Nastia Liukin vs. Shawn Johnson (3) : 2008 American Cup
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2013
- The story of Nastia and Shawn, and their rivalry, in the year leading up to the Beijing Olympics. Third Part : 2008 American Cup. It's the first meet of the 2008 season, how did the gymnasts face up?
It’s crazy to me that Nastia is only 5’3”. She looks like 5’8” on TV and the way we all talk about her like she’s so tall, except she’s only tall by gymnast standards lol
Molly LeBrun shes not tall BUT she has long legs. Longer than her torso. And that makes her lines look better and her to look taller. Even tho she really isn’t 😂 its all on the legs! If you see she has a smaller body compared to legs
Wow I didn't know she was only 5'3"! You're right she does look a lot taller on tv I would have thought at least 5'6"
Ya it’s probably because she’s around so many shorter people
Nastia’s lines, flexibility and precision are what make her stand out as a gymnast, where Shawn was always trying new skills and tumbled hard on every event, they’re both perfect to me.
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I agree 200%
They're actually really good friends...Shawn had a baby girl about 2 weeks ago in October & Nastia is the godmother
Really?! I admittedly don't know much about this sport. Thats soooo cool to hear though!!
I don't think they ever had anything happen bad between them. I remember thinking that there was no gymnast that had as many advantages as Nastia between parents and body type but here comes this mini dynamo that gave her a real run for the money. I think Shawn made Nastia had to be perfect enough to beat the Russians and Romanians, they were both the best gymnasts in the world AND AMERICAN at the same moment, we are so luck to have seen it.
They are friends but she is NOT the God mother. Her life long friend Jackie is.
@@stephyfra1243 she is Drew’s godmother
They’re best friends 🙂
unpopular/realistic opinion: these girls were not overscored, the scoring system was just not as strict.
lorenzo a so true! Everyone is blaming the judges but it’s not their fault that the scoring system just isn’t as strict
lorenzo targaryen exactly thank u
That's right. they made the CoP soo extreme now with deductions. What now is a 0.3-0.5 back then would be a 0.1-0.3. so it makes sense, the scoring right now.
Edit: And if we add the amount of artistry those gymnast show in their routines (specifically Nastia) the Execution scores are soo justified.
Exactly!!! That’s what the scoring system was at the time and people get mad at them for taking advantage of it. Each era of gymnastics is going to be different.
At that time they also counted the highest ten skills in a routine as well which made the start values higher.
I refuse to believe that this was 11 years ago
😂🇬🇧me too, I feel old .....big time!😫
Me 3 😭
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Hate that they were put against each other. They were both great and amazing, love their friendship.
I agree they were both phenomenal talents with completely different styles.
I like that you could hear Nastia and Shawn cheering for each other.
I will never, never, EVER get tired of watching N & S beam routines. Shawn's tumbling, Nastia's onodi..... the whole lot of both from start to finish = SO SATISFYING AND AWESOME 😍
Shawn was the cutest in the competition.
Shawn has all the power. Nastia has all the elegance. I love both styles and they both own their style. ❤️❤️
....."and Shawn Johnson takes away her throne."
I swear, did the media/public just WANT these poor girls to hate eachother?! We GET it, they're the two best in the sport (at this time) do ya REALLY have to throw digs like that in to torment them even more?!
Ya they pit them together so harshly it was so frustrating, as if they couldn't both be amazing.
And in reality they're actually best friends .
Yes they did. They created the idea of them being rivals!
Shawn and Nastia are so clean and amazing. Awesome to watch!
9.5 execution score on floor with a step out of bounds... 2008 was WILD.
I admire both of them. Each had their own unique style. But I love Nastia’s grace, beauty and artistry. It is artistic gymnastics. It’s wonderful they are friends.
Nastia's elongation, gracefulness and lines are unbeatable.
Shaun is so incredible on beam. noone comes close.
"Shawn has a very tricky mount..." Oh Tim. It's an A.
Madee Hornsey I think he meant the release after the mount
Honestly I think the commentators think all the skills look pretty tricky lol
@@mckenzieqiao4603 LOL. well Tim is an olympic gold medalist, he knows his stuff, but he always mixes up his words, but us avid viewers know what he means lol
Clearly, those commenting on how these gymnasts were overscored haven't been following the sport long enough to actually know how the scoring system has changed over the years. GTFO
W P LOL an olympic champion and a Canadian national champion, both from the 80s? Yeah, they’ve been following the sport for long enough. They probably thought it is too confusing for typical viewers
@@TheGymSavant read my comment again and come back
@@PTunnelly Oh, I thought you were talking about Tim and Elfi, my bad LOL yeah you're definitely right
@@TheGymSavant no worries
pls continue with the 08 nationals, trials and olympics!! i love these vs videos.. and it just makes me miss nastia and shawn more!
there’s many comments about how all of the gymnasts scores are too high or over scored. There scoring system in 2008 where different then it’s like now and also if you see the starting value for some of the events for these 2 that really helps there score and just the difficulty of these routes. They wouldn’t purposely make the scores higher if a gymnast gets a deduction then there score will go down
I am a Shawn Johnson fan all the way. There is just something about her as a gymnast and her skill.
He keeps calling her Nastia L-E-OOKIN. Not gunna lie...drove me a bit crazy.
Kim K. • What is it supposed to be? Or does she go by LEEOOKIN in the US?
@@eleo_b I always said LOOKIN
Two of the best beam workers Ever!
HannahRachel Xo I haven’t seen anyone recently who works the beam like those two. Not even Simone
Kristina Bostik Exactly! She doesn't have the beauty/grace/flexibility that they had.
@@hannahrachelxo2281 umm Simone never fails to hit her leaps on the beam, meanwhile Shawn..........
And her 2019's beam routines at World's bested these two's best beam routine.
@@ST6559 simones flexed feet make her beam really unflattering imho
Sean is a beautiful gymnast, hardworking, and dedicated. As an observer, she and Nastia are extraordinary. However, I love Nastia's fine lines and elegance. She makes every move look like a beautiful ballet performance. They are an amazing pair, with different yet very complimentary styles.
These girls are so freakin amazing, both have a style and talents all their own.
Nastia's beam routine was so pleasant to see
Even though Shawn didn't get the AA gold, I'm so happy she at least got the Beam gold to call her own.
The fact that they are best friends makes my heart happy
Shawn Johnson stuck the heck out of that beam routine!
Beautiful and amazing. Such discipline and grace
I swear nastia got 9.5 on her execution with a step out of bounds and a low landing
Austin Sing her landing wasn't that low and her form in the air was perfect so that only leaves the 5/10 deduction from the step and out of bounds
@@Jason12233 are you kidding? Her landing was fucking low ! She was way underrotated
The scoring today isn’t as loose and not strict as it used to be
Shawn - маленькая, крепкая сильная девочка
Центр тяжести у нее ниже, поэтому легче держать баланс
Настя, высокая с красивыми линиями, гибкая, растянутая, артистичная, элегантная!!!
Одна из самых красивых гимнасток за всю историю!!!
It's hard to believe but nastia actually isn't tall! Her lines make it look that way but she's actually only 5'3 😮
I love both❤
I vote for Shawn
20% of the comments: overscored.
40% of the comments: stop saying that they are overscored! Scoring wasn’t as strict
10% this was eleven years ago!
20% Team Shawn or Nastia
5% Don’t pick sides they’re both very unique and have great friendship!
5% other
This was a preview of the Olympics that year. It went down kind of the same way. Nastia took the lead on bars and solidified the lead on beam.
…Nastia was never…ever…better than Shawn on Beam…her only hope to come close to Shawn was on the UEBS…please stop with overstatements…
They are so good at what they do!!!
Nas is so tall she clipped the lower bar in uneven bars with her foot
She is only 5'3
Shawn and Nastia have more difficulty and way less wobbly on beam than 2019 Stuggart World Cup gymnasts.
To think thAt you could win an Olympic AA title with a 1.5 twisting yurchenko vault lol. Nowadays it's Amanar or no chance. How gymnastics has changed!
+liceous Lol. If you do a Yurchenko Double, you'll be crying like Komova for christ sake! Komova is crying now just cuz she wants
rene ruiz You’re an asshole. I don’t know what she’s talking about either, but you’re an asshole.
@Sammie Bradley Shawn was way more consistent. They lived in the Era of over scored bars...In the 2017-2020 cop Shawn won hands down
Gorgeous
Nastia Liukin...Beautiful! and Shawn Johnson a titan beauty!
I love Shawn's style!
I wonder what there scores would’ve been with today’s scoring system ??? I mean to think about it, if SIMONE BILES had competed with this system her scores would’ve been unimaginablee!!!
I like Shawn Johnson's music on floor
Shawn's vault was at least half a point overscored
marcello biehl the scoring system was different back then. Nastia was scoring close to a 17 on bars back then, you would never see that today
How did Nastia get a lower score than Shawn when she landed then only stepped out of bounds when Shawn lost her balance, fell, and was more out of bounds? I just don't understand😂 they're both great gymnasts i just noticed that
It is also about how difficult the vault is
+___just_ gianna___ The reason is the difficulty of the vaults. Nastia's difficulty value (D-score) was a mere 15.5 whereas Shawn's D-score was a huge 16.5. So even though Nastia only got 0.475 in deductions while Shawn got -1.325 in deduction, the total scores came out to be only about a tenth apart, with Shawn just in the lead.
Shawn did an entire extra twist.
Cause nastia skills were fucking easy ! Meanswhile Shawn's skills were the top at the game
@@gaviriak Nastia‘s bar score had a 7.7 d-score...
Shawn’s walk us so cute, I find myself giggling every time I see her walk away. Adorable beyond words.
Shes adorable and bubbly
Maravilhosas!
I love your videos of their "feud" through the years, will you plan to do the same with the Olympics?
Wonderful gymnastic
I was so nervous every time Shawn did Bhs bhs layout on beam!! Like one little step wrong and she would have landed in the floor😂 always so scary for me!
A for Nastia Liukin and A+ for Shawn Jonshon😌😜
Guys stop hateing on Nastia,She’s a very good gymnast.I once got to see her.Shes amazing don’t hate on her.
Would you like it if I came over here and said that to you.Ya,you wouldn’t like it.
Treat others the way you want to be treated
What if she sees you hating on her.
Were just saying that we think she should have been 2 this was not her best competition
I agree with you. Some people really are hating, just because Nastia won over Shawn.
Las ví a las dos en las olimpiadas no recuerdo q año fue,, ambas muy buenas el equipo de eua ganó muchas medallas de oro, ami gusto shawn era muy carismática y nastia se notaba un poco más pesadita pero si fue la mejor muy buena gano oro individual casi en todos tuvo medalla
Shawn Johnson
Shawn Johnson is my fav of all time dont get me wrong… but has she ever even tried to stick a UB/BB dismount? She’s rock solid but she still does that weird step to the side without fail.. such potential to stick everytime idk
Am I insane or does Shawn twist in different directions for her front full and Rudi?
Both beautiful girls. Love watching them. ❤
Se Shawn não tivesse caído, ela seria a campeã. Mas ela é espetacular Nastia também 😊
i love the bud light advertizement
god bless u all jimnastic my daughters
Nastia is so beautiful to watch on the beam
For shawns floor routine her song was and armenian song
I think they are so cute I could watch them all day.
There both good
They were great girls
9.1 e score for Natsia with that ub routine? That's what i call overscored. Actually they were both so overscored...
Can someone explain to me how the scoring works in gymnastics?
Basically you have a difficulty score and the execution score. The difficulty score is composed out of the skills on each event, a full turn on balance beam gives 0.1 for example and additionally the connections between the skills. Then there's added the execution score. It starts at 10.0 and you get deductions for execution mistakes like crossed legs. I have to mention though that since this scoring system was relatively new in 2008 that every gymnast got overscored in execution and sometimes even difficulty as Shawn Johnson never really got her amanar fully around.
Sorry for grammar mistakes, English is not my mother tongue.
Um 5:54 why is shayla worley third and fourth?
Oh I love those girls there just perfection!!!!❤️🎀🎉🎉🎁
Those NBC commentators were so into Shawn. Then after she didn’t get gold, they turned on her. Change them out already. Bring in John Rothlesberger and Shannon Miller.
They did the same to Nastia. She could do no wrong until 2007. Then it was all about how she was too old and injured.
I love them both but I have to go with shawn
Awesome women!!
you should do the Olympics!
Of course!
Nastia ❤
8:27 right to the end of the beam damn
I love watching these two! I just have one question though, I took the time to see what each of their scores were for each event, and Shawn had a better score on 3 out of 4 of the events... whereas Nastia only had a better score than Shawn on bars.... So how does this make Nastia come out as the winner? Im not a gymnast myself so I don't understand the scoring and deduction system so just wondered how the math adds up here.
Shawn and Nastia‘s vault score was almost the same, while Shawn’s bar score was nearly 1 whole point below nastias bar routine.
That's why Nastia won the all around in 08.
How does shown get an 8.675?! She falls -0.8, 3 big steps -0.9 and out off bounds -0.3. That's 2 full points just on the landing!
molly inglis you don't get the deductions for the steps if you fall
And a fall wasn't -0.8 back then...it was 0.5
@@amyfiltjens2530 Actually I'm pretty sure they upped the deduction for a fall to 0.8 in the 2006-8 COP, up from 0.5 in the perfect 10 system pre-2006.
@@reemaismail6573 Oh I thought they changed it the 2009-2012 cop, now I'm doubting between the two...Oh well, we can't change anything about it now haha
Bitch this was 2008 not 2016 !
Why Valeri Liukin doesn’t train gymnasts like he did with Nastia? Tumbling and choregraphy, not just tumbling and ugly moves. That sport is called Artistic gymnastics.
The name of the sport is artistic gymnastics and that is what she did not all choreo is great but she did not get over scored nastia was the best no matter what you do think or say
Why is the video quality as bad as the 1980's? This was 2008!
Shawn♥
1 now nastia and Shawn are best friends and nastia is FAST!
Itz Andrea fast?
I loved both girls but thought that both of them were really not as good in 08 as They could have been, they would not be able to stand up to the girls today
First couple years of the open scoring system probably made it seem like that.
Even if Nastia won the Olympics, still think Shawn is so much better
Liam Morris yesss
Everyone was SO. over scored here. Lol.
liceous the scoring system back then is different from our scoring system now. 😊
JOYCE W you’re gonna tell me Shawn vault was worth a 15.1 with a fall and four step? Everyone here was oversocred , especially Nastia.
Arath Gomez back then, falls only used to be .5, and the amanar vault was worth 16.5 :)
Na...their not overscored, you must consider the difficulty level they begin with, watch the little extras like how clean Luikin's landings were in the floor. On her floor exercise she began in the lead, points began to go down, one may start with a 15.0, and go down, another may start with a 14.0 and go down. That gives you extra wiggle room, just in case you step out of bounds or take extra steps. That why even stepping out of bounds she can still win.
To all the commenters here, yes the scoring system was slightly different but that doesn’t make any of these scores anything but laughable. Most of our current deductions today existed then. Nastia loses .9 alone on the UB dismount, for example. Which means the judges thought there were no errors or deductions in the interior of that routine despite at least two .300 handstands on the low bar.
She was 16 and I was about 4 😂 but I love her and her husband they are so cute
i love shawn she’s the best
Nastia was way OVERSCORED at bars, she was really good but not that good and that landing was just horrible !
Amen
Her starting value was so high, and she really only got execution deductions for the landing.
Everybody was technically overscored, Shawn and the other competitors as well.
Still think Shawn wins! She is the greatest!
Me caso con las dos.
didn't Nastia really screw up here on bars? seems she went thru her giants/pirouettes twice before her first release skill, then her dismount was almost a fall.
WTF was that scores???
So Ridiculous and Funny 😅
Good😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shawn is better
Nastia's UB score was laughable. The more I watch that horrid, frog leg double front with half twist, the more I think the double layout had to be better than that, even with her height. That dismount has never once looked good for her.
Joey Lehman hater. She's one of the best bar workers ever and she could improve on her dismount, but her normal bar routine can score in the 17s!
I’m sorry but honestly could you do any better than her? If not, you shouldn’t be rude about it
The way you said it came off as hate she is a great bars worker that didn’t deserve this comment.
in my opinion, i prefer shawn over nastia. but they were both so overscored. Plus, why would you put them against eachother? But their friendship now is amazing.
2:46 REJECTED
Gia Donati nastia was always salty as hell towards Shawn in competition!
Nastia won noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel bad for shawn cause she usually wins!
Cynthia Flores then why would u feel bad for her. She lost one competition out of all the other ones she's competed in. Lol it was her vault