Showing RED when going over by 0.02 grains may make some think it’s not the best. However 1 kernel of a lot of stick powder about 0.02-0.04 grains so it takes 3-5 kernels to make 0.1 grain difference. Many of the scales only read to 0.1 gr accuracy and therefore any charge from 0.01 to 0.09 grains would still show as NOT being over for a given weight on any scale that cannot measure to two decimal places.
Yes. And that's something they would have been appreciated for telling everyone and demonstrating to the masses. That something I picked up on the first time I started using a digital scale. Caught myself counting actual individual grains trying to trickle to up that last grain of charge weight. Still do some times when I'm wearing my glasses and can see em.
That's pretty sweet. I picked up on this about 10 years ago that a lot of my magnum powders 3 kernels would give me 0.1 grain difference. I don't know how many people know this but its something I've only seen mention very few times. Ball powder or the flatten fine little disk like powders is a whole different beast.
I swear, after 40+ years of working in software development, I'm convinced that the term "artificial intelligence" was coined by the marketing department. 🤣
@@cole4406 I did that until about 2 months ago and gotta say the chargemaster link is such a quol update. Im still faster with a manual trickler and mechanical scale, but the reduced work load cant be beat 😁 after getting it got a power adapter for trimmer, and looking into the rcbs case prep center. Lazyness cant be beat 🤣
It seems to be having a hard time with the large diameter of the trickler tube. I'd expect it to better meet its own accuracy standard if it had a secondary small diameter one.
@@ErikCortina It keeps going over but it's learning... LoL No thanks and Rex is a twat to deal with I have just seen that first hand. And the nice think about an auto trickler is it is make in North America not some foreigner!
I need some help! I watched the video on setting up a full length die. I'm trying to set up for bumping the shoulder. 002 - .003. I have several bolt guns and a couple gas guns. On the video, Eric showed us that the fired brass was .002 longer than the brass he resized, that had been fired in that gun. I understand the ease of setting the die with the caliper. If I measure several fire brass and get x. Can I set my die and get x - .002 to - .003 on several pieces and be confident I'm off the shoulder, increasing accuracy and minimizing work hardening???
I go from a Lyman electronic dispenser (usually H4831sc) and because I don't trust the software in the dispenser, I move it to a Redding balance beam scale and carefully trickle up. WAY good enough. I don't believe a half kernel of powder is going to make a difference in your 45gr loads.
The Prometheus never made sense to use. For the longest time, you didn't even own the machine even after paying out 4.5k. It has only been recently that you can outright buy it for 5.5k. This machine costs 1.3k out the door, just a little more then the auto trickler.
The Prometheus is truly an engineering marvel, and a fine piece of equipment. Kinda like the Apollo moon rockets. And, like them, it's out of its era and its league with modern engineering.
If you want more accurate powder throws, Get a razor blade and shave some granules in half. Put it in an Omega 2 and hand trickle the last 3 "half granules"
Did you check it with a known weight? Maybe Skynet wants to keep you and your skills from hurting it in the future. The refrigerator listened to you plotting against a computer and told them on the internet! They're waiting for the chance to overload a cartridge and hurt you first.
Are you using a power conditioner? flourescent lighting? I've seen other videos where the scale is set on a granite plate to help with vibration. Need a wider view shot of your setup.
All these new toys are pretty cool, it is easy to like them, but the price tags are just over the top ridiculous. I look at the variety of reloading crap I have, and most of it doesn't really even get used. As a group of consumers, we are probably the biggest bunch of suckers on the planet.
@@kylemacdonell1450 yes, but why would you want an extra kernel dropped? The tolerance should be set at 1/2 the weight of the average kernel. Plus the ST is old news, I guarantee you won't see EC playing with it anymore now that the IP is coming out - the one his buddy F-Class Gavin has been promoting.
I built my own too....but it was based on loadcell, and it looks great at beginning of loading with up to 0.001gn error, but it starts drifting badly after while. It is a problem with loadcells, it is not consistent. I even put algorithm to zero every load throw and still it is not good enough. So, no mater how good is autothrower or trickler, if balance scale is not a laboratory type with active feedback then it is not going to work well. I am back to fx-120i. May be one day I will compete with Autotrickler. So, now the Autotricler the only one that works great. Erik, put this electronics on top of fx-120i and it will blow up the market.
@@StuninRub then it may work well, just need good algorithm to prevent overthrow. I don't care if it takes 5-10sec, the point is to have it precisely measured. Looks good though! I wish to have more time to spend for hobby to finish mine so it could look professionally made.
@@StasPlagov It is hardly an over throw. Depending on the weight of the granules of the powder, it could just be that the weight of each granule is not easily divisible by .002 gr.
@@kirkmartin2223 .02 gr if you are lucky, a lot are between 5gr to 3gr, but at that point you are truly just splitting hair, I guess if it truly mattered that much for half a granule one could cut some in half and just throw half a granule in every time it reads .02 off. Granted, there is a margin of error of about .02gr with the A&D scale so that 49.98 could actually be 50.
That's not an accurate powder charge time for reloading purposes. Start counting the time as soon as you set the cup on the scale. Then stop counting when you have a charge completed. That's the real time you're going to be waiting to be able to fill the next case.
Okidokie. That's cool. Seriously. Would have liked to see it run with a pistol powder like A#5 or #7 or mabey tight group. And yeah I know you're a rifle guy but hand gunners shoot long guns too.
@@scottaberegg1167 that's a good thing.? I guess my main question is and was is how accurate is it as opposed to the extruded. As it's more accurate than any manual measure/dropper and at least as accurate as most electronic droppers. And absolutely faster than any electronic I've ever seen. And thank you for your response.
@@davidunderwood3605 join the Facebook group or look for the 18 minute compilation video if you want to see it dropping small charges of fine pistol powder
That wasn't the fault of the trickler. Each grain of H4831 usually weighs 0.04 grains so when the charge weighed 39.98, it had to throw more powder and it was a certainty it was going to be over.
You misunderstand that it is using artificial intelligence to learn how to throw that particular powder the first time without any tinkering by the end-user. Read up a little more and you will understand better
Showing RED when going over by 0.02 grains may make some think it’s not the best. However 1 kernel of a lot of stick powder about 0.02-0.04 grains so it takes 3-5 kernels to make 0.1 grain difference. Many of the scales only read to 0.1 gr accuracy and therefore any charge from 0.01 to 0.09 grains would still show as NOT being over for a given weight on any scale that cannot measure to two decimal places.
Yes. And that's something they would have been appreciated for telling everyone and demonstrating to the masses. That something I picked up on the first time I started using a digital scale. Caught myself counting actual individual grains trying to trickle to up that last grain of charge weight. Still do some times when I'm wearing my glasses and can see em.
That's pretty sweet. I picked up on this about 10 years ago that a lot of my magnum powders 3 kernels would give me 0.1 grain difference. I don't know how many people know this but its something I've only seen mention very few times. Ball powder or the flatten fine little disk like powders is a whole different beast.
I used to shoot 1000 yard competition and let me tell you if it’s .02 off your going to miss
1 year later: “it’s still learning”.
Hide and watch
After a year you just tell it you have a match coming and it will sort out the rest on it's own. 😄
@@bandite77 haha! Dead
I swear, after 40+ years of working in software development, I'm convinced that the term "artificial intelligence" was coined by the marketing department. 🤣
As a marketing and sales guy please don't give away all our secrets... I gotta eat too 😆
Why no additional videos????
Looks sweet! I’m still hand trickling on a mechanical scale over here!
You're lucky, we are still hand mixing saltpetre, charcoal and sulphur over here😁😁
@@paulvonblerk9365 the dark ages!
@@cole4406 I did that until about 2 months ago and gotta say the chargemaster link is such a quol update. Im still faster with a manual trickler and mechanical scale, but the reduced work load cant be beat 😁 after getting it got a power adapter for trimmer, and looking into the rcbs case prep center. Lazyness cant be beat 🤣
Only a little more expensive then the auto trickler. I'm glad somebody is finally giving them a run for their money.
After the Supertrickler has been in the wild for just one year, the ATV4 will be obsolete
autotrickler was devekoped by a college kid so whats the problem
@@bavariasuhl A competent college kid.
Great, another reloading toy! Was looking the other day, and made the decision to start building a bigger bench in the next couple weeks!!!
Thats pretty sweet. I though the charge master was fancy. Looks like hospital equipment.
It seems to be having a hard time with the large diameter of the trickler tube. I'd expect it to better meet its own accuracy standard if it had a secondary small diameter one.
it does
Does it make espresso?
I have never seen Erik oversell before.
^^^this
Erik, if you were choosing between this and the autotrickler which would you buy?
This one.
@@ErikCortina It keeps going over but it's learning... LoL
No thanks and Rex is a twat to deal with I have just seen that first hand. And the nice think about an auto trickler is it is make in North America not some foreigner!
I have a brand new v3 with all the area 419 billet aluminum extras. I seriously considering letting it go to help me get this set up.
With scale?
Hey Erik, looks like your coffee maker's confused.
Hmmm, no price on their website. As one person commented…”it’s still learning”. Fast isn’t any good if it’s not accurate…on anything.
I've already forgotten what it it still needs to learn 😂 The UI does look very nice. Ergonomic setup.
Can you show a powder clean out / change
This should have been one of your April fools videos. 99 out of 100 charge weights were wrong.
Also 50% longer than written on the screen. Autotricler is better :-)
"Wrong" by a single kernel of powder. Well within what most consider acceptable
@@mindaugask1 Maybe after you spend another 400 bucks on the IP dropper to get the damn thing to stop overthrowing by .04gr or more
Dispencer shoot isnt emptying. Thats why the error.
I gotta be honest I have no idea whats going on
Has the super trickler been released yet !!
I need some help! I watched the video on setting up a full length die. I'm trying to set up for bumping the shoulder. 002 - .003. I have several bolt guns and a couple gas guns. On the video, Eric showed us that the fired brass was .002 longer than the brass he resized, that had been fired in that gun. I understand the ease of setting the die with the caliper. If I measure several fire brass and get x. Can I set my die and get x - .002 to - .003 on several pieces and be confident I'm off the shoulder, increasing accuracy and minimizing work hardening???
I go from a Lyman electronic dispenser (usually H4831sc) and because I don't trust the software in the dispenser, I move it to a Redding balance beam scale and carefully trickle up. WAY good enough. I don't believe a half kernel of powder is going to make a difference in your 45gr loads.
Erik, on those overthrows of .02, you would tip it straight into a case wouldn’t you?
It depends what I’m doing. Most situations I would simply dump it into the case. 0.020 is one kernel of powder.
(Cortina then turns camera off, throws this thing into a closet, and goes back to using Prometheus)
The Prometheus never made sense to use. For the longest time, you didn't even own the machine even after paying out 4.5k. It has only been recently that you can outright buy it for 5.5k. This machine costs 1.3k out the door, just a little more then the auto trickler.
The Prometheus is truly an engineering marvel, and a fine piece of equipment. Kinda like the Apollo moon rockets. And, like them, it's out of its era and its league with modern engineering.
I need this just because weighing the powder is the most time consuming part
If you want more accurate powder throws, Get a razor blade and shave some granules in half. Put it in an Omega 2 and hand trickle the last 3 "half granules"
So guys will complain about a $550 chronograph, but then spend $1300+ on a trickler?
Yep. They will complain about everything and buy it anyway. That’s me at least
Did you check it with a known weight? Maybe Skynet wants to keep you and your skills from hurting it in the future. The refrigerator listened to you plotting against a computer and told them on the internet! They're waiting for the chance to overload a cartridge and hurt you first.
what a coffee machine! Where can you buy it ?
Are you using a power conditioner? flourescent lighting? I've seen other videos where the scale is set on a granite plate to help with vibration. Need a wider view shot of your setup.
Cooler than a new pair of boots LOL, I hand trickle and don't mind it.
All these new toys are pretty cool, it is easy to like them, but the price tags are just over the top ridiculous.
I look at the variety of reloading crap I have, and most of it doesn't really even get used. As a group of consumers, we are probably the biggest bunch of suckers on the planet.
You should try target archery. More fancy terms and gimmicks than you can shake a stick at.
Cannot wait till mine arrives :)
It said Discard 3 of those loads ??
Yep. Seems like EC was just playing with it for the first time.
@@scottaberegg1167 The loads were .02 OFF thats the weight of an individual kernel
@@kylemacdonell1450 yes, but why would you want an extra kernel dropped? The tolerance should be set at 1/2 the weight of the average kernel. Plus the ST is old news, I guarantee you won't see EC playing with it anymore now that the IP is coming out - the one his buddy F-Class Gavin has been promoting.
@@scottaberegg1167 I don't know about this new one !
Tell me more , what do I search ?
Thank you
It is saving the settings..
Wath hapend with more or less moister in the air? Ar powder sensitive for moist?
Im currently using the V3 area419 upgrades. How easy is it to remove the unused powder and put back into their containers?
How does it work with the magnum powders?
Looks to me that this throws similar to the V4. It is doing .02 under and .02 over
You can set it up to throw with tighter or looser tolerance.
Still waiting on my v4 and now there's this....
For the money, I'll keep my RCBS Charge Master. Plus, it throws the exact amount.
Yeah cuz the scale has crap for resolution. You can’t see what you can’t measure
Check that measurement on another day.. 2 tenths error is the NORM
Geez!!! Do we really need another????? .......
I built my own too....but it was based on loadcell, and it looks great at beginning of loading with up to 0.001gn error, but it starts drifting badly after while. It is a problem with loadcells, it is not consistent. I even put algorithm to zero every load throw and still it is not good enough. So, no mater how good is autothrower or trickler, if balance scale is not a laboratory type with active feedback then it is not going to work well. I am back to fx-120i. May be one day I will compete with Autotrickler. So, now the Autotricler the only one that works great. Erik, put this electronics on top of fx-120i and it will blow up the market.
It runs on the A&D Fx-120i, just like the auto trickler.
@@StuninRub then it may work well, just need good algorithm to prevent overthrow. I don't care if it takes 5-10sec, the point is to have it precisely measured. Looks good though! I wish to have more time to spend for hobby to finish mine so it could look professionally made.
@@StasPlagov It is hardly an over throw. Depending on the weight of the granules of the powder, it could just be that the weight of each granule is not easily divisible by .002 gr.
@@StuninRub most rifle powder kernels weigh about .02gr each. The large stick powders like N570 weigh even more than .02gr per kernel.
@@kirkmartin2223 .02 gr if you are lucky, a lot are between 5gr to 3gr, but at that point you are truly just splitting hair, I guess if it truly mattered that much for half a granule one could cut some in half and just throw half a granule in every time it reads .02 off. Granted, there is a margin of error of about .02gr with the A&D scale so that 49.98 could actually be 50.
That's not an accurate powder charge time for reloading purposes. Start counting the time as soon as you set the cup on the scale. Then stop counting when you have a charge completed. That's the real time you're going to be waiting to be able to fill the next case.
Which do you prefer the autotrickler v4 or the supertrickler?
Okidokie. That's cool. Seriously. Would have liked to see it run with a pistol powder like A#5 or #7 or mabey tight group. And yeah I know you're a rifle guy but hand gunners shoot long guns too.
it does pistol powder like a champ too
@@scottaberegg1167 that's a good thing.? I guess my main question is and was is how accurate is it as opposed to the extruded. As it's more accurate than any manual measure/dropper and at least as accurate as most electronic droppers. And absolutely faster than any electronic I've ever seen. And thank you for your response.
@@davidunderwood3605 join the Facebook group or look for the 18 minute compilation video if you want to see it dropping small charges of fine pistol powder
How bad could being off by .02g be?!!
For the money ide just buy an rcbs if i want overthrows
Sweet, but that machine better make coffee if I'm going to upgrade from my V3. LOL❤❤❤❤❤👍👍👍👍👍👀😎
It’s not fast if you have to discard most of the charges
That wasn't the fault of the trickler. Each grain of H4831 usually weighs 0.04 grains so when the charge weighed 39.98, it had to throw more powder and it was a certainty it was going to be over.
@@clays7741 Yes, EC had the allowed variance set too tight for that powder
I like my RCBS Chargemaster 1500 works good enough for me.
Lol
If it’s not gonna dump accurately consistently, it ain’t worth the cash.
Set it on 49.98.
always seems to be out by a bit.?? i dont know if i'd want that
You misunderstand that it is using artificial intelligence to learn how to throw that particular powder the first time without any tinkering by the end-user. Read up a little more and you will understand better
Out by a bit??? 0.02 grains… a kernel of that type of powder is probably 0.03 grains - do you know anything about reloading?
0.02 gn over the 50 gn throw weight, consistently ... not bad
He hasn't manually adjusted it yet. The AI settings can be manually adjusted for fine-tuning the result.
Expensive coffee maker
Wow....discard with .02 varience.....ill take it!
The make up of the powder isn’t that accurate that .02 grains would make a difference. Too much time wasted re throwing
What the hell is wrong with it. Doesn't matter how fast it is if it keeps failing to hit the number
Let me guess, you got it for free.
Erik this one or the Prometheus ?
But can it make coffee....😁
But how accurate is it? Check it on a jewelers scale.
It's on a fx120i.. only runs with fx120i..
@@perchowski3021 Awwww booooo, wasnt impressed with that scale.
Especially for the price
@@beachboardfan9544 you can find it for 500ish brand new. Most places sell them for ~700 but if you look around you can find them cheaper.
@@beachboardfan9544 pretty sure that’s the industry standard at the moment
@@beachboardfan9544 It out resolves most commercial jeweler scales and serves the purposes of reloading for most gun powders.
How much does this thing cost
$725 shipped to USA
@@scottaberegg1167 that’s not as bad as I was expecting
Not impressed , looks like a 'pain' to empty and/or switch powders.
Where in the above video did you see powders switched? And where is a video of a better powder switch rig?
gimmick.
Great. Stay out out of the queue so the rest of us can get ours sooner
@@scottaberegg1167 are you a paid advocate?
@@wesleyjones6535 no. Just an objective observer
$1300 for a powder measuring device? I’ll stick with my $15 trickler
ERIK.. THAT'S A AWESOME TOY ...!!!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE ...!!!
Just like my kids.......they keep making the same mistakes...
How is that artificial intelligence if you're having to do it 😉