. The desperation of the self-conscious West screaming out ever louder between the lines.
A completely unnecessary examination that took up 32:20 of my life - minus the parts I skipped through + the time I spent reading some of the comments + the time it took to write this comment. It's all entertaining and who really cares anyway. I feel we benefit from having all these various animated shows and the opportunity to argue over which is better. Big fan of R&M personally, but I also laugh a lot at SP and FG and many, many others. Thanks to all that produce this content. I hope AI doesn't put too many of you out of a job.
South Park has genuinely great and well written stories and jokes, and family guy has funny slapstick humor that's basically it for me.
I think both have their own place in entertainment. I've laughed at and enjoyed both.
Family Guy has genuinely great and original type of humor, which is inappropriate sometimes, but most of the value is the unexpected and in some way unique factor, theres not another show with same humor as FG.
South park on the other hand, surely has better written story, but most of the value is in everybody swearing, kids yelling at their parents, disgustingly portraied gays and humoring nazis... it's trying to be that extra cool and tough guy, who dares to do anything... but it's stale. those "inappropriate" themes are still the same after more than 15 years.
And talk to me about "using only the best of their ideas" in SP, when theres a literal sausage and a poop as characters.
@@androidtalking "Family Guy has generally great and original type of humor"
You must not be talking about the 10 cutaway gags Family Guy averages per episode. I literally did the math. The Family Guy writers didn't even come up with that format. It's existed berore.
"Most of the value is in the unexpected and in some way unique factor"
Dude... Family Guy jokes are not unexpected. Most of them are: "Boy, this is crazier than the time I" or "Gee, that's even more insane than that time (insert random celebrity name) did (insert wacky scenario)". If by "unexpected", you meant "formulaic" then hey, you win.
"There's not another show with the same humor as FG"
Yh, thank God! If every show had 10 cutaway gags per episode, I'd blow my brains out. There might be a good reason why writers don't want to make their show seem like FG.
"South Park on the other hand, surely has better written story, but most of the value is in everybody swearing, kids yelling at their parents, disgustingly portrayed gays and humoring Nazis..."
Are you saying FG doesn't have those things?? Wtf? The show where Hitler makes regular appearances? Where Chris and Meg curse all the time? The show with a gay "child enjoyer" as a character?? (I'd use the actual word but the comment might get deleted if I didn't.)
They say @Grabble is a wise person. Apparently has degrees in several fields.
@@bodyrumuae2914 The second half of your comment does not in any way support the first half of your comment. Try again.
I think one thing worth mentioning is South Parks plot nearly always centers around some recent social issue or people in real life. It’s relevancy and satire on events that most of us may have opinions on makes it hit a little deeper than family guys often entirely made up plots.
Follow up on that: I often aren’t up to date on current events, and as a result enjoy family guy more cause anyone can watch it without context.
@@martyshwaartz971 As someone who did a history degree, I enjoy South Park a lot more because episodes essentially become sources on historical events. Although, at the same time, those episodes don't pack the punch of the ones I watch contemporaneously.
@@davespiller684exactly, they don’t age as well. I’m enjoying the newer episodes but if I decide to rewatch them in a few years when the topics are irrelevant I’ll just be like whatever
Except it goes in insanely stupid directions that then lose most of the connection with the current events/recent social issues it strives to parody. I understand some people love this, but to say it’s not a niche taste is just simply false. Family Guy is more mainstream, easier to jump in and out of, they will always be more commercially successful than South Park. It’s not a big deal, who cares? Certainly not the Family Guy writing staff. The snowflakes at south park however?? I’m not so sure 😂.
@@kaicenatbackupaccc True for some, but I think most of what they make has a timeless aspect to it because they are usually expressing some kind of conventional wisdom
You can't compare the Conway Twitty jokes with the standard cut-away jokes. Yes, it is a cut-away, but the joke isn't in the random setup and pay-off of the normal cut-away, or in the insane length of the randomness cut-aways. The joke is that it is just footage of Conway Twitty.
I doubt MacFarlane would have grouped those in with his original answer. I would also say it may not be hard to write but it is clever, I wouldn't have thought to run with a "lets just play stock of Conway Twitty" and then basically quadrupole down on it when people hated it. I find that level of insane commitment deeply funny and pretty admirable at the very least.
Conway rant aside, the comparison has always been a little unfair to me. They are wildly separate shows from one another and both very entertaining and successful for what they are aiming to accomplish. The fact that Family Guy came back from the dead on DVD sales alone proved that there was an audience for that style. It would be like comparing two meals from completely different cultures with a Good/Bad system. There is a lot more to consider to be fair to either and they are still going to just be different by ingredients alone. Doesn't make one better than the other, just more palatable depending on your mood and preference at any given moment.
I mean they are both animated adult oriented comedy shows. I'm unsure how you see them as vastly different. The whole reason South Park made an episode clowning on Family Guy is because they were tired of being compared to them.
South Park borders on "preachy" and "moralizing", in reaction to the world of politics that is pressed upon us. Family Guy takes a more "Absurdist" approach, which is a different kind of coping reaction, to the B.S. crammed down our throats. There is room for both. There is room for even more variations than this. We don't have to pick one over the other.
Let's think of it this way: You're at a party. Is it more funny for someone to build jokes off the situation or just tell random puns.
actually yeah that is a pretty good way to think about it
and i find both styles are good in thier own right so really personal preference you could say either is funnier I like em both and don't hold a strong opinion of one over the other
This is actually a really good analogy.
@@theotherguy4456 but surely you have to concede that the former requires considerably more skill?
None I’m at a party to get fucked up not hear dad jokes tf🤣🤣
South Park is naturally funny they don’t have to make jokes while family guy makes countless jokes during each episode
I've never in my life laughed at south park i used to watch it because of shock value lol
@@slothstudiosfacundobenitez9749 just not ur humor ig. Ive never laughed at family guy but laughed at south park a lot
*respect my authorit'a!*
@@slothstudiosfacundobenitez9749 i used to watch it when i was younger for the shock factor, but now that im older i just watch it because it's entertaining
@@slothstudiosfacundobenitez9749 I love dark humour, so I do tend to like both at times, but South Park is more fun for me. It's a bit harsher as well lol
South Park crew. It's a scoop of sugar vs a delicacy bite.
Family Guy is comedy whip lash. It has a normal scene then a cutaway that goes over the top then back to normal stuff then it goes crazy again and you never know when a sober scene will suddenly have a random element jump in and start violently murdering people for no reason or "and now everyone is vomiting because Meg" then the musical transition and everyone is just sitting around a table like nothing happened
South Park almost always starts sane, then gradually adds little story elements that ratchet things up a notch over and over (Like Cartman will hear only half a conversation and jump to a conclusion that's understandable but wrong, or the town reacts to the last scene which makes everyone tense and start acting paranoid or something until the paranoia leads then to take drastic actions) until the ending is insane, then it all comes together and reconciles. It's a much more natural flow of actions.
Just put it this way, I grew up watching both of these shows as a kid. Family guy got boring as I grew older while as South Park stayed funny and gets even more funnier
Great point. I grew out of family guy, but I'm still a 30 something year old that watches SP lol
I grew up watching both as well, I like more South Park episodes, than Family Guy episodes. But, at least I get some good laughs in almost every Family Guy episode, but when a “bad” episode of South Park comes out, I realize, I never wanna see that episode again, when Family Guy has a “bad” episode, I’m like, “Well, the story sucked, but at least it had funny parts in it, I’ll prolly watch it again.” But I’d say about 85-90% of South Park episodes are really good, imo, where as Family Guy is prolly closer to 70-75% good episodes. So I do prefer South Park to Family Guy, but the fact about the King of the Hill writers hating Family Guy, makes no sense to me at all. King of the Hill is different than all other adult cartoons I’ve ever liked, it isn’t anything like The Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, or Futurama, or even American Dad. My personal ratings on animated adult cartoons, is.
1.) South Park
2.) Family Guy, King of the Hill, and Futurama (all tied at 2nd)
3.) Aqua Teen Hunger Force
4.) Beavis and Butt-Head (original not the remake)
5.) The Simpsons (charity spot, because I loved playing the arcade game, and the show was a trailblazer.) (But, I literally have never watched an episode of the Simpsons that made me do anything more than just faintly chuckle) I’m currently 36 and will turn 37 in July of 2023. Love South Park, and really really really like, KotH, FamGuy, and Futurama. Wish I could go back to 2003-2007 when both Family Guy and South were almost always hilarious every single episode. King of the Hill and Futurama got replaced by, imo, dumbass shows like Rick and Morty, The Boondocks, American Dad, and The Cleveland Show. Sorry to all the Rick and Morty, Boondocks, and American Dad fans, just never liked any of those shows at all personally.
When I was 11 I watched ALL of family guy until I heard about south park and now im on season 22 and its way better than family guy
@@davesmith4839 I mostly agree with you. Also, R&M were good for two seasons. Since then they have just sucked
You grew up to what 9? Your grammar is abhorrent!
The fact the Family Guy didn't even attempt to defend or fire back pretty much settled it immediately. Not to mention Seth literally called it "funny and accurate" when asked about it by Rolling Stone later
Ah haha I didn't know that 😅
@@lauramac90 Honestly, that makes them seem a little more down to earth.
and if they had fired back on south park you wouldve been saying family guy people are immature. pick one
@@obeseclownlivesmatter8306 no.... we wouldn't lol
@@obeseclownlivesmatter8306 "Pick one of the two options I just made up."
I wouldn't have thought the cartoon responding to the other cartoon was any more immature than either cartoon normally is. 🙄
I prefer South Park overall but I still like Family Guy because to me funny is funny.
They’re both successful comedy shows and both have good humour. I just like South Park more because I’ve been with it longer
I personally like family guy better, i remember watching that more than south Park and I even enjoy family guy more than south Park.
Remember that time when Blank was my easiest way to tell Family guy people why it got old fast. But I will admit after the show was canceled and came back they seemed to have not spam it as much. But OMG the first few seasons it got old so quick.
His rant about the Conway twitty gag is funnier than the gag itself
I heard a rumor thar it was just to troll Fox. He gets pissed when they ask him to censor jokes so he forces them to waste money on Conway Twitty (who they don't own the rights to)
The joke is he's literally making them burn money out of spite.
I'm pretty sure the Conway Twitty gag was intended to be annoying rather than funny
Remind me again what was so funny about it? In fact can you explain the joke?
@William Butcher That’s mostly true but keep in mind that Seth is a student of classic American entertainment and seemingly random musical interludes like that are practically a staple of that time. So its a bit jarring if you’re unfamiliar with it - and it probably was pretty fucking annoying too lmao
@@Chineseisntalanguageapparently It's funny for those of us of a certain age, that grew up watching Conway Twitty on Hee Haw. Like he said, if it was just a few seconds it would be funnier in a absurd way
Family Guy sought more cheap laughs but South Park really went all in on making a crazy ridiculous storyline be funny throughout an episode and that is why I have been addicted to watching it since I was in elementary school.
cheap laughs? So there's a problem with getting more bang for your buck? No doubt SP has deeper and admittedly more often better story telling but at the end of the day a joke is a joke and a laugh is a laugh. IF FG's jokes just aren't that funny to you, I get it but to say it's "cheap laughs" because they focus more on comedy than story telling is kind of crazy to me.
nah, family guy better
you've been watching south park since elementary? jeez, how did you even understand what you were watching?
about the same for me tbh. Sounds like me and bob weren't monitored very much when we was knee high to a grasshopper.@@keane6
@@willykellum7668 a jumpscare still gets a reaction out of the audience but everyone knows it’s a cheap way to do it
I remember not liking certain tv shows when they came out and later rediscovered them under a diferent time and me being a completely different person. Just two examples are 1st the raise in popularity of family guy today, thanks to the mainstream impact of fast and short humor provided by reels and shorts. It actually made the show some kind of premonition to future humor. 2nd, we all love South Park episodes when they deliver after a build up. But they are not perfect, It is very understated the message of the Drawn Together movie, where South Park its allowed to be very dark if at the end of the episode they fake a reflection on the events: "Don't you see?... *exposition*"
They are both great but different shows, even if someone does not like them. They have many seasons to back with empiric evidence.
The Conway Twitty bits are some of my favorite bits because he’s part of my family lore.
I'm convinced that the cutaway gags are to just make the episode run longer so they don't have to actually write more of the story.
as long as it's funny who even cares? As long as it's funny.
@@blaynestaleypro Not really, a show got to have some character development and storytelling, only putting jokes randomly do escape the plot is in my opinion lazy writing. If a show don't have any of this, than why remember the show itself?
@@blaynestaleyproProblem is most of it's not funny or it's forgettable.
@@Lcartner_because it was funny.
@@PvtPartzz then you will be remebering the jokes not the show, get it?
I fell like something people don’t talk about is how consistently characterized the characters are in South Park like the jokes make more sense because you can believe that they would do those things (like Randy fighting dads at his kids games)
i mean that's the key. Funnily the suggested south park cutaway would work fine. Family guy just has stuff you are supposed to laugh.
I feel like Randy is the one South Park character that could do anything, often random stuff, much like a cutaway gag.
or Cartman buying an amusement park just so he can keep everyone else out. Family Guy could probably get away with such an episode using Peter, Stewie or Chris but there's plenty of episodes that show it wouldn't be entirely characteristic of them. Cartman is a selfish asshole which has basically never been contradicted in any episode.
In south park the characters have changed a lot too, is not as linear as it may seem, but in the latest seasons they have been doing it in a much consistent way... I actually like both series but they are different types of comedy
They do the same thing in family guy
Both are great , cutaways are awesome along with the Conway Twitty bits.
0:43: I know the guy in the white shirt is either Matt or Trey but who’s the other guy?
probably a writer or something
Matt and Trey were dead on balls accurate with their description of family guy. I never thought it was a bad show, but it is definitely a bit disjointed and random at times. Simply the fact that it's so Random is more of what made me laugh rather than the jokes themselves.
Yeah the randomness is really what made the show so great for me.
Trey was just annoyed that he tears his hair out every 7 days trying to wrap up a cohesive and entertaining story when family guy can just say "Why don't we just have death show up"
@@Pretzil43 for a while when I was younger I used to record the beginning and end family guy episodes just to be like “how tf did this come from that?”
There is no overarching storyline like garrson becoming president.
Their formula should’ve been changed years ago but yeah fast food.
It’s nice to eat when you’re lazy but you always know there’s better options
I actually find the Family Guy episodes with less cutaways to not be as interesting. There is an art to eclectic zaniness.
its a pretty stupid show to be honest. they both kind of are.
but southpark is better
I tend to like South Park more because they usually have their finger on the pulse of what's happening in the world. On particularly divisive topics, they have their characters in conflict on different sides of the issue.
They used to but not anymore. They’re too rich
Thats why i like family guy a lot more. I have depression, a stressful life and stuggles. I dont want to be reminded of all the bad shit that happens in the world all the time. Sometimes i just want to laugh without overthinking everything and i am pretty sure everyone with a different goal than that will perfer sp.
There it is!! THAT is the true genius of South Park. These dudes write, produce and animate each show the same week it is shown. They've been in the pressure cooker for almost 30 years and, in my opinion, have never produced a dud. Sure, not all episodes are as good as the others but what show is?!? South Park is on a different level as far as sophistication and raw story telling talent and they are inarguably hilarious. You've had the most relevant comment I've seen, thus far.
@@jiveshdonode1271 it’s only South Park relax 😭
South Park shouldn’t be making fun of Family Guys jokes when half South Parks shit is being edgy and offensive vs making actual jokes
I’m gonna mention this because I’m not sure if anyone has but I don’t love how much family guy relies on knowledge of celebrities especially actors/actresses for a lot of their jokes. As someone who doesn’t really care for them it’s hard to appreciate some of it unless it’s something that I happen to know about or couldn’t miss
I'm someone who enjoys both these shows, for me family guy is something I put on in the background so I can hear a funyn joke and laugh at that while I'm working on something else.
But southpark is a series where I watch it to pay attention to it and the jokes hit harder, it can be nice to have it on in the background for a funny line, but it's much funnier when you get the context for the jokes
How to write a Family Guy episode:
"Hey Louis, remember when i did X thing?"
And rinse and repeat
strawman argument go brrrr (south park is still better than family guy but at least view family guy correctly)
I dont get why this do this, as the have american dad which is a much better show...
Bro didnt even watched the video 💀
I think people are forgetting that family guy was making those numbers, if it sells it sells,
And you can't tell me south park is the more quote-un-quote "intelligent" show with as many poop jokes they've got, south park can be a silly show too
@@PalomasMusic666 I think you haven't actually watched south park if you think they make a bunch of poop jokes. They literally make a parody of people with you exact comic for many of the first few seasons
South Park standing up for their morals is showing their strength. Even in the face of being 'wrong' they continued.
lol!
@@adriandelgado6122 true, but I think south park changed what they thought was wrong in a funny way by changing Tolkien's name from Token. Also especially recently they've cut out the genuinely offensive jokes I think.
@@watercolor1040 what the fuck ? Token name doesn't come from Tolkien at all. His name is "Token Black" because in a movie, the token black is just the black character that's here just to have one black character
@@JohnDouille Yeah, this shows much Tray and Matt has changed from what they used to be known for.
@@JohnDouille I know lol you misunderstood me, they changed it FROM Token to Tolkien and now his name is Tolkien. The only one who didn't realize was stan who tells him and Tolkien is like "why would my parents name me something that means the only black person?" It was a way to change his name while still being funny, now all the captions are Tolkien.
Every time you tried to defend Family Guys jokes felt like an adult defending an infant for knowing 1+1=2 but doesnt know why it equals 2
Every time i hear about family guy vs south park i think about the jay and silent bob sketch " papaer dolls man i could've come up w that"
I think a big part of this too is the fact that these other shows hate family guy but they don’t hate American dad. American dad is so different from family guy and deserves more recognition and it sucks that it gets thrown in with family guy and people miss out on a really good adult animated show
American Dad is Family Guy with an alien instead of a dog.
@@christophertaylor9100 lol I feel bad that this is your opinion because you’ve clearly never watched too much American dad. Completely different show the animation styles are the same and so are the voices but other than that they’re written by 2 groups of completely separate writers and really aren’t that similar at all. The writing for the characters alone in American dad is enough for me to think it’s better than family guy
@@PumpkinPie__ Indeed, Family Guy is driven by non-sequiturs, and American Dad is more character driven. The writing and comedy style are quite different
@@christophertaylor9100 And many other characters along with a different approach to storytelling and humor
I think Futurama is a show that deserves way more praise than it gets. The show is so great but it was initially promoted as "From the creators of The Simpson's". I think people were starting to get tired of The Simpsons at that point and South Park and Family Guy were stealing the spotlight, so people just figured Futurama was a Simpson's spin-off, which is definitely was NOT. TBH, I never really gave the show a chance until a few years ago and now it is one of my favorites.
Another thing I love about South Park is that nobody is safe. Everyone (myself included) has watched an episode and secretly felt a little attacked. 🤣 😅
Me and Scott Makinson have something in common. A lisp😂
@@grantrobey4997 “I’m Scott Malkinson and I have diabetes” lol.
I might have no self-awareness but i cant remember ive tried that. I can relate to Nathan though xd
Everybody gonna catch these hands.
When Token was first introduced
13:36 huh
Family Guy is how I discovered him as an artist. I love his cutaways 😂
i personally think the comparison to fast food is spot on. nothing is inherently wrong with fast food and sometimes it just hits the right spot but at the end of the day nutrition wise it's not the best food. same goes for those jokes, sometimes random jokes are funny, and sometimes you prefer those "brain off" shows for the thing they are but it's not as rememberable like a good comedy show where it ties all together and you can think about it more.
Even in standup comedy, I really appreciate the sets where the jokes are tied to the theme. I love it when the comedian takes you down a side story and then at the end it all ties together. It’s like there’s an extra layer to each of the side jokes once you can see the complete mosaic…I think this makes you appreciate all the individual pieces more.
So which one is your choice of the 2?
Depends on the comedian. Both can make me laugh, but tying jokes to a story is more satisfying. It's like reading a book, the reader gets more out of a book because their imagination is making the pictures in their head. A one liner comedian is just telling jokes. A story teller is weaving their life into yours and sharing personal experiences, and making them more relatable.
I agree, I’ve watched a lot of stand up comedy over the years, but if you asked me which one stands out I would say the one time I listened 2 hours for the guy to end with how he banged the girl from the first few jokes ending with never give up on your dreams. I wish I could remember what it was called.
I like funny things.
the type of jokes that go like "let me tell you how i met your mother,dont worry itll all pay off in the end... and thats how I met your mother, thank you evryone for coming out..."
John Cleese once said something like "Don't just put jokes in a story but make the story itself funny" and I think South Park follows that formula well.
Yeah, one should be chosen. If you're going to bother writing a story at all anything unrelated is just padding. Saw dust in your salami if you will. Sure you have more to eat, but the extra volume still isn't food. More isn't better when it's just the crap swept off the floor. The claim it's more difficult to write the cutaways is blatant nonsense. They're scraps from the office trash bin not great literary works. Funny? Yes, but cheap in the context they're used.
@@MrPortajohn I wouldn't say the majority of family guy jokes are even mildly amusing, it's just implied that they're funny so that their loyal followers blindly laugh cause they're told its funny, hence why they fill so much time with irrelevant cut aways. Its not even just lazy writing, it's just quantity over quality and substance. Seth macfarlane pumping as many episodes and different shows out that are all similar in structure (which is the one stolen from the simpsons) really emphasises this.
and who tf is John Cleese and why does his opinion even matter lmfao
@@Quiyum He is one od the original Monty Python actors and writers. He knows a thing or two about comedy writing.
@@Quiyum Woah. He was one of the standout members of Monty Python. How do you not know of Monty Python? They sort of invented modern surreal comedy. Edit: Im bad with names too. Ive actually seen the guy live though. He's funny af.
Family guy makes me chuckle. It consistently provides lightness when you need it.
South park however, while providing me with many chuckles, has the ability for so much more. Family guy never makes me cry laughing for 5 minutes. From Cartman slinking across a stage naked, Randy being attacked by a ghost while he is getting in some quality internet time, or Randy so masterfully solving a puzzle about people that annoy him, any episode has the potential to be something I will remember fondly for the rest of my life.
P.S. If any of you are looking for a good scene to have a crying laugh at, try Black Mirror season 6 episode 1. It may be the funniest thing I have ever seen in my years on this rock.
Family Guy's style of comedy is reminiscent of the ZAZ (Zucker Abrams Zucker) team who made AIRPLANE!, TOP SECRET!, POLICE SQUAD, and THE NAKED GUN. Which was basically throwing everything at the wall and seeing what stuck.
One thing I appreciate about the older cutaways is how they occasionally tied into the story. Like that bull in the china shop one for example
i red it as glass in the bull shop lmao
“I know what you’re thinking”
Or when Peter was a police sketch artist.
One of my favorites was Hitler juggling on a unicycle.
How is this even an argument, South Park is without even a Doubt king of roasting everyone.
Yeah but it’s strange that they seem to have a big ego around the show. Seth Macfarland had nothing but good things to say about the show.
@@Aforestwhore ego is big amongst everyone, Seth is maybe more humble about it then we realize.
Is “roasting people” really the pinnacle of comedy? South Park doesn’t even tell jokes. They just do outlandish stuff and assume the viewer will find it funny because of how absurd the situation is. As bad as family guy is, they at least have a structure to their jokes.
@@Go_away__ I think the pinnacle is what it is for you. Sure sometimes are funnier in general but it's still subjective.
@@Go_away__ Dude are you having a stroke? South Park is way more clever than family guy lol
Comedy is art, and all artists know that it doesn't matter your talent. It doesn't matter how hard you work. It doesn't matter your ability. It only matters if your audience likes it. It only matters if the people who are looking at it listening to it want to look and listen to it. It's happening with music. It's happening in the fine art world. That's just the art world for you.
South Park is a league above Family Guy. The most credit that i could give family guy is the first 3 seasons might be a little better than the first 3 seasons of South Park. But after that family guy falls off hard and south park soars
I think Matt and Trey’s point was, in their show, the jokes feel like extensions to the plot, and in Family guy, they’re just filler additions with not much worth that sometimes relate to the plot but barely even effect it.
So? As long as it's funny
@@reek4062 Rarely.
@@locosword3985 South Park is rarely funny nowadays
@@reek4062 their quality control is still better than Family guy and there are still shreds of the south park everyone fell in love with.
@@locosword3985 It's just consistently unfunny and boring. The shreds are just that: shreds.
Trey and Matt made it pretty clear that they get why people like it, they just don’t respect it from a writing standpoint
You should look up how they handle criticisms of their writing styles…
Honestly they kinda soud butthurt. And i love southpark mind you.
@@Rui301 they guys who wrote episodes making fun of Phil Collins cause he won the Oscar over them hold grudges or hate people just cause? No way.
They make all of their episodes in 6 days. That’s a very non-traditional writing style that I’m sure a lot of traditional sitcom writers didn’t respect. What is a “respectable” style of writing anyway?
@@dqarqeer8603 making it in 6 days isn’t a writing style, it’s a production style. The jokes they write are inherent to the story, which is pretty common, it’s so common that when they sh*t on family guy, the Simpson writing staff sent them flowers and King of the Hill writers said “they’re doing gods work”, so it seems a lot of writers don’t respect it.
The guy who made my neighbor Totoro said he hated tv because you’ll always have to sacrifice something to keep up with the schedule. I think a lot of it has to do with animation quality. South Park can spend more time on writing because much of their animation is done with computer software, vs family guy being largely hand drawn. This is why South Park can pump out totally hilarious, thought provoking and currently relevant episodes within days and use shock value that doesn’t feel cheap, while family guy needs months to make an episode. Family guy is much more visually striking and fluid which is a huge part of its comedy, and while South Park looks is charming it’s definitely less detailed and labor intensive. Southpark sacrifices visuals, family guy sacrifices some writing.
Family guy is sort of like that NAS vs Jay Z beef where Jigga was like “you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song” FG being the hot line and SP being the hot song
Family Guy sometimes hits me with a good laugh out of the blue, breaking up the monotony of multiple failed jokes. On the flip side, South Park is just packed with cleverness in every line, and their jokes stick with me for years after I watch an episode.
Exactly Right. Obviously South Park is on another level, but I did pause the video to read the comments after a good laugh out of the blue: 27:08 Peter brushing the pop up beard bird beaks
Very well put! That's exactly what I think but couldn't put in words!
I dunno why people keep saying this but it's the exact opposite: South park has good situational setups, but not great dialog or standalone jokes. "Cleverness in every line"? What are you talking about? Their dialog is blunt, functional, and generally just matches what we already expected a character to say. What line of theirs is memorable as an *inherently* funny line? I can't think of a single one. (Except maybe from the Sarah Jessica Parker episode.)
@vigilante8374 NO! * Spray bottle to the face
😉
-Kenny always dies
-Cartman fed Scott Tillerman his parents
-Sadam is gay for the Devil
-Butters is a pimp
-The boys sending a whale to the moon
-Water Park filled with piss
-"Why every time a Chinese man builds a Chineae wall the damn Mongolians tear it down."
-Randy fighting all the sports dads
-Barbra Streisand as Godzilla
-All of season 19 which was the first time they created a story arc
Dude I can keep going and going and going.
@@Mr.Redacto I was specifically referring to what you said: "cleverness in every line". Which means specifically dialog, and that was all that I was talking about.
You didn't list a single git bit of clever dialog in response.
Dialog that is merely referring to a visual gag isn't "clever" dialog (particularly if it's a gag that's been done 500+ times.)
I already said up front that their situational setups can be pretty good and original. But their follow-through with the dialog is usually blunt and not terribly clever.
I used to like family guy way more when I was younger. But as I got older I started to appreciate south park’s story telling better
Same here.
Get rid of Cartman or make him less of a prick. Or reduce his relevance to the show. Theen we'll talk.
I like South Park alot, but I love the zero f***s given, subversively dark approach Family Guy sometimes takes.
There's nothing wrong with having a heart, but I just like and respect a good savage edge.
@@davidcatlett4052 south park gives zero fucks dark aproaches every episode
South Park stories are better. Family Guy gets me howling with laughter more though.
Something about Family Guy's humor that I both love and despise is that the jokes can be *really* drawn out at times. I love dry and realistic humor, which is one of the reasons I love other shows like Bojack Horseman. And then on the flip-side, there's the surrealism that can take play. There's nothing normal or hilariously realistic in Stewie getting beaten up by a gorrila for going through an 'this is not an exit' door, but it *is* funny due to the shock factor, the fact that this happened for the sake of happening. But what I really don't like is how consistantly violent Family Guy's overdrawn jokes can be. Yes, I see the humor in Peter choking on a rice cake, but sometimes it feels like a dog-whistle to just get people upset and/or to get people who think "edgy" humor is straight up violence and just... Really insesitive stuff. At least when South Park makes darker jokes, there's usually something to say and it's relavent to the story.
Besides that, when you watch compelations of 'funny moments' or 'out of context clips', when you go to actually watch the episodes, you can actually see how these events got so insane with South Park and Bojack Horseman. Family Guy tends to just... Be insane. That's alright, I suppose, but I personally perfer balance.
And on top of that, like Seth MacFarlane said "is this really worth getting shot over?", I don't think South Park is entirely right with what they say. But at least they *try* to give everyone else some ammo before they start shooting, while Family Guy just shoots.
i think i put on family guy to take a nap or go to sleep with because of the randomness but i watch south park for the humor and story lines
It's never been a problem for me. I love both shows. The fact the styles are way different, it's what makes them each good in their own ways.
PREACH!!
I’m a family guy hater, but that shouldn’t stop you from enjoying what you feel like!
@@MetroplexBias i dont even rlly like family guy but the hole in my soul needs to be filled somehow after finishing south park 😂😂
@@MetroplexBiaswhy? No hate just wondering ?
Your analysis of Family Guy is a great example of "If you have to explain a joke, it's not funny..."
Exactly how I felt watching those stupid clips being overanalyzed lol
As the Joker once said, “If you have to explain a joke, THERE IS NO JOKE!”
They are trying to add onto the joke.. that’s the joke.. if they explain it it’s “weird and goofy”
That wasn't the contention, observation is, explaining a joke is not the same. Like you observing a car crash, versus explaining the physics as to why the cars crashed. Acknowledging something out of context doesn't mean it was explained. Pointing out a lack of correlation isn't explaining, UNLESS it was literally a situation where you required outside knowledge of the person place or thing being referenced, otherwise WITHOUT explaining, just experiencing IN CONTEXT doesn't require an explanation, just pointing out the variables WITHOUT its history or an explanation.
@@steveperson5686 okay… but a car crash is not art. comedy is art, so it is subjective, but there are also widely accepted rules.
the video is explaining that some people do like the cutaway scenes, but many don’t and many don’t get it. therefore, he’s explaining it. he wouldn’t need to explain it if it made sense from the beginning.
There's no problem with having absurd or incoherent jokes as long as they are good, but the key is MODERATION, just the message of the example episode.
I like both shows, but sometimes the Family Guy cutaways can be hit or miss. Sometimes they are laugh out loud funny, and other times annoying and very unfunny. South Park can be more edgy since they are on cable, which can lead to some very interesting social commentary and in-depth storytelling in long format series or episodes.
The thing is, the first few seasons of Family Guy weren’t just jokes without any substance. There were some really good episodes with well written stories where the characters weren’t just assholes for the sake of funny.
I definitely miss the old Family Guy, it was way better than what we have now.
I agree. The last cuople of seasons arent that good and if they keep going like that, the show will die for the.... third time?
The reason most tv series shows die miserable deaths is becaue after a season or two they run out of relevance. The world outpaces them. They can't keep up. This is the fault of the writers of course. That group of elites who are fixed in their opinons and cannot change.
The first few season were indeed good. After that it got really lazy.
god yes,specially when they try to put...memes...in the episodes...i get episodes get dated but you automaticly make those jokes WAY to dated,and they do it constantly now wich is just insulting @@JamesSimmons-gv4ow
I like the opposite. For me that make family guy so different then all other shows and its creative to come up with such jokes that does not make sense to the previous. It is easy to link the dots but to think out of the box is extremely difficult. some may say its lazy not creative but its only show that has every done such things so how a unique masterpiece is same like others and lazy.
I think not even Family Guy fans will deny that South Park‘s writing is superior. However this does not mean that you can not enjoy Family Guy and it‘s jokes. It gave us some very memorable moments (e.g my favorite scene when Stewie and Brian try to act as Santa Claus)
I can’t think of a joke that I laughed to. I only got hyped when Meg finally stands up for herself or Stewie defending her
Brian gets run over by a car and a squirrel kicks him
South parks jokes never landed for me its weird. They try way too hard for shock value and crude, similar to family guy yet it doesn't land for me. Idk, Idrc about either shows enough to argue lmao
@@Garmin316 You cared enough to comment
@@mesotolioma5089 Because.. the video is literally comparing the two and their comedic value. lol, what the fuck man?
1:29: Episode?
that family guy gag you showed of stewie walking through the "not an exit" door to get crushed by a gorilla actually made me start laughing out loud to myself 😂...
Family deserves their flowers because their 'random' jokes are often times really good premises and personally I love the unexpected nature of the show. I never know what direction theyre going to go with it.
The same can be said for South Park, but if an episode is bad in South Park, the entire episode is going to be bad, whereas in Family Guy they may have some gags that arent that funny, but the episode has many more jokes that may be very funny so you should still watch the episode
Both styles are great and I'm lucky enough to appreciate them both :)
on that note, South Park definitely has more rewatchability than Family Guy, this is mainly due to Family Guy focusing on the pop culture of that time era
AND family Guy has VERY good songs/music whereas South Park has actually pretty terrible songs/music
The door cutaway was even along the same lines as an earlier cutaway in which Peter pressed a button that said "do not push" and got karate kicked by a random guy. Both of those could have been used interchangeably
Nah, bruh really?!💀
The funniest 😂😂😂
Peak humor
@@o-kiku3939 yeah really, truth. It like a drop down of situation followed by a drop down of whats there follow by a drop down of what happens and how. Really bruh
@@salintium Wow.
I think being able to tell a cohesive story while also being consistently funny is a much bigger skill, and I think that leads to a more enjoyable show.
Agreed
There never has been and probably never will be a show like South Park. Unmatched in how they take the most absurd concepts, things that would be a 30-second cutaway in Family Guy, and make them feature-length episodes with compelling characters and moments and fleshed-out stories. While also being hilarious. Truly unreal.
southpark hasnt been able to do that in a while. they are much more consistently preachy then funny.
@@nullakjg767 Tell me you are trans without telling me you are trans.
@@kevinathans4191 ? I dint get how trans relates?/gen
I actually love the Conway Twitty bits because they were so surprisingly random. I used to have to listen to him as a child and hated it, so i found it hilarious.
I base my end decision on the fact that I keep rewatching South Park. They both have entertainment merit so I guess it's the combination of the greater depth in South Park. I'm rewatching Archer now. Which is equally hilarious and I feel well written as well. Purely because adding healthy amounts of laughter to your life in your down time is something that is easy to be appreciative of.
I think Family Guy is simply a show you watch to get some laughs without wanting to put too much thought into the story. They start off with a story line, then halfway through they completely deviate to a different topic, so the first half of the episode is meaningless. South Park is also a funny show, but provides a good narrative that goes along with the jokes it tells. The story line for that show sticks with it throughout the entire episode.
Well said.
i generally agree, though South Park has more often crossed the line with gross humor, not that Family Guy hasn't, but South Park showed a live sex change operation, which wasn't at all funny, and i don't believe Family Guy would ever go so low, just as South Park would never insult us with Conway Twitty, so its complicated
@professorbaxtercarelessdre1075 I thought the sex change scene though vile was hilarious
@@hounsdjentlow3074 to each their own, it was too graphic and horrifying to me, but then i'm not usually one for gross out humor
With a b story in the background lol
I think this is why Family Guy is actually so funny on those out of context Tiktok clips. The cutaways themselves might be funny or relatable when viewed in a vacuum. Because they rarely have a solid connection to the actual plot of the episode, when viewed as part of the episode, they usually feel like a hindrance to plot progression.
Family guy has always been about jokes it’s never been about a plot, the ones that try to be about the plot accomplish that very well
@@fiveyup Such as the episodes in which some of the town is invited to that mansion for dinner then it turns into a murder mystery
Why is the plot such a focus for some people's criticism? Do you watch Family guy in the same way you're watching fuckin breaking bad? Just laugh and have fun, their intention isn't to throw you into a deep gripping story.
@@DsgSleazy I never said it's a focus but for an episode to exist on any level whatsoever there's got to be a plot of some sort.
@@Bluefire397 theirs a reason why it’s so successful lol i think family guys fine
Basically Family Guy is like a random generator of jokes while South Park is a comedy based on a central theme
Basically you don't get it. No surprise there.
@@I_Am_Your_Problemwhat’s lil bro so mad about
@@I_Am_Your_Problemim sorry i dont get such big comedy
(Newer episodes) of Family guy always made me laugh harder but South Park definitely has the better/smarter episodes.
The cutaway gag has been funny. The original knee injury scene was amazing for how unexpected it was. The problem comes with reusing this over and over again. Once you expect subversion, it's not subversion and the gag loses its impact over time.
Yeah, that's why shows maybe shouldn't have 400 seasons
@@MrRedpanda2442it has 22 seasons my guy
Crying laughing the first time I saw that 😂
We STILL do that joke, my girlfriend and I. Also, when Lois forgot Point Break, that literally happened to me like a year before the episode. Sand movie.
Family Guy had some great cutaway jokes, really funny, but SP is just an unstoppable juggernaut of comedy genius. I think, for family guy to have kept the original hilarity that it had early on, they'd have to have Seth McFarlane directly involved in every single episode, just like Stone and Parker. They surround themselves with writers who they find funny, they get our humor, as I've said before, they're the KINGS of reading the room. They know what is funny to themselves, and to us.
After Seth left FG in the hands of everyone else,they couldn't replicate his humor. They tried, the bombarded us with cutaway gags (there is great video about the amount of cutaways and the declining humor of FG, here on UA-cam) and didn't truly understand what made the fans laugh. They still have their moments, but it's because we know and love the characters. A new show, doing the exact stories and jokes, in place of FG, likely wouldn't get a second season, while a new show, doing the exact jokes of SP, would likely do well, if it wasn't targeted for cancelation by a mob of offended idiots.
@@Chris-br6xg maybe, but the knee thing was funny. It might be a lazy way to fill time but, if someone is naturally funny and has comic timing, even a lazy joke can be hilarious. I mean, look at "The Jerk" one of my favorite comedies of all time. Half of the plot devices they use to progress the story are lazy contrivances that wouldn't work at all if they were telling a real story. Lazy writing isn't necessarily bad writing, especially in comedy. Besides, sometimes less is more. They could have taken time to fill that with a long, thought out cutaway, and I'd bet that it would be forgotten, like so many others. The knee endures because it's stupid, lazy, and super funny.
I think the fact American Dad exists shows that Seth and his team are capable of telling impactful narratives and writing cohesive jokes too. Does this mean they're slacking off in Family Guy? I don't necessarily think so, I think Seth just liked having a vehicle for him to try out funny ideas even if he couldn't think of a story to build up to them.
And because he doesn't feel the need to tie them into the narrative every time, those cutaways can experiment with some truly surreal (and often still hilarious) ideas that make great jokes, but don't lend themselves to a sensible narrative.
But yes, I think South Park is written much smarter, has had way more social impact, and way fewer "bad" episodes. I can only think of two SP episodes that I found boring overall, and South Park has never "fallen off", it's just as good decades later as it was early on. Yet with Family Guy it seems like longtime fans prefer older seasons and every new season is like 50/50 with good and bad episodes.
So tl;dr I don't think Family Guy is a "bad" show, it just can't compare to South Park. I think only South Park could've gotten away with sh*tting on Family Guy as hard as they did because South Park has so much effort in the writing and has never run out of ideas or phoned in a season.
I think there is alot to be said for how well South Park has evolved over time whereas Family Guy has been a one trick pony its entire run. SPs first couple seasons were light years different from the polished show we are used to now.
As soon as that South Park episode came out, I immediately thought, yeah that's definitely true about Family Guy, I mean they can be funny and all sometimes, but South Park is more of a consistent storyline, and to me, makes it more consistently funny and meaningful.
Which is exactly what makes it flawed, like going too far with Randy's weed storyline
they are completely continuing the story line on purpose because it makes fans angry that they are doing this bit for so long-
@@Officialboss3000lol I’m pretty sure that’s not what he’s referring to
I know in Family Guy,you don't care about the episodes but you go to You Tube videos to see the funniest Family Guy clips whereas South Park,you need to watch the whole episodes in which it has lessons in the end kind of like Jerry Springer's Final Thought.
I think Peter fighting the chicken is a special category of aside. The first was definitely random, but now its much more of an established fact of the show that there's a chicken man out there, and its an established fact of Peter's character that they gotta fight when they cross paths
its not even funny .. relevant ot relatable..
its something you watch while you're high...
@@alexgarcia3610 I don't actually want that much relevant or relatable in my dumb cartoons. I'd rather watch something with a more serious tone and premise for relevant and relatable.
I do think, however, the Chicken Man bit is actually pretty funny. Its a solid example of a manifest contradiction between its undeniably goofy premise compared to the (relatively) grim depiction of the violence itself.
@@InvictusByz I actually like the chicken. It's so random but you get used to it after some episodes. Family guy doesn't make any sense and doesn't need to, the only thing it needs to do is entertain
@@InvictusByz watch the new episode of southpark.
i find the Prince of Canada and his wife wanting privacy while calling attention to themselves while doing so is a funnier example of manifest contradiction while also staying relevant with current events.
Family guy is just low-brow man.
@@alexgarcia3610 South Park is also low-brow, they just string it together more tightly. As I said though. I do NOT want relevant with current events in my dumb cartoons, I have serious shows written by much smarter writers for modern commentary.
And I can't agree that a non-internet example of the Streisand effect is actually a better manifest contradiction.
I don't think you can just decide which one is funnier, it's very subjective isn't it ? I personally think family guy is funnier mainly because of its randomness, cause my quirk is to kinda predict what will happen next. When I watch a movie in the Cinema I kinda picture the whole movie based on the Stereotypes and Happy endings..
I can't watch Horror cause I can anticipate almost every Jumpscare, and it's boring. Same with romance or action Movies.
While Southpark is very random/Silly aswell I can broadly anticipate the whole episode just by the Theme. I can't do that with Family Guy, which catches me off Guard, so generally speaking I laugh harder at Family Guy but Southparks themes are way more entertaining, because Family Guy is kinda cliche in its themes.
I also think its unfair to compare them, they are different Cartoons entirely. It's like comparing Deadpool and John Wick because they are both Action Movies.
Seth claiming his style is more difficult is ridiculous. You can literally have writers who's sole job is to just come up with their 5-10 second cutaway gags and you can have 100's of them saved and pick and choose from them for each show.
Yep...it's like saying it's harder to create a mixtape than it is to compose a concept album!
It's so ridiculous that it's offensive. It's me struggling to draw stick figures saying it's harder than Rembrandt making some masterpiece.
Exactly, you can literally just have a funny thought at any moment of the day then jot it down and save it for time filler when you need it
You think that's bad, what about the time I hired a writer and instead got Gary Coleman dancing the mamba on Mars?
why dont you do it then
I like how you brought out the American Dad example to show that Seth can keep the comedy going while staying on topic of the theme. That's really important tbh. It brings home the fact that we're comparing shows..not necessarily writers.
Different writers...
@@killerluuk Yep
To be honest, while I think that South Park was better written than Family Guy, I think in many episodes where Family Guy tries to seriously say something and get a point across, it shows that McFarlane is a more sensitive and principles writer, so he actually has something to say while South Park often remains stuck in its centrist nihilism. Like compare Quagmires Dad, an episode that deals with actually an interesting question when it comes to trans people, Quagmire having to come to terms with his dad who was his role model coming out as trans and the implications of it and after a honest conversation where he listens to his no female dads perspective, comes to the conclusion that she is still the person he looked up to and that he wants her to be happy.
Compare that to South Park whenever they touch the subject which most of the time results in cheap shots, especially considering how passionate they had been in their early years about gay rights. And I think the fact that Seth actually has convitions really helped out with American Dad, as it allowed for Stan to have episodes where he undergoes a permanent personal progression.
@@shizachan8421 anime profile pic, typical stupid opinion.
@@Mezaph Can you elaborate or are you butthurt because I hurt the target of your paraosocial fixation?
Im offended on south park's behalf that you even ask such a silly question.