Roto Grip Gem vs Storm Proton Physix! No Amount Of Oil Can Stop These Bowling Balls!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- The Roto Grip Gem and the Storm Proton PhysiX are the two strongest bowling balls on the market! How will they stack up to one another?!
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Absolutely EXCELLENT VS video. Thats why I subscribe because your pairing up balls that us league bowlers can use, to assist in our purchase for the limited 3-4 ball bag. KUDOS Luis!!!
I’m glad this helps Brian!!
The comparison we’ve all been waiting for in my opinion. I love throwing my proton. You know they’re both strong when you’re leaving 9 pins
I had a lot of requests for that!
@@LuisNapoles my honest opinion I’d love to throw that gem but I’m more than happy with my proton physix.
Hey , when you speak about your experiences and what you’ve discovered about your own mechanics , that just adds all the more value to what we get from your videos . I absolutely love it!! Thank you very much !!!
Thanks!! I appreciate that!
You definitely rocked both!! Looked great! Fundamentals is always the key!!
Thanks Richard!!
We are definitely here to hear the development of your game as well. Its so refreshing to get insight from a experienced bowler who is not a pro. Its so much closer to my abilities and is that much more useful and accessible than what Sean Rash can tell me about his game. My and Sean Rash's game are infinitely far apart, and while yours and mine are miles apart it helps infinitely more.
Lets get better together then!
8:12 "Guys, I figured it out. The universe is unlocked".
I have only felt this way once when I bowled my first and only 200 game. Im not in a league or anything, it was just unconscious. I didn't even look up at the score till I was at 190. I just started bowling seriously last spring. Thank you for your videos and perspective.
Its def a good feeling to be in! Lets keep grinding!
7:06 - I f*ing love hearing about your game, Luis. Could hear it all day. You the gem, bro.
Thanks! I appreciate that!!
The cover on the Proton is very touchy. After every league night I hit it with a 2000 pad, otherwise the lane shine that builds up dramatically decreases its performance at a rather quick rate. This also keeps the Proton very consistent.
I try to keep my bigger solids with fresh covers also
Yes sir Josh Ninneman I have a million games on my Proton and do the same. I changed my hand position and I'm going with the cleaner stuff on THS . Zen,Phase 4, Altered Reality, Phase 2 if those are to clean. Thanks 😊
Same, my proton doesn’t hook enough once the cover gets oily. I knock it down with 1000 pad 😂
That's awesome you did this video from Sam's town. I bowl there Wednesday night. Hope to run into you out here some day. I have both that I will get ready to start throwing again soon
Hopefully! I film most of my videos there!
Luis, really enjoy your critic of bowling equipment.. Also like your choice of bowling shirts. I would like a show that compares what is close to the new Spectre from Storm.. Thank you for all you do to promote the sport of Bowling.
I’ll do my best!!!! Thanks for that!
Thank you for the great content. Get your hustle ( and I don't mean the ball ) on.
I appreciate that!
I like the roto grip gem. I just ordered mine today.
I hope you love it!
Sooooo much information!! Thank you.
You’re welcome!
1 2 down up thru. The steps/approach looking smooth. Gem is a Monster!
Working on it!
@@LuisNapoles you are crushing it right now. Best bowling videos on UA-cam! Viewers are not looking for the newest ball reviews or best comparison videos. We are looking for simple tips and advice that will improve/ help our game.
good physical game info !
Thanks!
Roto grip just give me back the original defiant love that core and coverstock on the og defiant and that purple color blue combo looked so beautiful down lane..
This gem reminds me of a cleaner version of the og defiant.. for me because i throw it similar to you the defiant core grabs so early and slows down so much in the backend that you really need to rev match with speed for the revs your throwing. What i mean is you really need to get around the ball and give it time to read the lane cause it reads so early.. like if you throw faster you better get around the ball faster.. if you throw slower you better come around the ball slower if that makes sense at least for me.. i remember walking in on league night with the og defiant nobody owned the ball the few that tested it said they couldn't throw it.. after they seen me strike all night the next week like 10 people had the defiant but nobody figured out how to throw the ball. I actually had to full change my release and really find a new way to come over the top and around the ball more and then i was unstoppable.. forward motion this core doesn't like much it likes when you come around the ball more or change the axis.. anyways i might have to get the gem because if its anything like the original defiant its going to be a beast for me..
In my bag right now believe it or not is the storm surelock and the og black widow might be the og black widow pearl i bowled my first 300 game with it like 15yrs ago. I think its time for a bag upgrade i need a strong pearl, and maybe an asymmetrical solid and a symmetrical solid. Im thinking i have to get idol helios, gem and what do you recommend for a pearl the wolverine or zen? I throw it similar to you. I throw it about 14-16mph consistently and idk what my rev rate is but id assume its around 280-350 so low rev slow speed. Ive never had a ball hook to much i couldn't control. Im more of a stoker but go as deep as a tweener when need be.
I never had one but I heard so many good things!
@@LuisNapoles to me it was the gem but earlier and had a 3000 abylon solid finish 👌 💪... ball was ahead of its time for sure kind of like the nano was ..
"The universe is unlocked" 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Yea I was a little excited there! Haha
@@LuisNapoles I've been there brother! You should have seen my reaction after picking up a 4-6 split the other day... I almost fell into the lane next to me I was so excited 😆
I appreciate the video. Just stumbled across your video. I’m a lefty with pretty much the same shot shape and revs as you. So your channel will really help me I think. I have the proton and really like it! Could you maybe throw it compared to the Phaze 4?? Kind of an arsenal video type of thing?
I’ll have something like that coming soon !!! Thanks for the sub and support!
Sorry Lu, it remembers me to the Jackal Lagacy vs Alpha Jackal battle. :) Reality, Gem, Proton, great big balls.
Gonna use these on some higher volume patterns!
Oh yeah Lou is the baby bowling yet time goes fast😁😎 I wish you and the family the best⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐.
Thanks so much Tiger!
Can you do one comparing the GEM and the NOVA. Maybe even all 3...
Definitely can!!!
@@LuisNapoles that would be awesome!!!!
Man I love to see how you would compare a UFO solid to any of the hook monsters you mentioned.
I wish I could get my hands on one!
Love my Proton, only12 games on it and hit 199 and would've been a 200 if not for a stone 7 pin. I just love throwing the Proton, I upgraded from a Phase II. When it hits the pin carry is absolutely insane.
GREAT ball!
If you can find one, compare it to a Storm Strong Bite Tour:
2.47 rg .058 diff .028 mb
G2 core and SPEC cover.
Probably the best Heavy Oil Asymmetrical I've ever thrown. USBC approved but not for PBA.
I’d love to! But those overseas balls are soooooooo expensive!
Great review and comparison. The Gem looked really good, but the Proton is your "Daddy Ball" for sure.
Proton is my "fun" ball lol idk about my daddy ball! I need to figure out what my new daddy ball is lol
@@LuisNapoles But you strike at will with it, more so than any other ball. How could it not be your ultimate ball?
You know you gotta compare the Gem to the Nova and Reality great job 👌
Definitely will !!!
I can’t decide between the Gem and the Proton! Predictably and earlier read of the Gem or the more hook and ability to play further left with the Proton
I would have a hard time voting against the Gem if I am being honest here
Should I do a strong layout with the gem or more of a medium layout if I want the ball the read early but shape
Another great video. Both balls look amazing. To bad I’m a Brunswick guy! 🤷♂️
Hey that’s okay! We are all bowlers!!!
Unless you're being sponsored, why limit yourself? Get what works best, it's not like a Storm or Roto Grip is going to fall apart or something.
For the same reason people decide to reply others reply. Just because!! Time to move on.
Luis, do a comparison between the Nova and the Gem.
That will come eventually!
Do you have a video talking about having rubber inserts vs finger tape? Ty
I use both inserts and finger tape
I definitely prefer the Gem over the proton physics.
interesting
Before you even said it. As I was watching, I was so surprised to see the Proton look so clean lol.
My one question for you, do you ever feel like your physical game adjusts to the ball you throw? i.e. because the Gem is so strong, did you up your ball speed, etc.
So I definitely try not to do that you know
Lou, the results of this comparison shouldn't be surprising if you threw both the Defiant and the VG NANO back in the day. The Defiant did the same thing the Gem is doing now and I polished mine immediately after trying to throw it at GC for 2 games. Checked early, and had to keep it in the oil to see anything good.
The shine made it more usable on but still retained its original characteristics and a fun comparison I'll be doing is Gem vs. Defiant Soul. Paragon LRG vs Paragon, 77H Hybrid vs MicroTrax. 👀👀👀
Maybe I'll have to try polishing my Gem then!
@@LuisNapoles definitely! You'll be able to throw it anywhere you want for the most part. 😁
If you don't like it, you can always sand it off.
Hey, I just wanted to say I have never seen your face before due to the mask mandate. You are one handsome lad. Thanks for all the great content. It goes a long way for a novice like myself.
Hey I really appreciate that Michael!
Please, on one of your videos, explain the difference on why your layouts are different on different bowling balls. And just what a 30x5x30 does in relation to lane movement. Thanks, doing great job !
Sounds
Good
@@LuisNapoles I too would like more info on your preferred drill for the Gem. Thanks
VERY NICE VID. GREAT COMPARISON. Could you explain the difference shape and continuation? also what do you think of a video on ball reaction in regards to 1500 polish vs 1500 sanded? Keep up the great work. \m/
Shape would be a fast transition downlane and continuation would be a slow gradual motion! 1500 polish would be much longer and angular compared to 1500 sanded
For me I always have to polish these big balls but I don't throw more than 16mph. If I don't they always hit weak unless I throw it absolutely perfect. If you have more average speed you will probably like the sanded surface more. Since the reaction will look more consistent. They all hook if you throw the ball right but continuation is key in bowling
would love 2 see a vid between the Gem vs the Infinite Physix
Interesting
Brilliant again going 2 get one soon, is 24 mil considered medium oil or medium to heavy oil 41 ft house shot?
I would say yea it’s medium!
Luis, first AWESOME VIDS! Keep em coming. Second, I have both the Proton, Reality & Nova (both pin up) but I am considering getting the GEM pin down for my tournament bag. What are your thoughts? Is it overkill??...Thanks.
I don’t think it’s over kill no! Pin down gem will give you a different look!
So here’s a funny story, in league last night the oil machine messed up and put oil all the way down to the pin deck… nothing hooked! Maybe the Gem at 500 could’ve saved me lol
Oof that’s a lot of oil!!!
Hi Luis, just came across your channel. Really enjoying your videos. I used to bowl competitively but had to give up due to torn ligaments and frozen shoulder. I live in Henderson and am going to be getting back into the gym to lose a lot of weight and get my strength back. Maybe I can meet you sometime at Sam's Town for lunch. Talk bowling. I am looking forward to getting on the lanes again. Take care and thanks for the video motivation. Elliott
Lets make it happen!
@@LuisNapoles Hi Luis, which league do you bowl in at Sam's Town? I will be looking for a league in the Fall if their are any openings. Thanks.
I wonder if the gem and proton will even out and practically play on top of one another once the gem gets more games on it and the coverstock tames down a bit.
I’ll take a look at this in about two weeks
Great informative video. Does your physics have more games on it ?. Just wondering as I've noticed physics lose their pop quite quickly. I'm not complaining because I believe the storm companies make the best sponge mop covers out there and when they get full time for a new sponge mop.
My proton prob has 25 games on it
@@LuisNapoles then already slowing down a bit. So my take from the video is equal total hook . But easier length and more down lane shape with physics. Would you agree ?
@@jamesfriday3716 you can take them to a pro shop for a detox and they'll get all the oil out for you, I just stick my Hy Road in the oven on its lowest setting every couple times out and the oil will sweat out.
@@stephenwalker6980 Well I'm also a big fan of the oven de oil. Not for my heaviest oil ball . I've found after a de oil the ball really only acts new for a few games. I don't know if you struggle with heavy oil but with a low track and higher speed I struggled. Until my pro shop guy told me to get off my wallet for the heavy oiler and buy something in the stom family. Since then when it's oily I can still hit 600+ . Not to mention I love using oil soaked balls when the lanes break down . Good luck on the lanes !
I'm still throwing the original PhysiX in league, I really want to upgrade the ball because i just enjoy the way the PhysiX rolls on a THS but i dont if replacing with with the proton or Gem is the best idea.
I want an og Physix so bad!
@@LuisNapoles I believe my rev rate and speed are pretty even because with the OG PhysiX I stand about 30 board lay the ball on 20 board out to 15 on the fresh. Playing way inside to avoid the other 4 on the pair is the only way to get a consistent score. There is only one other right handed that will play in the same area.
I have two PhysiXs, I feel like maybe a Idol Helios is about the only thing that's somwhat close to it. But I've never thrown a Proton so I might be wrong
Yes Tyler ,Michael I also have the og Physix loved that along with the Astro . There really is not anything in the Storm line up even close. Have the Proton but like the Phase 2 better going with the Altered Reality as my big asym. Thanks 😊
@@anthonydorazio9650 good to know. So keep my og physix in good shape and for as long as I can lol
Well I bowled a 236 last week and ive been bowling twice in my life
Nice!
Luis. Really enjoy your videos. I noticed that your layouts are different on solid asyms vs pearl asyms.. Any particular reason why you do that with the different covers? Just curious. Thanks
My layouts are all the same. I recently changed them from 45x4.5x45 to 30x5x30
@@LuisNapoles ok. Do you see much of a difference between those layouts?
I’ve been loving your videos! I really appreciate all you’re doing. I do have a question/opinion I’d love your input on. My ball speed is around 19.5 according to most lanes I’ve been bowling on. I have a hard time getting most balls to move on the lane. Do you think either of these balls will help with that? Maybe look into getting my older balls redrilled to a stronger layout or something?
I would say that stronger balls drilled strong will be your best friend. Like a Gem drilled 60x4x20
@@LuisNapoles thank you sir. Picked one up today along with a Zen. The Gem does work
I had that issue with my first custom ball. Got the gem and its moving great
Weird not seeing you with a mask on haha
I’ve had a few people mention that 😂😂
I'm confused on what new solid asymmetrical ball to purchase. I really enjoy all your videos because they are informative and also very educational. I'm stuck between the Gem, Super Nova, and Proton Physix. I currently own a Snaplock (Asymmetric Pearl Reactive), Phase 3 (Symmetrical Hybrid Reactive), Unhinged (Symmetrical Reactive Pearl), and a Shift (Asymmetrical Pear particle). I use my snaplock and phase 3 the most. I'm a down and in low Rev player with average sweet spot speed of 14.3 or 14.4 and sometimes faster in 15s as lanes dry up. My sweet spot is left foot on board 25.5 and looking with my eye at board 7 and the ball goes right around second arrow in league typical house pattern. I do drift when I bowl but I play my drift and adjust. If someone could leave a comment on some advice as to a new solid asymmetrical I would appreciate it. I'm also going to purchase a used High Road Pearl from my friend to combat really beat up dry transition for my competitive men's league I'm in. I also bowl in a less competitive older adult Saturday mixed league which I seem to average better in than my Tuesday men's league.
Foe me between those 3 balls the order would be 1. Proton Physix Far away 2. super Nova 3. Gem
@@LuisNapoles So your saying based on what I've told you, Proton seems like best option for me right ?
@@LuisNapoles I do remember you saying in one of your videos that Super Nova good option for lower Rev players as well.
This video makes me want to get both the Proton and the Gem lol 😆
Hope you have enough oil for that! 😂😂
I heard you get a complementary qt. with New Ball Purchase. Gonna need it for the Sahara Desert lanes where I bowl league.
Can I ask your advice? I am new to bowling. I was sold a Brunswick Rhino 10lbs ball, my first fitted bowling ball. Then after some research I purchased the Trend by storm because it seemed to fit my game. Interestingly under certain weights the core is different. I did not know this when I bought my first ball. It had no core in it. Often only 14lbs and up have dynamic cores. Anyways, I have since purchased a urethane ball for when my pearl is too strong on the dry. Can you recommend a good ball to compliment a low rev player with a Trend and a Urethane ball? I feel that I need to fill out my two ball arsenal with a third. I'm thinking something like the Reality.
Something like a reality or a Phaze 2 even would nicely round out your arsenal! Definitely join the Discord thats linked in the videos description! We chat bowling there all day!
I'm curious to know how many games you have on your proton versus that brand new gym
Probably like 8-10 MAX on the proton vs 3-4 on the gem
@@LuisNapoles you looked like you were liking the way that Gem kept trucking right through those pins when you would think it would be spent, my pro shop here in Las Vegas is getting the Gems in on the 11th and I'm already in line to get one, I keep running into 35 foot patterns at my house every weekend after youth tournaments, by the time I get on them, all the urethane balls have dragged it even further in spots, I think the Gem will just come back through anything by the looks of it, I can't wait.
Would you recommend one of these over a reality or a nova
That will all depend on what you’re bowling on!
How does the Proton compare then to the pin down Gem? Going between the vids, they actually look a fair bit closer.
and now, looking at these, i'm quickly realizing that, while i need a stronger ball, i don't need *that* much ball. My UC3 is a bit allergic to oil, yeah, but i'm not tour bowler either. Knowing how leagues typically are laid out, I'm leaning into a stronger Assym hybrid like the Nova, or maybe a sym solid or hyprid like the Phaze 2 or 3, and probably a sym pearl of some sort, either Specter or Phaze 4.
Tagging onto what i'm looking into, with the earlier ball it'll likely be the Nova as i am speed dominant. as for a pearl, i might go specter or perhaps even an Assym pearl.
I think a closer comparison would be my pin up reality to pin down gem
@@etherealswordsman3214 I your looking for a asymmetrical pearl Altered Reality is the bomb 💣
Compare the Gem vs. the UC3
They are just soooooooo different!!!
Soo that gem being so strong would be even stronger with the pin up?
This was the pin up Gem
The gem is a proton physx for lower rev bowlers.
I can. See that
Did you have a fresh surface on the Physics? That might be the reason why it seemed to pop less than the last video
Yup! Always a fresh surface!!!!
@@LuisNapoles I also noticed that you have improved your game from far left... I remember you commented a few months back that it wasn't your strong suit... add the right tools as you say all the time, and you're killing it from way left!
WOuld you say the Gem is a half step up from the proton and a full step from the reality?
ehhhhh
Yo bro...no mask...way to go.....I can finally hear you.
If you can hear me now and not before there’s something wrong with ya 😂😂 use your ears to listen not your eyes. I paid good money for those mics I guarantee nothing changed audio wise from before
@Luis Napoles ok bro.. Now, do us all a favor and put the mask back on.
Whats your first out of the bag currently for leagues? 3 ball arsenal?
that video drops tomorrow !
Right off the bat watch your release is slow mo way more wrist when throwing the gem, flatter with proton, first shot with proton was faster as well. At least toss them the same
I'm def trying to LOL Im not a machine
It's been a hot minute since I've updated my gear. I'm currently using a Roto Grip Cell and Cell Pearl. Which of these two would be a better replacement for the Cells in general? Thanks.
Oof! Between these two only prob the gem but really look into the Storm Infinite Physix
@@LuisNapoles Thanks for the advice. I like the way the Gem rolls more at the backend than the Infinite Physix based on what I've seen so far, so I think I'm going to lean toward the Gem.
@@LuisNapoles Landed on the Gem. Been breaking it in this past week. Just got back from my second outing and threw a five bagger. Didn't have my spare ball on me, but a 203 with the Gem is respectable.
Need me a nova gem comparison
Its on the to do list forsure!
So getting back into bowling and was looking at the radical squatch solid or the proton any help would be great on what to choose I’ve noticed they both hook good just seeing what your options on them would be in comparison or that you would choose
I'm pretty sure that both of them are discontinued now =(
The strength of both bowling balls is undeniable. Looks like the only difference would be is which color appeals to you. Like your title says..." No Amount of Oilcan stop these bowling balls".
I think there is more of a difference than just the color but yea both are very strong!
What board are you standing on when you approach the lane
It’s always different
@@LuisNapoles I’m buying the gem next but I don’t know where to stand I have the phaze 4 right now and I stand between 15 and 10 on the right side
Every time I play an asymmetric ball leave a 9 a lot regardless the moves
Maybe you're using them at the wrong times!
Maybe, I’m not very good so I wouldn’t know the difference of when to use what just go by feel and roll
Absolute, proton physix, Gem, exotic gem... Which one would you say is the strongest now?
Absolute would be the weakest there BY A LOT its the proton for me
@@LuisNapoles thank you for the information I do appreciate it.
proton looks more angular and will bail you out if you pitch it into the oil while the gem can easily burn out and leave the corners. you can swing the proton while the gem needs straighter angles. just what my eye sees
Interesting take
Zen vs Reality maybe?
hmmm
pretty sure your proton is nowhere near 2000 grit anymore. it almost looks polished. the alley lighting is quite defined and the table reflection is almost discernible.
It’s definitely at 2000 as I did the surface before filming
Hey man, are you free again! No Mask! About time we get to see you without a face diaper. Gem looking good.
I’ve always been free. Still wear a mask when not filming
i thought you were a motiv guy?
I resigned from motiv last June then in January I signed with 900 Global
Brendan Schaub bowls? Cool.
huh?
Just a little note, it looks like your back swing is a little out of control again. Just in case you weren't already aware (I'm sure you are!)
I'm actually shocked that a company was able to make something comparable to the Proton. But, I guess if it would be any of them, it would be 900 or Roto.
EDIT: AGAIN, if I just listened a little longer... Hahahaha.
LMAO! also yea I am aware! Def working on it! I dont know how it got sooo freaking high lol I am okay with high as long as my timing is good