Mike is so natural on the camera. Another excellent video! I'm fortunate enough to own a Tesla (3 Long Range) and a y62 Patrol. Certainly could never get below 10 in the y62! 12 at best when new and zero mods.
When I first saw this review come up I thought I’m not watching that. But I thought be reasonable when has Stu let you down, so Sunday morning coffee and inCarnation and of course another enjoyable episode and yes I was impressed by this behemoth, I don’t have a need for this type of vehicle but I now understand why someone would buy one.
A question for Mike is if an ICE car owner was doing the 900km sales trip, would they be allowed to stop for meals? Just today, we did a 700km trip, Brisbane to Gayndah and return, with several hours spent in Gayndah (where there is no charger). Starting full from home, we were stopped for 90 minutes total. The first was 50 minutes in Kingaroy where we had breakfast at a local café and bought something in a local shop. No crap servo food for us. We actually stayed too long as we only needed 30 minutes to get enough charge to do the return run to Gayndah. We stopped in Kingaroy again on the way back and again bought food and had a leg stretch for 40 minutes. It gave us enough to get home with 120km still available. Total cost for "fuel" was $25. Food $32. We were on the road for 13 hours including the three and a half hours stopover to do our "presentation". Add two hours, $4 fuel and another 10 minutes charge time for a 900km round trip. Quite doable. 8 hours on our level 2 home charger and we'd be ready to go again tomorrow.
Another brilliantly diverse video. I also have a Tesla LR and an Ultima GTR with a 6.2L LS3 in it. If you drive the GTR carefully and use the long 6th gear (Porsche G50 gearbox) I can get 30 mpg @ 70mph. It's bonkers that you can achieve the same or better in a truck with that weight. Content is great look forward to seeing Mike as well.
@@inCARnationAustralia yes I got so much stick telling my petrolhead friends I was getting a Tesla but they soon went quiet when we went out for a ride :) I can see both sides of the argument, and as long as people are buying EV's "because they want to" and not believing all the spin about saving the planet, the world will be a better place. Looking forwards to your next video.
@@CrazedCrittic In Australia, even ignoring the climate change arguments, a better reason to go EV is about our national energy security. We import a huge amount of oil to refine. We have very little fuel reserves, and the bulk of the fossil fuel profits go to foreign owned companies, and oil prices are too volatile and subject to world events. But we have no shortage of sunlight. To support our own national interest, we need to move away from fossil fuels. Our own gas we are contracted to sell overseas at bargain basement prices, and we end up buying it back at full retail. Our fuel excise is used to prop up an inefficient industry, more jobs can be created in renewable energy, and kept within our shores.
I gather not. Motors are in the side cushions only and sensors don't look directly behind you. If both your buttocks are being massaged, it probably means two people behind you are about to reverse into each other.
I like what John cadogan said. When it comes to saving money by buying electric your better off get the fuel version of the car you were considering and spend the savings on solar and/or battery for your home where your will make more significant savings and you can still have the convenience of not having to wait at chargers.
There are a quite a few things that I do agree with John about - he does have an engineering background and scientific approach, but this is an argument I only 50% agree with. You'd be better off keeping your old car, maintaining it properly and running it into the ground and spending the savings on your home solar, to get some energy independence from the grid. John does troll for clicks and click-baits and I'm not a fan of him for that. Yes, home solar and battery is great and totally complements EV ownership. But no, spending money on a new ICE car in 2023 is very short-sighted when there's a viable EV alternative for one's particular needs. (For many people EVs still won't be practical - if they can't charge at home, if they only do daily drives longer than 70% of the car's range, if they tow more than 1500kg, etc). What people completely don't get that the whole refueling/recharging metaphor changes with EVs. With any car made before now, you refuel on your journey - at the beginning, middle or end. With EVs, the idea is you plan so you refuel while you're NOT on your journey. On those occasions where you do long trips like the one Mike proposes (900km in one day), all it takes is a little planning. For me, it's worth doing a little planning and leaving a bit earlier if it saves me paying some foreign-owned cartel $150 for my day's fuel. But such trips are rare for most people. They only fret about the two or four weeks a year when they go on holidays, not the other 48 weeks. The infrastructure is not there yet, but the whole "wait at chargers" thing is mainly a result of bad planning. (Both by the car owner and the government for lack of foresight.) For me, it's not just about trying to do your bit to be green. For me it's about our national energy security, and not sending billions of our $$$ to overseas multinationals. In case anyone hasn't noticed, EVs are no longer expensive toys. And in 2023/2024, there will be price parity. Regarding EVs, of course there is the extra performance, driving experience, reduced servicing and simply bang for your buck that EVs provide. But hey, if you need to tow a 4 tonne caravan or 2 tonne race car, there's no viable EV alternative in Aus. Cybertruck? God that's ugly. No thanks.
Thank you for the show. Vehicles are tools and that truck is the equivalent of a finely honed Japanese knife. Cheers from the evil empire that designed and built that beautifully efficient beast. 😀
The question about the round trip to Young is misleading when it comes to home charging. You wouldn’t need to have 3 phase at home - in fact with most of the EVs on sale in Australia a 32A single phase charger is just right. The majority of onboard AC chargers are limited to 10kW, and it’s only a few cars like Tesla Model S that have 17 or up to 22kW. A single phase 32A is 7.4 to 7.6kW and is more than enough to recharge from empty to full overnight. When I first got my S back in 2014 I got the house and garage ready for 3phase but waited to upgrade the street connection. I learned that I didn’t need it, and have never had an issue filling the car. Even when parking the car with under 20km remaining. Also, a trip from Sydney to Young is about 400km so more than a 4 hour drive, going past a range of high power chargers along the way. I’d be stopping for a coffee or a snack at some stage along that trip at a 250+kW charger. It’d probably take no longer than a normal person driving a petrol or diesel. Normal meaning not a person who wears nappies to avoid having to stop to pee . One point though is that the brand of EV that you choose can have a dramatic effect here. Choosing a Tesla means access to a lot more high power chargers because it can use both the supercharger network and the public ones. Any other brand is much more limited. Final comment though, most people wouldn’t drive 400km one way for a short meeting and then return immediately without a break of some sort. Unlike a petrol car, you don’t need to be next to an EV while it charges. So enjoy lunch while topping up.
Yes point taken. Mea culpa. Thanks for clarification. I guess I was just answering Mike's question and pointing out that if only a standard 240V AC power outlet was available, it would longer than one night to fully charge a Long Range Tesla Model 3 from empty.
The problem many houses have, especially older ones, is the lack of suitable cabling to support the 7kw+ charging EVs support. Our house built in 1969 had a single 6mm copper phase into the house so we had to upgrade the line. We went 3 phase in the end to give us plenty of headroom for the future. 2 EVS charging at 11kw no problem. We have about 55kw total capacity now. Of course, the sparky installing the charger will downrate the maximum current to suit the house.
@@Rabs73 if you are building new then 3 phase isn’t a bad idea. Also remember that you can buy chargers that dynamically vary the load between multiple EVs or even the house draw so that you don’t overload things. Most of the time you are charging when the load is low, and only for an hour or two. Smart protection for the house is trivial technology - it’s not like people have everything turned on all of the time. In many cases this will be cheaper than upgrading. One other point though came after numerous conversations with a level 2 sparky (the ones who can do the grid connections) was that there were so many old houses with dangerous wiring that should be fixed. He was happy about EV installs as he’d identified pre existing issues. This is because the old wiring wasn’t upgraded when air conditioners etc had been added already, eg some houses still had the cloth insulation and one or two ceramic fuses. My house was built in 1990 and had an 80A mains fuse. Even with the ducted ac, electric hot water and oven it’s not an issue having 32A for the charger. If I were to install another charger I’d just daisy chain it and program the chargers to not exceed 32A.
@markedwards4879 yes, we had our fuse box and some of the wiring replaced as well and the circuits balance between the 3 phases. It all really needed doing and the difference in cost was about $1200 going to 3 phase Our sparky had his level 2 as well so did the lot.
as someone who drives for mileage and not time Im very interested. I use to get 8.9L out of my 3.6L Wrangler, 6.0 in my Nissan Micra and getting 6.9L in my 2.4L Subaru BRZ
who needs ten gear? everyone who wants mileage lol My 23 Subaru BRZ is a sports car sure, I can drive 60kmh in 6th gear at 1600 rpm using less than 6L/100. So with that once I go faster I use more fuel ex. on the Highway I have no choice but to drive at 2100 rpm or more which pushes me up to 7-8L/100. If I had an extra gear or two Id be goldedn. And it happens a lot where im in 6th and try shifting and go into 5 because I feel like im in a lower gear because the rpms are going higher than I need them to be for my pace
I'm finding myself more and more gruntled watching these videos.
That's a great word Rob. So thanks for the onymous message!
Mike is so natural on the camera. Another excellent video!
I'm fortunate enough to own a Tesla (3 Long Range) and a y62 Patrol. Certainly could never get below 10 in the y62! 12 at best when new and zero mods.
When I first saw this review come up I thought I’m not watching that. But I thought be reasonable when has Stu let you down, so Sunday morning coffee and inCarnation and of course another enjoyable episode and yes I was impressed by this behemoth, I don’t have a need for this type of vehicle but I now understand why someone would buy one.
I’d be really interested to see the round trip figures. Impressive economy for what it is, and the rain wouldn’t help.
The round trip was 9.4 litres/100km.
Great entertainment, and I amazed at the fuel economy of that behemoth. 👏
A question for Mike is if an ICE car owner was doing the 900km sales trip, would they be allowed to stop for meals?
Just today, we did a 700km trip, Brisbane to Gayndah and return, with several hours spent in Gayndah (where there is no charger).
Starting full from home, we were stopped for 90 minutes total.
The first was 50 minutes in Kingaroy where we had breakfast at a local café and bought something in a local shop. No crap servo food for us.
We actually stayed too long as we only needed 30 minutes to get enough charge to do the return run to Gayndah.
We stopped in Kingaroy again on the way back and again bought food and had a leg stretch for 40 minutes. It gave us enough to get home with 120km still available.
Total cost for "fuel" was $25. Food $32. We were on the road for 13 hours including the three and a half hours stopover to do our "presentation".
Add two hours, $4 fuel and another 10 minutes charge time for a 900km round trip.
Quite doable. 8 hours on our level 2 home charger and we'd be ready to go again tomorrow.
Another brilliantly diverse video. I also have a Tesla LR and an Ultima GTR with a 6.2L LS3 in it. If you drive the GTR carefully and use the long 6th gear (Porsche G50 gearbox) I can get 30 mpg @ 70mph. It's bonkers that you can achieve the same or better in a truck with that weight. Content is great look forward to seeing Mike as well.
Wow. What a combination. Tesla and an Ultima. I imagine you have friends on each side who question why you have the other, so to speak.
@@inCARnationAustralia yes I got so much stick telling my petrolhead friends I was getting a Tesla but they soon went quiet when we went out for a ride :) I can see both sides of the argument, and as long as people are buying EV's "because they want to" and not believing all the spin about saving the planet, the world will be a better place. Looking forwards to your next video.
@@CrazedCrittic In Australia, even ignoring the climate change arguments, a better reason to go EV is about our national energy security. We import a huge amount of oil to refine. We have very little fuel reserves, and the bulk of the fossil fuel profits go to foreign owned companies, and oil prices are too volatile and subject to world events. But we have no shortage of sunlight. To support our own national interest, we need to move away from fossil fuels. Our own gas we are contracted to sell overseas at bargain basement prices, and we end up buying it back at full retail. Our fuel excise is used to prop up an inefficient industry, more jobs can be created in renewable energy, and kept within our shores.
When in reverse, if you have a vehicle coming up your rear, does the seat vibrate in the middle? 😮
I gather not. Motors are in the side cushions only and sensors don't look directly behind you. If both your buttocks are being massaged, it probably means two people behind you are about to reverse into each other.
That’s a great cafe at Jugiong, and a very interesting pub too
All worth it for coffee and toasties
I like what John cadogan said. When it comes to saving money by buying electric your better off get the fuel version of the car you were considering and spend the savings on solar and/or battery for your home where your will make more significant savings and you can still have the convenience of not having to wait at chargers.
There are a quite a few things that I do agree with John about - he does have an engineering background and scientific approach, but this is an argument I only 50% agree with. You'd be better off keeping your old car, maintaining it properly and running it into the ground and spending the savings on your home solar, to get some energy independence from the grid. John does troll for clicks and click-baits and I'm not a fan of him for that. Yes, home solar and battery is great and totally complements EV ownership. But no, spending money on a new ICE car in 2023 is very short-sighted when there's a viable EV alternative for one's particular needs. (For many people EVs still won't be practical - if they can't charge at home, if they only do daily drives longer than 70% of the car's range, if they tow more than 1500kg, etc).
What people completely don't get that the whole refueling/recharging metaphor changes with EVs. With any car made before now, you refuel on your journey - at the beginning, middle or end. With EVs, the idea is you plan so you refuel while you're NOT on your journey. On those occasions where you do long trips like the one Mike proposes (900km in one day), all it takes is a little planning. For me, it's worth doing a little planning and leaving a bit earlier if it saves me paying some foreign-owned cartel $150 for my day's fuel. But such trips are rare for most people. They only fret about the two or four weeks a year when they go on holidays, not the other 48 weeks. The infrastructure is not there yet, but the whole "wait at chargers" thing is mainly a result of bad planning. (Both by the car owner and the government for lack of foresight.) For me, it's not just about trying to do your bit to be green. For me it's about our national energy security, and not sending billions of our $$$ to overseas multinationals. In case anyone hasn't noticed, EVs are no longer expensive toys. And in 2023/2024, there will be price parity. Regarding EVs, of course there is the extra performance, driving experience, reduced servicing and simply bang for your buck that EVs provide. But hey, if you need to tow a 4 tonne caravan or 2 tonne race car, there's no viable EV alternative in Aus. Cybertruck? God that's ugly. No thanks.
Thank you for the show. Vehicles are tools and that truck is the equivalent of a finely honed Japanese knife. Cheers from the evil empire that designed and built that beautifully efficient beast. 😀
The question about the round trip to Young is misleading when it comes to home charging. You wouldn’t need to have 3 phase at home - in fact with most of the EVs on sale in Australia a 32A single phase charger is just right.
The majority of onboard AC chargers are limited to 10kW, and it’s only a few cars like Tesla Model S that have 17 or up to 22kW.
A single phase 32A is 7.4 to 7.6kW and is more than enough to recharge from empty to full overnight.
When I first got my S back in 2014 I got the house and garage ready for 3phase but waited to upgrade the street connection. I learned that I didn’t need it, and have never had an issue filling the car. Even when parking the car with under 20km remaining.
Also, a trip from Sydney to Young is about 400km so more than a 4 hour drive, going past a range of high power chargers along the way. I’d be stopping for a coffee or a snack at some stage along that trip at a 250+kW charger. It’d probably take no longer than a normal person driving a petrol or diesel. Normal meaning not a person who wears nappies to avoid having to stop to pee .
One point though is that the brand of EV that you choose can have a dramatic effect here. Choosing a Tesla means access to a lot more high power chargers because it can use both the supercharger network and the public ones. Any other brand is much more limited.
Final comment though, most people wouldn’t drive 400km one way for a short meeting and then return immediately without a break of some sort. Unlike a petrol car, you don’t need to be next to an EV while it charges. So enjoy lunch while topping up.
Yes point taken. Mea culpa. Thanks for clarification. I guess I was just answering Mike's question and pointing out that if only a standard 240V AC power outlet was available, it would longer than one night to fully charge a Long Range Tesla Model 3 from empty.
The problem many houses have, especially older ones, is the lack of suitable cabling to support the 7kw+ charging EVs support. Our house built in 1969 had a single 6mm copper phase into the house so we had to upgrade the line. We went 3 phase in the end to give us plenty of headroom for the future. 2 EVS charging at 11kw no problem. We have about 55kw total capacity now.
Of course, the sparky installing the charger will downrate the maximum current to suit the house.
@@Rabs73 if you are building new then 3 phase isn’t a bad idea.
Also remember that you can buy chargers that dynamically vary the load between multiple EVs or even the house draw so that you don’t overload things.
Most of the time you are charging when the load is low, and only for an hour or two. Smart protection for the house is trivial technology - it’s not like people have everything turned on all of the time.
In many cases this will be cheaper than upgrading.
One other point though came after numerous conversations with a level 2 sparky (the ones who can do the grid connections) was that there were so many old houses with dangerous wiring that should be fixed. He was happy about EV installs as he’d identified pre existing issues. This is because the old wiring wasn’t upgraded when air conditioners etc had been added already, eg some houses still had the cloth insulation and one or two ceramic fuses.
My house was built in 1990 and had an 80A mains fuse. Even with the ducted ac, electric hot water and oven it’s not an issue having 32A for the charger. If I were to install another charger I’d just daisy chain it and program the chargers to not exceed 32A.
@markedwards4879 yes, we had our fuse box and some of the wiring replaced as well and the circuits balance between the 3 phases. It all really needed doing and the difference in cost was about $1200 going to 3 phase
Our sparky had his level 2 as well so did the lot.
as someone who drives for mileage and not time Im very interested. I use to get 8.9L out of my 3.6L Wrangler, 6.0 in my Nissan Micra and getting 6.9L in my 2.4L Subaru BRZ
You didn't👎👎👎 win the bet, it's in the 9s litre, just like drag cars when you're in the the 9s you have a 9 second car 👍👍👍
who needs ten gear? everyone who wants mileage lol My 23 Subaru BRZ is a sports car sure, I can drive 60kmh in 6th gear at 1600 rpm using less than 6L/100. So with that once I go faster I use more fuel ex. on the Highway I have no choice but to drive at 2100 rpm or more which pushes me up to 7-8L/100. If I had an extra gear or two Id be goldedn. And it happens a lot where im in 6th and try shifting and go into 5 because I feel like im in a lower gear because the rpms are going higher than I need them to be for my pace
You didn't👎👎👎 win the bet, it's in the 9s litre, just like drag cars when you're in the the 9s you have a 9 second car 👍👍👍