PANEL DISCUSSION | Hartbeespoort Dam business owners at loggerheads
Вставка
- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- Tensions flare between black and white business owners in Hartbeespoort Dam in the North West. Black businessmen claim they're being racially profiled while white business owners say their complaints are a result of noise pollution emanating from some establishments and are not racially motivated. Kosmos Village Association's Cherry Grobler and Daan Van Heerden, businessman Hartley Ngoato and Hartbeespoort Community Development's Russell Baloyi join #Newzroom405's Xoli Mngambi to discuss the escalating tensions.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.
Can we please have a list of black-owned businesses in Haarties? We must support our people.
As if you'll support !!🤫🤫🤫🤣🤣
I second this motion!!!!
@@HH1-1-j5p what do you mean?
As black people we must never allow this to happen to our fellow black person,Mr Ngwato we are behind you
It's got nothing to do with his skin color but with the behavior of people at or on the water,bad behavior that violates other people's rights is a violation of their right to a environment that is pleasant and peaceful this is under environmental management act and the constitution
Hartbees is a holiday destination with several party boats floating around. The black guy mentioned having a boat that can load 70 people is considered noisier than a white man that owns a boat that can load 300 people in one trip. What do they expect when people are cruising while hey are getting drunk? .......and have they not paid for their holiday trips?
He is making a noise. He must just comply
@@sonofsoweto yes ,this applies to everyone ,law is law the same for everyone, someone can investigate measure the noise if it's in violation of the law .
@@drea7295so are you trying to say that black people are misbehaving in harties?
We are coming to Hartbeespoort Dam this summer, enjoying our lives and our land. Lets support our people!
Who are your people?
@@drea7295 My people know who they are, don't worry 😂
@@traumaqueeen am I your people?
@@traumaqueeen I'm not worrying just curious 🤔...☺️
@@traumaqueeen I love your name trauma queen 👑..😆
NewzroomAfrika 🙌🙌🙌 slowly but surely you coming my fave channel again 😊
Mr Mngambi, well done Sir on your professional and robust approach in this matter. Truth is out now, now let's see our useless GNU government
Mr. Ngoato has been to hell & back with these people for years!
don't lie!!!
The South African government and its officials seem very incompetent and corrupt. Everything these black South Africans are saying should be throughly investigated and proper rules and procedures must be followed no matter the group. This question about illegal leases and stealing of land is primarily. Yes major investment is coming to Hartbeespoort so these issues need to be resolved.
The ANC would rather protect the Yts.
What are "THIS BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS?
'These black South Africans' ???
What are "'THESE BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS "???????
Xoli you were flowing here. This kind of community court/discussion could be a great series to expose narratives in transforming suburban or small less known areas and widen the discussion.
Everyone articulated their points well and did not act out in a Moja Love fashion
Amazing from the guest and xoli and newzroom Afrika for covering such stories
We have become beggars in our own country.oh black man your on your own.Ramaphosa must go down with his GNU.
He must go because he give white people wings nonsense 😮😮😮😮
WTF has the GNU got to do with this dam story..This Kala are before the GNU was formed
This thing has been happening for the past 30 years atleast now under ramaphosa people are speaking out
The Europeans gave you a developed country wena!🤫🤫🤫
Racism finnish n klaar. On your land and clearly expressed, unashamedly.
Siyabonga #Newsroom405
So Mr. Ngwako is right estates were built on government land now they want to turn it into privately owned land
This are the same people who say for the EFF to nationalize land it will be a disaster but they are benefiting from Government land
The blacks are angry they cant do the same...🤣🤣🤣
Xoli you are weak trying to meditate while pretending to get to the truth, quick question how many business have shut down or have had these concerns are black owned vs white owned please ask truly probing questions
So, Nico is addressed directly the others are addressed via Departments.
This is a story that is common around the country. The law needs to be applied to all and unfortunately there are Karen's and Kevin's that cherry pick the law to suit themselves and their "community". The law is also being corrupted by individuals who feel they have deep pockets to twist it to their benefit with the help of local officials...
Newsroom is winning my HEART these days.
My friend who is journalist was there he told me about the white people there who are racists and the unequal treatment of black business peopl
Where is the investigative journalism? Journalists should visit these venues during peak times to record noise pollution and observe tenant behavior. This would allow the debate to be based on facts rather than speculation. Why aren’t they verifying the leases? Any racism would become evident through proper investigation. Without independent facts, this coverage only promotes sensationalism.
Noise that's nice life problems emagine staying next to a railway line and OR Tambo airport...
What happened to zoning laws??
This is definitely racism and this has been going on for years, pure clear points from Hartley and baloyi
They don't want to hear gqom they want to hear kaptein van die sailor
Both are kaka, when played at unreasonable times, but normally kaptein goed quiet after 10, Kasi goes in through the night, ver inconsiderate even to the wildlife around the dam
This is really embarrassing for Africans...
Yes, because your ancestors never built the dam dam..
Encòre pls . Invite them again Xoli , the time was too limited.
What are the zoning laws around the specific land in this residential area? The Department of Human Settlements or Public works needs to do its work.
I think because of loop holes in the constitution laws, it inconveniences the residents as they step on each other toes.
The same applies to illegal settlements next to Estates or Free Way or Railway. No policies around that... Hence when you look at ut it puthigh risk on the society.
Our Leaders aren't responsible and don't care about it...
Actions need to be taken 😢😢
Kosmo is a party place on weekends. They must not complain about noise. Forget black or white. It is a party place.
The gentleman doing the interview is dong a great job , we need to talk about things without calling racism.there are laws that exist the courts an deal with this .
Your investigative journalism work is weak Xoli. You're pandering.
Respect is what is needed. We are all God's creation. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Then co-existing will work
Kosmo is very loud on weekends. to many bed & breakfast. They should not allow bed and breakfast in area. We were going to buy, but the noise and squatter camp made us change our mind
I am black man i like lound music my neighbors have been complaining for ages 😅😅😅😅😅
@@WillamShauke that's very inconsiderate of you , your lucky they are kind not to report you as there are laws in place for people who cause house pollution in my neighborhood we just reported them ,it's been quite ever since.
Hi Xoli, I just need to meet your suit guy.
I feel sorry for the gentleman wearing a Madiba golf shirt. ANC and the so-called gnu are failing you.
I'm black but the informal settlement there is ugly and scary. I agree with the white lady that we buy houses in upmarket areas because of different reasons. The home owners also want to enjoy tranquility of the dam hence properties are expensive in that areas. However, the law must apply to all
So you happy to buy from a stolen land ? even the poor deserve the life the rich enjoy. if you think informal settlement is bad contribute and make it better. Secondly you don't need to go around saying you are black. this could only mean you are black but the inner you is white.
Yoh this is sad.this tension between races is annoying. We are still far from freedom.Hai hai hai we cannot go on like this.Truly it is racism at its best
@@albemokgabudi8044 do you believe there are different races? I personally believe there is only one race and we are all one blood .
Where are the white businesses that also operate there?
lol why is he not addressing the noise , its valid but not addressed why?
They all agreed that the noise come from everybody not one person.
@@trishmosh and did they not say they suing the other white guy aswell, noise is the problem here, imagine you work your whole life to get a property on an estate near a dam and someone comes in next door with a loud business , now you sanctuary became a club , i would also be upset, its like youll not getting the gravity of the situation, how do you live in peace with noisy neighbours . I CAN TELL YOU THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THIS HAPPENS, SAME THING WITH BEACH FRONT PROPERTIES. Then when properties complain about the noise and because its majority white , its now racist. I can share some examples if you need
24:37 💥 👏🏿
The constitution of south Africa allows every person the right to a clean safe and quite environment,they can bring in somekne to test the noise and investigate it so legal action can be sought out or a remedy can be made instead of trying to fuel a "race" debate.there is onlyone race the human race , we need to all obey the laws of the constitution of South Africa this will lead to respect you cannot get along if there is a problem that is upsetting people due to noise or public drunkenness or even unnecessary violence towards each other slander and gossip won't help us as a nation .
Simple question: Why are you in AFRICA if you're racist towards them? It's honestly insane that we're still dealing with this nonsense in 2024...🙄
Xoli he's bias
Land are Under Spotlight because of Claimants of Land
Karen is an extra large diva
Government is on it
Let us look at the reality of this issue before Racist.
No one would tolerate noise on Daily basis.
Busy Intertainment events in the Hartebees Estates.
Let the Government regulate this ussues properly. They left this issues to get to this stage if conflict.
All the rich people around the dam have taken away our dam favourite fishing spots, replacing it with environmental not so friendly golf estates...Please goverment must enforce access for people outside the dam, through those golf estates,so that us can access the dam shore..Noisy people must stay away from the dam dam..
Xoli is very weak presenter😁
Party boats with people drinking should not be allowed no matter what skin colour its not safe anything can happen if people drinking and if they land in the water it could possibly be fatal . Perhaps bars and pubs should not be at or in the water but in other areas.there are laws around noise pollution you xan report it if it is above a certain nouse level to environmental management inspectorate,there is a particular house im my area that was blasting music every weekend the community had it shut down through reports noise pollution can make people feel crazy most people go to the dam mostly for the quite and family fun the dam should be protected as a natural environment.
Prohibition of noise nuisance
No person shall-
(a) cause a noise nuisance, or allow it to be caused, by operating or playing any radio,
television set, drum, musical instrument, sound amplifier, loudspeaker system or similar
device producing, reproducing or amplifying sound;
(b) offer any article for sale by shouting or ringing a bell, or by allowing shouting or the
ringing of a bell, in a manner which may cause a noise nuisance;
(c) allow an animal owned or controlled by him to cause a noise nuisance;
(d) build, repair, rebuild, modify, operate or test a vehicle, vessel or aircraft on residential
premises, or allow it to be built, repaired, rebuilt, modified, operated or tested, if it may
cause a noise nuisance;
(e) use or discharge any explosive, firearm or similar device which emits impulsive sound, or
allow it to be used or discharged, if it may cause a noise nuisance, except with the prior
consent in writing of the local authority concerned and subject to such conditions as the
local authority may deem necessary;
Xolo a joke
Noise is not good for some people there's people who make noises with music and are still loud in nature with just talking to people very close to them we are all not the same in nature
As blacks we need to start elevating our thinking. It is not about race it is about culture. Unfortunately we are yet to be honest about our kind of lifestyle culture. I moved out of a predominantly black neighbour because of noise and seeked an area that is predominantly white and have peace. We become easily offended becaue it is a hard fact but we need to talk about predominantly black cultures that have been there for years due to psychological trauma of townhsips. Where most blacks are littering, noise, parties, playing your music as if for your neighbours. There issues are deep rooted. We need to start talking about such because some of our lifestyles behaviours are backwards.
You can move to Australia or Poland where you won't be predominantly by blackd
If Africans are putting up with perceived negative lifestyles of other cultures so why should they not also put up with blacks and their lifestyle? It is a give and take for both sides and not only one side. Why do you attribute littering to blacks as if whites do not?
Mxim have u been listening to the guy ? You bringing non issues here
You are clever….👏👏👏
I live in a JHB township with black people. My skin is melanated like my neighbours. These blacks in the township I live in, litter, piss against the boundary wall, throw items into the storm water drains, play their music out loudly, run bottle-stores from their houses, etc. It's unpleasant to live among the black people of these township because of these types of behaviour.
It's sad no other nations can asked to be respected moment everyone talks it's racist story this is the only way they feel they can get away they need to wake up live clean
It's a mickey mouse freedom 1994 as long as you don't have your land
People only listen to the words and completely miss the frequency it comes with...
This is not about race, and it's not about taking land and all that nonsense..... If you can respect a cemetery enough not to build a business on that same land and do as you please then why should a (almost) nature like area be treated any differently? Then people should go and build businesses in the national park and see how that works out. We as south Africans should stop using this apartheid as a crutch or weapon. Just be fair pink or blue does not matter.
This is real rubbish...still aparteit issues and jealousy...government must intervene on this matter...Hartebees is a tourism area, we need challenges in regard of business. Ministers get this going a proper.