We should always be striving to improve how we drive. You might not need to heel and toe, but it's bloody rewarding when you get it right, and you'll still stuff it up from time to time even if you've mastered it. People who see driving as getting from point A to point B are some of the worst drivers I've observed. They have no interest in 'improving' or learning new skills. Wanting to learn new skills signals to me that you're a half decent driver or will be given enough time. And, slightly controversial, you're not a 'good' driver if you can't operate a manual transmission or ride a motorbike. Yes, riding a motorbike teaches you how to be a better driver.
I haven’t done a non heel-toe downshift since sometime in 2006. It’s something you can practice on the roads safely, just brake more progressively and dwell on the brake pedal for longer before messing with the other two pedals. When it becomes your unthinking way of going down gears, you can vary the timing of it, and even compensate for shitty cars with throttle latency. It feels uncoordinated to not do it now.
Heel and toeing is an art racing drivers of contemporary racecars won't ever need anymore. Only road car drivers with cars thatbhave H pattern gearboxes.
Flappy paddle is for cart racing adaptation to single seater ease and F1 since 89-90 has not been the same since Bring back manual H pattern boxes, it would save so much money in F1 and sort the DRIVERS from the Xbox style racing we have now Technology in F1 has lost direction and in the event of the combustion engine dying in the next 30 years they need to do something before formula e takes the show away altogether Am I the only one with this point of view?
Some would say move with times. The idea that it would sort drivers from xbox style racing is false. Racing before was always way more boring with cars being regularly lapped. Technology in F1 is relevant. I am sure those who know more than the armchair driver have done their maths.
jagenaught me ode In the 80s aero was king, in the 90s it was sequential gears and aero in the 00s we realised it was getting boring , now it’s hybrid ! The styles of driving have changed to a point that the Xbox style is how it is now ! The tech doesn’t need to change driving styles otherwise we’ll be watching almost automated driving .
MUNNI BLOKE that is a matter of conjecture. In 00s there were automatic gearboxes. There was launch control and traction control. So really I'm lost here. Maybe you don't like hybrids but it's the way of the world. You can't please them all. When McLaren won all but 1 race people in those days thought it was boring. It's just that since the popularity has increased so has expectations and all in reality though people used to be regularly lapped. Enthusiasts bemoan today's vehicles saying that they're all automatic etc. Unfortunately for them like everything else, manufacturers cater for the many. F1 has always innovated. That's just the way it is.
Old comment, but you can do this on public roads and in traffic if you're proficient enough you'll be able to brake more efficiently if you downshift because you're also using the degradation of the engine to help slow you down, which thus saves the brakes, reduces brake distances, etc.
@@PaulLoatman I'm not sure it reduces brake distances. Whatever is retarding the wheel (engine or brakes), the tyre will have the same amount of grip. But my ears are open. As for wear, brakes are cheaper than clutches, and if not done well, you can get excessive clutches and gear box wear, if done well, you can get none. If you track your car it's a great thing to have in your bag. It can be practiced on the public road, but not really relevant to road driving anymore. I find it works best when braking heavily, which isn't ideal for road driving, so if you are practicing on the public road, find somewhere quite as it is a more risky way to drive while learning. Once you have the technique down, you can employ it wherever, but it is really more for fun than necessity on the road.
@@peterthompson9854 I put 80k miles on a car that I drove that way and the clutch was still good when I sold it. I had replaced all brake pads twice in that same period. I don't know how you can't be sure about it reducing brake distances, it's very obvious if you do it even once. Obviously you have to be good at it otherwise it's not going to help, but that's the same for any other aspect of driving.
We should always be striving to improve how we drive. You might not need to heel and toe, but it's bloody rewarding when you get it right, and you'll still stuff it up from time to time even if you've mastered it. People who see driving as getting from point A to point B are some of the worst drivers I've observed. They have no interest in 'improving' or learning new skills. Wanting to learn new skills signals to me that you're a half decent driver or will be given enough time. And, slightly controversial, you're not a 'good' driver if you can't operate a manual transmission or ride a motorbike. Yes, riding a motorbike teaches you how to be a better driver.
I haven’t done a non heel-toe downshift since sometime in 2006. It’s something you can practice on the roads safely, just brake more progressively and dwell on the brake pedal for longer before messing with the other two pedals.
When it becomes your unthinking way of going down gears, you can vary the timing of it, and even compensate for shitty cars with throttle latency.
It feels uncoordinated to not do it now.
Heel and toeing is an art racing drivers of contemporary racecars won't ever need anymore. Only road car drivers with cars thatbhave H pattern gearboxes.
Flappy paddle is for cart racing adaptation to single seater ease and F1 since 89-90 has not been the same since
Bring back manual H pattern boxes, it would save so much money in F1 and sort the DRIVERS from the Xbox style racing we have now
Technology in F1 has lost direction and in the event of the combustion engine dying in the next 30 years they need to do something before formula e takes the show away altogether
Am I the only one with this point of view?
Some would say move with times. The idea that it would sort drivers from xbox style racing is false. Racing before was always way more boring with cars being regularly lapped. Technology in F1 is relevant. I am sure those who know more than the armchair driver have done their maths.
jagenaught me ode
In the 80s aero was king, in the 90s it was sequential gears and aero in the 00s we realised it was getting boring , now it’s hybrid !
The styles of driving have changed to a point that the Xbox style is how it is now !
The tech doesn’t need to change driving styles otherwise we’ll be watching almost automated driving .
MUNNI BLOKE that is a matter of conjecture. In 00s there were automatic gearboxes. There was launch control and traction control. So really I'm lost here. Maybe you don't like hybrids but it's the way of the world. You can't please them all. When McLaren won all but 1 race people in those days thought it was boring. It's just that since the popularity has increased so has expectations and all in reality though people used to be regularly lapped. Enthusiasts bemoan today's vehicles saying that they're all automatic etc. Unfortunately for them like everything else, manufacturers cater for the many. F1 has always innovated. That's just the way it is.
There was was an H pattern gearbox in F1 as recent as 1994 or 1995. It was run by either Pacific or Forti.
I'm sure it was dead last.
How do you get to do lessons with Rob?
I heel-and-doe (double clutching) not because I need to but because I want to.
what is stigs time on this track
Can i try this in traffic?
You can certainly do it on the road, avoid doing it in traffic at first.
Old comment, but you can do this on public roads and in traffic if you're proficient enough you'll be able to brake more efficiently if you downshift because you're also using the degradation of the engine to help slow you down, which thus saves the brakes, reduces brake distances, etc.
@@PaulLoatman I'm not sure it reduces brake distances. Whatever is retarding the wheel (engine or brakes), the tyre will have the same amount of grip. But my ears are open.
As for wear, brakes are cheaper than clutches, and if not done well, you can get excessive clutches and gear box wear, if done well, you can get none.
If you track your car it's a great thing to have in your bag. It can be practiced on the public road, but not really relevant to road driving anymore. I find it works best when braking heavily, which isn't ideal for road driving, so if you are practicing on the public road, find somewhere quite as it is a more risky way to drive while learning. Once you have the technique down, you can employ it wherever, but it is really more for fun than necessity on the road.
@@peterthompson9854 I put 80k miles on a car that I drove that way and the clutch was still good when I sold it. I had replaced all brake pads twice in that same period. I don't know how you can't be sure about it reducing brake distances, it's very obvious if you do it even once.
Obviously you have to be good at it otherwise it's not going to help, but that's the same for any other aspect of driving.
Fucking beautiful.
The term 'Heal and Toe' comes from back when the throttle was in the middle.