Totally agree. I prefer Solo to any of the sequels. I thought it was an OK heist movie, some cringey moments, sure but not as bad as The Last Jedi, it was the blowback from The Last Jedi that made Solo bomb. There is one a simple solution to solving the dirth of quality Star Wars content, 1. Remove KK from CEO. 2. Hire someone who is NOT an activist pushing "The Message". Do this, make it public, this will buy some goodwill, not a lot, hire decent writers and not activists, just make it, no messages about diversity/inclusion, make Stars Wars, Star Wars, and just watch what happens.
It was The Force Awakens and JJ Abrams that crashed Star Wars.. That film had so little going for it and such a tremendous lack of planning that the universal quote from fans was: "it will all make sense in the next movies." Abrams was the architect of Star Wars' doom, as he is for nearly every franchise that he touches.
@@brysonbauer8451 That is the reason why I didn't go see it and still won't see it. Also when I learned that the movie reveals that Solo is named Solo because he is alone was enough for me to know the approach they took to the movie and Star Wars. Which is to say, it is to be deconstructed and considered silly nonsense for the most part.
and it had been a bunch of small wounds inflicted over a long period that lead there, eventually they got bold and went nuts and it killed everything and in the attempt to save it they inflicted more damage that caused death..... the shit with the EU, clone wars show in it's entirety, if they really wanted to get real fans on board it shoulda been hardcore from the start, it shoulda started as a covert mission at geonosis and the longer protracted battle therof establishing the kind of show it'd be then reducing the run to 10 episodes at 1 hour length each, making each episode a mini movie if they did it right seaons 1-5 the war, seasons 6+ the formation of the empire and early years to the phase out of the clones as the end old liked heroes phased out as new clones get rotated in, less of morrison's voice and more generic voices near the end and really show how bad it got for the people of the galaxy instead clone wars was presented as a kids movie sold to hardcore old fans, the show was worse but supposedly got better but to understand the story you need to watch the early series so for me it's at an impass, I don't need the clone wars story that much but in saying that is an absolute failure on their part....and a nail in the coffin the sequels all suck ass, the standalones suck, the new shows suck donkey dikk, there is no saving grace even fukking jedi fallen order is borked cus they included the first stage of construction of starkiller base, illium becomes starkiller base!! take a long look at that trench, it's SK base!! new battlefront 2 is also connected heavily to sequel trilogy so SW is fukked six ways to sunday in my book..... what's sad is an IP...a story I kept close to my heard my whole life was made into a repugnant hateful thing, something that no longer resembles hope but despair!!! and i blame them for it, it's not on us, it's on them....they made US hate this stuff, burn ha;lf the world and you get half the world's hate in return and that's what Disney did
@@silverjohn6037 The Last Jedi was a redwood trunk that broke the camel's back. People entered TLJ's theaters eager to see it. Star Wars was peak hype before people actually saw it.
There was a young guy on UA-cam at the time that was doing a spot-on impersonation of Han as well as looking like a young Harrison Ford. But they decided on Alden Ehrenreich, who manages to be the most uninteresting character in every film he's in.
Anthony Ingruber was right there! And he already had a history of playing a young Harrison Ford! Disney is run by people who are either stupid, evil or both. Usually both.
@@infinityryvus What is it about Alden that makes him a fit whereas the guy who looked and sounded like (and is an actor) a young Harrison Ford (and I think is taller) did not fit? Very odd casting choice but sometimes people cast for reasons other than good fit for a role.
At that time, the only good movie was Rogue One and it still feels like a fluke, same with Andor. Those productions do not the source material to work, Andor could be its own thing. Meanwhile Force Awakens was trash and everyone was too nice to it, even Redlettermedia was too kind to a movie that was a fun house mirror version of EP4.
@@peterkrochmalni673 nah m8, what sucks is that they are related to star wars a franchise that has been shit immediately after empire. All spin offs would be better as their own thing.
Solo was a fan response for The last Jedi. To pretend it wasn't is a lie. Mando season 1 and 2 started to gain some kind of fans back. They immediately pooped in everyone's mouths with boba Fett and obi wan. season 3 low ratings is the fan response to those. Now everyone has almost completely left. I'm not sure you will be able to get them back this time. now its time to sell the franchise off and let someone else try it.
Season 3 is no longer the Mandalorian. It is the Grogu show. They seem to think that a cute merchandising opportunity is all it takes to make a show popular.
@@InfernosReaper I'm only a couple eps into S3 Mando. But my headcanon has been that S2 was the end and offscreen Din offered the darksaber and Bo agreed to take it. And none of BoBF or OW happened. Somehow the best part of BoBF caused the most damage to the franchise as a whole lately.
Solo was the blinking red light in the reactor control room letting the Disney exec's know that the flow of money was being shut off. Boy did they ignore the wrong blinking light....
TLJ shat the bed so bad you couldn't pay me to watch another star wars movie six months later or whatever it was. Disney knows this but can't admit it. Solo is the one left holding the bag now just like then. Rhyme and poetry.
Why is it that people (both in media and at our level) absolutely refuse to admit that the fall of the franchise started with TLJ? It's true that almost everything that came afterwards (not all admittedly) was a nail in the coffin but it was episode 8 that dealt the killing blow.
Nah, the first nail in the coffin was The Force Awakens. The movie is literally written like a Mary Sue fanfiction, with Rey being a character for the audience to self-insert into and be loved by all their favorite characters and locations, and is why all the characters regressed. TLJ deserves hate, but Abrams was the first one to put a bullet into the franchise.
@@Wyqno TFA basically said that nothing that happened in the Original Trilogy (or prequels) mattered. There's a new empire with new Sith lords, the Jedi are still gone, and there's only a small group of rebels willing to fight evil. As with Star Trek, JJ Abrams made a movie full of references and mystery boxes and didn't particularly care how it fit into the larger franchise.
@@Wyqno TFA was like "Star Wars: The Apology" after people hated the Prequels, so people cut it some slack, thinking all the weird things abut it would be cleared up in the next movie (like why the hell the main characters were 'the resistance' instead of 'the navy' at the star). They were not..
It's because it ticked too many boxes for them to cop to its sucking -- including thirst trap shirtless Kylo Ren. Nothing would be more humiliating than admitting that something you stanned for giving you so much you like was a dumpster fire.
@@Wyqno In quality, yes. But in actual mainstream success, _TLJ_ was the milestone. _TFA_ was largely given a pass for a while, and made decent $, even with its suck.
Solo was silly, but it was the sort of brain-vacation that audeinces could have enjoyed. The Last Jedi was the real point where SW fell as a franchise, it earned less than its predecessor, and generated negative feedback from the audience (and not the good kind that generates buzz). The problem with Bob and his cohort is that anything that makes a profit is considered a success and they don't realize the rides over until its already done and its time to pay.
Wait...are you saying the drop from TFA's 2.07 billion to TLJ's 1.39 billion was representative of the fans' reactions?! Absurd. Fake news. A drop of over 700 million$ has nothing to do with the popularity of a movie. TLJ was just as popular, and it was a small but vocal minority that was upset. Them and Russian bots.
"....If Solo didn't crack 700 million dollars, Disney would have wasted their cash.....which they did. The movie made 392 million, worldwide, so yeah, it bombed, *or as the Shill Media said at the time, 'It was a Box office Smash!' '* Priceless!
Solo didn't really crash star wars,the last jedi & the rise of skywalker did but Solo got the heat for it because fans was already expecting it to be garbage even though Solo was actually not that bad of a movie. People was already mad about the previous garbage & didn't buy tickets.
I mean, the characterization of Lando was crap, the difference with how they pulled together Chewie and Han was crap, and the fuel situation to desperately cover up the idiocy Rian came up with was also crap. But despite all that, it wasn't horrible.
Don't forget that they did the whole "Han starts off as a scoundrel only in it for the money until he joins The Good Guys" character arc for the *THIRD TIME* in what was supposed to be his origin story! It just made him look like a man who refuses to learn life lessons.
Which is a shame because I enjoyed Solo a lot more than I enjoyed TLJ. Solo had this kind of old school, swash buckling adventure movie feel. TLJ left me with a "wtf did I just watch" feeling after it finished, and I was high AF too.
@@retr0dk93 It's okay if you ignore how it screws up his A New Hope character arc. Would a guy who had previously turned down money to help the rebellion act like the Han Solo who got Luke and Obi-Wan off Tatooine?
Like your content a lot and have watched your vids for a while. But I have to admit that my initial joy at every new vid you drop comes from knowing I'll hear that intro theme. Love it!
Me after End game: Damn baby! That was amazing. Disney: Yeah, lets go again! Me: Whoa! I ain't a machine babe! Gimme a few- Disney: Hold on I wanna try something new. OK, ready for phase four and five? Me: Hell no. Let me get some OJ and a smoke first at least.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! The true jump the shark moment was when Han Solo got stabbed in the gut by his son and then plunged into the void below. That was the moment when Star Wars died. That was the true jump-the-shark moment! Nuff' said!
It was the opening crawl of TFA that said "Luke has gone into hiding like a punk ast lil byatch." Right there it told you he whole trilogy was gonna suck.
Yeah. Because NOBODY wants to see a heroic Luke Skywalker. We all wanted to see him as hack that lost everything including the force and drinks Blue milk out of an alien. Cause that’s so new and edgy. Rian Johnson can kiss my arse.
Last Jedi did substantially more damage than Solo could've. It's terrible that all the Disney Star Wars ignore the prior material, but it was the reset and then torching of episodes 7 and 8 that killed Star Wars.
I think you are absolutely right, let this stuff breath. Give us a break, make us wait for the next movie. Another flaw in the Star Wars movies is they initially ran in reverse. The backstory, the backstory to the backstory. One or two, sure but that's it. And why on God's green earth was Luke a pathetic old man? That was one of the worst decisions ever and it really pissed me off.
Also, as Nerdrotic pointed out, while there _are_ 7,000+ characters in Marvel Comics, there's only a handful of characters/groups that are actually popular. Two of the all-time, according to Gary, are the X-Men and Spider-Man. Disney doesn't have one of those, and they haven't even attempted the other - not that current M-She-U would even remotely look promising for it being any good.
People are saying that TLJ crashed Star Wars. I say that it was The Force Awakens that started it, TLJ just proved that TFA wasn't 'just a bad start,' but the way that Disney was going to mishandle Star Wars as a whole.
"The Last Jedi" was the cause of the crash for two reasons. 1) It was a horrible movie for the middle movie in a trilogy of movies. It destroyed many of the previous movie's story set up and left almost to nothing to build upon. 2) It caused many of us to really go back and analyze "The Force Awakens". This caused many to see the flaws that they had either missed, overlooked or were trying to ignore. We realized that these movies were not being made with the respect, care, attention to detail and love which the fans felt the franchise and universe were deserving of but being quickly pumped out for money. Solo didn't crash the Star Wars franchise... it was simply another nail in its coffin.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the reason Solo under performed was it was too soon after Last Jedi. That movie for me personally, killed all good will I had towards the franchise as a whole. I always felt Star Wars was a bit on the over rated side. Its not really fantasy or sci fi and somehow manages to be mediocre at both. I know alot of people dont want to hear this but in all honesty its an entire franchise built on the idea that "laser swords are cool". Solo was medicore. I think it gets shit on alot more then it rightfully deserves but whatever. And yeah I agree with you about Marvel. They just started pumping out way to much content. Mediocre content at best at that. I mean the ONLY project in all of phase 4 Id call "good" was Spiderman. Everything else ranged from backround noise to downright unwatchable. What they really need to do is tone it back to like 1-2 movies a year, and most importantly....stop giving every single character their own spinoff series. Im sorry but Agatha Harkness does not need a spin off. The only reason it was even green lit was that stupid song was trending for a day. Im surprised Aunt May, or some other ancillary character hasnt gotten their own spin off yet.
I'd have to disagree with iger on this. What killed star wars was a shit trilogy followed by a shit spin off (solo) followed by 2 solid seasons of the mandalorian and two shitshows, 1 good well written show and a shit 3rd season if the mandalorian. The franchise has become beyond mediocre hence why people walked away. I'll just stick to legends made by people who yanno actually like star wars.
Considering that the "comedy" writers they fired brought us gems like The Lego movie and Spiderverse near the same time. I'm confident that their unaltered version of Solo would've been wacky, but had gutpunching serious moments. Certainly better than the flaccid easter egg movie we got.
To be honest I really did like Sam Alexander Nova. Granted he wasn’t created for the “all new all different” era, but he did feature a lot in those comics
As I understand it, following on from the disapointment that was Ep9 we have exactly one Star Wars film that is, in theory, in production with all the others that were announced having since been "shelved" (scrapped or never started in the first place). That one film is Waititi's,and I for one have heard nothing about it beyond the annoucment and no mention of it not happening.
Solo isnt what hurt Star Wars. It wasnt that bad of a movie, but it was the behind the scenes shit that was going down that hurt it. But the thing is, people want Star Wars. People want Marvel. But they want GOOD stories. And we’re not getting those good stories.
Star Wars was dead before solo. It could've been the best SW movie and no one would have given a fuck. The last jedi was the straw that broke the camel's back.
No one was burnt out about superhero movies after endgame. People got burned out about superhero movies after receiving nothing but garbage for three years.
Tbf, some or most of the MCU events are similar but not always faithful adaptations. Civil War was an event on Marvel that had a good concept but mixed reception because of their execution; however the movie kept a smaller cast while introducing 2 new heroes and kept personal story with an interesting political over all the movies run. And let's not forget that both No Way Home and the Insomniac Spider-Man game took similar traits of the ever dreadful One More Day. That being said, the previous phases had characters that we were invested on and creative teams that cared for the source material or at least tell a good story with these characters. Phase 4 sadly has none of that or is below average, with most of the sequel movies being hijacked to be the introduction to the all new all different era characters. Maybe I'm being stupidly optimistic, but perhaps with the changes to have happened recently, perhaps next years movies may as well give those characters some... well traits of a character and have a good if not decent story. Like how Into the Spiderverse did for Miles. Not comic accurate, but a better far cry for how he is written in them. Then again, this is Disney Marvel, so chances are there are small or minimal changes that we still get the same over saturated comedic formula. Hopefully, Secret Invasion is at least competent or consistent with the lore that has been established thus far. Ps. Sorry for the long text
I really think companies need to hire some sort of "fan consort." What I mean by that is someone who, 1. is familiar with the franchise in question, and 2. can gage fan reception to decisions and provide input, perhaps even direction. Though, they wouldn't have to if, when projects lost money, they would just shitcan the person making bad decisions and look for better people. But that would effect people pretty high up, so they would never do that. It's a shame, too. Imagine being what's wrong with a franchise, or even the company as a whole, and you're such a narcissist that you'd burn it all to the ground before admitting you might've had a few bad ideas.
Re the comments' consensus that it was TLJ's fault: I submit that, though TLJ was indeed a part of it, "Solo" was further hurt because many people didn't want to see it on its own terms. I think one big issue was that most people couldn't accept anyone besides Ford as Han Solo. It's one of the most iconic performances/characters in all of cinema. I mean, no one's been brave enough to make a Casablanca sequel or remake (which has been considered many times over the years) because they know most wouldn't accept actors that aren't Bergman and Bogart.
In a decade or two, both franchises will be studied completely and there will be whole academic programs based on "What *NOT* To Do With A Franchise" based on what Disney did to Star Wars and the MCU.
Making a Star Wars project about a non-force user is like making a Harry Potter movie about someone who can’t use magic. I’m sick of all the smugglers and bounty hunters
The MISCASTING of SOLO was an insult. So many people wanted Anthony Ingruber so what does Disney do? The complete opposite. It's like they intentionally DO THE OPPOSITE of what the people want.
Thanks 😊 no one project crashed SW. Solo didn't help but TLJ had the largest impact on the fan base you could say. You could also argue that TFA, a rehash of New Hope, started the trend of declining interest. Overall, it's creative misdirection/vacuum and politics that crashed SW. That responsibility falls on Iger, Kennedy and the others who greenlit these movies/shows and hired the writers and directors. They took the fanbase for granted trying to milk them like a cow. As the saying goes; you made your bed, now lie in it.
I saw Solo in theatres with my brothers and my fiancè. Solo was what finally got me to accept Star Wars films being anything less than amazing. TLJ i was still in denial
As much as I didn't think Han Solo needed a standalone movie, it was the Last Jedi that crashed Star Wars.
The biggest reason people didn't go see it was because of the Last Jedi. 🤷♂️
Totally agree. I prefer Solo to any of the sequels. I thought it was an OK heist movie, some cringey moments, sure but not as bad as The Last Jedi, it was the blowback from The Last Jedi that made Solo bomb. There is one a simple solution to solving the dirth of quality Star Wars content, 1. Remove KK from CEO. 2. Hire someone who is NOT an activist pushing "The Message". Do this, make it public, this will buy some goodwill, not a lot, hire decent writers and not activists, just make it, no messages about diversity/inclusion, make Stars Wars, Star Wars, and just watch what happens.
It was The Force Awakens and JJ Abrams that crashed Star Wars.. That film had so little going for it and such a tremendous lack of planning that the universal quote from fans was: "it will all make sense in the next movies." Abrams was the architect of Star Wars' doom, as he is for nearly every franchise that he touches.
@@brysonbauer8451 That is the reason why I didn't go see it and still won't see it. Also when I learned that the movie reveals that Solo is named Solo because he is alone was enough for me to know the approach they took to the movie and Star Wars. Which is to say, it is to be deconstructed and considered silly nonsense for the most part.
For sure the others surpassed its bs even more (way more too), let's put it this way.
He's only half-right: Solo was where the damage became obvious, but TLJ was what struck the fatal blow.
and it had been a bunch of small wounds inflicted over a long period that lead there, eventually they got bold and went nuts and it killed everything and in the attempt to save it they inflicted more damage that caused death.....
the shit with the EU, clone wars show in it's entirety, if they really wanted to get real fans on board it shoulda been hardcore from the start, it shoulda started as a covert mission at geonosis and the longer protracted battle therof establishing the kind of show it'd be then reducing the run to 10 episodes at 1 hour length each, making each episode a mini movie
if they did it right seaons 1-5 the war, seasons 6+ the formation of the empire and early years to the phase out of the clones as the end
old liked heroes phased out as new clones get rotated in, less of morrison's voice and more generic voices near the end and really show how bad it got for the people of the galaxy
instead clone wars was presented as a kids movie sold to hardcore old fans, the show was worse but supposedly got better but to understand the story you need to watch the early series so for me it's at an impass, I don't need the clone wars story that much but in saying that is an absolute failure on their part....and a nail in the coffin
the sequels all suck ass, the standalones suck, the new shows suck donkey dikk, there is no saving grace even fukking jedi fallen order is borked cus they included the first stage of construction of starkiller base, illium becomes starkiller base!! take a long look at that trench, it's SK base!!
new battlefront 2 is also connected heavily to sequel trilogy so SW is fukked six ways to sunday in my book.....
what's sad is an IP...a story I kept close to my heard my whole life was made into a repugnant hateful thing, something that no longer resembles hope but despair!!! and i blame them for it, it's not on us, it's on them....they made US hate this stuff, burn ha;lf the world and you get half the world's hate in return and that's what Disney did
Yeah, The Last Jedi was the straw that broke the camel's back. People didn't turn out for Solo because they were put off by TLJ.
@@silverjohn6037 The Last Jedi was a redwood trunk that broke the camel's back. People entered TLJ's theaters eager to see it. Star Wars was peak hype before people actually saw it.
If he honestly thinks the problem was just Solo, Disney is dying.
Disney is dying.
Cannot happen fast enough.
The Last Jedi angered fans so much that they took it out on Solo. And Disney never got the message.
If the movies were ACTUALLY Star Wars and not the sludge we see today, then 1 movie per year would have been fine.
When the first line finished, I half expected a Razorfist-style "FU I was right!"
Casting an actor that looked & sounded like Han Solo would've been a good start.
There was a young guy on UA-cam at the time that was doing a spot-on impersonation of Han as well as looking like a young Harrison Ford. But they decided on Alden Ehrenreich, who manages to be the most uninteresting character in every film he's in.
Yep. That actor looked and acted nothing like Solo. It was very hard to see him as the character.
Anthony Ingruber was right there! And he already had a history of playing a young Harrison Ford! Disney is run by people who are either stupid, evil or both. Usually both.
@@tomnorton4277 Oh, was that his name? Thanks for posting it!
@@infinityryvus What is it about Alden that makes him a fit whereas the guy who looked and sounded like (and is an actor) a young Harrison Ford (and I think is taller) did not fit? Very odd casting choice but sometimes people cast for reasons other than good fit for a role.
It wasn't just Soylo, it was nearly every Disney Star Wars projects (with a few exceptions)
At that time, the only good movie was Rogue One and it still feels like a fluke, same with Andor. Those productions do not the source material to work, Andor could be its own thing. Meanwhile Force Awakens was trash and everyone was too nice to it, even Redlettermedia was too kind to a movie that was a fun house mirror version of EP4.
@@gustavrider5561 actually, rogue one sucked just as bad. And andor is just as sucky.
@@gustavrider5561'Rogue One' is weaksauce, compared to 'Dark Forces'.
@@longtsun8286 I do own that game, not my favorite doom clone.
@@peterkrochmalni673 nah m8, what sucks is that they are related to star wars a franchise that has been shit immediately after empire. All spin offs would be better as their own thing.
Solo was a fan response for The last Jedi. To pretend it wasn't is a lie. Mando season 1 and 2 started to gain some kind of fans back. They immediately pooped in everyone's mouths with boba Fett and obi wan. season 3 low ratings is the fan response to those. Now everyone has almost completely left. I'm not sure you will be able to get them back this time. now its time to sell the franchise off and let someone else try it.
Season 3 is no longer the Mandalorian. It is the Grogu show. They seem to think that a cute merchandising opportunity is all it takes to make a show popular.
@@InfernosReaper I'm only a couple eps into S3 Mando. But my headcanon has been that S2 was the end and offscreen Din offered the darksaber and Bo agreed to take it. And none of BoBF or OW happened. Somehow the best part of BoBF caused the most damage to the franchise as a whole lately.
It's a shame they released Andor in this environment. It's a great show even if they didn't use enough aliens to make it feel like proper Star Wars.
Obi Wan is nowhere near as bad as people say; it should’ve been a movie though.
Solo was the blinking red light in the reactor control room letting the Disney exec's know that the flow of money was being shut off. Boy did they ignore the wrong blinking light....
Solo is the Star Wars license to print money expiring and they didn't know how to renew it.
Which is kinda sad because Chernobyl was a decent show, even with all the science they got wrong.
TLJ shat the bed so bad you couldn't pay me to watch another star wars movie six months later or whatever it was. Disney knows this but can't admit it. Solo is the one left holding the bag now just like then. Rhyme and poetry.
Why is it that people (both in media and at our level) absolutely refuse to admit that the fall of the franchise started with TLJ? It's true that almost everything that came afterwards (not all admittedly) was a nail in the coffin but it was episode 8 that dealt the killing blow.
Nah, the first nail in the coffin was The Force Awakens. The movie is literally written like a Mary Sue fanfiction, with Rey being a character for the audience to self-insert into and be loved by all their favorite characters and locations, and is why all the characters regressed. TLJ deserves hate, but Abrams was the first one to put a bullet into the franchise.
@@Wyqno TFA basically said that nothing that happened in the Original Trilogy (or prequels) mattered. There's a new empire with new Sith lords, the Jedi are still gone, and there's only a small group of rebels willing to fight evil. As with Star Trek, JJ Abrams made a movie full of references and mystery boxes and didn't particularly care how it fit into the larger franchise.
@@Wyqno TFA was like "Star Wars: The Apology" after people hated the Prequels, so people cut it some slack, thinking all the weird things abut it would be cleared up in the next movie (like why the hell the main characters were 'the resistance' instead of 'the navy' at the star). They were not..
It's because it ticked too many boxes for them to cop to its sucking -- including thirst trap shirtless Kylo Ren. Nothing would be more humiliating than admitting that something you stanned for giving you so much you like was a dumpster fire.
@@Wyqno In quality, yes. But in actual mainstream success, _TLJ_ was the milestone. _TFA_ was largely given a pass for a while, and made decent $, even with its suck.
Solo should’ve been Firefly meets Ocean’s 11
Instead, it was Lightyear meets She Said.
It was TLJ that destroyed Star Wars.
Solo was silly, but it was the sort of brain-vacation that audeinces could have enjoyed. The Last Jedi was the real point where SW fell as a franchise, it earned less than its predecessor, and generated negative feedback from the audience (and not the good kind that generates buzz). The problem with Bob and his cohort is that anything that makes a profit is considered a success and they don't realize the rides over until its already done and its time to pay.
Wait...are you saying the drop from TFA's 2.07 billion to TLJ's 1.39 billion was representative of the fans' reactions?! Absurd. Fake news. A drop of over 700 million$ has nothing to do with the popularity of a movie. TLJ was just as popular, and it was a small but vocal minority that was upset. Them and Russian bots.
I can't belive that title, crazy that something finally broke through to them
"....If Solo didn't crack 700 million dollars, Disney would have wasted their cash.....which they did.
The movie made 392 million, worldwide, so yeah, it bombed, *or as the Shill Media said at the time, 'It was a Box office Smash!' '*
Priceless!
The goat himself posts another star wars critique video🙏🏾
You, sir, are correct. The 🐐.
Solo didn't really crash star wars,the last jedi & the rise of skywalker did but Solo got the heat for it because fans was already expecting it to be garbage even though Solo was actually not that bad of a movie.
People was already mad about the previous garbage & didn't buy tickets.
I mean, the characterization of Lando was crap, the difference with how they pulled together Chewie and Han was crap, and the fuel situation to desperately cover up the idiocy Rian came up with was also crap. But despite all that, it wasn't horrible.
@@ravenshrike Lets not forget the LGBT+ Droid Rights Activist Droid... which got audience cheers for being turned into wreckage.
@@TankHunter678 ...and is now forever enslaved by the Millennium Falcon as its Navigation AI, a hilarious irony many may have missed.
@@RallasterAsuremen There were plenty I saw who were unhappy with that, they felt that it was tainting the Millennium Falcon doing that.
Don't forget that they did the whole "Han starts off as a scoundrel only in it for the money until he joins The Good Guys" character arc for the *THIRD TIME* in what was supposed to be his origin story! It just made him look like a man who refuses to learn life lessons.
Which is a shame because I enjoyed Solo a lot more than I enjoyed TLJ. Solo had this kind of old school, swash buckling adventure movie feel. TLJ left me with a "wtf did I just watch" feeling after it finished, and I was high AF too.
i agree i feel like solo suffered and took on the bad stench TLJ left behind. solo didn't really actively ruin anything the way TLJ did
Solo wasn't a bad film. If you divorce it from everything else it actually good. It's not great by a long shot. But it's not a bad film.
@@retr0dk93 It's okay if you ignore how it screws up his A New Hope character arc. Would a guy who had previously turned down money to help the rebellion act like the Han Solo who got Luke and Obi-Wan off Tatooine?
@@budwyzer77 With Jabba the Hutt breathing down your neck at the time? Hell yes you would!
@@budwyzer77 there was supposed to 2 more films to fill in the gap and flesh out the character. But they got cancelled I believe.
I have never watched a video 24 seconds after it came out.
Also, love the content JSG, keep it up!
Honestly the death of Star Wars can be laid at the feet of Darth Karen
Like your content a lot and have watched your vids for a while. But I have to admit that my initial joy at every new vid you drop comes from knowing I'll hear that intro theme. Love it!
Solo didn't crash star wars, TLJ crashed it, solo was just the first to suffer.
I blame the film before Solo for the soft box office reception.
I liked Solo. Mostly.
Best of the recent films
I really appreciate your content. Great job man!
Me after End game: Damn baby! That was amazing.
Disney: Yeah, lets go again!
Me: Whoa! I ain't a machine babe! Gimme a few-
Disney: Hold on I wanna try something new. OK, ready for phase four and five?
Me: Hell no. Let me get some OJ and a smoke first at least.
Disney: “Star Wars fatigue killed Solo..
Anyways, here’s our 20+ titles slate…”
As always, Ace Ventura sums up how we all feel
The funny part is that I believed that Solo was the BEST of the Disney Star Wars movies.
That’s because it is. That and Rouge one are the only ones worth rewatching.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! The true jump the shark moment was when Han Solo got stabbed in the gut by his son and then plunged into the void below. That was the moment when Star Wars died. That was the true jump-the-shark moment! Nuff' said!
It was the opening crawl of TFA that said "Luke has gone into hiding like a punk ast lil byatch." Right there it told you he whole trilogy was gonna suck.
Yeah. Because NOBODY wants to see a heroic Luke Skywalker. We all wanted to see him as hack that lost everything including the force and drinks Blue milk out of an alien. Cause that’s so new and edgy. Rian Johnson can kiss my arse.
Maybe, just maybe, it was the 3 incoherrent movies before hand.
Yes they did. Disney has to print those movies off an assembly line. Mass producing the same product is what they do.
I cannot express how much I love the new opening
Last Jedi did substantially more damage than Solo could've. It's terrible that all the Disney Star Wars ignore the prior material, but it was the reset and then torching of episodes 7 and 8 that killed Star Wars.
3:50 Blown OUTTA THE WATER... by _John Wick 4_
i never saw solo but when you said the droid thing i went "what the fk!?" i'm at the grocery store. cool.
Yes…. Solo is when the problems started… surly
Solo was the confirmation for Disney that fans should never be mistreated.
The intro tho. So gangsta.
It was Ryan Johnson, the attacking of the fans and double down on stupid that killed star wars.
The only common denominator for all of Disney Star Wars failures is KK. And yet she’s still in charge…
Lol like we needed his seal of approval
ROFL for the Ace Ventura sample in the beginning :):):)
What's done is done. We can ignore what they make. It's not authentic
Star Wars died when Jake Skywalker dropped the laser sword.
Does this mean we'll never see a Greedo movie?!
If it ain't on the page and ain't on the stage. Fitting words for all of Hollywood
I think you are absolutely right, let this stuff breath. Give us a break, make us wait for the next movie. Another flaw in the Star Wars movies is they initially ran in reverse. The backstory, the backstory to the backstory. One or two, sure but that's it. And why on God's green earth was Luke a pathetic old man? That was one of the worst decisions ever and it really pissed me off.
Another accurate response would be Razorfist's classic "f*ck you I was right!" with chair-spinning action.
Also, as Nerdrotic pointed out, while there _are_ 7,000+ characters in Marvel Comics, there's only a handful of characters/groups that are actually popular. Two of the all-time, according to Gary, are the X-Men and Spider-Man. Disney doesn't have one of those, and they haven't even attempted the other - not that current M-She-U would even remotely look promising for it being any good.
"Spider man is now a r*tard" the others are also but thats no intentional.
Imagine slaying the 4B Golden Goose. Lol lmao.
Solo crashed Star Wars?
No, dude. It was the Rey Palpatine madness.
And Boba Fett.
And Obi-Wan.
And...
People are saying that TLJ crashed Star Wars. I say that it was The Force Awakens that started it, TLJ just proved that TFA wasn't 'just a bad start,' but the way that Disney was going to mishandle Star Wars as a whole.
Solo was the backlash from Last Jedi
The satisfaction that we are confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that WE ARE RIGHT!! ❤😂😂😂
Disney has folks working on these properties that don’t love the characters or their classic portrayals
"The Last Jedi" was the cause of the crash for two reasons.
1) It was a horrible movie for the middle movie in a trilogy of movies. It destroyed many of the previous movie's story set up and left almost to nothing to build upon.
2) It caused many of us to really go back and analyze "The Force Awakens". This caused many to see the flaws that they had either missed, overlooked or were trying to ignore. We realized that these movies were not being made with the respect, care, attention to detail and love which the fans felt the franchise and universe were deserving of but being quickly pumped out for money.
Solo didn't crash the Star Wars franchise... it was simply another nail in its coffin.
It would have been amazing if they took a 3 year break after End Game. They should have made us miss them.
Ah good, glad that Iger has joined the rest of us 🤣
Vindication!!! --Capitan Holt Brooklyn 99
I think you hit the nail on the head with the reason Solo under performed was it was too soon after Last Jedi. That movie for me personally, killed all good will I had towards the franchise as a whole. I always felt Star Wars was a bit on the over rated side. Its not really fantasy or sci fi and somehow manages to be mediocre at both. I know alot of people dont want to hear this but in all honesty its an entire franchise built on the idea that "laser swords are cool". Solo was medicore. I think it gets shit on alot more then it rightfully deserves but whatever. And yeah I agree with you about Marvel. They just started pumping out way to much content. Mediocre content at best at that. I mean the ONLY project in all of phase 4 Id call "good" was Spiderman. Everything else ranged from backround noise to downright unwatchable. What they really need to do is tone it back to like 1-2 movies a year, and most importantly....stop giving every single character their own spinoff series. Im sorry but Agatha Harkness does not need a spin off. The only reason it was even green lit was that stupid song was trending for a day. Im surprised Aunt May, or some other ancillary character hasnt gotten their own spin off yet.
JSG didn't just take off the mask. He took off the gloves too.
I'd have to disagree with iger on this. What killed star wars was a shit trilogy followed by a shit spin off (solo) followed by 2 solid seasons of the mandalorian and two shitshows, 1 good well written show and a shit 3rd season if the mandalorian. The franchise has become beyond mediocre hence why people walked away. I'll just stick to legends made by people who yanno actually like star wars.
Considering that the "comedy" writers they fired brought us gems like The Lego movie and Spiderverse near the same time. I'm confident that their unaltered version of Solo would've been wacky, but had gutpunching serious moments. Certainly better than the flaccid easter egg movie we got.
To be honest I really did like Sam Alexander Nova. Granted he wasn’t created for the “all new all different” era, but he did feature a lot in those comics
They are still denying that it was TLJ's fault.
I remember when GL used to take up to 3 years just to make one movie! 😂
I'm still just running on the hype that I was right in regards to you not quitting UA-cam lol
The answer is to make Star wars like game of thrones where coruscant is Kings landing
Solo didnt crash Star Wars. The last Jedi crashed Star Wars, the fans just started taking it out on Solo.
As I understand it, following on from the disapointment that was Ep9 we have exactly one Star Wars film that is, in theory, in production with all the others that were announced having since been "shelved" (scrapped or never started in the first place). That one film is Waititi's,and I for one have heard nothing about it beyond the annoucment and no mention of it not happening.
KATHLEEN KENNEDY crashed star wars. Repetedly, deliberatley and with glee.
Solo isnt what hurt Star Wars. It wasnt that bad of a movie, but it was the behind the scenes shit that was going down that hurt it. But the thing is, people want Star Wars. People want Marvel. But they want GOOD stories. And we’re not getting those good stories.
Star Wars was dead before solo. It could've been the best SW movie and no one would have given a fuck. The last jedi was the straw that broke the camel's back.
So basically the title for the article should read “THE CUSTOMERS ARE RIGHT”
No one was burnt out about superhero movies after endgame. People got burned out about superhero movies after receiving nothing but garbage for three years.
He’s not recognizing Solo crashed Star Wars, he’s blaming it on Solo
Well said, sir!
Classic/deliberate mistaking the symptoms for the cause.
It wasn't Solo that crashed Star Wars. I liked Solo. The Last Jedi crashed Star Wars. Solo suffered the consequences of The Last Jedi
You hate to see it. Star wars is so beloved.
I missed you because I didn't see you changed your pfp lol
Tbf, some or most of the MCU events are similar but not always faithful adaptations. Civil War was an event on Marvel that had a good concept but mixed reception because of their execution; however the movie kept a smaller cast while introducing 2 new heroes and kept personal story with an interesting political over all the movies run. And let's not forget that both No Way Home and the Insomniac Spider-Man game took similar traits of the ever dreadful One More Day. That being said, the previous phases had characters that we were invested on and creative teams that cared for the source material or at least tell a good story with these characters. Phase 4 sadly has none of that or is below average, with most of the sequel movies being hijacked to be the introduction to the all new all different era characters. Maybe I'm being stupidly optimistic, but perhaps with the changes to have happened recently, perhaps next years movies may as well give those characters some... well traits of a character and have a good if not decent story. Like how Into the Spiderverse did for Miles. Not comic accurate, but a better far cry for how he is written in them.
Then again, this is Disney Marvel, so chances are there are small or minimal changes that we still get the same over saturated comedic formula. Hopefully, Secret Invasion is at least competent or consistent with the lore that has been established thus far.
Ps. Sorry for the long text
I for one loved Solo and I didn't hold Ruin Johnsons cinematic war-crimes against it. It's failure was just the fans finally striking back.
don't forget they also released it a month after Infinity war
Good critique.
The Last Jedi crashed Star Wars. Solo was the first movie to show the effects.
I really think companies need to hire some sort of "fan consort." What I mean by that is someone who, 1. is familiar with the franchise in question, and 2. can gage fan reception to decisions and provide input, perhaps even direction.
Though, they wouldn't have to if, when projects lost money, they would just shitcan the person making bad decisions and look for better people. But that would effect people pretty high up, so they would never do that. It's a shame, too. Imagine being what's wrong with a franchise, or even the company as a whole, and you're such a narcissist that you'd burn it all to the ground before admitting you might've had a few bad ideas.
I loved personally loved Solo. It bombed because of the Last Jedi and nearly Zero promotion
Re the comments' consensus that it was TLJ's fault: I submit that, though TLJ was indeed a part of it, "Solo" was further hurt because many people didn't want to see it on its own terms. I think one big issue was that most people couldn't accept anyone besides Ford as Han Solo. It's one of the most iconic performances/characters in all of cinema. I mean, no one's been brave enough to make a Casablanca sequel or remake (which has been considered many times over the years) because they know most wouldn't accept actors that aren't Bergman and Bogart.
It was more than Solo
Sp tell me again , why is Bob Iger still CEO?
In a decade or two, both franchises will be studied completely and there will be whole academic programs based on "What *NOT* To Do With A Franchise" based on what Disney did to Star Wars and the MCU.
Making a Star Wars project about a non-force user is like making a Harry Potter movie about someone who can’t use magic. I’m sick of all the smugglers and bounty hunters
The MISCASTING of SOLO was an insult. So many people wanted Anthony Ingruber so what does Disney do? The complete opposite. It's like they intentionally DO THE OPPOSITE of what the people want.
Thanks 😊 no one project crashed SW. Solo didn't help but TLJ had the largest impact on the fan base you could say. You could also argue that TFA, a rehash of New Hope, started the trend of declining interest.
Overall, it's creative misdirection/vacuum and politics that crashed SW. That responsibility falls on Iger, Kennedy and the others who greenlit these movies/shows and hired the writers and directors.
They took the fanbase for granted trying to milk them like a cow. As the saying goes; you made your bed, now lie in it.
I saw Solo in theatres with my brothers and my fiancè. Solo was what finally got me to accept Star Wars films being anything less than amazing. TLJ i was still in denial
Correction the last Jedi crashed Star Wars it just didn't come apparent until Solo what damaged had been done because of it.