The Pain Train: Wolfenstein 3D and Doom... in CGA
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- Sure, Wolfenstein 3D and Doom are legendary classics. But what if they came out in the 80s and sounded like abject garbage? Let's find out!
Links:
James Howard's Wolfenstein 3D CGA: github.com/jhhoward/Wolfenste...
FastDoom (incl. PickledDog's CGA driver): github.com/viti95/FastDoom
Footage credits:
Castlevania Pain Train: EpicPotatoFiend
Duke Nukem Pain Train: PickledDog
Space Quest IV Pain Train: James Howard
Dosgamert - "Alley Cat (1984) [MS-DOS]"
• Alley Cat (1984) [MS-DOS]
Dosgamert - "Longplay: Commander Keen 4 - Secret of the Oracle [CGA] (1991) [MS-DOS]"
• Longplay: Commander Ke...
High-Tech Mag@zine - "CGA COMPOSITE MODE"
• LE MODE CGA COMPOSITE
Chapters:
00:00 Preamble: Why 4-color CGA?
03:52 Wolfenstein 3D
09:04 Doom
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The sound effects remind me of Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure.
I remember playing Captain Comic II in a CGA mode occationally. Though that was in the alternate CGA of Black, Green, Red and Yellow.
More like "Black, Green, Red and Yellowish-Brown."
You haven't lived until you play DOOM in a dark room at night with the lights off, no music, and only PC speaker SFX
Then I have lived! Phew!
I had no idea I’d be laughing so hard during these play throughs! Your reactions were priceless. As an old man I miss those games.
Thank you! Lucky for us oldies, people feel the same way, so games like these have been (and will continue to be) preserved for decades.
Growing up I had a 486 Packard bell, with no sound blaster. I did not have a proper pc till my early 20s. For most of the games I grew up with out was pc speakers or nothing. This takes me back.
Growing up, _I_ had a 486 Packard bell, with sound blaster - compatible sound and some "suite" pack in software...
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Also, did yours have a shell program called "Navigator"? Or two others called "Workspace" and "Kidspace"?
The thumbnail of this video is glorious!
As for one that grew up with a PC CGA system this was something to watch! I too played Commander Keen 4 on CGA!
I also had the original Wheel of Fortune that because of the 4 colors, Vanna White was a Red Head!
Ah, yes, I remember that. That one used the alternate brown/yellow CGA palette.
Monuments of Mars used another cga mode that used another mode.
The fun thing is that there were 3 other palettes that one could use that looked a smidge better than the default that didn't require composite CGA...
... that most developers didn't use b/c I don't think they actively thought about it at the time.
Fun fact: As I was recording footage from Mean Streets (one of the few games I know that support CGA, EGA, and VGA), I couldn't get it to show the cyan/magenta palette... until I went to visit Sylvia Linsky, at which point the game itself switched to the glorious cyan/magenta palette!
As someone who really loves the Classic Doom games, this is very impressive on a technical level, just not as playable/accessible
It really is. I am in awe of these guys' technical prowess. Maybe some day they'll use their considerable powers for non-evil purposes!
@@spacequesthistorian I swear people will never end with finding ways to port Doom to the most insane platforms imaginable.
Like no joke someone managed to get Doom running on damn stomach bacteria
@@Kyezoar I love the "but can it run Doom?" meme. Did you see the guy who got it to run on a calculator powered by potatoes?
@@spacequesthistorian Dude that's freaking awesome!
Does that mean by technicality a vegetable can run Doom?
Doom on the pregnancy test was neat too
Don’t you just hate it when you accidentally set off a barrel of Pepto-Bismol?
Can confirm, they hurt... a lot.
I caught and appreciated the Devin Townsend reference @ 😀1:48
Indeeeeeed.
This is honestly not the most painful Doom demake I've seen. Lemme tell you about the time someone tried to put Doom on the ZX Spectrum
I didn't say it was... well, maybe I did. And I admit, there are worse ways of playing Doom than in 4-color CGA with a keyboard. The car dashboard, the pregnancy test, and the potato-powered calculator ones certainly spring to mind. But, honestly, this was just an excuse to play it in that most glorious of glorious color palettes. Take the "most egregious visual disfigurements" line with a grain of salt.
"Stabbim!" reference alone was enough for me to subscribe. o7
The best part about that scene is that Paranoia actually extends his hand to shake Stabbim's claw.
You know, I don't think it's appreciated how much work went into making sure graphics looked good and readable in multiple palettes.
I have just been made aware of a video showing off Wolf 3D on an 8086 on Al's Geek Lab and it's much more readable than what's shown off here proving once again the importance of accurate hardware emulation.
I ran these in DOSBox so that's the closest I could get to real hardware. It's not perfect, sure, but it's close.
@@spacequesthistorian Oh I know. I just have been thinking a lot about media preservation lately and it's really hitting me how important it is to ensure that we accurately represent these games, even through emulation. I'm not saying that you did a bad job by using DOSBox. I like DOSBox and owning old computers are in the realm of hobbyists at this point. I'm saying that the current existing technology we use to emulate these games - as useful as it is - still has a long way to go.
@@aaronmarko Oh, no argument here. Preservation is super-important to me, too. I suppose an alternative to spending loads of money on systems and peripherals that may fail at any time due to their age, a virtual machine might be the way to go? It's still emulation but it would be closer to the original experience. (Side note/disclaimer: I've got devs from both ScummVM and DOSBox hanging out in my Discord so I am, of course, a little biased towards my opinion of these fine people's work.)
@@spacequesthistorian You know, I think generally speaking, running a virtual machine to emulate the old computer interfaces is probably overkill and still might not even actually give an accurate representation of that era of that particular software. In a way, I can see it potentially running into the same problems that DOSBox has with even more headaches to get running.
I could see it being useful for specific applications but I think that generally speaking, DOSBox and ScummVM are more than adequate. Both are fantastic pieces of software. DOSBox in particular has to emulate not just multiple versions of DOS but also to emulate 15 years worth of different hardware. The fact that it can run that range of hardware and software is kind of mindblowing.
That being said, I don't really have a good answer. It's good that these games are being playable but it's really easy to forget that emulation can still get it wrong, no matter how good it might be. So, for whatever it's worth, I guess I just think we need to remember that from time to time.
@@aaronmarko Many truths were spoken in that reply. 😊 FWIW, while I don't have any period-accurate hardware myself, there are some intrepid people on my Discord who do. For instance, one guy, EpicPotatoFiend, has a couple of old Apple computers, and he actually gave me footage of him playing through all of SQ1 and SQ2 on an original Apple IIc. Which is kind of impressive, given that the games run so unbearably slow on that hardware that a game like SQ1, which you can comfortably beat in less than half an hour, takes upwards of 6 hours on an Apple IIc because of the loading times and disk swapping. I still don't know what to do with the footage but maybe there's a "worst versions of SQ1 and SQ2" video in them somewhere.
As for virtual machines, you're right that it might be overkill for DOS games that ScummVM and DOSBox have no problems emulating to a satisfying degree. They do come in handy for games released during what I call "the dark ages of PC gaming," though, which was that period from circa 1995-1999 when Windows 95/98 were king. Games that won't run on modern Windows machines no matter how much you fiddle with compatibility settings.
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I like how CGA Doomguy looks like Klaus Nomi
Nostalgia with...
VGA? Yes.
EGA? Limited.
CGA? Archeological curiosity, at best!
Holy shit, Alley Cat. Legit one of the best PC games of that era. And say what you will about the pink/cyan palette, I always thought the red/brown one was even worse. Also, is it just me, or does it seem like CGA Doom is *almost* creating a cool aesthetic? It reminds me of an old Wii game called MadWorld which had a palette of black, white, and red. And very little else.
Not gonna lie, the sound effects sound awesome. Also, parts of the Doom mod reminds me of Madworld on the Wii.
The sound effects would actually sound great on a kick-ass industrial dance floor banger.
The Doom CGA mod does answer the age old question. It turns out that, it can, in fact, play Doom.
But not very well! 😆
Surely Doom would better match the dark CGA palette 0 black, dark green, dark red, brown, and wolf 3d might look better with pallete 2, black,white, cyan, red, but the pain train isn't about what would look best so I don't know why I bring it up. In the ideal case a game will change paleete per level. Dithering in Doom would have helped a lot so less black voids. Doom's PC Speaker SFX sound a lot like the early keen games. I wonder if they just reused various sfx from earlier games.
0:09 Hah, I suggested you used the scare chord of the SAT test for The Paint Train in the comments of the VoD.
Oh, you did? I'm sorry, that slipped my mind. A belated and retroactive thank you for the suggestion!
great video!
Thanks!
CGA is still kinda relevant, as its basically the main colors of synthwave :p
DOOM CGA would still have been #1 in nineteen eighty something. ^^
Here's a great idea;
Instead of giving people the option to get to the point and skip ahead 5 minutes, save everyone the trouble and get to the point right from the beginning!
Yes, spending 5 extra seconds of your life clicking on a horizontal red line is a lot to ask in this day and age. I apologize for the trauma I've caused you.
Is there a Sierra game called "Quest Quest"?
CGA on RGB had nad colors for games. But OK colors for business charts. Text was far more colorful.
...in the beginning of the video.
How about this same video, only the gameplay shows the same games in 16 color cga composite mode?...
But then I'd miss the warm, comforting nostalgic feeling of having my eyes seared by cyan and magenta! 😁
Also, Wolf3D doesn't run in 16 color EGA. The Cutting Room Floor shows that id were in the process of making an EGA version of the game but abandoned it. And, AFAIK, no one has built an EGA hack for it. tcrf.net/Wolfenstein_3D_(DOS)
😏 ouch, that looks painful to play
It is actually surprisingly playable, but especially the Wolf3D mod makes your eyes go a bit wobbly after a while. The reason why I keep dying is because I am honestly just terrible at these games (AND I was playing with keyboard only, because... you know... that's how god intended it, right?).
😊thats ok, im a casualer too, i believe every video game should have a God Mode in the difficulty menu, I just want to playthrough and experience the game like a movie@@spacequesthistorian
@@spacequesthistorian Next time you should use the God Mode code or at least a handy All Weapons/Infinite Ammo cheat. You know, just to give you at least *some* semblance of a fighting chance! 😆
7:42 "Officer Hitler" *salutes*
"Officer Hitler."
TBF to the CGA pallet, of you plugged it into a TV over composite, Todd get 16 colors due to how NTSC artifacts work, similar to the color on the Apple II.
EDIT: I really have a problem of not waiting till the video is over to comment so I'll shut up.
I see I should have put that remark about composite CGA further up in the script. 😆
Your voice sounds like it was generated with AI...
I had to use Adobe Podcast to clean up the audio. I tried out a new mic and didn't want to re-record the VO.
This looks awful and hilarious 😂
At only halfway through Doom, I had this strong feeling that this is physically bad for my eyes... 🫣
Ngl, my eyes went a bit wobbly after playing.
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