New 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance V Used Audi E-Tron GT RS Carbon Vorsprung - Which would you buy?
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- For under £60,000 you can buy the rather good Tesla Model 3 Performance (in which case make sure you use my referral code: ts.la/r567481
OR You could also buy a used Audi E-Tron GT RS Carbon Vorsprung (the fully loaded version!) which would be 3 years old with 35,000 miles.
(Of course pricing is all as per September 2024)
Which is better? You tell me which one you would rather have in the comments below!
Personally I'm rather smitten with the Audi as it's just an incredible car to drive and loaded with amazing equipment including 4 wheels steering, Laser Headlights and Infra-red night vision.
But the Tesla makes sense if you are buying through a business and what to take advantage of the tax savings. It's software is also better and nicer to use.
I look forward to reading the comments and your opinions. I suspect it will be very divided.
Many thanks
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Ive played the depreciation game and just bought a 23 reg Taycan Cross Turismo for £60kish...the first owner paid £125K! man maths-good value!
Nice but hopefully you bought it from Porsche and have extended warranty with Porsche because you will have faults. Also hopefully you got the spec you wanted as the extras will help lessen the depreciation which will happen. The car was cheaper because they aren't selling. I nearly bought one but I think more depreciation is to come. I had an EV for 2 years but luckily got out in time.
The 1st owner likely paid a monthly cost, much less than what you think.
I think you got it right. I think they're gonna go to 30s 40s relatively soon@@RB-lt8kt
@@SDK2006bit'll be chunky regardless. Someone has lost that value
Check the recall for brake lines has been actioned and you should be good to go - very fast!!
E-tron GT! Very nice car. Also Audi is a much more experienced car maker. And it did a very good 1000km challenge at Bjorn
That's the new one no?
@@TsLeng no he didn't do 1000km challenge with this new drivetrain one yet. I meant the video from some years ago
Of the two, which one has most experience in electric drivetrain?
Experienced more than Tesla making electric cars? 😂
The one with indicator stalks
Yeah those 5min to get used to buttons are not worth it.
@@minso8164 5 min for some ........ never for others. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
perhaps you don't indicate when leaving a roundabout?
@@spikebmth You do get used to where the buttons are exiting too, but stalks are still better. Luckily there are aftermarket stalks for the Model 3 for those who need it 😀
@@fr3238 I did drive a stalkless LHD Model X for around 20min, which when the steering wheel was straight, the buttons where fine, it was, like I said, when indicating exiting a roundabout, when needed to look to see where the buttons are.
As Richard says, seems ok 90% of the time.
I have heard that at some point Teslas will self indicate, when following the nav route.
I have 8 roundabouts between my house and the M8 on my run to Glasgow. I could not deal with the lack of indicator stalks. Model 3 was designed in a country with almost no roundabouts.
Its easy to indicate on roundabouts apart from when your exiting a mini roundabout which most people don't do anyway given the short duration.
😮as a ex bmw service mechanic, I’m now retired, I’ve owned a Tesla mod 3 for 3 years , I’ve done 60,000 mile with no problems! The Tesla is amazing, don’t just take my word for it 😊😊😊
I was looking at a model 3 long distance and BMW 330E. Any thoughts / advice?
@@jmc129 yes... Buy a Tesla!
@@jmc129No comparison. Tesla is in a different league and miles better than the BMW.
You must've looked at the latest BMW kidney grill and thought......
"Man, that Tesla looks gorgeous!"?
@@computerbob06 Ha! It’s around a 2020 model I’m not looking at new
Audi e-tron GT ❤
Model 3 for sure
They're chalk and cheese Richard, even taking into account the Audi's depreciation it is still twice the price, with 35k on the clock. Both are attractive, but I would opt for the Model 3 purely because of the Tesla charging infrastructure.
Audi GT all day long, looks immense ❤
Just after 5 minutes in you already notice Richard likes the Audi way more😁
who in their right mind wouldn't?
Richard loves ultra-premium cars, praises everything that is luxury-expensive extra equipment, but he absolutely does not want to pay for it.
The Audi GT RS for under 60k - thats a lot of car. It is good that Richard shows different choises in the marketplace.
Here you can´t finc a 2 year (´22) old GT RS under 80k. And, a new one, speced, is much more than double the price of a new M3P. Can you really compare these two?
Porsche Taycan Turbo S 😂 £63k 10k miles, but 4 years old… hope it’s reliable 😮
When the video cut from the Audi interior to the Tesla, it looked so empty, like they'd forgotten to install half of it
Which for many is a perk. Clean modern vs old traditional luxury. The old iPhone vs Blackberry debate.
So it depends on generation groups, which can dictate matters of nostalgia and taste.
Agreed, I do like the minimalistic look in some cars but Tesla have taken it to extreme.
@@AllanSustainabilityFan for sure, everyone has their own tastes, but I do wish Tesla would provide some interior trim levels, so you can have minimalist if you like, or something a bit more plush if you prefer
Yeesh…. WAY too much “stuff” in that Audi interior. More “stuff” and less capable than the Tesla. I’d take the infotainment of the Tesla ANY DAY.
The reason the Tesla does everything that matters better is the same reason the interior looks the way it does. Less buttons and stalks means less cables means less weight, on an average cars the Tesla saves a human’s weight in cables alone. Everything you need is there, just not behind a button.
If you want to know where this is going next, check out the 48V architecture of the cybertruck. 4x the volts means a fraction of the cable weight for your windows and other mundane stuff.
Undoubtedly the Audi, better in so many ways. From charging speed all the way to the fact that it actually has levers for blinkers, etc.
Well, since the Audi uses the finely honed and maintained electrify america...the choice is clear.
Audi for me as it has indicator stalks and everything. Very fancy.
Same here mate. Bought a year ago with 6k miles. Depreciation is the killer so I did PCP so I can hand it back at the end so I don’t take the hit. Will be a bargain for the 3rd owner as well.
By doing PCP YOU are paying the depreciation, not the finance company 😂😂
@@rnr8trinidadyou would be surprised how well this worked and how cheap it was! The finance company gave a very high RV, currently £15k above where the market is now so my payments are nowhere near as much as the depreciation. So when they get it back in a year it will likely be £30k less than the end payment.
I’m not an idiot when it comes to numbers. PCP can be a very effective way of protecting the downside of buying an EV. Leasing is also much better, and you can often extend a lease beyond the term depending on the deal and provider.
Not sure I'd want the Audi, unless I changed the plate.....
It blows me away the non Tesla EVs you can get over there at Tesla prices. Here in Australia the cheapest second hand etron GT (not RS mind you) is $112k, vs $87k for a new M3P).
My heart tells me the Audi for the build quality & head tells me to get a Tesla for the longevity with the software, etc. They are both great cars & Tesla highlander looks stunning!
The Audi is so tempting...but I depend on FSD too much to give up my '24 M3P. I use FSD just about everyday and I've gotten use to switching in and out of while driving. If FSD is driving to pedestrian for my mood, I drive. If rush hour is causing my road rage to trigger, I switch to FSD. I love the self-parking on my Tesla. I love the UI and huge senter display. No doubt, the Audi would be driving a status symbol and float like a flying rug which would normally make me all in for it, but Apple Carplay isn't enough to fix the Audi UI and no way will get a newish car without a comparable feature to FSD.
I was in this exact scenario. I've had the 2019 Model 3 Performance for 5 years and have driven an Audi before that and wanted to upgrade. After test driving and comparing a used E-Tron GT against the new 2024 M3P, I've decided for a new Tesla. The E-Tron GT looks absolutely amazing, but unfortunately, that really ended up being the only real pro vs a bunch of cons. The main cons for me were: didn't really like the Audi infotainment and navigation is very inferior to the convenience I'm used to from Tesla, in particular charging stops. No one-pedal driving, acceleration doesn't feel as instant, car overall less snappy in the city. Practicability of the car is quite bad, there's 0 convenient storage in the cabin, no idea where to put my stuff. My usual driving position has my arm resting on the center console, but the layout of the Audi makes that a bit uncomfortable (cup holders where the elbow is). The cabin felt quite loud (for an electric car) and ride comfort wasn't really what I had hoped it would be in the Audi (Highland feels better to me). My primary use is city driving, so the added length and width of the car didn't help either. Overall, other than the looks and maybe prestige(?), there wasn't really anything in favor of the Audi for me.
@@mals83 Agree, but to be honest I don’t think there is much prestige in an Audi or BMW any longer. Tesla has surpassed them with better cars. I don’t even like the looks of these cars any more, especially on the inside. They all look to be from the previous millennium.
Another great video from you. Thank you. We drive a fully loaded Etron Gt Vorsprung (but not the RS). It’s a fabulous car and the only time we question our choice is when we’re tempted by your clear arguments in favour of all things Tesla (especially the supercharging). Sadly what stops me from buying Tesla is that in my opinion, Elon Musk has rendered Tesla a toxic brand. So we’ll stick with our Audi
On the other hand VAG always have been toxic
Audi e-tron GT one of my dream ev’s , so it’s a no brainier for me.
Loves Tesla's but I'd get a used Taycan for the same money for sure
I chose a Taycan 4S. Great car.
With regard to servicing the Audi, people have c9mmented on the annual service requirements. Well, here in the UK you need to have your car MOT'd annually after 3 years so a service from an EV specialist independent and MOT once a year makes absolute sense.
I know Tesla regard cars as electronic devices but safety is hugely important as driving a car you are responsible for the safety of yourself, your passengers and everybody else with whom you come into close proximity with.
Checking and servicing your car once a year is no hardship.
People forget that even if an EV doesn't need oil change , it still has the same components as other cars. Seals, suspension, brakes, cooling system, HVAC, wipers, lights, seatbelts....
Etron GT has a service schedule of 2 year intervals, or at least mine does
I just creased up laughing when you were going on about nowhere to put your phone in the Audi and then finished by casually dropping your phone into the cupholder using the centre cutout to perfectly place it. I used to wonder why cupholders were like that until I realised that I could put my phone in there.
I rarely if ever use cupholders as cupholders.
Here in the US, a new Audi E-Tron GT is about triple the price of a Model 3 P but I guess if I could find a used Audi E-Tron for the same price as a new M3P in great condition, the Audi is the better car.
Audi❤
For me: definitely the Tesla. After 15 years of VAG products, i bought a Tesla and what a difference. No maintenance, low costs, perfect charge infrastructure, nice service (not the arrogant Audi garages, Tesla is just fantastic. No more VAG shit for me.
Been trying to sell my MYP for market value six months later still in my possession….
Until the depreciation for new EV's stabilise it doesn't really make sense to buy any new EV unless it's a good lease deal.
I would pick the one with parking sensors, working auto windscreen wipers, indicators, etc.
Well being an audi, I'm sure half the things won't work by the end of this year 😂
Tesla hater? You don't need parking sensors when there's hd cameras all around the car. Mentioning the windscreen wipers? Unable to press a single button?! Tesla actually has indicators, too, lol.
I would take the Audi - it’s a better car in all ways expect public charging, which I hardly ever use. And many of those are open for non-Tesla use anyway.
only 10 years behind in tech 😂😂
When people first picked up their E-Trons they were getting a message after 5k miles that said it was time for an oil change... lol
@@davidmchugh4348 : behind - in what way🤔
Tesla fans have always said this, yet it’s often Tesla that’s behind. Matrix lights took ages to arrive, the parking and wiper sensors don’t work properly.
Most EV’s have had mobile apps - for 4+ years already
@@SDK2006bI just found out BMW still only allows you to set the A/C on or off via the app. Tesla has had the option to set a specific temp since ages. Legacy is still legacy for a reason. Also no remote start, and a mate's i4 wouldn't even connect to the network in an above ground parking. Tesla worked flawlessly in thesame spot.
The new 2024 model of the Audi even has this new suspension technology also Porsche uses (even more comfortable) and charges at up to 320kW until 60% SoC. Imagine that car depreciate like this one and be worth only 60k in 2-3 years. Would be a insane no-brainer
Porsche is nicer to drive but range on both is rubbish due to weight of the car and older battery technology. I would wait 3 years as newer batteries will be out soon.
Audi
I love Tesla, and have one, but my dream cars are the eTron GT and Merc GT, that was once electrified, the green one Jezza featured on TG years ago. But today, eTron GT, top spec in graphite is my dream car.
Model 3 Performance all the way
💩💩💩💩
Yea if ur broke.
@@G82Watts They cost about the same
If you like 10 minutes or less of maximum performance.
@@mikapeltokorpi7671 I don’t track my car, but it’s perfect for the road.
Model 3 P. All the car you'll ever need 👍
Until you want more :) And thats when i got my GT.
E-Tron any day!!
Audi without a doubt.
I have an Audi e-tron because I can take a small trailer with it but I wish you could put a tow hitch on the Audi e-tron GT😂
The Tesla. Audi still has software problems and you have to take it to a dealer to update. My friend said for the last software update the dealer had the car for 3 days. Tesla have evs sorted, and the others still have a long way to go to catch up
I just bought a used 2021 Plaid with 21k miles for $56k but was seriously considering the 2024 M3P . After driving the Plaid once, there’s just no comparison. It’s incredibly fast and feels so much faster than the 2024 M3P well because it is 😂
Brilliant video!
Very informative and well delivered
I sold my e tron gt rs for the model 3 performance highland. Here in Australia there Tesla network is king. I’m loving the model 3 performance as my daily commute to my office and around town. I don’t think anything is better and I have a lot of cars in my warehouse to choose from
Probably the Tesla still. I'm just not sure i trust other manufacturers yet. Tesla has been in this a long time and there will be less problems. I expect you still have to take the Audi in for service and if you get a problem, the technicians might not know what to do.
Already chosen, I wouldn’t and didn’t touch the Tesla. I bought the Audi and it’s epic!
Model 3 for me, the Audi has the one problem of high Audi prices for any work needed.
The one that has the more wow factor.
He is Like people who drag race with Matt Watson on Carwow
He actually does do that sometimes!
Personal choice? Happy with the Tesla. It does what an electric car should do very well. It can also go very quickly very quickly!! Its practical, comfy and not bad looking. Tesla for me.
Audi at three years old, its a gamble. Lots of very big bills could ruin your day.
I like watching your reviews! Your honesty and unbiased opinions make them so comforting compared to other car magazines!!
Tesla looks like an Egg and with the Audi it makes me feel like I'm Tony Stark
Awesome comparison and what we found when we purchased a used model S from you guys a few years ago rather than a new model 3. What I really want to see is a comparison of a used Taycan Turbo S vs that e-Tron as I imagine they both cost around £60K at 3 years old. I believe Porsche charge an arm and a leg for subscription for the car’s features plus the servicing after 3 years, so I love to see those costs compared please :)
100% take the Tesla, full warranty, no mandatory service costs, will hold its value better than the audi, won’t attract unwanted attention, you’ll be treated better on the roads because drivers hate Audis, the list goes on, absolute no brainer.
When Audi making 600km range "as Tesla", ill choose Audi.
The new Audi S e-tron GT has 609km WLTP range, it might come a bit short in different day-to-day scenarios tho, the Audi A6 e-tron however has up to 750km WLTP, way more than any Tesla.
Audi every time.
I would prefer the Tesla
Without doubt the M3 Highland, having taken delivery of one 2 weeks ago now as my first EV. It’s super efficient, fun, and just easy to live with without thinking too much about charging etc. Then there’s the Tesla supercharger network with preferentially low rates for owners… for life. And sentry mode, Tesla theatre, dog mode, phone key (eliminating the threat of keyless theft) etc - features more cars need to have because they’re brilliant. Just my first impressions but yeah, you’ll find it hard to sell me a legacy EV that doesn’t have this stuff and can only do 2.5mi/KWh because it weighs too much because it’s battery is unnecessarily big 🤷♂️
@@mra9085 congrats 👍
Ok so just because you got one for yourself it means it's better? Tesla is one of the biggest EV trash in terms of quality.
Hope you didn't buy it as it will depreciate quickly. Personally the Audi and especially the Porsche are so much nicer to drive and build quality plus interior a lot better than Tesla. Tesla interior feels cheap and very plastic but technology is good.
@@RB-lt8kt Even though it currently has better technology, I will not purchase anything from tesla...
@@MaDDeX93Clearly an uneducated statement.
I'll take the Audi please, maybe they're both 3 x times what I'd want to pay 😄
Always liked the Audi's styling!
The Audi all day. No question.
Model Y LR all the car you need fast and practical plus the new ones are comfy loving it in new colour Quicksilver grey is wicked looking!
If I absolutely had to change my Zoe to one of these 😉, it would be the Audi. Love these used vs new comparisons. With ICE cars they tend to get great used cars against run of the mill new. Issue is the running costs of the used can potentially be astronomical. Appears to be less of an issue with EV’s. Hence the Audi. And it looks amazing. 👍
I’ll take the Audio all day every day mate
Did this two months ago, had two model 3 long ranges was considering the new performance but bought a two year old 12k miles GT Vorsprung from an Audi dealer so two year warranty and servicing included for £9k less than the Tesla (both great cars but absolutely smitten with the GT) both a great choice no right or wrong.
RS you are back, baby ! 3 for me
My heart said Audi , my head says tesla , if anything goes wrong with that Audi you know they are going to have remortgage the house 😂
Just buy the extended warranty for £399/yr then.....
As much as I am happy to buy Tesla shares, I just cannot handle the bland looks of Teslas. I'm not a big fan of Audi but E-Tron GT is a definite temptation. Especially when when its already 60% cheaper.
i love all your videos keep up the great work
Without a hesitation it would be a RS ETron GT everyday and twice on a Sunday....
lucky for you to have these deals, where i live, the gt rs is 4x$ when new and 3x$ when used .. cant enjoy the savings here
Tesla most definitely.
Tesla company car driver and I love it but if I was buying private, out of the two, Audi GT…..BUT only with the extended warranty.
I really wished the model 3 wasn’t designed by stripping so much back, having no way to change gears or operate key functions with physical hardware is a huge step back
Model 3P, and it's not even a difficult decision
Tesla 3 --------------> button
Audi for me.
But insurance, depreciation etc puts them both out of my price range.
If i really had a choice id go for a taycan cross tourismo, practical ( ish ) boot on a super car.
Obviously, the Tesla. Next year we are almost cetainly going to get full self driving. An over the air update and a subscription of £100 a month to have my own chauffeur available to drive me around 24/7 is a no-brainer. The Audi will never be able to do that.
Yep it’s a game changer
No choice for me, I just won't touch any tesla or have anything to do with Leon musk. I always loved the RS audi etron GT, just a bit expensive for me. I'll just have to make do with my BYD Atto 3....Love it.
Audi. Easy choice
Indeed, what was the depreciation on the audi? 100k ? Insane...
That European model 3 performance shouldn't even be called a performance model... It's a shame the ripped 50 hp off compared to US model..,. Makes huuuge difference above 100 km/h
I have the same issue with cold air on knees..
Heart says eTron but head says Tesla
IF I HAD THE MONEY AUDI GT NICE CAR
I would buy a used M3P!
For daily driving, the Audi E-tron GT RS. For road tripping, it won't be as good even when Tesla opens up superchargers because they won't be upgrading to 800V any time soon.
Do you have a tiltable screen there- guess a retofit. Swapping out my MYLR March 22 for same in Quik Silver MYLR on Geminis tomorrow. Amazing lease deals. Hope better ride
Price on the Audi has me curious. I guess it would also have to include running costs.
Model 3 Perfomance
I've driven both. The Audi is claustrophobic no glass roof and range is terrible. But it looks great.
Yeah cramped and low-tech, it appeals more to older buyers with traditional tastes, less technology oriented.
Tesla is for the younger techie shopper that appreciates having more space over knob clutter, that likes cleaned design language, and considers technology as a crucial component of a luxury/premium experience.
If you're willing to take a chance on a used vehicle - brand new price kills it otherwise - then we have two solid EV options here to cater to two different market groups.
Just get the audi with the glass roof? Range isn't terrible, once you get on the motorway the human generally needs more rest than the car, and if not...the car charges very quickly
Very interesting review! I opted for the Audi as I preferred the fact it’s a really good car and then an EV (my first and a 71 plate too). Tesla’s strengths are economy and charger network but I think I’m covered on the network side. I have a subscription to ABRP and it reads the car’s SOC via Enode and the app shows the availability of chargers etc - a bit of a win 👍🏼
The Tesla product is looking tired and dowdy these days. Technically great but Tesla Model 3 is the Ford Cortina of the 2020's.
I'd take the gorgeous and exotic Audi every time especially as we know that EV drivetrains are nothing to worry about.
And of course there is the Musk stigma that goes with any Tesla these days. Inevitable given his political interventions.
Teslas are understating. They're not for showoffs. If you need a car to portray a dominant or aggressive picture of you, go for the audi. Well informed people will chuckle about it, but they'll try to hide it to not hurt your feelings.
@minso8164 yet tesla drivers are the new 'audi' drivers. Ironic
Without doubt the M3
Tax Credits, Interest Rate, Full Warranty, Extensive supercharge network and Service Centers. If those things don’t matter to you, go with the Audi it’s a better car, might not be a better experience though. Other US factors: M3P battery is a bit different and has fast charging capabilities not unlike Audi. Every Audi service center doesn’t have the capability to work on the E-Tron and there are various stories of customers having to wait weeks for parts and such.
I’d rather off the Wall comment is that Tesla do not have a service schedule and I’m pretty sure Audi do. And it won’t be cheap and I’m not sure why.
We run a Tesla MY and an EQC. Love the EQC for its quality, luxury feel, comfort, quietness… Tesla is, in the words of JC, white goods. Yes, it works, and just does its job extremely well, but it feels like an American rental car. The EQC is a far nicer place to be, even if it’s slightly less practical….
On this basis, it’d be the Audi all day!
Model 3 for me
I can't imagine paying 60 grand to drive around in a bland-mobile!?
I'd have to choose the Audi, but if I had that much money, I'd find the extra 5k and get the Ioniq 5 N!
Speaking of which, I seem to missing the video of Richard's of the Model 3 Performance getting trounced by Matt's 5N!
If it had to be a Tesla, I'd get the Model 3 Long Range (non performance) for about 20k!