Imogen becoming a lesbian felt very force and every time they show her with Sahar it felt wrong With zero chemistry, they should have let her straight, not everyone in the group have to be queer. 😒
I agree (slightly) with your view of checking boxes. As a retired professional counselor, however, I think the set-ups and portrayals of the relationships was accurate and compelling. Frankly, I also thought the 3rd season was the best. The acting was superb. And throughout all 3 seasons, I love the way music was woven with plot and characters. Assuming your stats are correct, I cant really explain the dropoff. What I do know is that HS became a cultural phenomenon. I could be content with 3 seasons. Whihle interested in the story for a S4, I would want to know more.
@@olliemorgan9735 definitely a cultural phenomenon surprised to see u like season 3 more than season 1 but as a counselor I'd imagine you have more empathy with season 3
i’m sorry but I just completely disagree, like every point i just felt the opposite. I think for the amount of viewership they’ll get for marketing it’s the final chapter of heartstopper, netflix will still have enough money and viewership to call it a success. I think Season 1 is the best but (for me) Season 3 is the second best. But I love this show, the characters, and especially the Nick and Charlie story. And also the actor that plays Darcy is a trans man, I think it was to make him feel more comfortable playing a nonbinary character than a lesbian.
@@satireskeptic6787 First off the author of the books said the 4th would be the last season anyway and second Netflix waited to long to release it I mean I know shooting was delayed because of the writer's and actor's strikes but releasing it in the fall when the major fanbase was back at school was poor decision they should have put it out around now since Christmas was part of the season. Viewership would have been higher
I also disagree. I actually think season 3 is the best season. Charlie’s storyline alone especially in episode 4, combined with Joe Lockes incredible acting skills, it catapulted the series and made it even more interesting and relatable to the LGBTQ community in my opinion. As much as I want an another season, I wouldn’t be surprised if a season 4 doesn’t come out because of how well season 3 wrapped up. I’d find it hard to make a whole new season simply because I feel there wasn’t as many loose ends as there were in season 1 and 2.
They didn’t make Darcy nonbinary to fill a diversity quota. The actor who plays Darcy came out as nonbinary (he/they pronouns) after filming S1, and that storyline was incorporated to make him feel more comfortable. You can feel it was forced or dislike how it played out, but the actor, like Darcy, was a teenager who initially identified as a queer woman and then realized that wasn’t who they were so it does happen. The dip in viewership is concerning, but I can’t say I agree with any of your other takes. I personally found the front half of the season stronger and thought Charlie’s journey and his relationship with Nick was still the most compelling part of the show, though imo Elle had the strongest B (secondary) plot. Isaac is also only frustrated with feeling left out (and with Tao specifically) for like 1.5 episodes, and he apologizes for being snippy… the way you went off on him you’d think he spends the whole season shitting on people’s relationships lol.
@@normaladjacent i agree tao and elle best plot. Issac does do this for half a season so it's not a whole season but damn it sure is half. I believe changing a character because the actor became nonbinary is the definition of forcing a character to change unnaturally but I can sympathize with wanting to make the actor feel comfortable. I just think the first half could have been done better I could write it all out the reasons but that would take a while.
Nah, Season 3 was great tbh. Season 2 is what would have killed the show, the consistent plot going back and forth of "will Nick come out, or not?" and pretty much rehashing the storyline of Nick and Charlie being in their honeymoon phase until like Episode 7. Not to mention the overbearing amount of Tao/Elle that was completely unnecessary, and they sidelined Tara/Darcy even if they had the more interesting side plot, this includes Isaac's useless plot that I didn't care about at all(sorry, not sorry, but bookworm needs to find a personality besides reading a book in every scene) I actually loved the 1st episode, which is disappointing because it all went downhill from there, even the extended Finale was embarrassing and drawn out lol. The best part of the season was Episode 1 and the final 10 minutes of the Season 2 Finale.
there one thing iam going to say about this show its beautiful and its amazing its help so many people around the word and the hole 3 season is perfect netflix havent said any thing as yet we still might get a season 4 but if we do it will be the last season i love this show and the cast and everyone who was a part in this beautiful story done a amazing job i love this show and i never stop watching it season 3 was perfect so of the other season its the best show i never watch i got my fingers cross for season 4 its a waiteing game now all we can do is waite and see what going to happen there still time
Ok so I see where you are coming from with this video but i very much feel your "research" wasn't really done properly. The reason that they have no idea about a 4th season is mostly based on the fact that volume 6 is still not fully complete which is what season 4 will be based on so no no one has a clue as to if there will be a season 4 yet until the final volume is released.. yes views and stuff might be down but the fact there is no source material for the final season is probably the main contributing factor and yes season 4 would be the very final season seeing as volume 6 is going to be the end of the Nick and Charlie story so you cant keep a series going when the source material says that its the end for their story. Darcy's character has been re written for the actor to be a lot more comfortable within themselves and to be able to portray the character properly they need to be able to be comfortable was it done the best no but it was not to tick all the boxes or to have a more diverse story it was literally to make the whole thing more accommodating specially when this show is fully supporting diversity if the writer of the show (who is also the writer of the book) was to say no sorry cant do that its not the character it would be fully going against supporting and celebrating the exact things the book and show is trying to put in a positive light. Also to say that the show has but all these dark topics in it shows that you may have really not fully looked at the source material either because this is honestly the one book to TV thing i have seen that is almost 100% true and honest to the source material did they need to make some small changed yes but so does everything that goes from a book was it only the things that had to be changed due to real life circumstances also yes. Also the whole thing about Isaacs personality and also Tao and elles relationship is it is meant to be annoying and you are meant to get frustrated and annoyed but at the same time see what is really behind how they are acting.
@@21stcenturyreaper i never said it didn't match source material except for Darcy. If cis people can play trans people why can't trans people play cis people. Also not mentioned but another check was Imogen forced gayness. Also u say I didn't do research but she's not writing the book then waiting to see for a renew she said if it were to be renewed she would do both at the same time...
@@satireskeptic6787 The fans of the comics have widely headcannoned for years about darcy being non-binary, and as a nb myself it made me very happy to see a character that represented my experience. so what if it doesn't match the source material perfectly, darcy isnt that big of a character in the books anyway, so why does it matter? It made the actor more comfortable and gave positive rep to a very under represented group so its a complete win in my books.
I love that you spent half of the video saying “THIS IS A FACT, not my opinion,” or “THIS IS JUST MY OPINION DONT COME FOR ME” 😂 as a huge fan of the show I wish we could get a season 4 but I am getting very worried. It’s been way too quiet… I agree that season 3 didn’t feel as strong as season 2 but I KNOW season 4 would be a banger as a fan of the books if Netflix would just let Alice do it.
Imogen becoming a lesbian felt very force and every time they show her with Sahar it felt wrong With zero chemistry, they should have let her straight, not everyone in the group have to be queer. 😒
I actually forgot about that one yes even the token straight could not make it to season 3 (I don't count Tao)
I agree (slightly) with your view of checking boxes. As a retired professional counselor, however, I think the set-ups and portrayals of the relationships was accurate and compelling. Frankly, I also thought the 3rd season was the best. The acting was superb. And throughout all 3 seasons, I love the way music was woven with plot and characters.
Assuming your stats are correct, I cant really explain the dropoff. What I do know is that HS became a cultural phenomenon. I could be content with 3 seasons. Whihle interested in the story for a S4, I would want to know more.
@@olliemorgan9735 definitely a cultural phenomenon surprised to see u like season 3 more than season 1 but as a counselor I'd imagine you have more empathy with season 3
i’m sorry but I just completely disagree, like every point i just felt the opposite. I think for the amount of viewership they’ll get for marketing it’s the final chapter of heartstopper, netflix will still have enough money and viewership to call it a success. I think Season 1 is the best but (for me) Season 3 is the second best. But I love this show, the characters, and especially the Nick and Charlie story. And also the actor that plays Darcy is a trans man, I think it was to make him feel more comfortable playing a nonbinary character than a lesbian.
It is very possible that you are completely correct. Also technically they are trans masculine now.
@@satireskeptic6787 First off the author of the books said the 4th would be the last season anyway and second Netflix waited to long to release it I mean I know shooting was delayed because of the writer's and actor's strikes but releasing it in the fall when the major fanbase was back at school was poor decision they should have put it out around now since Christmas was part of the season. Viewership would have been higher
@@nancycottone2155 I feel like it's wishful thinking to think that school stopped teens from watching television when the season is so short.
I also disagree. I actually think season 3 is the best season. Charlie’s storyline alone especially in episode 4, combined with Joe Lockes incredible acting skills, it catapulted the series and made it even more interesting and relatable to the LGBTQ community in my opinion. As much as I want an another season, I wouldn’t be surprised if a season 4 doesn’t come out because of how well season 3 wrapped up. I’d find it hard to make a whole new season simply because I feel there wasn’t as many loose ends as there were in season 1 and 2.
Ironically it was supposed to make it more relatable to the non-lgbt community unless you feel anxiety and eating disorders are exclusively for them.
They didn’t make Darcy nonbinary to fill a diversity quota. The actor who plays Darcy came out as nonbinary (he/they pronouns) after filming S1, and that storyline was incorporated to make him feel more comfortable. You can feel it was forced or dislike how it played out, but the actor, like Darcy, was a teenager who initially identified as a queer woman and then realized that wasn’t who they were so it does happen.
The dip in viewership is concerning, but I can’t say I agree with any of your other takes. I personally found the front half of the season stronger and thought Charlie’s journey and his relationship with Nick was still the most compelling part of the show, though imo Elle had the strongest B (secondary) plot. Isaac is also only frustrated with feeling left out (and with Tao specifically) for like 1.5 episodes, and he apologizes for being snippy… the way you went off on him you’d think he spends the whole season shitting on people’s relationships lol.
@@normaladjacent i agree tao and elle best plot. Issac does do this for half a season so it's not a whole season but damn it sure is half. I believe changing a character because the actor became nonbinary is the definition of forcing a character to change unnaturally but I can sympathize with wanting to make the actor feel comfortable. I just think the first half could have been done better I could write it all out the reasons but that would take a while.
Nah, Season 3 was great tbh. Season 2 is what would have killed the show, the consistent plot going back and forth of "will Nick come out, or not?" and pretty much rehashing the storyline of Nick and Charlie being in their honeymoon phase until like Episode 7.
Not to mention the overbearing amount of Tao/Elle that was completely unnecessary, and they sidelined Tara/Darcy even if they had the more interesting side plot, this includes Isaac's useless plot that I didn't care about at all(sorry, not sorry, but bookworm needs to find a personality besides reading a book in every scene)
I actually loved the 1st episode, which is disappointing because it all went downhill from there, even the extended Finale was embarrassing and drawn out lol. The best part of the season was Episode 1 and the final 10 minutes of the Season 2 Finale.
Ya season 2 was not the loveliest either unfortunately so you maybe right to some extent.
there one thing iam going to say about this show its beautiful and its amazing its help so many people around the word and the hole 3 season is perfect netflix havent said any thing as yet we still might get a season 4 but if we do it will be the last season i love this show and the cast and everyone who was a part in this beautiful story done a amazing job i love this show and i never stop watching it season 3 was perfect so of the other season its the best show i never watch i got my fingers cross for season 4 its a waiteing game now all we can do is waite and see what going to happen there still time
Ok so I see where you are coming from with this video but i very much feel your "research" wasn't really done properly. The reason that they have no idea about a 4th season is mostly based on the fact that volume 6 is still not fully complete which is what season 4 will be based on so no no one has a clue as to if there will be a season 4 yet until the final volume is released.. yes views and stuff might be down but the fact there is no source material for the final season is probably the main contributing factor and yes season 4 would be the very final season seeing as volume 6 is going to be the end of the Nick and Charlie story so you cant keep a series going when the source material says that its the end for their story. Darcy's character has been re written for the actor to be a lot more comfortable within themselves and to be able to portray the character properly they need to be able to be comfortable was it done the best no but it was not to tick all the boxes or to have a more diverse story it was literally to make the whole thing more accommodating specially when this show is fully supporting diversity if the writer of the show (who is also the writer of the book) was to say no sorry cant do that its not the character it would be fully going against supporting and celebrating the exact things the book and show is trying to put in a positive light. Also to say that the show has but all these dark topics in it shows that you may have really not fully looked at the source material either because this is honestly the one book to TV thing i have seen that is almost 100% true and honest to the source material did they need to make some small changed yes but so does everything that goes from a book was it only the things that had to be changed due to real life circumstances also yes. Also the whole thing about Isaacs personality and also Tao and elles relationship is it is meant to be annoying and you are meant to get frustrated and annoyed but at the same time see what is really behind how they are acting.
@@21stcenturyreaper i never said it didn't match source material except for Darcy. If cis people can play trans people why can't trans people play cis people. Also not mentioned but another check was Imogen forced gayness. Also u say I didn't do research but she's not writing the book then waiting to see for a renew she said if it were to be renewed she would do both at the same time...
@@satireskeptic6787 The fans of the comics have widely headcannoned for years about darcy being non-binary, and as a nb myself it made me very happy to see a character that represented my experience. so what if it doesn't match the source material perfectly, darcy isnt that big of a character in the books anyway, so why does it matter? It made the actor more comfortable and gave positive rep to a very under represented group so its a complete win in my books.
@cailinburlock2111 cause good television isn't about checking boxes
I love that you spent half of the video saying “THIS IS A FACT, not my opinion,” or “THIS IS JUST MY OPINION DONT COME FOR ME” 😂 as a huge fan of the show I wish we could get a season 4 but I am getting very worried. It’s been way too quiet… I agree that season 3 didn’t feel as strong as season 2 but I KNOW season 4 would be a banger as a fan of the books if Netflix would just let Alice do it.
Hopefully you are correct I would love a banger of a season 4 to be made :)
Omg heartstopper is canceled ❤😊😢😮
No word yet but if it isn't it will be after this next season.