Keith, I'd like to know why. I think it's always good to hear people's opinions on things. It allows us to draw our own conclusions and most educated decisions when we can get as many different points of view as we can.
Yes I want a tuner video 😅 I’ve heard the new applied ballistics book mentions them in a less positive manner as well (not read myself and don’t know details) so your insight would be welcomed. I enjoy that you are straight shooting (pun intended) and have actively avoided becoming financially incentivised in your content (given products to push etc)… your humour also translates to us brits quite well 😂 please keep up the great content!
As a rifle manufacturer primarily 22lr. I've seen an overwhelming request for installing EC V2 tuners. I personally like to brag that my builds while aimed towards NRL22 or PRS22 DO NOT need tuners, many do not completely understand how tuners work. I personally feel it will setup the shooter to chase an endless rabbit hole in trying to find the tune when all they are doing is chasing environmentals for when that particular 22lr ammo likes to shoot
@@robinepps7274 lol believe everything on YT. But can't see past the video title good for you to judge someone's character over 1 video.... I personally installed his tuners in about 1/3 rifle builds I've done this year with over 410 rifles manufacturered and personally tested down range, they absolutely work and mentioned in many of my videos. Theirs an application for it in 22lr, benchrest, f-class as well as all other shooting discipline. We're all here to learn, opinions and ones experience can help gain knowledge for the community. Ignorant comments are just a plague
I for one would love to know why. I will never be able to shoot like you Pro's but really enjoy your contributions and see how you make these rifles so precise! Thank you Keith and look forward to your tuner video!
Yes, tuner video! It would be great to hear a few angles on the story, but certainly yours first which means F-Open. If there is any gas left in the tank afterwards... hearing about smallbore, Short Range Bench Rest, and light carry, with respect to tuners it would be great!
We have enough tuner videos and advertising videos for things we just do not need. Just keep doing what you do best! Your channel is one of my top three favorites for reliable information that you just can not find anywhere else!
Yes, I want to see/hear what you have to say. Your previous videos have provided some great food for thought and challenged what I thought I knew. I might not necessarily agree but I do appreciate what you have presented.
Tuners are the best things since sliced bread for us mortals that can’t afford a custom built rifle. The EC Tuner is Voodoo magic on every rifle I have put it on, and has saved me $$$$ on ammo.
I don't see a need for a tuner for myself as I'm not competing in any small group disciplines these days, and if I was, it wouldn't be allowed anyway. But the insight you gained into what you like or don't like about them by using them, is valuable to people who may want to invest in them. I agree people think it is an wasy button to save effort at the range, that isn't necessarily as easy as they think it may be.
Yes, I want a tuner video. I don't have any interest in getting or using a tuner, but I really enjoy your thoughtful reviews and videos, I always learn something.
@@MrBoostin18 .....My highly experienced colleagues & I, aswell, experienced them to be an added variable - in other words a joke - first experiences being back in 1980 about with the winchester boss system,....ALL this tuner crap here in the past few years is just more trend & hype for the young-newbies whom never study history to gain future ideas in technology......."doing the same thing over & over expecting different results is a definition of insanity".......lol
@@ericrumpel3105 i have no room to talk. I’m planning to run a brake on my next build. I figured if I’m going to do that might as well run a tuner brake in case i ever wanted to go down that rabbit hole. If not i will just leave it set to 0 and use it as a brake only.
Yes, I'd like to hear your thoughts on tuners. For someone who doesn't handload, it would be a viable option to tighten groups. I'd think that it could offer benefits on AR platforms, since most of those barrels are already threaded.
My first rifle had a tuner, the Browning BOSS system. That was back in the 90’s. Not sure if they were around before that but people seem to think they were recently invited.
The subject of barrel tuning is complex. There is an entire engineering discipline dedicated to the subject called vibrations. From my experience as an engineer, I would say the temperature of the barrel is more important that a tiny weight at the end of the barrel. Every barrel has a harmonic frequency, that is a frequency at which it reaches resonance. This frequency is affected by barrel length, barrel thickness, and barrel material. A shorter thicker barrel will have a higher frequency but lower amplitude. The amplitude is what we see on paper. The barrel material property that affects frequency and amplitude is modulus of elasticity. Modulus of elasticity is affected by temperature. Modulus of elasticity also changes from material to material. Carbon fiber has a much higher modulus of elasticity than steel.
I'd like to hear your thoughts Keith. Byran Litz did an extensive test on tuners. His results did not support the tuner manufacturers' claim that they be used to find a repeatable high precision load.
I would like the video. My logic tells me that it could be beneficial but at splitting hairs levels, but only at the very end of a load development for the last variable to tune. First find stable powder charge for es, and then find seating depth for accuracy and make sure you are at just below the furthest out seating depth for erosion over time, then primer crush for both es and accuracy, then verify es via powder again for a safety zone in case it moved because of seating and primer, and then and only then use a tuner. If you tune a barrel for an unstable load, you are going to be disappointed next time you go out. And this is all after sorting brass and primers and using quality components and wearing a tinfoil hat.😜
I installed a Harrell's tuner/brake on my FACTORY Rem. 700 223 and my 5 shot groups @ 100 yds. reduced from 5/8" to 3/8" using Sierra 69gr. @ 2800 fps. Personally I think tuner/brakes shine on factory barrels ps: those barrels you have shown are huge chunks of steel and I doubt they vibrate at all
Tuners and the physics behind them are of interest to me. It seems like when putting them on blind, they have almost as good a chance of de-tuning a barrel as they do dampening it. I’m interesting in learning more
Yeah, (background is physics, but I play an optical and opto-mechanical engineer during the day, good with waves and materials) it changes the way the barrel jiggles. They work, but you have to go through a "load" development cycle just like you would for seating depth. It's faster and more manageable at the range but they aren't magic. Think of it like adding a weight to a string and trying one end to a table. You'll be able to shake that string so it creates a "standing wave"- that's the resonance. Now move the weight, the resonance will change just a bit.
Love to see a tuner video 👍🏼 , I want to the truth about these add ones , I’ve seen several videos of them improving groups , not one that showed really poor results.
Yes I would like to know also. I have one but have never dialed it in yet. People swear by them, but I cannot comment on them until I actually use it:)
I have never used tuners. I will admit I don't know enough about them to make an informed decision about their use. This is one of those I don't know what I don't know situations. I'm looking forward to the tuner video I hope is coming.
I definitely want to see this video!!!
It's always good and beneficial for everybody hear and learn from someone who can EXPLAIN!!!
Thanks Keith!
Keith, I'd like to know why. I think it's always good to hear people's opinions on things. It allows us to draw our own conclusions and most educated decisions when we can get as many different points of view as we can.
Yes I want a tuner video 😅 I’ve heard the new applied ballistics book mentions them in a less positive manner as well (not read myself and don’t know details) so your insight would be welcomed. I enjoy that you are straight shooting (pun intended) and have actively avoided becoming financially incentivised in your content (given products to push etc)… your humour also translates to us brits quite well 😂 please keep up the great content!
As a rifle manufacturer primarily 22lr. I've seen an overwhelming request for installing EC V2 tuners. I personally like to brag that my builds while aimed towards NRL22 or PRS22 DO NOT need tuners, many do not completely understand how tuners work. I personally feel it will setup the shooter to chase an endless rabbit hole in trying to find the tune when all they are doing is chasing environmentals for when that particular 22lr ammo likes to shoot
So, disagreeing with Erik again! How'd that work for ya the last time?
@@robinepps7274 lol believe everything on YT. But can't see past the video title good for you to judge someone's character over 1 video....
I personally installed his tuners in about 1/3 rifle builds I've done this year with over 410 rifles manufacturered and personally tested down range, they absolutely work and mentioned in many of my videos. Theirs an application for it in 22lr, benchrest, f-class as well as all other shooting discipline. We're all here to learn, opinions and ones experience can help gain knowledge for the community. Ignorant comments are just a plague
I for one would love to know why. I will never be able to shoot like you Pro's but really enjoy your contributions and see how you make these rifles so precise! Thank you Keith and look forward to your tuner video!
Yes, I want to see that video. Thanks
Tuner video was great! Thank you @
Yes, tuner video!
It would be great to hear a few angles on the story, but certainly yours first which means F-Open.
If there is any gas left in the tank afterwards... hearing about smallbore, Short Range Bench Rest, and light carry, with respect to tuners it would be great!
Yes! Please tell us about tuners! I’m especially interested in your thoughts on the efficacy of tuners with factory match ammunition.
We have enough tuner videos and advertising videos for things we just do not need. Just keep doing what you do best! Your channel is one of my top three favorites for reliable information that you just can not find anywhere else!
What are your other two favs?
Yes, I want to see/hear what you have to say. Your previous videos have provided some great food for thought and challenged what I thought I knew. I might not necessarily agree but I do appreciate what you have presented.
Yeah, I'd like to hear your thoughts on tuners. Thanks for all the videos! Very informative.
Tuners are the best things since sliced bread for us mortals that can’t afford a custom built rifle. The EC Tuner is Voodoo magic on every rifle I have put it on, and has saved me $$$$ on ammo.
I'll bite. Let's here it. Always enjoy your perspective.
Yes, lets hear it.
YES tuner video. I have been wanting to know this exact answer for quite a while 🎯
sounds like a great video, I can't wait to see it.
Yes, I want to know!
I don't see a need for a tuner for myself as I'm not competing in any small group disciplines these days, and if I was, it wouldn't be allowed anyway. But the insight you gained into what you like or don't like about them by using them, is valuable to people who may want to invest in them. I agree people think it is an wasy button to save effort at the range, that isn't necessarily as easy as they think it may be.
Yes, I want a tuner video.
I don't have any interest in getting or using a tuner, but I really enjoy your thoughtful reviews and videos, I always learn something.
Definitely interested in your reasoning. I use a tuner and perhaps like you said I may be using something that I really don’t need.
Yes, Please. I truly enjoy how unbiased your videos are.
Yes, interested. I do use them on all my barrels & they have certainly helped me.
Its funny RAD (ReloadingAllDay) has been talking about how tuners dont work for at least a year now in his reloading classes.
A lot of the more popular guys are saying this as well. Brian litz one of them.
@@MrBoostin18 .....My highly experienced colleagues & I, aswell, experienced them to be an added variable - in other words a joke - first experiences being back in 1980 about with the winchester boss system,....ALL this tuner crap here in the past few years is just more trend & hype for the young-newbies whom never study history to gain future ideas in technology......."doing the same thing over & over expecting different results is a definition of insanity".......lol
@@ericrumpel3105 i have no room to talk. I’m planning to run a brake on my next build. I figured if I’m going to do that might as well run a tuner brake in case i ever wanted to go down that rabbit hole. If not i will just leave it set to 0 and use it as a brake only.
:)
@@ericrumpel3105 hey laugher / u know history? That boss system. Is browning.: and it works .had one.
Yes, I'd like to hear your thoughts on tuners. For someone who doesn't handload, it would be a viable option to tighten groups. I'd think that it could offer benefits on AR platforms, since most of those barrels are already threaded.
Yes please. I am in two minds about tuners.
Yes, I would like to know. Thanks
Absolutely I want to know!
Yes! I want to see you make a tuner video!
Yes!
My first rifle had a tuner, the Browning BOSS system. That was back in the 90’s. Not sure if they were around before that but people seem to think they were recently invited.
Yes sir, send it.
Do it. I would sure love to hear more about the subject
The subject of barrel tuning is complex. There is an entire engineering discipline dedicated to the subject called vibrations. From my experience as an engineer, I would say the temperature of the barrel is more important that a tiny weight at the end of the barrel.
Every barrel has a harmonic frequency, that is a frequency at which it reaches resonance. This frequency is affected by barrel length, barrel thickness, and barrel material. A shorter thicker barrel will have a higher frequency but lower amplitude. The amplitude is what we see on paper. The barrel material property that affects frequency and amplitude is modulus of elasticity. Modulus of elasticity is affected by temperature. Modulus of elasticity also changes from material to material. Carbon fiber has a much higher modulus of elasticity than steel.
I'd like to hear your thoughts Keith. Byran Litz did an extensive test on tuners. His results did not support the tuner manufacturers' claim that they be used to find a repeatable high precision load.
Yes we need a video! Thank you.
Would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on tuners Keith.
Thanks for your time and sharing your knowledge with us!
Yes to Tuner video. Always good to hear your thoughts
I would like the video. My logic tells me that it could be beneficial but at splitting hairs levels, but only at the very end of a load development for the last variable to tune. First find stable powder charge for es, and then find seating depth for accuracy and make sure you are at just below the furthest out seating depth for erosion over time, then primer crush for both es and accuracy, then verify es via powder again for a safety zone in case it moved because of seating and primer, and then and only then use a tuner. If you tune a barrel for an unstable load, you are going to be disappointed next time you go out. And this is all after sorting brass and primers and using quality components and wearing a tinfoil hat.😜
Totally want to watch that.
I’ll jump in.
Let’s check it out
Can’t say I’d noticed the lack of tuners but now you mention it, yes let’s here your views on why.
Yes we need it to understand ::-)
I installed a Harrell's tuner/brake on my FACTORY Rem. 700 223 and my 5 shot groups @ 100 yds. reduced from 5/8" to 3/8" using Sierra 69gr. @ 2800 fps.
Personally I think tuner/brakes shine on factory barrels
ps: those barrels you have shown are huge chunks of steel and I doubt they vibrate at all
Yes, plz Keith!!! Will definitely want your take on this trendy subject!
Yes please!
So many people recommend useless gadgets, and for me (as a beginner) it is impossible to judge theit value
Thanks a lot in advance!
Klaus
I’d welcome an unbiased opinion - a rare thing on UA-cam.
Tuners and the physics behind them are of interest to me. It seems like when putting them on blind, they have almost as good a chance of de-tuning a barrel as they do dampening it. I’m interesting in learning more
Yeah, (background is physics, but I play an optical and opto-mechanical engineer during the day, good with waves and materials) it changes the way the barrel jiggles. They work, but you have to go through a "load" development cycle just like you would for seating depth. It's faster and more manageable at the range but they aren't magic. Think of it like adding a weight to a string and trying one end to a table. You'll be able to shake that string so it creates a "standing wave"- that's the resonance. Now move the weight, the resonance will change just a bit.
Yes, I'm interested in knowing.
Yes, I’d like to see that video.
Oh…. Now I 100% need to know.
Yes, I want a tuner video!
Make that a big yes for me!
Yes definitely
Love to see a tuner video 👍🏼 , I want to the truth about these add ones , I’ve seen several videos of them improving groups , not one that showed really poor results.
Yes a Tuner video would be nice.😁
I think I know, but I want to hear it from you. Looking forward to it.
Count me in as well!
Yes, I want to learn about how you do tuning.
Yes, please!
Yes I want a tuner video!
I have seen one of yours that explained why you didn't use them, or that you stated that you don't need them ..I specifically remember that. So, yes!
Yes, I'd like a tuner video👍
I'd love a tuner video! They definitely interest me, as they do many, but they are not necessarily cheap for a budget shooter.
Yes I would like to know also. I have one but have never dialed it in yet. People swear by them, but I cannot comment on them until I actually use it:)
Yes I want a tuner video!!!
Yes please for a tuner video, pro's, con's, and everything in between
Yes go for it
Yes please. I'm interested in your thoughts to help with knowledge. Thanks.
Yes, it would be a good video to see.
Yes please Keith, would like to see your video on tuners
Yes, I would like to see you do a video on tuners.
I don't really care about the tuners personally but somehow know your video will be a wealth of information regardless.
Yes please to that mate. The more opinions there are to consider, the more I will see the bigger picture.
Yes, I would love to hear your thoughts on tuners and how to use them properly.
Definitely want to know!
Yes please!...and yes again.
Yes, I want tuner video!
Yes I always enjoy both sides of an argument.
Yes Keith, I'd love to know.👍
Yes please. Greetings from Germany
Thanks Keith ; would love to know the tuner reason.....thank you for all you do for us....
Great content as usual. Yes please give us your analysis on tuners. Im tuning in on this one
Can’t wait to “tune” in!!
Let's hear it.
Yes, I would like to know.
Yes, a tuner video would be interesting.
Please do. I am convinced it would be of your usual high standard, that we all can appreciate.
Yes I do!
I have never used tuners. I will admit I don't know enough about them to make an informed decision about their use. This is one of those I don't know what I don't know situations.
I'm looking forward to the tuner video I hope is coming.
I want your opinion on tuners, I think they are just adding a variable into a game in which we are trying to eliminate as many as possible
Hell yea. I’d like to know.
I dont either, yes I would like to hear your reasons, best regards Steve
Tuner video 👍🏻
Yes please!
As a tuner user I am very interested (I'm not an F class shooter)😁👍. Keep up the great videos, love your channel!
Would be interesting to hear and see.
Yes Please!
Yes I'd like to see a tuner video. Thanks, Be Safe.
Yes, do the video!