LINCspace I’m pretty sure most people understood that 7 character reveals was really unbelievable, but the fact that there seemed to be so much evidence that also happened to tie in with real people and real companies overrode people’s doubts
I believed it casually because sometimes Sakurai is like we can’t get an Animal Crossing Character because they have too much of a friendly style of life, then we got Villager and Isabelle
Wait, he’s in therapy? From what I heard, he was decapitated by the Nintendo Ninjas, who hid his head in Nintendo headquarters and dumped his body in Area 64.
I remember laughing my ass off when Plant got revealed. Probaby my favorite fighter reveal just because of how much chaos it caused it in the community.
Anyone who argued about if Piranha Plant was worthy to be in Smash did not get the point of Piranha Plant. And the people who understood the joke found the fact that people were arguing over if Piranha Plant was worthy for Smash hilarious because that's the joke
Remember when the Smash community thought Sakurai would spend 45 minutes revealing 6 newcomers and not talking about vault and language options? You fools
I don't know if you're joking or not but the leak wasn't saying the Grinch would be in smash it was just some random evidence people used to track down the company
Funniest part about that whole situation is people only started bragging about how they knew it was fake all along AFTER it was confirmed fake. Despite how smart people think they were the Grinch Leak DID have quite a lot going for it.
NixUniverse #MorriganforSmash Obviously. Even people who sincerely did not believe it was real, they were not confident in publicly saying it because the leak had so much going for it. Many people just didn’t want to believe it because it was “not their most wanted” or “too good to be true.”
I knew it wasn't real because if you have eyeballs and actually looked at the image, it looked fake! So I said it was fake and GUESS WHAT!? I was correct. I knew it was fake from the beginning Edit: I commented the word "fake" on one of the Grinch leak videos about a week before it was confirmed fake. You might have only saw the comments of people saying it was fake after they posted it, a lot of people did lie and said they thought it was fake after it was confirmed fake. You are also correct about the image having a lot going for it. Sorry for being so impatient, good luck on your journeys everybody Oh and also it did have things going against it, Sakurai saying only to expect a few characters, and the image having discrepancies. (ua-cam.com/video/ivL1yvVtpfA/v-deo.html)
@@ash_aiden I remember getting into an argument in a comment section where I said exactly "the grinch leak is so fake its clearly just a wish list and wtf would chorus kids do? They only sing". and people started bringing up all this 'evidence' about it and I just kept denying it and the moment it was confirmed fake I went back to the comments and started roasting them and most of them started saying how they were just joking and knew it was fake the whole time. ive never seen people so eager to be right in my life
That's why I don't believe any leaks until they get 3 or more reveals right, only one could either just be a lucky guess or they only got one trailer early like the guy who just had Nintendo's E3 and coasted on that as a "legitimate" source or the people who"leaked" Joker but he was the only character they got right
I saw a similar one on Reddit where the punchline is me when a new leak comes out:I believe every word that man just said because it's exactly what I wanted to hear
@@chrisdippertheirateshitter2653 a credible leaker said ryu hayabusa was not fighter pass character #5 he said mabye in a future be he is certain its not #5
Three other things I remember that I guess argued that the grinch leak was real 1) The mural on the website was cut off (I believe right at little Mac), and in that very spot on the grinched mural was Isaac, so people thought Isaac was going to go there. 2) We saw the leaf healing item (forgot what it’s called) in a new official smash trailer. Of course, never seeing this before, many believed it was related to golden sun I think. 3) Smash announced a direct less than a week after this leak exploded. Which was pretty 50/50 on whether or not they “want to show all the information legitimately before everyone finds out” or “they want to show the real information before everyone gets their expectations too high.” Obviously it was the latter.
Until watching this video, I thought it was the Grinch himself because I saw a lot of videos who did say that it was the Grinch himself coming to Smash!
I just find it funny that the Grinch (2019) was just a boring movie, but it somehow made one of the most famous leaks in all of Smash and video game history
PownicMania5000 It was a terrible movie! Left halfway through the movie because I just couldn’t handle the boredom! Pets 2 (in my opinion) is the single best Illumination movie to date
What's crazy to me is that all these characters are still in the game in some way. -Ken was in the base roster -Banjo got in as DLC -Shadow and Isaac were assist trophies -Chorus Kids, Mach Rider and Geno were spirits.
I remember when I saw Incineroar in that fateful direct I heard hundreds of people Internal screaming as their dreams were crushed right before their eyes,wich was even MORE evident by the Shadow and Isaac Assist Throphy reveals(but hey,at least we got Banjo & Kazooei,so not everything was lost).
^ Yep, he didn't do shit. I was saving heaps of info dumps from this time and even just from memory Aaron got a whole bunch of info wrong and missed a whole bunch of stuff too. Aaron isn't very good at researching leaks to be honest.
For those curious, here’s what actually happened to all the character’s featured in the Grinch leak: Ken: Did actually make it into the game as an echo fighter of Ryu Shadow: Ended up being an assist trophy in the game Isaac: Same deal as Shadow Chorus Kid’s: Ended up being a spirit in the game Mach Rider: Same as the Chorus Kid’s Geno: Same as the Chorus Kid’s and Mach Rider Banjo & Kazooie: Did actually eventually make it into the game as DLC So yeah, only 2 of the characters from the leak ended up being real, and one didn’t even happen until much later, and the other 5’s chances seem to be dead in the water right now.
I'm french, and just to tell you man, even in France it's such a big mystery ! I'm still confused about it ! Such a great and interesting video as always 😉
It's funny to see that every characters of the Grinch leak ended up being represented in Smash Ultimate in some way (whether by spirits, assist trophies or fighters).
You know what I think? I think the Grinch leak was just some person’s wishlist. Like they went and made a banner with all the characters they wanted for Smash. And people thought it was a leak or something.
Me too. I was neutral on the leak, and was actually hyped when Incineroar was revealed! Then came the Assist Trophy massacre to weigh down my hopes, but Piranha Plant came to replenish them.
I’m so happy that I got my bitey Plant boi rather than the Grinch roster, honestly. Plus, we got Ken and Banjo, and I’m 90% sure that we’re getting Geno anyways. Although I DID fall for the leak completely, and I’m happy that the leak existed because not only is it being called the “Grinch Leak” hilarious, but it drummed up such captivating conversations!
Honestly the amount of "Leaks" that people buy into and constantly bring up is, besides baffling, just annoying when they are so consistently fake and unbelieveable (though I will say after Ultimate's release certain things have been more "believable" since at this point it feels like nothing is impossible, but the game is already out so there aren't any leaks going on to make this an excuse). Often people will guess every potential character in their minds and then say it true just because they are convinced that if they like the idea of the character then it is therefore an incredibly popular character which means it HAS to be in smash. When the reality is that if you just sit back and wait for Sakurai to reveal them, the reveal is way more of a fun surprise and the characters are often not ones you'd expect (like Pirahna Plant), but because of "leaks" people tend to hate all the newcomers because they aren't the ones they were convinced are the only possible candidates and they somehow feel betrayed by that. Its stupid and causes so much strife in the community when it's 99% faked, and the 1% of times it isn't is when Nintendo accidentally reveals it themselves, which is often only a day or so before the official reveal. And most importantly: ALL of the characters get revealed before release nowadays so their really isn't much reason to speculate since none of them will stay a secret for very long. Making the leaks entirely pointless even if they were always true, since it just ruins the reveal trailer that released immediately after the leak anyways.
@@SlaterRecordsTV It really didn't. It was people taking dubious information to heart because of their own personal biases. It was only convincing if you were predisposed to believing it to be true from the start, which also means believers set themselves up for their own failure and disappointment.
Chorus Kids could work if they were a fighter just to have as a representative but in their moveset have the other rhythm games show up, but the Rhythm Girl work be more likely
Smash Crusade does Mach Rider really well. They have him off of his bike for most of his moveset, only using it for his side B. Crusade treats him kind of like Captain Falcon, how he's a character never seen without his vehicle and with a mostly stand alone moveset.
I still remember this 5 years later. This leak had too many moving pieces. My expectations never stood a chance. We're lucky that the game ended up being so phenomenal. We even got Banjo-Kazooie!
If you think about it, illumination is working with Nintendo to make a new Mario movie now. So maybe there was chemistry between Nintendo and the studio 👀
Every potential leak would be a mess up from Nintendo since the information comes from them in the first place. What you are saying is believe every leaks.
I dont know how anyone believed this leak. Look at the banner: isaac covers up olimar, banjo covers up mii gunner and shadow covers up mii brawler. The leaker needed some space and put the fake characters over ones not a lot of people cared about so it wouldnt draw attention, but for me it always was obvious idk
I never believed it, I was sticking by Sakurai's words the entire time I'm also glad that I didn't get into any arguments, cause it sounds like they were intense
I was on the side of real when the leak came out for the same reason, BANJO-KAZOOIE. I'm relieved that they're in now, Banjo and Kazooie was who I wanted most in smash, and it's still mindblowing they got in later.
Yeah, I still find it hard to believe it’s been a year since this happened. A part of me wanted to think the Grinch leak was real but most of me wanted to not believe in it. And honestly I’m glad it wasn’t. But I wish I could relive seeing the Ken/Incineroar trailer again, because I lost it the minute I saw Incineroar’s eyes.
And to this very day until further notice. Ken and Banjo & Kazooie has been the sole survivors of the leak. A moment of silence for those that didn't make it... Isaac... Shadow... Skull Kid...
It was hilarious watching the livestream during Twitch and UA-cam. A meltdown of denial from #TeamReal as I laughed my ass off because I didn't believe it at all.
Sadly, yeah people actually believed it. You would not believe how many times I got yelled at for telling people not to put too much faith in a blurry image. My motto: If it's not confirmed by Nintendo, take it with a truckload of salt.
As Tv Tropes likes to put it, characters such as Waluigi and Lyn are too popular and had so much exposure in recent media. Meanwhile, characters such as Ridley and Banjo were out of shape and likely weren’t in recent media.
@@lance2580 What are you talking about? Ridley has been a constant and consistent character in the Metroid series, as well as Smash. He has also been asked to be playable for longer than both Waluigi and Lyn (both of which became popular smash picks around Brawl/WiiU, whereas Ridley was wanted since Melee, if not 64.) And what do you mean by Waluigi and Lyn being too popular? I'm not sure what you mean by that, are you saying they haven't been included because people want them? Even though Sakurai has history of including characters because they were wanted for long times (Ridley, Banjo, and K. Rool for example)? Which Trope are you referring to anyways?
Plus sakurai already said in a famatsu article that the characters who joined smash is due to the smash ballot. Characters like waluigi,Issac, shadow lost the ballot and were outvoted by the newcomers (keep in mind sakurai was looking at the ballot result during the vote some characters were not that popular back then)
Y'know I almost wonder Xander Mobus said when he recorded voice clips for 4 and Ultimate, he was given a bunch of stuff to say, some of which was fake to prevent leaks from occurring I almost wonder if Bandai Namco showed this "banner" to SOMEONE using the same logic and then they ended up leaking the grinch banner
The reason I knew since the beggining that the leak was fake was that there wasn't a new pokemon. Seriously, who thought that the Chorus Kids were in, but no new pokemon?
I remember watching the direct without sound in class after I finished my paper, then rushing to lunch to tell everyone about piranha plant. I didn't hear about the grinch leak until ironically after the direct.
Hey Aaronitmar, I like your Smash-related videos. Will you do a video of Quality of Life improvements for Smash Ultimate? I already have a "few" suggestions, klick show more, of you dare... MII FIGHTERS - Give them actual portraits in the V.S. splash screen (except online to avoid offensive Mii faces) - Let them keep their names in replays (if recorded in either a local/friend/VS match) - Bring back their missing original outfits/hats from SSB4, such as Neon Suit, Cat Ears, Hibiskus, etc. - Add more special moves to choose from (as well as bring back some from SSB4 that were replaced) - Let there be an option to have normal-sized Mii Fighter or a smaller "chibi" Mii Fighter - Give them a classic mode, too - Let they be chosen by random (it already kinda works in Attract Mode) - Let the default Mii Fighters be unlockable via Challenger's Approach as well - Let Kirby use the Mii's hat/hair as a copy and ther actual neutral special - Increase the max amount of letters for their names - Let them have the right place in the CSS (alot of people complain about this) - Let them have their names in uppercase in the in-game UI like the other characters REPLAYS - There should be a option to disable the countdown for the next replay at the end - There should also be a option to disable the controls UI (useful for capturing) - There should be a option to convert the whole replay to video (including the start) - Let us save aborted matches as replay (like it did in Brawl) RULESETS - Add an option to exclude chosen stages completly from the selction screen - Add an option to exclude chosen fighters from the selection screen (useful for bans) - Add an option to change what poké ball pokémon and assist trophies should appear - Bring back the Coin Battle Mode - Bring back the bonus points (as well as a mode for it) like in Melee - Add an option to toggle hazards from the spirit matches ITEMS - Bring back several items like Team Healer, Red Shell, Fan and Cracker Launcher - Make more Assist trophies like Jeff vulnerable - Make most of the poké ball pokémon vulnerable and being rewarding like assist trophies STAGE BUILDER - Let us have more backgrounds to choose from - Let us change ther stages' lighting, not by the background - Add an option to add water and set it's level - Add an option to change the stages' weather (rain, wind, snow, thunderstorm, etc.) - Add more decorative items to place (like random Mii's as crowd, trees, etc.) - Let us choose the starting spots for the players - Add an option to mark places where items shouldn't spawn - Let the pokémon trainer be at the background
i'm a mod in the gamexplain discord server, and i had to moderate the server during the grinch leak season, while people were sharing conspiracy theories that nintendo bribed gamexplain to deny it for "damage control". that sure was a time
I have two theories. 1.- The leak was always fake. 2.- The leak was real and Nintendo tried their best to reverse it. *Ken made it to the game at launch. *Banjo eventually made it into the game. *Isaac and Shadow were probably intended to be DLC characters who were still early in development but were turned into assist trophies at the 11th hour. (Since they were assist trophies before, Nintendo could reuse assets related to those characters from back when they were assist trophies.) *Pirahna Plant wasnt done at lauch.
All I've to say, is that when the Direct started, and I saw Ken, I said to myself "I'm gonna main Banjo". He has since become what I set for him to be, come his inclusion in September 4th.
My golden rules for any supposed leaks: 1. Pics or it didn't happen 2. Never trust blurry photos 3. Less than 4 correct predictions is just a lucky/educated guess
You know, i had three big reasons to not believe the grinch leak back then. No.1: it was too good to be true. Basically everyone in the leak was a character that has a large fanbase - especially in the US. No characters that are more for the japanese fans in the game that's made in japan and with japanese consumers first in mind? Something's fishy. No.2: sakurai directly stated that ultimate wouldn't have that many newcomers. In the end, we got 10 newcomers at launch. If the leak was real, it would've been 14 i believe. That number just felt too high. No.3: if this guy really had such great access to the complete art, why not take an actually good photo? Why take a blurry picture like you never used a camera before and just use that? To conceal faults in the editing, of course.
Just disagree with you on the last point, it was a photo from Snapchat without the intention of being a leak. I mean what Made it more believable in theory was that it was like a accidental leak. But yeah other two points you are totally right bro.
I was never aware of the leak itself, just that there was a "Grinch Leak" with those specific characters. I just assumed it was called that because it (seemed to) spoil the entire roster in advance - stealing the surprise like the Grinch stole Christmas.
Sakurai: "We're going to slow down the character reveal trailer"
Grinch Leak: "You have to reveal 7 characters in 1 month"
This alone is why I never understood how people could believe the leak
LINCspace I’m pretty sure most people understood that 7 character reveals was really unbelievable, but the fact that there seemed to be so much evidence that also happened to tie in with real people and real companies overrode people’s doubts
Honestly I only wanted it to be real for Banjo, which thankfully he now is. I doubted it would be but it was still a cool idea.
I believed it casually because sometimes Sakurai is like we can’t get an Animal Crossing Character because they have too much of a friendly style of life, then we got Villager and Isabelle
Sakurai: #69
It's weird how at 11:23 "Alright the Grinch Leak totally fake" fits with Ken's mouth movement
Holly shit! Didn't noticed that. So true.
That was...the point?
Coincidence,I think not
Prolly a coincidence
I just noticed that
I'm still just mad at the people who made this leak, mislead so many people and gave sakurai so much unnecessary hate
it's not all their fault though. remember sakurai said not to expect a lot out of the direct. but smash community was greedy o-o
credit where its due..........it was the greatest troll in recent memory
im shure the person response is still laughing at there accomplishment
They had a much better character confirmation anyways.
@@kazoorion7993 who?
Yeah same.
Also therefore, they *deserved* to be torn apart during the day Ken and Incineroar has been revealed-- as a punishment that is.
After 1 year, the Grinch is still taking therapy for his recently discovered Ailurophobia (fear of cats)
Wait, he’s in therapy? From what I heard, he was decapitated by the Nintendo Ninjas, who hid his head in Nintendo headquarters and dumped his body in Area 64.
@@waves2378 He's receiving therapy in the Underwhere.
Coolest Idiot That ever memed Lmao loved that chapter in SPM
MTB17 Incinoroar is his enemy
It sucks that he fears cats now. I guess we will never get a Grinch and Cat in the Hat cross over ever again what a shame.
I was hoping this was gonna end with Aaron saying “Yup it was me, I made the Grinch Leak!” Lol
Sort of like howtobasic's 'face' reveal
StoneWhale2055 nope, artsy omni
YOU EXPECTED THE GRINCH LINK, BUT IT WAS ME, DIO!!!
Nerdy Gamer silence me yourself coward
Lemon Drizzle already did bitch
One year since the Grinch Leak but most importantly, *one year of the Plant Gang*
Hard to believe it.
No one plays Pirhana Plant though.
@@ew275x shut up i do
Ah yes, the controversial Piranha Plant, who destroyed countless hopes and dreams of fans.
@@ew275x I do
1 year since Ken and Incineroar? Gosh, I’m old!
Baby boomer here. Can confirm.
Happy first birthday you Boomer
I read that as Karin and Incineraor
boomer
but most important
one year since a plant crushed everyones dreams
"People using gamer words"
Hmmmm, i wonder...
I didn't hear that part... where did he say that?
*deep breathing* the bridge...
*What a fucking....*
Mrs. Obama... gomen-nasai...
@@daed1819 **nice person**
I remember laughing my ass off when Plant got revealed. Probaby my favorite fighter reveal just because of how much chaos it caused it in the community.
Anyone who argued about if Piranha Plant was worthy to be in Smash did not get the point of Piranha Plant. And the people who understood the joke found the fact that people were arguing over if Piranha Plant was worthy for Smash hilarious because
that's the joke
1999: I want Bowser and Sheik in Smash!
2018: THE *GRINCH*
I actually hated the grinch movie because of this leak Lmao. I feel bad to blame the movie on this leak
The movie wasn't even that good to begin with so whatever
Lost legend true
Thanks, I hate it
I mean. The live was a horrible cash grab anyways.
that and it was made by the minions people
Remember when the Smash community thought Sakurai would spend 45 minutes revealing 6 newcomers and not talking about vault and language options? You fools
2:53 The Grinch was an Illumination movie, not DreamWorks. DreamWorks is too good for that film. All in all i liked this little walk down memory lane
DreamWorks made Shark Tale
Both studios are owned by Universal Studios I believe so I can understand the confusion.
DreamWorks is not too good for that movie.
They're just capable of bringing actual good stuff, and sometimes, great stuff.
@@pixu5221 You make a good case
Smash Bandicoot Illuminati confirmed
“ Gamers using a bunch of
*G A M E R W O R D S* “
Never believed Grinch leak for a second. The GRINCH would never get in smash.
Edit: Still it was fun to see the arguments.
Yeah they say the Vergaben leaks are always true but they're just lyin, not ONCE I saw Vergaben in smash.
you're joking right?
Super Gaming Bro. My mind is too fat for eyes
I knew it was fake from the start
I don't know if you're joking or not but the leak wasn't saying the Grinch would be in smash it was just some random evidence people used to track down the company
2:52 DreamWorks?That was an Ilumination Film.
U r correct
To be fair, Universal did bought Dreamworks and they own Illumination so it could be a common mistake.
Ikr I can’t believe someone would compare the amazing Shrek to the horrible minions
Funniest part about that whole situation is people only started bragging about how they knew it was fake all along AFTER it was confirmed fake. Despite how smart people think they were the Grinch Leak DID have quite a lot going for it.
NixUniverse #MorriganforSmash Obviously. Even people who sincerely did not believe it was real, they were not confident in publicly saying it because the leak had so much going for it. Many people just didn’t want to believe it because it was “not their most wanted” or “too good to be true.”
I knew it wasn't real because if you have eyeballs and actually looked at the image, it looked fake! So I said it was fake and GUESS WHAT!? I was correct. I knew it was fake from the beginning
Edit: I commented the word "fake" on one of the Grinch leak videos about a week before it was confirmed fake. You might have only saw the comments of people saying it was fake after they posted it, a lot of people did lie and said they thought it was fake after it was confirmed fake. You are also correct about the image having a lot going for it. Sorry for being so impatient, good luck on your journeys everybody
Oh and also it did have things going against it, Sakurai saying only to expect a few characters, and the image having discrepancies. (ua-cam.com/video/ivL1yvVtpfA/v-deo.html)
@@ash_aiden I remember getting into an argument in a comment section where I said exactly "the grinch leak is so fake its clearly just a wish list and wtf would chorus kids do? They only sing". and people started bringing up all this 'evidence' about it and I just kept denying it and the moment it was confirmed fake I went back to the comments and started roasting them and most of them started saying how they were just joking and knew it was fake the whole time. ive never seen people so eager to be right in my life
@@devilpigeon7242 haha
@@devilpigeon7242 I believe I have seen similar comments before
_"We've never ever going to fall for another-- HEY! This guy is saying Doomguy! It's gonna be Doomguy!"_
That's why I don't believe any leaks until they get 3 or more reveals right, only one could either just be a lucky guess or they only got one trailer early like the guy who just had Nintendo's E3 and coasted on that as a "legitimate" source or the people who"leaked" Joker but he was the only character they got right
I saw a similar one on Reddit where the punchline is me when a new leak comes out:I believe every word that man just said because it's exactly what I wanted to hear
OMG This random game got ported to Switch x character is coming to Smash!
And people say the opposite too like do people really think Ryu Hayabusa is deconfirmed?
@@chrisdippertheirateshitter2653 a credible leaker said ryu hayabusa was not fighter pass character #5 he said mabye in a future be he is certain its not #5
Three other things I remember that I guess argued that the grinch leak was real
1) The mural on the website was cut off (I believe right at little Mac), and in that very spot on the grinched mural was Isaac, so people thought Isaac was going to go there.
2) We saw the leaf healing item (forgot what it’s called) in a new official smash trailer. Of course, never seeing this before, many believed it was related to golden sun I think.
3) Smash announced a direct less than a week after this leak exploded. Which was pretty 50/50 on whether or not they “want to show all the information legitimately before everyone finds out” or “they want to show the real information before everyone gets their expectations too high.” Obviously it was the latter.
As an Isaac fan, the Little Mac cut made me extremely excited.
yeah, the greenish hue found at the little mac cut did seem pretty damning.
AndrewNebz Little did we know there was another plant related character meant to fill that space.
@@hanzumautist4945 Plant was on the other side of the mural
@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 no p l a n t is next to little mac. Hes with olimar and the pikmin
The second I found out the Grinch himself wasn’t rumored to be in smash, I immediately lost interest
Until watching this video, I thought it was the Grinch himself because I saw a lot of videos who did say that it was the Grinch himself coming to Smash!
I just find it funny that the Grinch (2019) was just a boring movie, but it somehow made one of the most famous leaks in all of Smash and video game history
PownicMania5000 It was a terrible movie! Left halfway through the movie because I just couldn’t handle the boredom! Pets 2 (in my opinion) is the single best Illumination movie to date
@@LordTylerBluGunderson ....you're seriously saying that pets 2 was a good movie?
Gosh.
John Karavanas Explain how Pets 2 is bad
@@LordTylerBluGunderson explain why any of their movies are good.
John Karavanas The Grinch=boring shit
Pets 2=entertaining, some funny jokes, and beautiful animation
What's crazy to me is that all these characters are still in the game in some way.
-Ken was in the base roster
-Banjo got in as DLC
-Shadow and Isaac were assist trophies
-Chorus Kids, Mach Rider and Geno were spirits.
Dude I remember the excitement when I saw Incineroar. Dang, those were the days
Yeah.
I mean, I think I was personally a bit more disappointed by it because I wanted decidueye for a gen 7 starter.
K Rool trailer
It was 1 year ago
I remeber the disappointment i felt when i saw incinnaroar. Then Isaac as an assist trophy
The MOST infamous “leak”...
*ignores wii u smash story being completely scrapped*
Was that a leak or just a scrapped idea, because they are two completely different things
Smash story?
That leak was insane
Camilo Sánchez Lazó no it was fake af brain dead bitches only thought it was real because sub consciously people wanted it to be
Donkey Kong are you ok mr kong
Donkey Kong okay...
@@donkeykong4983 aight man...
2:52 Dreamworks didn't made The Grinch movie, it was Illumination.
Daniel Fontoura That’s true
I remember when I saw Incineroar in that fateful direct I heard hundreds of people Internal screaming as their dreams were crushed right before their eyes,wich was even MORE evident by the Shadow and Isaac Assist Throphy reveals(but hey,at least we got Banjo & Kazooei,so not everything was lost).
RIP the hopes of golden sun 4.
Yeah, we got Banjo-Kazooie. Almost a year later!
It's "Banjo-Kazooie", or you can say "Banjo and Kazooie". Just saying!
GUH-HUH
Every character from the leak is in the game in some form atleast.
One year since Ken’s and Incineroar’s reveal...
One year since I squealed with joy from a story mode in Ultimate.
"story mode"
@@SlaterRecordsTV True but back then I thought it was going to actually be a story mode
@@cheemerthelizard yeah, i was so disappointed with the outcome :(
Slater Records TV well it was still fun, but there wasn’t as much of a STORY.
@@cheemerthelizard i didnt find it fun at all. Smash Brawl was a way better adventure.
Man turn into a detective if you’re this good at clues
He didn't do shit.
^ Yep, he didn't do shit. I was saving heaps of info dumps from this time and even just from memory Aaron got a whole bunch of info wrong and missed a whole bunch of stuff too. Aaron isn't very good at researching leaks to be honest.
Also he didn't follow these clues himself, he documented the scavenger hunt that the internet did as a collective.
Jeez why the fuck u guys so mean I’m just saying
For those curious, here’s what actually happened to all the character’s featured in the Grinch leak:
Ken: Did actually make it into the game as an echo fighter of Ryu
Shadow: Ended up being an assist trophy in the game
Isaac: Same deal as Shadow
Chorus Kid’s: Ended up being a spirit in the game
Mach Rider: Same as the Chorus Kid’s
Geno: Same as the Chorus Kid’s and Mach Rider
Banjo & Kazooie: Did actually eventually make it into the game as DLC
So yeah, only 2 of the characters from the leak ended up being real, and one didn’t even happen until much later, and the other 5’s chances seem to be dead in the water right now.
MP
Nostradamus effect. Make 1 million predictions and one of them is bound to be right.
Well ate least both shadow and Isaac are in flash 2 and crusade
With min min being in that means Mach rider and the chorus kid could have a chance
I'm french, and just to tell you man, even in France it's such a big mystery ! I'm still confused about it !
Such a great and interesting video as always 😉
It's funny to see that every characters of the Grinch leak ended up being represented in Smash Ultimate in some way (whether by spirits, assist trophies or fighters).
You know what I think? I think the Grinch leak was just some person’s wishlist. Like they went and made a banner with all the characters they wanted for Smash. And people thought it was a leak or something.
I can't believe this shit was a year ago. Damn time flies...
Gamers: want respect from society
Also gamers: arguing about leaks in the comment section of a printing video
Everyone deserves respect from society. Even the insane.
@@cardboardhawks6783 Well said sir
It was Midori all along. MysticDistance.
I hoped the leak was real, but I wasn't on either side
Me too. I was neutral on the leak, and was actually hyped when Incineroar was revealed! Then came the Assist Trophy massacre to weigh down my hopes, but Piranha Plant came to replenish them.
I just wanted shadow but i knew it was probably fake
Same, i just tried to avoid knowing what characters were in it so I could be surprised if it was real
@@Marc-rw3dd Same. Other than Shadow, my only motivation for wanting this to be true was greed.
My motto: If it's not confirmed by Nintendo, don't believe it.
I knew this leak was fake as soon as I saw it because there was no way Nintendo would reveal that many characters in that short amount of time.
I’m so happy that I got my bitey Plant boi rather than the Grinch roster, honestly.
Plus, we got Ken and Banjo, and I’m 90% sure that we’re getting Geno anyways.
Although I DID fall for the leak completely, and I’m happy that the leak existed because not only is it being called the “Grinch Leak” hilarious, but it drummed up such captivating conversations!
It’s crazy to me that the final roster is easily better than any leak predicted, daddy Sakurai came through for us all
It was like remembering an old war you were in
“I was there Gandalf”
*The Grinch steals the show*
*S T E A L S C H R I S T M A S*
I straight up believe that the Grinch leak came from a different timeline and mixed with ours on accident
Me too what a weird leak
* insert comment about comments being posted 2 minutes after the release of a 14 minute video *
Midori missed even back then
I honestly still can’t believe how many people believed this leak
They believed it based on the character they want being in it
Truest Chad They bought it on themselves.
It made sense to believe based on all the evidence lol.
Honestly the amount of "Leaks" that people buy into and constantly bring up is, besides baffling, just annoying when they are so consistently fake and unbelieveable (though I will say after Ultimate's release certain things have been more "believable" since at this point it feels like nothing is impossible, but the game is already out so there aren't any leaks going on to make this an excuse). Often people will guess every potential character in their minds and then say it true just because they are convinced that if they like the idea of the character then it is therefore an incredibly popular character which means it HAS to be in smash. When the reality is that if you just sit back and wait for Sakurai to reveal them, the reveal is way more of a fun surprise and the characters are often not ones you'd expect (like Pirahna Plant), but because of "leaks" people tend to hate all the newcomers because they aren't the ones they were convinced are the only possible candidates and they somehow feel betrayed by that. Its stupid and causes so much strife in the community when it's 99% faked, and the 1% of times it isn't is when Nintendo accidentally reveals it themselves, which is often only a day or so before the official reveal. And most importantly: ALL of the characters get revealed before release nowadays so their really isn't much reason to speculate since none of them will stay a secret for very long. Making the leaks entirely pointless even if they were always true, since it just ruins the reveal trailer that released immediately after the leak anyways.
@@SlaterRecordsTV It really didn't. It was people taking dubious information to heart because of their own personal biases. It was only convincing if you were predisposed to believing it to be true from the start, which also means believers set themselves up for their own failure and disappointment.
That should be a lesson to us all, don’t just believe any leak you see just because you really want the character in the game
"a Dreamworks movie" Dude I wish Dreamworks made the Grinch movie instead of Illumination
the grinch is not a dreamwork movie its illumination
I still don’t see how Mach rider and chorus kids could work in smash
shadow protector can't really see them ever getting in
Chorus Kids could work if they were a fighter just to have as a representative but in their moveset have the other rhythm games show up, but the Rhythm Girl work be more likely
Wario side b
Smash Crusade does Mach Rider really well. They have him off of his bike for most of his moveset, only using it for his side B. Crusade treats him kind of like Captain Falcon, how he's a character never seen without his vehicle and with a mostly stand alone moveset.
but could totally see a piranha plant work?
I still remember this 5 years later. This leak had too many moving pieces. My expectations never stood a chance. We're lucky that the game ended up being so phenomenal. We even got Banjo-Kazooie!
If you think about it, illumination is working with Nintendo to make a new Mario movie now. So maybe there was chemistry between Nintendo and the studio 👀
I was for the Grinch Leak because of Isaac and Banjo-Kazooie, My heart was broken when I saw Isaac as an Assist Trophy...
At least we got Banjo
I wanted it for Geno but we all know how that went.
That's what happens when expectations are raised too high.
Waffle Cakes so you believed it was real only because you wanted it to be real?
And this is the reason why many people believed it when it came out, just because they wanted a character or two that was in the leak
Never believe leaks unless it’s a mess up from Nintendo.
Um... The ESRB leak would like a word with you.
Every potential leak would be a mess up from Nintendo since the information comes from them in the first place. What you are saying is believe every leaks.
@@UnexpectedGamer7 That could have been a mess up on Nintendo's part too. ESRB is a ratings system, so you think Nintendo consults with them.
So when Ken and Incineroar’s trailer came out people were already hooked on the grinch leak being real because Ken came out ??
Ah, the grinch leak.
*touching story for the grandkids*
Oh hey, thanks for the mention. =P this leak singlehandedly killed my enthusiasm for leak coverage. Messed up stuff.
I could imagine...
2:52 The Grinch was an Illumination movie, not a Dreamworks movie.
I dont know how anyone believed this leak. Look at the banner: isaac covers up olimar, banjo covers up mii gunner and shadow covers up mii brawler. The leaker needed some space and put the fake characters over ones not a lot of people cared about so it wouldnt draw attention, but for me it always was obvious idk
Maybe if I paid more attention to the banner when it first came outt...Sigh
Who else is here after the Grinch was confirmed for DLC pack 25?
Me
I never believed it, I was sticking by Sakurai's words the entire time
I'm also glad that I didn't get into any arguments, cause it sounds like they were intense
I was on the side of real when the leak came out for the same reason, BANJO-KAZOOIE. I'm relieved that they're in now, Banjo and Kazooie was who I wanted most in smash, and it's still mindblowing they got in later.
And nobody expect more dlc after the fighter pass, so maybe...
Yeah, I still find it hard to believe it’s been a year since this happened.
A part of me wanted to think the Grinch leak was real but most of me wanted to not believe in it. And honestly I’m glad it wasn’t.
But I wish I could relive seeing the Ken/Incineroar trailer again, because I lost it the minute I saw Incineroar’s eyes.
Yeah and nearly a year since Smash released, holy hell
It’s almost one year since Smash released and two years since Battlefront ll released! Time flies man!!!
When i saw the eyes i thought it was Mach Rider
And to this very day until further notice. Ken and Banjo & Kazooie has been the sole survivors of the leak.
A moment of silence for those that didn't make it...
Isaac...
Shadow...
Skull Kid...
Michael Menei Chorus Kids...
Geno...
Mach Rider...
Plμsh dμde Shadow and Banjo
Shadow :(
I mean it's not over yet. There's still a chance for some Chars.
At the very least, I hope stuff like this brought awareness to Sakurai and Nintendo that we’ve been waiting since 2007 for Shadow...
I waited since Smash 4 Came Out.
Wild to revisit all of this in the here & now, with so many surprises and the end in sight.
Wait a minute, the Grinch is a fourth party character.
Fourth party?
At my school, two kids got in a fight over this leak.
That’s the biggest thing in our school history, even being acknowledged by our principal.
I find it funny that the leak still predicted characters that got in. Banjo and ken.
It was hilarious watching the livestream during Twitch and UA-cam.
A meltdown of denial from #TeamReal as I laughed my ass off because I didn't believe it at all.
WAIT PEOPLE THOUGH THE GRINCH LEAK WAS REAL? I THOUGHT EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS A JOKE
Sadly, yeah people actually believed it. You would not believe how many times I got yelled at for telling people not to put too much faith in a blurry image. My motto: If it's not confirmed by Nintendo, take it with a truckload of salt.
Ikr why tf would THE GRINCH OUT OF ALL CHARACTERS be in smash
Jarock316 Oof. I'm glad I didn't get involved. Cause it seems like both sides were going crazy about it.
@@bobthegodofmemes2249 No, only one side was crazy about it(The side that actually believed it)
Jarock316 I'm talking about in terms of starting unnecessary arguments
It's June 2020, and I am STILL not over this leak yet
I remember feeling that Geno and chorus kids where there because there was many people wanting them, and thus wanting this to be true
I literally never see Chorus kids or Mach rider talked about. They never appear on any popularity polls either.
@@Badalight ok
As Tv Tropes likes to put it, characters such as Waluigi and Lyn are too popular and had so much exposure in recent media. Meanwhile, characters such as Ridley and Banjo were out of shape and likely weren’t in recent media.
@@lance2580 What are you talking about? Ridley has been a constant and consistent character in the Metroid series, as well as Smash. He has also been asked to be playable for longer than both Waluigi and Lyn (both of which became popular smash picks around Brawl/WiiU, whereas Ridley was wanted since Melee, if not 64.) And what do you mean by Waluigi and Lyn being too popular? I'm not sure what you mean by that, are you saying they haven't been included because people want them? Even though Sakurai has history of including characters because they were wanted for long times (Ridley, Banjo, and K. Rool for example)? Which Trope are you referring to anyways?
Plus sakurai already said in a famatsu article that the characters who joined smash is due to the smash ballot. Characters like waluigi,Issac, shadow lost the ballot and were outvoted by the newcomers (keep in mind sakurai was looking at the ballot result during the vote some characters were not that popular back then)
Isaac was the primary reason I got so invested in the leak. He's been my most wanted character for a very long time.
Y'know I almost wonder
Xander Mobus said when he recorded voice clips for 4 and Ultimate, he was given a bunch of stuff to say, some of which was fake to prevent leaks from occurring
I almost wonder if Bandai Namco showed this "banner" to SOMEONE using the same logic and then they ended up leaking the grinch banner
I still wonder why they did that. They have so many people working on this game, including so many voice actors, but they don't trust the announcer?
Xander corvus
The reason I knew since the beggining that the leak was fake was that there wasn't a new pokemon. Seriously, who thought that the Chorus Kids were in, but no new pokemon?
who else here after the mysticdistance/midori drama
I remember the absolute state of 4Chan immediately after this leak was debunked. The sheer level of cope that people started displaying was amazing.
When it's almost December and the leaks happen again
*Ah, shit here go again*
I remember watching the direct without sound in class after I finished my paper, then rushing to lunch to tell everyone about piranha plant. I didn't hear about the grinch leak until ironically after the direct.
Now that Illumination is making the Mario movie this scares me. :)
Hey Aaronitmar, I like your Smash-related videos. Will you do a video of Quality of Life improvements for Smash Ultimate? I already have a "few" suggestions, klick show more, of you dare...
MII FIGHTERS
- Give them actual portraits in the V.S. splash screen (except online to avoid offensive Mii faces)
- Let them keep their names in replays (if recorded in either a local/friend/VS match)
- Bring back their missing original outfits/hats from SSB4, such as Neon Suit, Cat Ears, Hibiskus, etc.
- Add more special moves to choose from (as well as bring back some from SSB4 that were replaced)
- Let there be an option to have normal-sized Mii Fighter or a smaller "chibi" Mii Fighter
- Give them a classic mode, too
- Let they be chosen by random (it already kinda works in Attract Mode)
- Let the default Mii Fighters be unlockable via Challenger's Approach as well
- Let Kirby use the Mii's hat/hair as a copy and ther actual neutral special
- Increase the max amount of letters for their names
- Let them have the right place in the CSS (alot of people complain about this)
- Let them have their names in uppercase in the in-game UI like the other characters
REPLAYS
- There should be a option to disable the countdown for the next replay at the end
- There should also be a option to disable the controls UI (useful for capturing)
- There should be a option to convert the whole replay to video (including the start)
- Let us save aborted matches as replay (like it did in Brawl)
RULESETS
- Add an option to exclude chosen stages completly from the selction screen
- Add an option to exclude chosen fighters from the selection screen (useful for bans)
- Add an option to change what poké ball pokémon and assist trophies should appear
- Bring back the Coin Battle Mode
- Bring back the bonus points (as well as a mode for it) like in Melee
- Add an option to toggle hazards from the spirit matches
ITEMS
- Bring back several items like Team Healer, Red Shell, Fan and Cracker Launcher
- Make more Assist trophies like Jeff vulnerable
- Make most of the poké ball pokémon vulnerable and being rewarding like assist trophies
STAGE BUILDER
- Let us have more backgrounds to choose from
- Let us change ther stages' lighting, not by the background
- Add an option to add water and set it's level
- Add an option to change the stages' weather (rain, wind, snow, thunderstorm, etc.)
- Add more decorative items to place (like random Mii's as crowd, trees, etc.)
- Let us choose the starting spots for the players
- Add an option to mark places where items shouldn't spawn
- Let the pokémon trainer be at the background
Moral of the story: don't bet against Vergeben.
Funny enough, he actually ended up nuking his credibility later on.
How so?
@@Neoxon619 I wouldn't consider his errors on Dragon Quest a "nuke" but it would hurt it
"MINECRAFT CONTENT IS COMING TO SMASH"
Gabcard Are leaker are attention brats.
i'm a mod in the gamexplain discord server, and i had to moderate the server during the grinch leak season, while people were sharing conspiracy theories that nintendo bribed gamexplain to deny it for "damage control".
that sure was a time
It’s so funny looking back at it lol
I actually had no idea that the leak even happened as I wasn’t every active in the community at the time.
Ken banjo Kazoo got and were in the grinch leak
I have two theories.
1.- The leak was always fake.
2.- The leak was real and Nintendo tried their best to reverse it.
*Ken made it to the game at launch.
*Banjo eventually made it into the game.
*Isaac and Shadow were probably intended to be DLC characters who were still early in development but were turned into assist trophies at the 11th hour. (Since they were assist trophies before, Nintendo could reuse assets related to those characters from back when they were assist trophies.)
*Pirahna Plant wasnt done at lauch.
Man the smash community gets Antsy when we’re waiting 😂😂
Steve got into Smash nothing is off limits.
Grinch bros where are you?
The grinch leak is a year old now. I feel old.
All I've to say, is that when the Direct started, and I saw Ken, I said to myself "I'm gonna main Banjo". He has since become what I set for him to be, come his inclusion in September 4th.
Moral of the story: take leaks with a grain of salt
My golden rules for any supposed leaks:
1. Pics or it didn't happen
2. Never trust blurry photos
3. Less than 4 correct predictions is just a lucky/educated guess
See I had a feeling for banjo kazooie & ken but really I couldn't decide
"I was just a blind Banjo fan who wanted him in Smash"
Well do I have a story for you.
You know, i had three big reasons to not believe the grinch leak back then.
No.1: it was too good to be true. Basically everyone in the leak was a character that has a large fanbase - especially in the US. No characters that are more for the japanese fans in the game that's made in japan and with japanese consumers first in mind? Something's fishy.
No.2: sakurai directly stated that ultimate wouldn't have that many newcomers. In the end, we got 10 newcomers at launch. If the leak was real, it would've been 14 i believe. That number just felt too high.
No.3: if this guy really had such great access to the complete art, why not take an actually good photo? Why take a blurry picture like you never used a camera before and just use that? To conceal faults in the editing, of course.
Just disagree with you on the last point, it was a photo from Snapchat without the intention of being a leak. I mean what Made it more believable in theory was that it was like a accidental leak.
But yeah other two points you are totally right bro.
@@josepablovargasguzman1315 Then why would it say "Fuck Nintendo lol"
@@Baconator2558i guess it's a way of insulting Nintendo for giving them access to a picture of the whole roster
@@LowkeyJouta That would imply it was intended to be a leak.
@@Baconator2558thats the point they want to make it convincing so people would believe them
I was never aware of the leak itself, just that there was a "Grinch Leak" with those specific characters. I just assumed it was called that because it (seemed to) spoil the entire roster in advance - stealing the surprise like the Grinch stole Christmas.
2:50 *Illumination
i really wish shadow was actually in the game