Understanding Kaworu Part 1
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Hello Funkers, in this short we explore Kaworu Nagisa and try to understand him as a character in the greater scope of the Neon Genesis Evangelion lore. In part one we'll explore his relationship with Shinji Ikari, Seele, Nerv, and the world within the context of the anime, whereas in part 2 we'll analyze the changes made to his character during the Evangelion Rebuild series. Though Kaworu is an angel and holds the soul of Adam can he still be human enough to love?
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He is beyond gay. He transcends sexuality and gender.
He is Bishonen Space Jesus and He died for all our sins.
Lmaooo pretty much tho!
Yep, through he could bde asexual but romantic interested. Not only but also as friend,
, shinji thou, ...
@@marocat4749 Asexual doesn't exist
@@nsf001-3
because we replaced it wih bsexuality
That’s the gayest thing Ive ever heard
I always saw him as a person who can simply love someone for who they are.
He embodies true unconditional love.
I agree!!!
And that cant be a romantic?! The different alien partner that is aloof is a romantic trope, by having thrstrong sudden homoeroticism, you have a romance.
kaoru, what the hell he is, but shinji, is bi.And he is more reasonable than rei a semi-clone of his mom by far.
He is supposed to represent ikuhara too, and , yeah pretty gay in what he stands for artistic, by invocing ikuhara, you cant deny there is. To what part, who knows, but there is.
@@marocat4749 Whatever you see that leads you to that interpretation I do not see it. Unconditional love does not have to be physical.
Kaworu was the equivalent of Lucifer. He did not want to obey the divine order, but like any angel, he felt compelled to, so he asked to die, as struggling against your birth programming is excruciating.
That makes me question if some of the angels, particularly the one who attacked the Magi and the ones who entered Asuka and Shinji's minds, could actually be attempting communication, albeit unsuccessfully because of their Eldritch nature.
I mean, Rei tried as well (Yui knew she didn't belong here anymore because she actually liked the synchro she acquired). But she managed to get ambitious. We humans are truly scaredy cats. They had two angels in their possession (one of them Lilith, who fools the Angels for them to not find Adam) and yet they refused communication.
@@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankindyo bro. Kaworu literally kissed shinji in the manga. And every moment in the anime with kaworu had this tense and intimate energy
"Is Kaworu gay?"
Yes, next question.
No
@@maxtryme1508 He's gay and Shinji is bi. Does that scare you? Are you scared that your super popular anime has homos in it? That they smooch and bathe together and have homoerotic piano lessons? You poor, poor baby! Here, let me play the world's smallest violin.
@@maxtryme1508 The homoerotic scenes say otherwise. You must be so offended that gay people are in your anime, you poor, poor thing.
@@maxtryme1508Actually he is. Hideaki Anno told me.
@@Jarino507 where did he tell you ?
Kaworu is just a chill guy fr.
Agreed.
fr fr
Not really.
@@INFERNO95 bro rizzed him
kat killer kaworu 🤩
Considering Angels have no gender, Kaworu is Shinjisexual.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Exactly he doesn't have a gender but is In a male body
Los ángeles tal como se les conoce en el pensamiento sesgado de occidente, son cosas totalmente distintas a los seres creados por la imaginación de Anno, inclusive se les traduce como "apóstoles".
This video is made entirely under the weird assumption that Kaworu is a socially inept idiot, which is false. Despite the fact that Kaworu has proven to be knowledgeable and emotionally intelligent, you maintain the unsupported idea that he is ignorant and naive. You even bring up that he is an idealized version of Shinji, but then you add that he is an “awkward, out of touch” idealized version. I find that really odd because an ideal human isn’t awkward and out of touch, and Kaworu isn’t awkward and out of touch either.
From the moment we first see Kaworu, he is well informed and appreciative of Lilin culture. He loves singing and believes it to be the greatest achievement of Lilin civilization. He is highly aware of human psychology, as he is able to read Shinji perfectly and offer helpful advice. No human in the series was capable of giving Shinji the kind of advice Kaworu did because Kaworu wasn’t entirely human. He was able to speak of the human condition as an outsider, and he didn’t need to relate his own experiences and risk vulnerability like the human characters.
I also think it’s important to acknowledge that Kaworu is a fan of Shinji. Which makes sense if you argue that Kaworu is an idealized version of Shinji. He knows about Shinji from Seele, and he thinks highly of him. He is fascinated by him. It wouldn’t have been the same with any other human.
To me, their conversations never felt off or awkward. They just felt like conversations between people from two different backgrounds or cultures. Which is what I think Shinji and Kaworu’s relationship is all about, cementing the idea that humanity is united despite our differences. At the end of the day, while both Rei and Kaworu are angels, they are unlike any of the other angels, and they maintain important aspects of humanity like empathy and even the capability to LOVE.
Early in the episode, when Kaworu meets Shinji at the gates, Shinji mentions needing to go home, and it immediately cuts to Kaworu smiling because of the mention of a home. He then tells Shinji that the fact he has a home will lead to his happiness. Right then, we become aware of Kaworu’s goal: a place where he belongs. Presumably, Kaworu has been indoctrinated his whole life by Seele with the idea that he is to reunite with Adam’s body and eradicate humanity because angels are the true successors to Earth. Kaworu feels that he can only fit in with angels and even tells Rei that they are the same. But because of his interactions and love for Shinji, Kaworu becomes burdened by his destiny and questions if humanity really needs to die.
The line “You certainly go to extremes to avoid making first contact. Are you afraid of intimacy with others?” isn’t the first time that Kaworu is realizing Shinji’s problems and attempting to help him. It holds a different significance, which is to highlight Kaworu’s coming attempts at intimacy. He makes very emotionally intelligent statements about how it’s important for humans to connect in order to forget about their loneliness. Kaworu knows Shinji is lonely and initiates the intimacy that Shinji is so afraid to initiate by resting his hand on Shinji’s. You can’t claim that it’s an act of solidarity while also claiming that Kaworu isn’t speaking to Shinji on the same level, and it’s unreasonable to assume he’s unaware of the “sexual tension” it created. Kaworu doesn’t “naively believe” that he and Shinji were set up to sleep together, he’s attempting to initiate intimacy with Shinji, and when Shinji is apprehensive he attempts again by touching Shinji’s hand. Kaworu stating that he should be the one laying on the floor is not significant because he “never planned on sleeping in the same bed”, it’s significant because Kaworu is demonstrating an innate understanding of politeness and kindness in human culture. He is insisting that Shinji should be the one with the more comfortable place to sleep. Once again, Kaworu is emotionally intelligent enough to sense that Shinji has something on his mind and encourages him to talk about it. You keep claiming that he is awkward, yet you never substantiate that claim.
Kaworu isn’t awkward or naive or stupid, he is a being capable of love, and he does love Shinji. That’s why he ends up rejecting his destiny and asking Shinji to kill him.
Hi, thank you for such a well thought out comment! It means a lot!
I never claimed Kaworu was an idiot or inept. In fact Kaworu is an erudite individual. However, it's very clear that his communication style was designed to create an intentional separation between the two. While Shinji is personal with everything he says, Kaworu speaks as if he's teaching Shinji about human psychology. When I say Kaworu is awkward, I'm putting myself in Shinji's shoes and imagining someone speaking to me like that. Frankly that is not how people talk to each other, and if I was Shinji, I would have felt that Kaworu was either autistic or perhaps grew up in a very isolated environment. My “proof” for such awkwardness (which can't be proven because it's subjective) is that if somebody spoke to me like they were giving me therapy, I would think they were being awkward because they wouldn't be able to “code switch” to more vernacular speech.
None of these things suggest Kaworu's ineptitude, they do however suggest that Kaworu does not think like a normal human being.
I also don't believe Kaworu's awkwardness detracts from being an ideal version of Shinji. His moral character is ideal and the fact that he knows the root of Shinji's problems suggests a superior understanding of the human condition.
As far as Kaworu being unaware of the sexual tension he creates, there are two ways from my perspective to look at it.
Either A. Due to Kaworu's parasocial relationship he had with Shinji prior to meeting him, wants to illicit a sexual response from Shinji by holding his hand and confessing his love to him...
Or B. He loves Shinji, and wants to connect to him within the bounds of his understanding of human relationships, thus creating a lot of unintentional sexual tension in the process.
Option A to me, seems unrealistic because people don't try to butter someone up during their first meeting unless they were horny. To suggest Kaworu was horny and just wanted to see how far Shinji would go with him before he completed his mission would paint Kaworu in a negative light.
So yeah, I don't make videos on a whim, I read the information and interpret it based on my personal life experiences. These are my personal reasons to reach the aforementioned conclusions.
I pretty much agree with the rest of what you said.
@@tonyfunkI think your video analysis was excellent. And I agree with you: if someone made a little speech about my being "delicate like glass", I would be mildly offended. Kaworu has a good heart and good intentions, but he definitely seems detached. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to assume that Kaworu has been isolated his whole life by SEELE, and his insular lifestyle has stunted his social development. I also agree with elements of what Klaxo said, however, I think using words like "idiot" was pushing it a smidge too far! By using hyperbolic language, it seems like straw-manning to me. From my personal perspective, you both have made good points! And I think the hand-holding was supposed to be comforting in a platonic way. When Kaworu says, "I was born to meet you," the kanji in the script implies romantic attraction. ❤
@@Citrine-K Thank you for adding to this discussion!!! I think you're right on the money. That example you provided with Kaworu claiming Shinji's heart was "delicate like glass", would seem patronizing under any other circumstances.
I like that you added about the Kanji suggesting romantic undertones as well! That's an interesting nuance I should've included in the video!
@@tonyfunk You're welcome! I might go looking for the tumblr post that reveals the script for Ep. 24. Hopefully, I can still find it somewhere! This is just my personal observation, but I've noticed a strong divide between men and women on this subject: Women are more likely to interpret Kaworu x Shinji as a homosexual/romantic relationship, and men are more likely to stick to the platonic interpretation. I think both are valid! I'm actually a Kawoshin shipper (I'm female), and I've done multiple internet searches on this topic. IMHO, Shinji is bisexual - he blushes so hard when he sees Kaworu, and I think the audience is supposed to ascertain that Shinji is bi-curious. Kaworu, on the other hand, is asexual, but that's just my personal opinion. I think Kaworu is romantically attracted to Shinji, but he doesn't experience sexual attraction. So maybe Kaworu is "homoromantic asexual", or something along those lines (look up "Split Attraction Model" for more info). And I think Kaworu is protective over Shinji, so there's definitely some parental love mixed in! I mean, Kaworu has lived multiple lifetimes, so he's effectively Shinji's father or parental figure (watching over him like a mother would). It would also explain why Shinji says, "You're just like my father," in Thrice Upon a Time. I'm also open to the idea that Kaworu is Aro-Ace, and he loves Shinji in a "soulmate" kind of way. GAINAX has created multiple dating simulators where Kaworu says "Aishiteru" to Shinji, and we ALL know that Aishiteru is the most romantic word you can use in that context! You should look up 'Shinji Ikari Raising Project' and 'Girlfriend of Steel 2nd'. In the Sadamoto manga, the editor Carl Gustav Horn says, "While I do think Shinji felt sexually attracted to Kaworu, and that you the audience is supposed to feel that he felt it, what Kaworu himself thought was a very different matter. Like Rei, I believe Kaworu to be innocent - coyly, he appears not to be so, because while Rei needed to be reached out to, Kaworu has come to reach out; whereas Rei has spent her whole existence being observed, Kaworu has come to observe". Carl Horn is the translator and editor, and he noticed that Kaworu was using ambiguous language that suggested asexuality. (I'm asexual, by the way) Actually, if you want official confirmation about Kaworu's orientation, I recommend watching a UA-cam video called "Tabris (Kaworu) vs Ramiel 5th Angel". I think it's a cutscene from a pachinko arcade video game, which is NOT a dating simulator! Kaworu says, "The moon is beautiful, isn't it, Shinji-kun?" which is a common phrase that romantic couples say to each other. It's wordplay, because the word "tsuki" (moon) sounds phonetically similar to the word "suki" for love.
I think I agree with this analysis more
Wrong❌ when Kaworu said "I was born to meet you" he meant he and Shinji were always meant to be a cute couple forever and ever!! Hope this helps :)
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He is gay Jesus and he slayed for our sins
Kaworu is a real Homie
The realest for dying for his homie. 😔✊
What about kensuke and toji? Shinij true friends.
Guys he's just European chill
Good expansion on the Character who is quite cryptic interesting that he is simultaneously Shinji's Shadow and a christ figure. Going to have to rewatch the 3rd rebuild to see if there is any hint of Shadow integration because by the end of the last one Shinji is definitely changed and I suspect his experience with Kawrou has something to do with it.
Yeah it's super fascinating! And I'll be delving into his relationship with Shinji in the rebuilds in part 2, so check back to see if we came up with the same conclusions!
I like how in rebuilds Kaworu keeps his distance slightly more, as if he has learned a bit about social interaction, his conclusion as a character was very good.
So, boy meets boy, invites the boy to a hot bath, tries to hold hands, acts disappointed when doesn't get to cuddle with pretty boy, and tells pretty boy he thinks he was destined to meet him.
Oh yeah, still straight though!
Hääää? I never said Kaworu was straight.
@@tonyfunkAlso, Kaworu didn't seem disappointed when Shinji "turned him down" or whatever. When Kaworu asked, "With you?" it seemed like a simple misunderstanding to me. It's not like the old men at SEELE would ever say, "We should go to bed". Lmao There's also a strong possibility that Kaworu has been sleeping in a verticle water tank, which is nothing like sleeping in a bed.
Great vid.kaworu is for some reason my fav character from the show and movies,there is something interesting about him,how easily he understood shinji and comforted him or maybe cuz i think he is the type of dream best friend i would want....looking forward to your next kaworu vid
I agree. He represents the friend we all wished we had.
Kaworu was the equivalent of Lucifer. He did not want to obey the divine order, but like any angel, he felt compelled to, so he asked to die, as struggling against your birth programming is excruciating.
That makes me question if some of the angels, particularly the one who attacked the Magi and the ones who entered Asuka and Shinji's minds, could actually be attempting communication, albeit unsuccessfully because of their Eldritch nature.
I mean, Rei tried as well (Yui knew she didn't belong here anymore because she actually liked the synchro she acquired). But she managed to get ambitious. We humans are truly scaredy cats. They had two angels in their possession (one of them Lilith, who fools the Angels for them to not find Adam) and yet they refused communication.
That's a great point and comparison especially since Biblically Lucifer does his best to copy God/Jesus
@@ShinGoji1987Official even the reason for him to choose death is similar to Lucifer's. He was envious of humanity's freedom, the same way Lucifer envies God.
Kaworu is just like me fr
Then you must be awesome just like him!
I never knew that I related to Kaworu, but then I realized that I kin Kawoshin and Rei all together
@@tonyfunk yay
@@valeria-xj2rv cool!
Dude these videos rock!!!
I almost forgot about your Kaworu videos, great work! I mainly only saw him as a male version of Rei who Shinj becames close with but your analysis of him was a great refresher and eye opener. Great comparison with Jesus to a point as well
is he gay? no
but is he gay? yes
The boy is gay. Just leave it at that.
@@INFERNO95 nice opinion, but I'm a homophobic
@@s0meRand0m129 homophobia is gay
@@s0meRand0m129so are u saying that kaworu is straight or
Kaworu not gay.
Powerful thumbnail
Thank you!!!
I think Shinji is desperate for some love and affection, he doesn't realize that at this point it doesnt matter if it comes from another male. The angel Kaworu knows this and thats the tactic he goes for
Amazing anaylsis! Very well spoken and written! I love how you even explained and even rephrased some of the scenes of the anime so that we can understand. Thank you for such a wonderful video. It motivates me to do works like this for my own stories!
P.S. I wish Kaworu loved me romantically and unconditionally :')
I'm a millennial
I was around back when You had to buy anime DVDs at FYE
And they only have like three episodes for $60
When you could buy anime magazines that had upcoming news about your favorite shows
And it was really hard to find other anime fans
I'm not saying this to gatekeep or to be a "hipster" about it
I bring this up because if you were around this time you may relate to an interesting perspective around Evangelion that relates to Kaworu
I remember reading about evangelion in my anime magazines back when I was in middle school
I remember seeing artwork on photobucket
I remember seeing Asuka and Rei EVERYWHERE when evangelion was being talked about
I remember seeing Mistato and Pen pen
I remember seeing shinji
I remember seeing Gendo's iconic pose
And some of the background characters weren't shown as much
I remember seeing All of them at least once in some of the advertising
You know who I never saw a single time in any of the adverts I saw?
Kaworu. He was never shown in any of the ads I saw. Not a single one. I understand the argument could be made that he wasn't an important character or maybe Western studios didn't view him as important
But I do find it fascinating with him is considered queer-coded that he was not seen in many of the advertising back in the early 2000s and I don't think that's a coincidence
I remember I saw advertising for evangelion before I saw the show and I remember being thrown off by Kaworu's introduction specifically because of this
I had seen every character at least once somewhere before my introduction to the show itself
Whether on photo bucket or a magazine or a dvd cover (etc)
But I hadn't seen him ANYWHERE
Considering shinji has such a strong emotional reaction to him
Which is clearly shown in end of evangelion
(When God Rei first shows up) I find it interesting that I didn't even know his character existed
I apologize if I rambled a bit but I'm very curious if there's anyone out there that had a similar experience
If you around back in the early 2000s days of anime culture
Did you notice the absence of Kaworu in Western anime merchandising?
Kaworu was not apart of the fanservice trash Evangelion was pushing in the 2000s cause they didn't want to promote the gay relationship between him and shinji cause they thought it would ruined shinji toxic relationship whit the girls. Sense the 3rd rebuild movie now he apart of the fanservice trash making it the only relationship between two males Eva staff cares about ignoring the other males like kensuke and toji seeing they not apart the fanservice trash.
Western culture has a long history of depersoning queer people so I'm not surprised that same bigotry would extend to fictional characters. I used to get anime DVDs at FYE too but more slice of life stuff. Evangelion was a show I torrented at recommendation of someone I knew online. I never liked it that much but I did enjoy the Kaworu Shinji shipping
What's your take on that EoE bit when Kaworu is sent to Shinji's vision to ease him into instrumentality?
I was always awere of Gendo’s manipulation of Rey so i always read kaworu’s words to Sinji as kaworu trying to manipulate Sinji
As a kid I thought it was gay, then i found out I wasnt straight and then I realised that it was a pure religious type of love
And believe me, sometime in the future you'll think something different! That's the beauty of Eva, it evolves as our perspective evolves.
kaworu is kingdom hearts. cant explain it but thats how I feel.
Thanks for doing this take much appreciated 💯💯
Since he seems to not really have a sense of personal identity, it makes sense he couldn't love in a romantic way.
I can see it now so clearly
i dont think he’s gay, he stands for true love
but kawoshin is real
Kaworu is trying to understand love.. He wants to feel it. from what ive seen in the manga :)
Bestie vibes only
this is super interesting, really helps develop the average audience member (me) understanding of Kaworu
I'm really happy I was able to shed light on this awesome character! It's a pleasure!!! Thank you for your comment!!!
Hh, but my theory is he reincarnates again and again, to meet shinji and fall for him more.
Literal God in human form. Space Jeezus
Definitely yes🌝👍
Yo I just wanted to say thx for your videos I really appreciate them.
Frfr like they fucking opened my eyes xd 😅
Of course!!! My pleasure!!!
I feel like its almost romantical love, if that makes sense. He discovered his love for humanity through shinji, I dont think he has any sexual intentions though, thats just me.
Kaworu best girl
sometimes it takes a real man to become best girl
Kaworu though Gendo's plan was better than Steele's! 💀
STOP- HE WAS TOO GAY SO THEY HAD TO WEWRITE MOST OF HIS CHARACTER IM SOBBING ON TEH FLOOR RN
According to the bible and dogma Angels are asexual. So can sexual orientation be applied to Kaworu?
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Persona!?
Interesting video. However I’m pretty sure you actually got the definition of Agape love nearly entirely wrong tho.
I used the religious definition of the word as it fit the theme of Kaworu being a Jesus like figure. The most common definition however is selfless and unconditional love which is basically the biblical description of God's love.
@@tonyfunk Hmm. Yenow what I think you did get that part right. Except I don't think it's unconditional love as I myself am a Christian. God has standards, a moral compass, and principals he asks that we follow in terms of right and wrong. He may have unconditional love in the sense that he "believes all things" as love is described in the book of first Corinthians. Meaning he believes everyone is capable of good.
Here's an interesting quote by professor William Barclay in his new testament words stating "Agape has to do with the mind: it is not simply an emotion which rises unbidden in our hearts" (as may be the case with philia) "is is a principle by which we deliberately live. Agape has supremely to do with will. It is a conquest, a victory, and achievement. No one ever naturally loves his enemies. To love one's enemies is conquest of all our natural inclinations and emotions. This agape . . . . is in fact power to love the unlovable, to love people whom we do not like."
I think it would be good to read 1 Corinthians chapter 13. But I think you and I agree very much on what agape love is. I just think the unconditional isn't something I'd use in the context of god, unless it we're to refer to his belief in the potential for good in all people no matter how many times a person sins or fails.
At this point I can understand your point and honestly makes sense in general. This can even be considered the most canon/correct interpretation, but there are some things failing here (even if we talk about this topic only with the og series). A pretty solid analysis (and possible theory).
Been watching a lot of ur vids, so good! Really got me interested in new shows🩵thx and keep it up!😊
Thank you, it means a lot!!! Glad my content has introduced you to new series!!!
“Misunderstanding Kaworu Part 1” There, I fixed your title, you’re welcome.
Nah, the title should be "Does Kaworu Is Gay? (The Rumor Come Out)"
Bro I watched it this year it was a neutral reaction 😮
GAAAYYYYYYY
I think kaworu’s story was on of unrequited love towards shinji. Kaworu could’ve saved the world but instead he tried to comfort shinji in every timeline assuming it was mutual, but then in the re series where shinji could stand up for himself and wasn’t attracted to someone else supporting him Kaworu still liked him but Shinji didn’t, bc ultimately shinji just wanted someone who would cater to his every need at the time. The manga especially made that much obvious as kaworu kissed him and shinji didn’t at all like it.
I always thought it was pronounced as Sealee
yeah?
It’s EVUH not EEEVUH
short answer: yes
Ive so far only watched the remakes this males ne want to watch the original series to understand the charachters more
Tbf. I dont think Comparation with Jesus is something i stand by. Like they different to me. Jesus is God incarnate who is FULLY god and FULLY human. He can feel pain and fully feel emotions. He endured all of pain he been through before dying on the cross. He reduced himself to regular human to do it. And their "sacrifice" also differs. With Kaworu result being Instrumentality which doesnt give anyone choice of the matter and merges everyone into one which negates Humans entire nature of being different. While Jesus sacrifice does give a choice either you believe in his sacrifice and be closer to God or not. And Jesus's sympathy towards other humans comes in a form of "If the world hates you, remember it hated me first" like making him more like relatable figure who also suffered and offers to overcome suffering together. And Kaworu reveals to be homosexual in Rebuilds while Jesus remains the same and rejects homosexuality.
I can see the slight reference but I agree, good points
eve-van-ghelion? Kaworou? Sella' ..? brother what are you saying..
ik its so hard to listen to ...
Whats with the thumbnail 😭😭😭😭
LITERALLY
Never cook again
no he cooked it good ,gonna eat here gain
So basically he’s implied to be gay
He's pretty gay tho
He is an Angel, he can't be Gay.. but i know Angels are born genderless
yes, he’s gay. next question
Why is the thumbnail if he's gay or not💀💀💀💀💀
he obviously is
Bro YOU'RE A FOOJOE
The part about sadism implicit to Kaworu's potential romantic interest in Shinji is really enlightening to me as I always had powerful negative reaction for this ship and had no idea why. But after hearing it I know why. Kaworu Nagisa did NOT Legato Bluesummersed himself to hurt Shinji. That's not love. I'm so sorry for anyone conditioned to recognize this kind of abuse as love. Kaworu had free will enough to decide to die himself rather than hurt many. That's love. Self-love maybe but still more love than "Allow me to wallow in your suffering".
What do you meannn😭😭
I can't lie
If I was gay
He would be a perfect
He'd definitely treat you right!
I can’t lie
I am
He is
@@billywheeler3575 That's my man!
Any answer than yes is wrong.
Why do you think the producer rejected Kaworu being explicitly gay? Japan has massive homophobia problems and the author was not allowed to portray his character as he wished, you have to take that into account when analyzing this unless you are intending to erase the character entirely but given how you responded in the comment section I think that may have been your goal.
I hope so
"unaware of the sexual tension such an act would create" No
he kissed shinji in the manga btw
It was mouth to mouth resuscitation, but regardless I'll address what happens in the manga in a later video! There's a lotta good stuff to discuss there!
@@tonyfunk 😸👍
there is a manga where he is with shinji in the garden of eden practically. alone, ...
@tonyfunk Still better then thar creepy fanservice force kiss between him and asuka.
@@tonyfunk Shinji right after that said “guys shouldn’t love other guys” because of his own internalized homophobia, which he admitted after killing Kaworu when he said “I was attracted to him too, even though I shouldn’t like another guy like that.” That’s clear as day; what other context would that make sense in? Also in another scene before the kiss Kaworu asked Shinji “what is love? describing it as a sticky painful feeling, wanting to kiss and touch them. Then afterwards he put his hand on Shinji’s cheek, asking him what it would feel like if Shinji came to love him. It’s just so obvious, and if it wasn’t a same sex pairing there would be no debate here. Ridiculous… This *is* queer erasure and I won’t stand for it.
Is he gay? Does he need to be gay? I figure he is just an transcendent being who love humanity as a whole or is trying to figure out why his "creator" love humanity so much. He latches onto shinji and tries to love him the way he thinks his lord would and ultimately comes to really care for the creation. /shrug
doesn't he possess the soul of adam, who - upon waking up, nearly ended the world? as an angel himself, his reunion with adam's body would've essentially exterminated the human/lilith race too. i don't think the usual christianity applies to eva.
I think him dying was actually him destroying his AT field (his body), so he would be welcomed into Rei, whose field was also reported to have manifested (they did not know it was her though), probably disappearing temporarily.
He didn't want to cause the Impact like that. He wanted it to be Shinji's choice. But his body was compelled to obey and try to reunite before he could get anyone's consent.
At least, that was my interpretation. Some of the last Angels did seem more like poor communicators than Apocalypse bringers after all.
Yeah this doesn’t feel like analysis this feels like you going he’s soooooo not gay guys even though he held another boys hand and said he loved him he’s sooooo not gay
can a not human be gay? Better think... What is a sexuality for a being that is neither male or female.
Its pronounced say-lay (seele)
It's actually pronounced Zel-ə but I used an S sound since I'm not gonna code switch to Deutsch for one word.
Say-lay must be a dub pronunciation.
@tonyfunk yeah the og dub
Ah gothca. Yeah, never seen the dubs
That’s funny
Kaworu is best girl
Fr bro, kawru X shinji best ship
Cant let 🏳️🌈😂 us have anything. Lmao While I agree in the him being Shinji’s shadow. The Text, that is the scene in the bath was GAY meant to be GAY and interpreted as such by Shinji seeing how he ☺️. While in Japan public baths are very much a nonsexual thing they also have bathhouses & the creators obviosly know of this.
I'm just trying to be objective. If you interpreted that scene and dialogue as gay more power to you! We all have our biases and perspectives and I gave a personal opinion.
@@tonyfunk “If I interpreted it as gay” well if nothing else I agree with everything else you said. I just think is all of that +Gay not -Gay.
Its also important to know he is an ikuhara inspired character and ikuhara did that episode,
he always has that in, and anno wanted him to be ikuharas unconditional love type.
Its probably a lot, and gay. like ikuharas stuff generally,i am sure kowaruwasikuhara inspird and youdont dio that if youdont want it a bit gay.
oooh, i do love myself some queer erasure in the form of a 15 minute video essay! i hope there is never a part 2!
Hi! Queer erasure was not my intention whatsoever, nor was it a thought that ever crossed my mind in the making of this video. The point of my video was to look at the context behind a sheltered, godlike being and determine how they probably saw the world. It just happened that Kaworu's depiction in NGE struck me to be a representation of an asexual, ethereal being. Having said that, Part 2 is coming out soon and Kaworu's depiction in the rebuild series is very different which is why I personally think you would enjoy part 2.
@@tonyfunk sorry if i sounded harsh i just really take kawoshin to heart as it's what helped me find myself as a gay guy
i respect your opinion and i'll make sure to watch part 2
@@groggygary❤❤❤ I'm a Kawoshin shipper, and I personally think Kaworu is homoromantic asexual. Asexuals are part of the queer community. Peace and love! I want to give you a big hug - I can see that you're hurting, and I genuinely think you are a good person at heart. It's great that Kaworu helped you to become more self-aware. ❤❤❤
@@Citrine-K i respect your opinion, but i still believe that kaworu and shinji share a gay relationship based on the evidence i have seen and read. of course asexual folks are apart of the queer community, i never said they weren't!
@@groggygary I greatly appreciate the fact that you're an asexual ally!! Many thanks! I'm very supportive of the gay community, so I'm glad that we can get along despite our differences 👍
Bro im not gay but kaworu is kaworu
I think that He definitely should’ve been gay, the subtext was very clear and many people picked up on it and wanted that type of relationship in the series.
Omg he literally is. How can one deny that when Akio Satsukawa was chosen to write the script because he was good at bl
@@farnese__1535he wrote for many episodes he wasn’t “just chosen” for this one. he also said he gave it his all in episode 15 lel
@@iamsickinthehead Interviewer: Who worked on episode 24?
Anno: A person named Satsukawa Akio-san did that. Satsukawa-san is better at-this is bad to say, but-he's right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism. *laughs*
Interviewer: He's good at those types of male "friendships".
Anno: Better than I am, I wonder? *laughs*
- Hideaki Anno, June Interview - August 1996 (Director of Shin Seiki Evangelion/Neon Genesis Evangelion Anime)
Cry about it
@@iamsickinthehead In schizo/Parano, in Kaworu character tab, it's also written that he is a "same sex romantic interest"
Lmao, Kaworu phrase was so gay that this guy needed to use the butchered Netflix one with the "you're worth of my grace" 💀
Also, It's not really a proof, but I wonder why in every single NGE related media he's represented as gay. I wonder why Sadamoto said this in the "everything about Kaworu Nagisa" interview :
Who named Kaworu ?
"I asked the same question to Tsurumaki yesterday(laugh). The conclusion is that it probably was Akio Satsukawa. Nagisa can also be read as Messenger, perhaps he came up with the name when he was writing the script. We all think it fits Akio’s taste. What struck me most was how Akio expanded the world, he made Kaworu a JUNE (June was a popular yaoi magazine) character……Or I should say a male/male tanbi ("aesthetic") romances character that went berserk. The first script had more sparks: Kaworu and Shinji swim naked in the river under the setting sun--I hear that they really considered make this kind of scene at the moment.
--Is this what they called the dreamy first script?
Yes, Yes. In the end, Anno changed it to the bath scene. Anno took Akio’s idea into a very unique perspective, which end with this Kaworu who give you a decadent feeling, in my opinion. There is one thing that doesn’t need to cover up: they wrote EVA’s script as long as possible. In other words, the script they gave Anno had two Eps length, then Anno modified it into a story. So I think he probably cut off a lot of Kaworu’s story.
i heard hello fu##ers for some reason
As a queer guy, can y’all not frivolously attack the guy for having an alternate interpretation of a character who’s already written quite vague and openly? A UA-camr with 2k subscribers isn’t “erasing” anything.
I love how you’re calling out that one comment
Kaworu is a poorly written character that overhyped by Eva creeps.
As a gay guy, I wish I could be 3 way gay with Shinji and Kaworu
@@INFERNO95for Evangelion Kaworu is a great character. Him and Misato carried this show
This was deep I rarely saw him as gay more like a character who expresses love to the hommie
Me too! Glad you enjoyed it!!!
I am not the only one
straight ppl r so dumb 😭😭
@@MrJMB122and u wonder why ur balding 😭🪬
Ah the gay subtext that launched a thousand fanfics in the late 90s.
FINALLY, someone who understands Kaworu accurately. 😎
fun fact they have kissed 5 times (manga and games)
games are just dating sims made for purely fan service, because than you can argue that shinji already has a gf, manga they only kissed because kaworu was experiencing love for the first time and didn’t understand it
although in ep 24 drafts, there were two, in the first one shinji confesses his love to Kaworu and kaworu rejects him, and in the second draft, they both have feelings for each-over and they kiss romantically, i would recommend reading the drafts :))
@@TOFIK4PM THOSE EXIST???/
@@ilovechuuyaa yes!! very easy read also as someone has translated the drafts, creator of evangelion also had a whole interview talking about drafts/the kiss
@@TOFIK4PMwhere can i find them?
These comments are so gay
Are you Geh?
Why are you Geh??
"Kaworu shadow theory" implies Shinji is a bad person, when there's nothing wrong with him everyone just hates him for no good reason, probably because he's the only one who isn't a piece of shit like the rest of them
this comment is hilarious
Shinji is a bad person tho😭
I always thought Kaoru was the representation of a god loving everybody. He DID love shinji, as he loves all other creatures.
I however disagree he was naive and awkward like Rei. He is always talking to Shinji like a patient adult explaining things to a 3 year old.
I however never understood why was he surprised at seeing lilith there, or why he uttered he now understood about the lilin. It cannot possibly be he now understands the lilin come from lilith. He already knows that. But...okay...he is surprised to find lilith there. If he wanted to fuse with Adam's body, and he went thorough all that to get there...Why didnt he just leave to look for it elsewhere?
Thats what I always found confusing.
I think his relationship and love towards Shinji was always very clear, and was never gay at all. It was not sexual in nature ever.
Kaworu only love shinji not anyone else.
@@INFERNO95 Says who where?
11:50 I would be frank, I never saw the homoeroticism.
Fair enougn!
@@tonyfunk Then again, I miss alot of things that Internet people later claim to be erotic, like the numerous fetish claims laid on MiA.
He's not gay.
Btw He's actually my favorite character in NGE 😊
He literally likes a guy
Maybe he likes it, not loves it. Or maybe there were simply customs in Japan that could resemble something but actually weren't ;)
he was literally created by a guy that writes homoerotic stories
@@maszynista7642he literally told Shinji if he could sleep with him and even told him that he loved him 💀💀💀
@@-Meikobot But he also had some connection with Rei, as he interacted with her twice in his episode (midway and before his death). There was also something at the end of the movie 3.0+1.0. Besides, Shinji doesn't seem to care about anything more than just friendship in anime
Another video on the most overrated character in the franchise. The only male relationship everyone care about is the gay one. I have nothing against this relationship it just annoying how the other male relationship shinij has whit kensuke and toji get ignored by the community cause they were not gay enough. They say kaworu is the only one who was nice to shini when there been other people nice to him none more then kensuke. Kensuke always been nice to shinij even relating to him by not having a dad around along whit dead moms. Sadly kensuke not gay nor is apart of the fanservice nonsense that made Evangelion popular so he either gets ignored or get trash by Eva creeps who don't like him. Which is why I don't like Eva fans nor the people at on Eva staff. Why not make videos on kensuke and toji for once.
I think the reason why the gay relationship was rejected cause they didn't want it to clash whit the creepy, unstable relationship shinij has whit the females. They didn't want it to get in the way of the official arts, figurines, spinoff Manga and video games whit shini being this fake harem king. They make all this official arts whit him smiling whit all the females in the series but in the official material he don't get along whit them and treat them like crap. Now Eva staff Make official arts, figurines of the relationship cause it apart of the fanservice nonsense to suck up to the shippers. Now they wants everyone to think to kaworu the only one who was there for shini while disrespecting kensuke and toji who were brothers to that entitled creep. They do the same thing whit asuka and Mari too. Pure trash.
Toji was the character with the most potential in the série. But obviously it is Evangelion , we can't have good thing
They'd make a great couple
They really would assuming Shinji wasn't so depressed.
@@tonyfunk he's just like me fr 😃👍
@@d1etpussy621 :(
@@tonyfunkI have no idea what that person said but I'm just laughing at "diet pussy :("
I dont think so, but they ar pretty interesting for sure, and i made my piece that in that crue universe shinji must suffer s it cant happen.
But there is a manga wher they end togthr in a garden of edn thing, alone, and kiss. so one good timeline.
Wow man, once again great video I love the brain food and analysis. main take away from Eva is perspectives and I rlly do think Eva is the best anime/manga EVER! And I’ve watched and read EVERYTHING I stg. Nothing is as beautiful of a masterpiece with such a rich and thick plot, and to think the original series aired in 1995 😳😰🫠