Soon, with God's grace, I will rejoin the true Church : the one, holy, catholic, apostolic and orthodox Church ! Christ is risen, Amen, Alleluia ! May our Lord's grace be will all of you, Orthodox brothers !
The choir here sings so bright and wonderful, Glory to God and may the lords grace be with all my orthodox faithful, greetings from my small mission in Northern Ireland!
Orthodox in what sense? The West is Indebted to Catholicism, The early Gauls would consider themselves Roman Christians, Same with the Anglo Saxons, the germans etc.. Eastern liturgy, customs and theology would be alien to western christendom..the orthodox have a tendency to consider all pre schism saints "orthodox" which is a ridiculous notion, its called Western Christendom for a reason, Its separate from eastern christendom ..many of these western liturgies survived until the council of trent when Rome decided to rein in the liturgical movements, which the east has also done many times .. but honestly these cultures are part of western christendom , the western rite churches are a very weak attempt at evangelization.. but Western Culture was and is a catholic culture im sorry to tell you , the theology, monasticism, liturgy would have fallen in line with the greater western christian culture and would appear alien to the east.. Just look at your church, the divine liturgy, the aesthetics ..they are very alien to the west, Now go to a tridentine mass, or an old Catholic Church and look at the aesthetics The West was and always will be Catholic
steven tipton The controversy isn’t “West Versus East”, per se, it never really was, beyond the petty, fleeting secular political aspects. It ALL comes down to what the actual jurisdictional powers of the pope really are. I’ve been Roman Catholic, born and raised, but I’ve had to face some hard truths, but none more important then this: IF the Pope really IS theoretically the supreme pontiff of ALL that is Catholic and Orthodox, East and West, even if that was always theoretically possible, this special authority could never ITSELF be legally authoritative until a VALID ecumenical council representing all five Patriarchies could unanimously agree to it. From then on, the Pope would have supreme authority, but how could it be so before then? And how have the recent Popes’ capitulation to modernist pressures to functionally renounce their status as a monarch not hurt the matter? The Vacate Sevadist position also seems absurd to me. The seat has been vacant for 60 years, yet God prevented error from being taught all the time before? “Papal infallibility”, a rather stupidly oversimplified term, is theoretically at least two things: God will make a special exception to never interfering with free will whenever a Pope is tempted to teach error, and directly influence him to do otherwise, and it is an EXCEPTIONALLY special and rare ability allowing an authoritative, EXCLUSIVELY negative veto power to counter any increasingly popular heresy spreading so fast that there is no time to gather a council to counter it properly. Yet, any such notions as, say, “priestesses”, were successfully stamped out of the Orthodox without any of the other four Patriarchs having such special powers. I look at the evidence presented and on a more careful examination a real case can be made that God has influenced several popes to be LESS fallible, but the more I think about it , HOW can that evidence by ITSELF prove special powers unless a PROPER ecumenical council unanimously agreed to it? It’s such a Old Western conceit to make such a claim. We need a new more Humble Western Rite. One that is both older and paradoxically YOUNGER then the one currently making so many errors. We have to admit that, while most of the ideas of the Scholastics do deserve a PROPER day in an actual Authoritative court, and always did, it hasn’t actually happened yet. Except for the role Islam has played (such as the ottoman puppet bishops), it doesn’t even matter WHY. We need a fresh start and that means admitting our theories about jurisdiction, at the VERY LEAST have been wrong. We can then use modern technology to go through all the old controversies relatively quickly (as in, it won’t take us 200 years) up through Trent one by one to plan for a LEGITIMATE 8th council in the future. But “Vatican 1&2”? I just don’t see almost any legitimate ideas to discuss in those anymore, apart from A new theory of “LOW Fallibility”. I think that might have a chance of being dogmatically recognizable in a future legitimate council.
@@xskramx8078 this liturgy is western. The Church in the Gauls was influenced by the Eastern missionaries. You clearly have zero knowledge of Liturgics, nor church history. This rite was surpressed by Clovis and Charlemagne. I am Orthodox and personally use the Tridentine Rite, but I am not ignorant of this liturgical tradition. The West and East were one. Romanism is a group of hereises from Greek hellinism, imposed on the Western people by the Roman Pope.
@@xskramx8078 Orthodox in sense of doctrine; "orthodoxy" is not only the East and not only in Byzantine rite. Latin Mass is legitimate as well as Greek Divine Liturgy. Problem is that while greek liturgy is still contain doctrine of orthodoxy, Latin Mass through its history absorb many Roman Catholics' mistakes
0:00 Entrée de l'Évêque (Bishop's Entrance) 2:07 Praelegendum 4:37 Trisagion 6:00 Kyrie eleison 6:50 Les étendards du roi s'avancent (The Royal Banners Forward Go) 9:04 Collecte (Collect) 10:18 Graduel (Gradual) 12:11 Lecture Apostolique (Epistle Reading) 14:23 Benedicte (Song of the Three Children) 15:29 Alleluia 16:22 Lecture de L'Évangile (Gospel Reading) 20:06 Cantique de l'Apocalypse (Apocalyptic Hymn) 21:16 Litanies 30:46 Proclamation de la foi (Nicene Creed) 33:44 Sonus (Let all mortal flesh keep silence...) 35:27 Laudes 36:10 Diptyques (Diptychs) 39:49 Baiser de paix (Kiss of Peace) 41:47 Anaphore (Anaphora) 43:42 Sanctus (Holy, Holy, Holy) 45:11 Recit de l'institution (Words of Institution) 46:12 Anamnèse (Anamnesis) 47:23 Nous Te prions, Seigneur (We pray you, Lord) 48:20 Bénédiction des éléments (Blessing of the Elements) 49:11 Fraction du pain (Breaking of the Bread) 50:46 Notre Père (The Lord's Prayer) 52:27 Élévation des dons (Elevation of the Gifts) 53:28 Communion des fidèles (Communion of the Faithful) 56:17 Renvoi (Dismissal) 57:35 Collecte de Postcommunion (Postcommunion Collect) 58:29 Hymne d'action de grâces (Hymn of Thanksgiving) 1:00:01 Bénédiction finale (Final Blessing) 1:01:21 Ad Multos Annos (To Many Years)
@@RhenishHelm Hi, firend, would you have the poliphonic score of "6:50 Les étendards du roi s'avancent (The Royal Banners Forward Go)"? I'd be so grateful...!!!
@@fernandolh6538 unfortunately, I do not have access to such, but if you search for a score under "Vexilla Regis Prodeunt," you may find what you're looking for.
Merci infiniment d'avoir mis en ligne cette liturgie, je suis de cette eglise (l'ECOF), Mais j'habite desormais loin de toutes paroisses et jusqu'a present je n'avais jamais trouve cette liturgie sur le web... Vraiment un grand grand MERCI!
As captioned above this was sung by the choir of the Orthodox Cathedral of St. Irénée in Paris, France forthe feast of the Holy Cross; it is the cathedral for Eglise Catholique Orthodoxe de France (ECOF). This is link to The Divine Liturgy according to Saint Germanus of Paris (English translation) : www.stjohndsm.org/Gallican%20130312%20a.pdf It doesn’t have the movable hymns for the feast of the Holy Cross. They are currently not in communion with any other Orthodox church, but at one time Vladyka John Maximovitch (now St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia) celebrated this liturgy with them. Currently (as far as I know) my parish is the only Orthodox parish in the U.S. that celebrates this liturgy with the blessing of our bishop Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR. St. John the Wonderworker Orthodox Church in Des Moines, Iowa. www.stjohndsm.org/ Come join us!
It is definitely a beautiful liturgy, a nice bridge between the Byzantine & Slavic traditions. I love to celebrate it, although I was formed in the Byzantine monophonic sphere of music with the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom & Basil.
Brian Herman Which setting of Vespers do you all use? Is there a specific Gallican Rite setting that your parish uses for Vespers? If so, is there a website where I can find it?
Nothing short of amazing. Where can I purchase this? I actually have plans to attend a Western Rite Orthodox Church that uses the Liturgy of St. Germanus of Paris.
This is amazing, I really hope the French Orthodox Churches will become canonical again. I know its a complicated mess. Where can I find more material like this?
Ian Buckmaster you can find a lot of their chants on youtube, specificaly on the account of "Bruno HOUVER" (he is the chief of the choir). And also a lot of videos on "Eglise catholique orthodoxe de France" that contain
Which canonical Orthodox Church ? they are so numerous.... what i can tell you is that they have two new bishops more, now, one has been sent by "le synode russe hors frontière", this one that was lead in the fifties/sexties, by John of Shangaï and San Francisco, whom is like a father for orthodox church of France...it's very recent, and a great thing for this orthodox church of France, that was as "orphan" since several years....
verte nature, so the ECOF has or has not been in dialogue with the canonical Orthodox Church? I understand your counter-question was meant to safe-guard your view of the ECOF's legitimacy as a local Orthodox Church but I believe you do understand what I was asking.
It is a Gallican Liturgy - It is an attempted restoration of the Liturgy that was used in France during the time of Saint Germanus, using the rubrics he set forth. It was approved by Saint John the Wonderworker and is used by some Western Churches, although mostly by the Orthodox Church in France, said church which is in schism from the canonical Orthodox Church.
You can find it online. It is a reputable reconstruction of the ancient Gallican Liturgy described by St Germain with some descreet additions, mainly to the festal office, from eastern rites. .
@@mattb9914 they just are not recognized by others due to political reasons. "Canonical" isn't really a distinction. They hold the exact same faith that Russia and Greece do, they just are not allowed access by them.
Edmund Burke effectivement il y a une influence russe dans les chants de cette eglise car sa fondation a ete l'oeuvre d'emigres russes (Eugraph Kowalevsky devenu Monseigneur Jean de St Denys et sacre eveque justement par St Jean de Shangai et de St Francisco, et son frere Maxime) dans la 1ere moitie du XXeme siecle, il y a eu tout un immense travail d'archeologie chretienne pour restaurer le rite primitif des 1ers siecles chretiens en Gaule. Il y a beaucoup de choses occidentales specifiques et Maxime Kowalevsky a tres evidemment apporte sa culture russe dans la mise en forme. Mais franchement ce n'est pas "trop" russe, Mais ca en a la richesse !
Indeed, I call their pseudo-rite a platypus rite : take the anaphora on Saint James liturgy, pick some texts from different manuscript, take this from here and there... use Russian musci in Bortniansky style, do not forget some Gregorian song... shake all of it and here you go.
Qu'importe Bruno : Qu'est ce qui est le plus important ? Le partage du trésor de la liturgie selon St Germain de Paris, ou les quelques euros rapportés par la vente des disques ? Je sais bien qu'on ne vit pas d'amour et d'eau fraîche, mais la négation du trésor inestimable que constitue cette liturgie selon St Germain de Paris est tellement plus dramatique que les trous dans le porte monnaie ! Plus cette liturgie sera connue , plus nous sortirons de l'exil que nous connaissons en tant que chrétiens orthodoxes d'occident. Depuis 1993 je suis "sur le bord des fleuves de Babylone, là nous pleurions en nous souvenant...". du temps où nous célébrions la liturgie d'Occident dans la communion avec nos frères d'Orient. Quand saurons nous être unis pour adorer ensemble en esprit et vérité au lieu d'être, unis orient contre occident et occident contre orient ; Et là j'enlève les majuscules car on est au ras des pâquerettes et on broute en enfer ! Colette
@@brunohouver Ok pour le dire mais merci (un peu quand même) au pirate qui fait de la pub pour une Tradition qui, à mon sens, a toute sa place dans l'immense cortège de ceux qui adorent en Esprit et Vérité. C'est si facile "ÊTRE UNIS ET FAIRE FRONT CONTRE", mais si difficile d'être "UNIS POUR" UN BUT COMMUN DANS NOS MULTIPLES DIVERSITES". Bienvenue à ceux qui marchent dans la joie et l'émerveillement de la prière avec nous. Mais tu as quand même raison : dans le respect des règles.
There was no surviving source of Gallican chant. Instead of adopting another western chant system wholesale Maxime Kovalevski composed modern music of rather Russian style for their Liturgy and Office but he incorporated some western themes when it appeared expedient.
Three men have helped me lose my faith in the church. The patriarch of Constantinople, the patriarch of Moscow, and the Bishop of Rome. These men supposedly represent Jesus Christ to us. I don’t see Jesus in the Gospel jealously protecting his rights.
God please grant them to come back into communion ☦️
Je suis tombé amoureux de cette liturgie. Vive la Sainte France !
Sublime liturgie ! Gloire au Père, au Fils et au Saint-Esprit !
Soon, with God's grace, I will rejoin the true Church : the one, holy, catholic, apostolic and orthodox Church ! Christ is risen, Amen, Alleluia ! May our Lord's grace be will all of you, Orthodox brothers !
I hope this message finds you well and I hope you made it back in time. Pray for me, someone who also seeks The Way
The choir here sings so bright and wonderful, Glory to God and may the lords grace be with all my orthodox faithful,
greetings from my small mission in Northern Ireland!
Never ever forget the west was orthodox longer than it was catholic! Always remember the countless native saints of France! Glory to the Lord
Orthodox in what sense?
The West is Indebted to Catholicism, The early Gauls would consider themselves Roman Christians, Same with the Anglo Saxons, the germans etc.. Eastern liturgy, customs and theology would be alien to western christendom..the orthodox have a tendency to consider all pre schism saints "orthodox" which is a ridiculous notion, its called Western Christendom for a reason, Its separate from eastern christendom ..many of these western liturgies survived until the council of trent when Rome decided to rein in the liturgical movements, which the east has also done many times .. but honestly these cultures are part of western christendom , the western rite churches are a very weak attempt at evangelization..
but Western Culture was and is a catholic culture im sorry to tell you , the theology, monasticism, liturgy would have fallen in line with the greater western christian culture and would appear alien to the east.. Just look at your church, the divine liturgy, the aesthetics ..they are very alien to the west, Now go to a tridentine mass, or an old Catholic Church and look at the aesthetics
The West was and always will be Catholic
steven tipton
The controversy isn’t “West Versus East”, per se, it never really was, beyond the petty, fleeting secular political aspects.
It ALL comes down to what the actual jurisdictional powers of the pope really are. I’ve been Roman Catholic, born and raised, but I’ve had to face some hard truths, but none more important then this: IF the Pope really IS theoretically the supreme pontiff of ALL that is Catholic and Orthodox, East and West, even if that was always theoretically possible, this special authority could never ITSELF be legally authoritative until a VALID ecumenical council representing all five Patriarchies could unanimously agree to it. From then on, the Pope would have supreme authority, but how could it be so before then? And how have the recent Popes’ capitulation to modernist pressures to functionally renounce their status as a monarch not hurt the matter?
The Vacate Sevadist position also seems absurd to me. The seat has been vacant for 60 years, yet God prevented error from being taught all the time before?
“Papal infallibility”, a rather stupidly oversimplified term, is theoretically at least two things: God will make a special exception to never interfering with free will whenever a Pope is tempted to teach error, and directly influence him to do otherwise, and it is an EXCEPTIONALLY special and rare ability allowing an authoritative, EXCLUSIVELY negative veto power to counter any increasingly popular heresy spreading so fast that there is no time to gather a council to counter it properly.
Yet, any such notions as, say, “priestesses”, were successfully stamped out of the Orthodox without any of the other four Patriarchs having such special powers.
I look at the evidence presented and on a more careful examination a real case can be made that God has influenced several popes to be LESS fallible, but the more I think about it , HOW can that evidence by ITSELF prove special powers unless a PROPER ecumenical council unanimously agreed to it? It’s such a Old Western conceit to make such a claim.
We need a new more Humble Western Rite. One that is both older and paradoxically YOUNGER then the one currently making so many errors.
We have to admit that, while most of the ideas of the Scholastics do deserve a PROPER day in an actual Authoritative court, and always did, it hasn’t actually happened yet. Except for the role Islam has played (such as the ottoman puppet bishops), it doesn’t even matter WHY. We need a fresh start and that means admitting our theories about jurisdiction, at the VERY LEAST have been wrong. We can then use modern technology to go through all the old controversies relatively quickly (as in, it won’t take us 200 years) up through Trent one by one to plan for a LEGITIMATE 8th council in the future. But “Vatican 1&2”? I just don’t see almost any legitimate ideas to discuss in those anymore, apart from A new theory of “LOW Fallibility”. I think that might have a chance of being dogmatically recognizable in a future legitimate council.
@@eldermillennial8330 Fantastic comment, well said
@@xskramx8078 this liturgy is western. The Church in the Gauls was influenced by the Eastern missionaries. You clearly have zero knowledge of Liturgics, nor church history. This rite was surpressed by Clovis and Charlemagne. I am Orthodox and personally use the Tridentine Rite, but I am not ignorant of this liturgical tradition. The West and East were one. Romanism is a group of hereises from Greek hellinism, imposed on the Western people by the Roman Pope.
@@xskramx8078 Orthodox in sense of doctrine; "orthodoxy" is not only the East and not only in Byzantine rite.
Latin Mass is legitimate as well as Greek Divine Liturgy. Problem is that while greek liturgy is still contain doctrine of orthodoxy, Latin Mass through its history absorb many Roman Catholics' mistakes
Glory to The Father and to The Son and to The Holy Spirit now and forever and to the ages of ages amen!
Thank you for uploading such a Holy Liturgy!
0:00 Entrée de l'Évêque (Bishop's Entrance)
2:07 Praelegendum
4:37 Trisagion
6:00 Kyrie eleison
6:50 Les étendards du roi s'avancent (The Royal Banners Forward Go)
9:04 Collecte (Collect)
10:18 Graduel (Gradual)
12:11 Lecture Apostolique (Epistle Reading)
14:23 Benedicte (Song of the Three Children)
15:29 Alleluia
16:22 Lecture de L'Évangile (Gospel Reading)
20:06 Cantique de l'Apocalypse (Apocalyptic Hymn)
21:16 Litanies
30:46 Proclamation de la foi (Nicene Creed)
33:44 Sonus (Let all mortal flesh keep silence...)
35:27 Laudes
36:10 Diptyques (Diptychs)
39:49 Baiser de paix (Kiss of Peace)
41:47 Anaphore (Anaphora)
43:42 Sanctus (Holy, Holy, Holy)
45:11 Recit de l'institution (Words of Institution)
46:12 Anamnèse (Anamnesis)
47:23 Nous Te prions, Seigneur (We pray you, Lord)
48:20 Bénédiction des éléments (Blessing of the Elements)
49:11 Fraction du pain (Breaking of the Bread)
50:46 Notre Père (The Lord's Prayer)
52:27 Élévation des dons (Elevation of the Gifts)
53:28 Communion des fidèles (Communion of the Faithful)
56:17 Renvoi (Dismissal)
57:35 Collecte de Postcommunion (Postcommunion Collect)
58:29 Hymne d'action de grâces (Hymn of Thanksgiving)
1:00:01 Bénédiction finale (Final Blessing)
1:01:21 Ad Multos Annos (To Many Years)
Merci 🙏
Bonjour, serait il possible d'avoir la partition de l'hymne "Les étendards du roi s'avancent" (6:50) s'il vous plaît?
@@antoinelecomte7650 done!
@@RhenishHelm Hi, firend, would you have the poliphonic score of "6:50 Les étendards du roi s'avancent (The Royal Banners Forward Go)"? I'd be so grateful...!!!
@@fernandolh6538 unfortunately, I do not have access to such, but if you search for a score under "Vexilla Regis Prodeunt," you may find what you're looking for.
Merci infiniment d'avoir mis en ligne cette liturgie, je suis de cette eglise (l'ECOF), Mais j'habite desormais loin de toutes paroisses et jusqu'a present je n'avais jamais trouve cette liturgie sur le web... Vraiment un grand grand MERCI!
mais on peut quand même acheter les CD !
That's beautiful singing. It gives me medieval feelings. Where life still was life.
Je suis decidé de visiter cette eglise avec l' aide de Dieu!
This is a phenomenal liturgy, thank you so much for uploading this! Christ is risen!!!
Garrett Frugé Yes Garrett this liturgy is just AMAZING, bringing all the being in hands of God
Beautiful! The choir is perfect. This is a blessing to listen to.
Southlander1000 Yes the choir is realy excellent!
As captioned above this was sung by the choir of the Orthodox Cathedral of St. Irénée in Paris, France forthe feast of the Holy Cross; it is the cathedral for Eglise Catholique Orthodoxe de France (ECOF). This is link to The Divine Liturgy according to Saint Germanus of Paris (English translation) : www.stjohndsm.org/Gallican%20130312%20a.pdf It doesn’t have the movable hymns for the feast of the Holy Cross.
They are currently not in communion with any other Orthodox church, but at one time Vladyka John Maximovitch (now St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia) celebrated this liturgy with them. Currently (as far as I know) my parish is the only Orthodox parish in the U.S. that celebrates this liturgy with the blessing of our bishop Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR. St. John the Wonderworker Orthodox Church in Des Moines, Iowa. www.stjohndsm.org/ Come join us!
Brian Herman Would you ever consider putting up a video of your Sunday liturgy? I do desire to see and hear this liturgy in English.
One of these days. The pastor of our mission has talked about doing it, but I don't know what his time line is; he calls the shots on that one.
It is definitely a beautiful liturgy, a nice bridge between the Byzantine & Slavic traditions. I love to celebrate it, although I was formed in the Byzantine monophonic sphere of music with the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom & Basil.
Brian Herman Which setting of Vespers do you all use? Is there a specific Gallican Rite setting that your parish uses for Vespers? If so, is there a website where I can find it?
Beautiful! Thank you for the upload! I wish things would go better for the western rite orthodoxy...
Stunningly beautiful
This music may be the best sound this side of Heaven.
Una de las Liturgias màs lindas que hay!!!!
Inspiring and love the comments!
This is absolutely beautiful. I love that they're using Gregorian chant.
Beautiful
Excellent!!!
C'est très beau.
Nothing short of amazing. Where can I purchase this? I actually have plans to attend a Western Rite Orthodox Church that uses the Liturgy of St. Germanus of Paris.
Aller sur le site de l'Association Saint Germain de Paris
Christ is Risen!
This is amazing, I really hope the French Orthodox Churches will become canonical again. I know its a complicated mess. Where can I find more material like this?
Ian Buckmaster you can find a lot of their chants on youtube, specificaly on the account of "Bruno HOUVER" (he is the chief of the choir). And also a lot of videos on "Eglise catholique orthodoxe de France" that contain
Ian Buckmaster (suite) that contain the homelies of Monseigneur Germain, their bishop.
Have they been in any dialogue with the canonical Orthodox Church recently?
Which canonical Orthodox Church ? they are so numerous.... what i can tell you is that they have two new bishops more, now, one has been sent by "le synode russe hors frontière", this one that was lead in the fifties/sexties, by John of Shangaï and San Francisco, whom is like a father for orthodox church of France...it's very recent, and a great thing for this orthodox church of France, that was as "orphan" since several years....
verte nature, so the ECOF has or has not been in dialogue with the canonical Orthodox Church? I understand your counter-question was meant to safe-guard your view of the ECOF's legitimacy as a local Orthodox Church but I believe you do understand what I was asking.
How different with Liturgy of St. John or St. Basil?
I wish we had subtitles :(
J'ai trouvé ce chant très beau. Je dois être à Paris dès mardi prochain. Où la cathédrale de St.-Irénée se trouve-t-elle exactement?
Robert ShillennParoisse Cathédrale SAINT- IRÉNÉE. 96, bd Auguste Blanqui. 75013 PARIS. Tél : 01 43 36 83 45.
Where is the text of this liturgy? Is it a Gallican liturgy, or simply an orthodox liturgy celebrated at St. Germain des Pres?
It is a Gallican Liturgy -
It is an attempted restoration of the Liturgy that was used in France during the time of Saint Germanus, using the rubrics he set forth. It was approved by Saint John the Wonderworker and is used by some Western Churches, although mostly by the Orthodox Church in France, said church which is in schism from the canonical Orthodox Church.
You can find it online. It is a reputable reconstruction of the ancient Gallican Liturgy described by St Germain with some descreet additions, mainly to the festal office, from eastern rites. .
St. Germain des Pres is a Catholic church in Paris using the Roman Rite.
@@severianmonk7394 link?
@@mattb9914 they just are not recognized by others due to political reasons. "Canonical" isn't really a distinction. They hold the exact same faith that Russia and Greece do, they just are not allowed access by them.
ua-cam.com/video/kRK_veqdSQ0l/v-deo.htmlisten also to Rev. Komitas' four-voice liturgy.
Where did they get the tones? It sounds too Russian.
Edmund Burke effectivement il y a une influence russe dans les chants de cette eglise car sa fondation a ete l'oeuvre d'emigres russes (Eugraph Kowalevsky devenu Monseigneur Jean de St Denys et sacre eveque justement par St Jean de Shangai et de St Francisco, et son frere Maxime) dans la 1ere moitie du XXeme siecle, il y a eu tout un immense travail d'archeologie chretienne pour restaurer le rite primitif des 1ers siecles chretiens en Gaule. Il y a beaucoup de choses occidentales specifiques et Maxime Kowalevsky a tres evidemment apporte sa culture russe dans la mise en forme.
Mais franchement ce n'est pas "trop" russe, Mais ca en a la richesse !
verte nature English?
Indeed, I call their pseudo-rite a platypus rite : take the anaphora on Saint James liturgy, pick some texts from different manuscript, take this from here and there... use Russian musci in Bortniansky style, do not forget some Gregorian song... shake all of it and here you go.
cela s'appelle du piratage que du mettre un CD à la disposition de tout le monde, alors qu'il est en vente
Qu'importe Bruno : Qu'est ce qui est le plus important ? Le partage du trésor de la liturgie selon St Germain de Paris, ou les quelques euros rapportés par la vente des disques ? Je sais bien qu'on ne vit pas d'amour et d'eau fraîche, mais la négation du trésor inestimable que constitue cette liturgie selon St Germain de Paris est tellement plus dramatique que les trous dans le porte monnaie !
Plus cette liturgie sera connue , plus nous sortirons de l'exil que nous connaissons en tant que chrétiens orthodoxes d'occident. Depuis 1993 je suis "sur le bord des fleuves de Babylone, là nous pleurions en nous souvenant...". du temps où nous célébrions la liturgie d'Occident dans la communion avec nos frères d'Orient.
Quand saurons nous être unis pour adorer ensemble en esprit et vérité au lieu d'être, unis orient contre occident et occident contre orient ; Et là j'enlève les majuscules car on est au ras des pâquerettes et on broute en enfer ! Colette
@@colettehenry3145 Tout a fait de ton avis ! mais quand même, cela n'empêche pas le respect élémentaire. On peut demander non ?
@@brunohouver
Ok pour le dire mais merci (un peu quand même) au pirate qui fait de la pub pour une Tradition qui, à mon sens, a toute sa place dans l'immense cortège de ceux qui adorent en Esprit et Vérité. C'est si facile "ÊTRE UNIS ET FAIRE FRONT CONTRE", mais si difficile d'être "UNIS POUR" UN BUT COMMUN DANS NOS MULTIPLES DIVERSITES". Bienvenue à ceux qui marchent dans la joie et l'émerveillement de la prière avec nous. Mais tu as quand même raison : dans le respect des règles.
The singing sounds very eastern.
There was no surviving source of Gallican chant. Instead of adopting another western chant system wholesale Maxime Kovalevski composed modern music of rather Russian style for their Liturgy and Office but he incorporated some western themes when it appeared expedient.
@severian monk thank you, where can I read more of this? Are you really a monk btw?
Three men have helped me lose my faith in the church. The patriarch of Constantinople, the patriarch of Moscow, and the Bishop of Rome. These men supposedly represent Jesus Christ to us. I don’t see Jesus in the Gospel jealously protecting his rights.
The Bishop of Rome is a heretic, so you shouldn't pay him any mind
your faith was very weak to begin with if you are so upset about CIA orchestrated schism 🙂