Not her calling Jimin, Samuel Jackson... ✋🏾 My sister was right, Knowing Mina personally must be the biggest misfortune. AOA had a problem with her Her sister has a problem with her Their staff had a problem with her Those who have worked with AOA have a problem with her In conclusion she was the problem here...
I just want to point this out. People are more interested in the bullying scandal then the fact that Mina lied, gaslighted and threatened Jimin. I feel so bad for her, the poor girl has been gaslighted, bullied, insulted for over a year and people don’t have the guts to bring up the new information and say that we were wrong
Mina is vIcTiM.... She just got carried away bcoz of trauma.....she wanted proper apology.(public)..which jimin never did......mina was suffering so much....but jimin acted like she remembers nothing .i am also one who got in such situation.... You who are living peaceful life cat understand TRAUMA....you can't understand anger when the person who made you suffer says "I dont remember anything....ohh i didn't thought i was hurting you"" It's disgusting how PPL made poor mina as manipulator Jimin is real bu///y
@@jyshree1652 it's better for you to read the whole pann forum yourself, bcs even jimin is the one who made mina traumatised, mina also proved herself that she's manipulative and psycho. if you follow up her current state, she had been manipulative towards her boyfriend and play victim to the public when everything was exposed to the public. same goes to this case, she can settle it between the group and jimin. jimin apologised many times and even did it on social medias but how mina manipulated the public making the whole cases even dramatic so that people believes her rather than listen to both sides of stories
@@jyshree1652 Because Jimin is a real bully don’t mean Mina is not a manipulator. Once you learn more about the world been more experience you can tell Mina statement is very smart and clever. She is not doing things out of ignorance she know and manipulate her statements and things knowing what it will trigger. Jimin may be a bully but Mina is not the innocent red riding poor hood too. And FYI for fans that think it is helping her by keep shunning Mina own mistakes and excuses for Mina you are pushing Mina further down the hole. And that is disgusting too. Mina need her space, her own trusted people to receive the therapy and healing to help herself. Her further continued actions on social media will only worsen her reputation and image in the public, only serving the public’s gossip and remaining “fans” good feeling. It will not help her.
@@nisa640 hello how can you understand if you've not gone through situation Jimin Apologied.....on chats...also she said " i am sry,but i dont remember anything...i never thought i was hurting you"" Honestly it's like jimin was not truly apologitic.....it's so horrible taht PPL support jimin
@@ruthlim8184 first thing....i am NOT mina stan...nor aoa stan...i am just a person who has suffered just like mina I agree mina tried manipulation and bf things etc But it doesn't change fact that she's victim....PPL are acting like that bu....lll...y thing is made up It's not
Damn. Jimin's apologies doesn't sound like someone covering their ass, it sounds like a friend freaking out over thinking they did something horrible. It's to the point that she's not being rational and Choa and the others had to be the voice of reason.
What I gathered from the text messages is that she was hypersensitive and jimin was super strict .it was a clash of different personalities but later after all the sudden suicide cases in kpop she found the perfect opportunity to play the victim and get online support .
Yes, it seems that the other member just gave up on telling Mina anything because she wouldn’t listen but Jimin didn’t. And, Mina took Jimins criticism as bullying because of how sensitive she is. I mean even the staff was scared to say the wrong thing around her.
ahh yes all her wrist slashes are all playing victim 🙄 oh wait I heard yhat before! From people who pushed Sulli and Hara to suicide! Being called attention seeker, liar, promiscuous all too familiar huh
I'm probably wrong, but it looks like FNC and AOA couldn't come out with their side of their story because of Mina's suicide threats and the chaos that would ensue. But clearly they had all of these evidences with them just in case. Then after Mina's other scandals started coming out one by one and the public perception of Mina slowly started shifting, all the evidences were handed to Dispatch. Dispatch can leak all of this out as a third party, and FNC and AOA would be free of blame in case Mina tries to harm herself. I hope Mina gets the help she needs, and I hope this is her wake up call.
This sounds exactly right, with her extreme suicide tendencies at that time- it was best to not say anything to make sure AOA or FNC couldnt be blamed for Mina harming herself
yes! fnc stated that they discouraged aoa from releasing statements way back in 2020, but everyone was demanding it! if anyone said anything, mina would pull something and they’d be blamed
I'm glad someone record the conversation from that day. He/she deserve a reward for exposing what's really happened back then (maybe its their manager or one of the member)
sounds correct, i thought it was weird how dispatch had the recording. But most likely AOA already prepared to record everything before they went to mediate with Mina
Mina’s past abuse only explains her depression. It will NEVER justify how she ruined the lives of her groupmates, especially Jimin. Mina doesn’t deserve pity. She knows what she was doing. I hope she gets help but I also hope she’ll pay for what she did in a legal way. Her problem isn’t everyone’s problem.
@@Frooooooo I think so too. What she says about her dad is different from what she was saying before. No one will be excited to see the person who abused them.
@@Me_di I watched her videos before and she talks about how much she loves her dad. Maybe he did hurt them at some point, but with the amount of truths she exaggerated, it wouldn’t be surprising to see that she exaggerated that as well. Mina is a compulsive liar.
Exactly OG Kpop fans remembered what happened with TARA back in the day I immediately side eyed the situation ever since she came out with it now she’s effectively ruined all her group mates careers TARA never bounced back from this situation but I hope AOA does
When Mina came out with her bullying allegation a year ago with no proofs, I’ve seen a lot of people fully supporting her and insults Jimin on Instagram. And now that Dispatch revealed these informations that shows how problematic Mina was, they pulled the "I’m staying neutral card now" instead of siding with Jimin like really? You can’t do that when Mina first announce being allegedly bullied by Jimin?
LOL after cases like Woojin’s and to be honest the absolute mess of Dramagedon (james charles, shane dawson, jeffrey star) too, I think people are only just now really opening their eyes to the clownery in bandwagoning and I think are trying to not take sides so quickly anymore. Honestly I’m no different. Every scandal has really taught me a lesson and opened my eyes more and more and made me realize my subconscious habit of jumping to a side too. People are easily impressionable by popular opinion, but I think internet culture is definitely shifting to place emphasis on maintaining neutrality when scandals break out and stuff nowadays.
Not going to lie I'm guilty of siding with mina assuming jimin was like that. So I'm sorry for jumping the gun. I learned that don't take any sides till all sides come out.
I initially thought Choa would be a good leader when I read the transcript. But your reasoning is right...Jimin was the leader so she didn't have the option give up on Mina. She was trying to be a good leader and it just backfired because of Mina. This whole situation is a mess and I honestly feel horrible for Jimin.
I thought so too at first but then I realised that a older member and a leader are different. the older member is usually supposed to calm the team down and care for them like a older sister while the leader holds everyone together and makes sure everyone does their job. imo you can see that dynamic in kpop groups where the oldest member isn't the leader automatically wow my last sentence didn't make sense It is almost 12 am don't mind me 😭✋🏻
@@sunmiswashingmachine2753 I think if the oldest member of the group is not the leader, in some cases, they ideally help support the leader in certain areas. I don’t know how to explain it further because it varies case by case.
@@reveluvharu0506 Elder members usually are the ones to back up the leader when the younger ones or just other members in general aren’t listening, since the hyung or unnie of the group is able to speak to everyone in a certain way due to their older age Edit: but it does differ depending on the group’s dynamic
I actually feel for Seolhyun the worst in this situation. She was too booked and busy during the heights of their career, she probably couldn’t look out for any of the girls let alone herself. They even acknowledge that Seolhyun was having the hardest time during that time, yet Mina still dragged her into this mess. That’s so unfair, and I feel terrible for the girls.
And then she goes and says "Seolhyun didn't do anything wrong I just felt bad she didn't notice what I was going through" 🙄 like sis a lot of people don't notice things others go through..
I mean Jimin’s reaction makes sense. If someone that you have responsibility over as a leader said that they were self harming because of you...wouldn’t you be horrified? Wouldn’t you want to do ANYTHING make it better? Trying to explain logically to an obviously mentally unwell person wouldn’t do much. So Jimin stuck with trying to pacify Mina. I would also panic and apologise in that situation tbh. Even if I knew that I didn’t do anything.
Right? Jimin is very wise decision as a leader and as a human. But now I little bit relieve atleast people know a glimpse of truth and all the hate towards her will end eventually, I can't imagine how Jimin felt these time, I mean, look, she is just doing her job as a leader of 9 y.o girl group from a small company.
wow you're sick in the head of you think verbally abusing someone and pushing and punching people makes you a great leader. I hope you never have kids, get help
It doesn't even seem like the AOA members remember anything since no one said, "Yes Jimin, you did hurt bully Mina" instead they just told her to say sorry so this can all be over. Sorry, but that makes me believe Mina's story even less than I do now.
They thought if Jimin apologized to Mina, everything will be done for, all the mess would be sorted.. Jimin apologized thinking it would give Mina the sense of peace she wanted, even if girly had no idea why and what she was saying sorry for....... Only if they knew the mess gonna stretch like a bubble gum..
AOA members have 6 minus mina... So 6 heads cannot remember anything wht happen to this single person? So. It was likely.. Everything mina said doesnt happened and just exaggerated it
I feel bad for jimin like she is literally saying sorry so much and she is getting bullied by people and her being the leader she felt so bad that she failed her job and hurt mina
It’s heartbreaking, and honestly with the way Mina is. Jimin did the best she could with the knowledge she had about Mina at the time. Did she make some mistakes in how she handled certain things, yeah. Then again she’s only human and young. Only professionals could have handled Mina correctly and maybe avoid everything that happened with AOA.
It's also disgusting how ppl had discredited her as the leader, Choa is an amazing person but she also gave up on Mina, while Jimin didn't have the option. Jimin wanted Mina to improve but Mina always thought that she was being threatened
this perfectly shows how much the cancel culture, cyber-lynching without trial and investigation is an inadequate thing. people have completely lost the ability to be critical and objective, they immediately need to take someone's side without understanding anything. i’m so sorry.
I can't spot a single lie there 😦 Our society now is literally manuring a "cancel culture" . In the future, if this keeps up, no one will ever be brave enough to show their real self in front of the camera for fear of being cancelled. So yeah, we will see nothing but pure script entertainment 🎭
The fact that yall are calling this cyber lynching is disrespectful to actual lynching victims. Black people and children were raped, tortured, and hung only for yall to compare it too THIS? weirdos
This actually feels like a massive relief in a way but I also feel scared that she’s now gonna turn around to hurt herself - I feel so terrible for Jimin. Yet this isn’t the main topic. It hasn’t even been reported on. Wtaf
Everybody is so focused on mina's mental health what about jimin who had to suffer online bullying and vetrol and being shamed from an industry where she spent a decade building her career and image for doing her job as a leader. Even if she was strict and insensitive she doesn't deserve it
I read the transcript of Jimin apologizing when they met uo together. Mina sounded like she was gaslighting Jimin for stuff she didn't remember doing. Saying things like, the person who hit someone won't remember the strike. But it seemed like Jimin remembers pushing her back while Mina remembered that as a punch/hit.
@@raincandy3 and the thing is, AOA couldn’t even attest to Mina’s allegations either. They only pushed Jimin to apologise because Mina was literally going mental.
@@rebeccagabrielle2430 exactly like I think the only reason jimin didn't defend herself is because she was afraid of what mina might do (like commit suicide or pretend to atleast)
Oh god I feel terrible for Jimin. She was between a rock and a hard place. She couldn’t deny the allegations because Mina is an irrational person and her fans are just as bad. And she couldn’t just accept because she knew she didn’t do anything. I’m still trying to figure out why Mina flipped like that after Jimin poured her heart out. It’s evil. Even with her breaking down and saying sorry repeatedly, Mina wasn’t happy. My question is wtf does this woman want?
Jimin was not walking on eggshell's with her and acted like a responsible leader who probably did the job of the scared manager in front of poor princess Mina. In order to gain back that disrespect that Jimin made her feel, she wants everyone in the world to know that she is the most special and lovable. And that Jimin is wrong and has repented and understood that innocent princess Mina deserved to be loved and cared for during those times. 🤮 She's just so childish. Back with her father's abuse and trainee/idol days. There are times when we want to go back in time and correct the wrongs people did to us, that made us turn out like we are today. I FULLY understand that part. However, it's really insensitive to make everyone cater to our needs. We need time when we're healing, that's understandable. We want a lot of rest too. But other people are carrying other burdens and we can't just ALWAYS expect them to baby us. This is work we are talking about. Money and livelihood. At some point, I think we've gone through guilt and shame that made us try hard to TRY and change ourselves for the better, as gratitude for their understanding and support. IDK what she was thinking when she wanted to be an idol but it's just another line of work, like in the service industry. You smile, be polite, and cater to the wants of your "customers", they do not cater to you. It's just that the fans get to appreciate the idols and thus shower their love and support. If she was jealous that Jimin and Seolhyun (as well as how AOA after she left became famous ) had a lot of support, this just shows how much they tried to connect and make their fans happy and satisfied. They put in effort, instead of being self centered.
Idk if it's true or not, but recently Mina exposed the other four victims of Jimin and one of them already passed away. Idk what to believe at this point.
TBH we're getting to the point where if Mina wasn't threathening Jimin with suicide all the time, Jimin or even FNC / AOA could just sue her for defamation.
Not the only time actually. They actually helped two members of TRCNG gathered all the evidences proving that they were constanly abused by TS Ent.'s staffs. I would actually be invested in them more if they use more of their times helping idols..
@@korikewl0151 she is a youtuber who always play the victim. Almost everyone she encounter have problems with her but she still think they are the problem not her. She is over-dramatic , she keeps on using sucide for attention, she gaslight others, she manipulate her fans to send hate to others,etc.
19:15 the samuel jackson thing was a nickname that jimin haters used to insult her appearance saying she looks like him, she stated multiple times that that nickname hurted her. I can't believe mina called her the same nickname that actual bullies used to hurt her.
The part where you talk about how everyone is caring only about Mina’s mental health and not Jimin’s is so true, like ppl keep talking about how Mina should get help , which she definitely needs, but no one seems to think about the damage that this whole situation is having on Jimin. Imagine being harassed and forced to apologize for something you haven’t done, and no one wanting to hear about your side of the story, because the other person is mentally unstable and threatens you with killing herself….
nobody is perfect is different and being mannerless is different... Wrong need to say wrong, right need to say right.. And jimin sorry to say isnt that innocent how she is looking now.. She has done many things too.. Just because mina got exposed, doesnt mean jimin didn't do anything.. No person who didn't do anything will say sorry or go back.. U ppl like jessi saying she can get ppl who have some messed up... Where r they now?
About situation of jimin... She isn't that innocent too.. And if some person do wrong things.. Ofc when it backfires, it will surely get in depression..
Jimin verbally and physically abused Mina for years she even admits pushing her on the transcrip, like are you stupid? can't you read? Abusers don't deserve any sympathy, she got what she deserved, Mina became a bully because of her actions, they're both sick just like idiots like you defending a loser that lost her career because she couldn't do her job as a leader properly
As someone who likes Choa... I agree. She seems to be the type of person who's really warm and caring towards people in general, very gentle and relaxed. Now that usually are good qualities when things go smoothly in the group and when there are enough skilled people around to complement those who are less skilled (aka You-Know-Who-She-Is). However, because of her gentleness she would have trouble pushing people to work, which is why she couldn't get YKWSI to do anything and gave up on her. When she left for her own reasons, AOA was essentially without a main vocal and also sinking a bit in popularity. At this point, relaxing is really the last thing they can do since they don't have enough skilled people to complement those who are less skilled. Everyone has to make up for their skills in a way, and fast. Which is where Jimin comes in. She's the type that is strict and keeps pushing people to improve, while she herself also works her ass off. Those are the qualities that allow AOA to come back fast. Unfortunately, YKWSI couldn't take it and decided to bite Jimin in the ass... In short, Choa might be a caring person but her being too gentle makes her unsuitable to be a leader. I also apologise if how I described them made them sound like Choa is the only one with talent, which is definitely not true. It's just that I couldn't find good enough words to describe it. As for my description of YKWSI, I don't regret it.
Very true. To be an effective leader, you will sometimes need to play "bad cop" to get people to do stuff. Mina just sounds like a "overly sensitive person" who couldn't deal with Jimin literally criticizing her every waking moment for not carrying her weight. But was Jimin criticizing her in an effective manner? Probably not, hence why "overly sensitive" Mina says she was bullied. That's my final take on this entire mess that Mina has come to milk the crap out of.
The way you said "you know who she is" sounds like "he who must not be named" 😭😂 that was really good tho.. And I completely agree on what you said. A leader has to be strict. An every leader is strict but in a different way, and if the leader pushes the team to work harder to be be better at their craft is nothing wrong. Coz at the end of the day if anything goes wrong the leader is responsible for the failure of the group, the leader is responsible for everything. I've always thought Mina took Jimin's criticism and strictness as bullying but after knowing she's been in stress, going under some medication since she was like 14 I'm 100% sure she took it that way.
I think we got an insight of what Mina’s behaviour was like during her time in AOA from the way Choa spoke about her. Mina was clearly a very difficult, entitled and sensitive person to work with and this can literally be backed up by the way she treats the managers like her personal servants. Sorry but why are they getting appointments for your mum at like fucking 3-4am 💀 Also can we talk about how Mina said that “all eyes and ears in the room were the same” when none of the other members literally sided with jimin or Mina 💀 Sorry but she knew what she was doing when she said that. Seeing Mina’s behaviour from the texts and also from the stuff she’s done over the past year, what that actor from AOA’s heart attack MV said about Mina back in like 2016/2017 kinda seems true. He said the other members, especially Seolhyun and Chanmi, were nice while Mina didn’t greet anyone and was rude. :/ Did anyone else also notice the way her demeanour changed when she was writing her most recent Instagram post about how she will reveal everything without any lies or shocking/bad words+ talk to dispatch? In most of her other posts, she always sounds so arrogant but this time, she doesn’t. Why? Because she knows that she’s screwed since there is actually EVIDENCE AGAINST HER. She used to be arrogant in her posts because she knows that no one will come forward with their side of the story due to her weaponising he s3lf harm and su1c1de, which enables her to play the victim card to the max. Sorry but having mental illness doesn’t excuse you from being a fucking manipulative person.
Sorry but I will never forgive the kpop stans that justified body-shaming, slut-shaming and making fun of jimin’s voice just for a fucking hit tweet on Twitter. Those idiots are a bunch of cyber bullies and I bet those same ones are saying: “I knew Mina was fishy” like NO YOU DIDN’T.
Preach! I absolutely detest people who uses mental illness to excuse their shitty behaviors. Used to have a friend who used their mental illness to manipulate me for the entire time we were "friends." When I finally cut them out of my life, I never felt so relieved before in my entire life.
100%, if Mina was as difficult to deal with for 9 years, the other members deserve a freaking award. She sounds so complicated to talk with and to reason with. The thing that stayed in my head after reading the messages is Jimin saying how much she wanted the team to succeed and how she did everything for the group's success. If Mina was skipping practice, not taking vocal lessons, and being difficult, as the leader, Jimin would have been the one called by the CEO and criticised. Mina just sounds arrogant and entitled, she can't do anything wrong and if somebody does not go her way, she founds a way to blame somebody else. Her boyfriends, her members. She basically accused Jimin of killing somebody after her being seen smoking in a non-smoking hotel room. She is DANGEROUS. Especially as she said that few days / weeks after mentioning being super close to Sulli... the insinuation is wild.
@@btsniki113 please preach! Thank you. When everything started to point out wrong or fishy in Mina's stories, Mina's fans started to call Jimin ugly, skinny and so many things, as if that's a valid point to prove Mina's accusation smh. And when she herself exposed Jimin's private life, slut shamed her I thought Like Mina like fans, the owner of the circus and the clowns are literally same. And then I lost whatever respect I had for Mina, like okay will wish nothing but best for her but never gonna respect her again.
@@btsniki113 I always get annoyed whenever people say her rapping voice is annoying and not pleasant to hear, but when I check the male ver. of AOA songs some people like her parts a lot because it sounds cool. How funny people are... And there was time when people mentioned her name a long with Hyuna like she is a Hyuna wanna be and mocking at her voice when, at least to me, their voices are just similar. Fine, it's personal preference but kinda unfair and clearly people just throwing hate at her.
Unfortunately, I have a "friend" / co-worker like Mina. She drains me mentally and plays victim. I stay quiet because I dislike drama but this just leads her to believe that she's right. Ugh, it's exhausting.
People like them are really annoying. I hope you can avoid her and keep your sanity. I guess its for your good that you let co-workers know about her behaviour.
@@erin6967 she probably lives far away from social media right now and hopefully enjoys her life. i would probably get crazy if i would read minas shit about me everyday without a chance to redeem myself or tell my side of the story
I think they arent allowed to talk, jimin doesn't have a choice but to stay silent, because mina is suicidal, what if mina killed herself after they release a statement? That's why it's a good move that dispatch released the convo,
@@sanneysanne4186 yes i know but i cant even imagine how strong of a person you must be to let yourself get publicly trampled for over a year just to save the life of the person that destroys your life
I have a feeling she will go berserk after this. This is her biggest downfall ever since the whole issue started. If she doesn't get proper help soon, who knows what other scary things she might do.
Korean here. Since some of you are still delusional and believe Mina’s lies, let me write what has been revealed 1. MINA BULLIED THE STAFF AND MANAGERS constantly demanding things during their time off and talking to them rudely and getting angry at them 2. Minas text with jimin show that they were actually really close and jimin was sweet to mina. Even months before Mina’s “exposing” jimin, jimin and mina hugged, jimin said I love you, mina said sorry and thank you, and they would call each other. 3. The members tried to mediate the situation and hyejeong even told mina to apologize to jimin too but mina blamed everything on jimin. 4. Choa said she gave up on mina cuz she doesn’t listen to anyone and that jimin had to step up. Mina would miss practices, mistreat fans, and abuse staff. Someone had to step up and it was jimin who scolded her as the leader - THIS ISNT BULLYING. The big fight they had was cuz mina ruined their comeback & it was canceled due to her missing all the practices and that’s when they were aggressive with each other + Hyejeong said she is going to go crazy cuz of mina driving her crazy. 5. Mina sent jimin nasty messages attacking jimin’s mom and also insulting her appearances 6. Jimin apologized cuz choa told her she should as the leader and unni and also to end the drama and calm mina down. Mina exposed and caused the whole drama months after her and jimin reconciled for their big fight just because she was feeling depressed due to not having a job and aoa becoming popular with queendom. She admitted this.
It’s hilarious to see how Mina’s narrative tends to paint everyone as these almost unbelievably mean and cruel people but yet the transcript actually shows the complete opposite…and yet people still make excuses for her because a victim is never wrong and their actions are always justified because they are just that a “victim” Usually if the one who’s closest to you in a group says you’re in the wrong while everyone just wants to force an apology to get it over with…it tends to mean something.
I'm tired of people thinking she's such an innocent person. Like it's okay if you wanna take her side, if you believe she was bullied by Jimin that's fine, but it's also okay to say that she is infact a skilled manipulator, gaslights a lot, a pathological liar and now somehow has become a bully too.. Just because she suffers from mental health issue doesn't mean she can't be a bad person..
@@emotionaldamage9894 I do still believe she was bullied, but no way am I gonna sit here and say she’s all innocent. The last year or so she’s been so manipulative and gaslighted so much.. not to mention how she will not for the life of her do what’s best and stay off of social media? She talks ab how she’s “hurting” yet doing it to herself like huh-
@@latinasawntop Yes they are not contradicting. One can be a victim and a bully/manipulator. More often most bully are likely victims of bullies or other abuse. Which is Why I hate the cancel culture on bullies without much depth on talking how to end the bullying culture.
@@mischiefmaker3140 And I stayed neutral from the begining.. When this news broke out we were getting only one sided story and I wanted Jimin's side story too! So I never took side, never blamed anyone..
From how I see it, Mina was looking for an older sister in Jimin who would pamper her and spoil her but what she got was a leader who would keep her in check. after everything that happened between them... new fear unlocked for Kpop idol group leaders. what a disaster. I never really thought about it that way because we mostly see Kpop groups who are very close with each other but imagine being the leader of a very sensitive member who you can't approach because they will take it the wrong way.
More like mina is a narcissistic b*tch that wants to be treated gently no matter what she does, some handsome and pretty people have this superior complex too so when jimin was doing her job, mina couldn't have it because in her mind she does no wrong and she's superior, pathetic i know many people like that
it really sucks that we live in a time where actual victims are silenced often while at the same time playing victim is by far the best way to oppress your surrounding
@@axisboise Apart from the behaviour of the fans this is completely different; Hwayoung did not play the victim and never claimed to have been bullied. Read my history of the scandal on my Discussion page or reach for The True Story of the T-ara Bullying Scandal.
The saddest part is, if Mina actually took constructive criticism properly and listened to Jimin, she could have honestly been a really good Idol. Her Rapping was her strong point to me and she easily could have earned a permanent spot in the Rap line with Jimin & Chanmi. Her laziness and Diva attitude destroyed her career and talents.
Basically, even the tiniest criticism towards Mina = bullying and attempted murder. Even Choa the eldest couldn't say a word to Mina because of how sensitive she was (maybe Mina was the sole reason why Choa refused to be the leader in the first place). This just goes to show how different Mina is from everyone else. Seolhyun took criticism and improved herself with it. Mina on the other hand developed a narcissistic victim complex that destroyed the group.
@@danimetal4171 Seolhyun received a lot of criticism from netizens back in the days when they debuted, from her weight (which I honestly didn't see any problem with but apparently it's not within Korean's beauty standard), to her acting in Orange Marmalade, her vocal, and her dances she took it all in and reflected herself and actually made an effort to became better. Her role in "My Country" and her stage in Queendom were all proofs that she made effort and there's improvement. Some even said they didn't know Seolhyun could sing that good. It took years for her to be acknowledged by people after all those harsh criticism. I feel really sorry for her career being ruined bcs of someone's problem.
I don't blame her for being sensitive but she should be using her sensitivity to ruin her ex bandmates' lives. Her problems are not their problems yet she blames them, especially Jimin
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can YOUR imagination is not replacement for facts. Here's the truth. Search "did former aoa member jimin not apologise" on Dispatch. I wanted to post the link but UA-cam doesn't allow it. Sigh... See it for yourself.
I 100% agree with your assessment of Choa. I was so surprised to see everyone calling Choa mature when she was really just trying to sweep the issue under the rug because Mina is difficult. While I DO understand her position, she wasn't some amazing mediator because she let Jimin bear the brunt of it and just go along with Mina and her madness.
Correct. In my personal thoughts she done a right thing earlier since there is no person wants to deal with Mina's insanity. But leaving Jimin bearing all of the problems, sounds like she's running away from the problem.
Choa was getting frustrated by Mina so she made Jimin apologize only to make things work, it's like c'mon apologize for Mina's sake, so this all could be done, and everything will be normal again.. I don't think Choa meant it in a wrong way but her approach was definitely wrong. Jimin said sorry even if she didn't know what she's apologizing for only for Mina's so that Mina won't do something stupid. And Mina's saying "you don't remember" without mentioning what are the exact incidents of bullying implies she didn't have anything to say..
when someone self proclaim to victim and dont accept apologise ? this BS also dont blame ChoA she problably just want to end this fast back everything to normal.
@@RK-xw2kf Totally, lmao like she was sitting there seeing how Mina gaslighted Jimin and said: just apologize to her. Like, for what? To feed into her delusions?
I think ChoA just wanted to end the discussion. She knew that no matter what Jimin would say Mina wouldn’t listen, and saying those things weren’t helping either, I feel like she was just “okay, okay, we had enough.”
I think so too. She has opened up to the public about her mental health problems and this situation must have flared them up. She probably also knows Mina is sensitive and that reason can’t be used. I feel for her; she obviously loves her former members, but she also has to look out for her own health.
Honestly Mina should be blacklisted from the industry and she shouldn’t get a job anywhere cause she hurt a lot of people. I’m sick of her …can’t believe I supported her when she came out but now nope!
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can where is the proof ?? Ask your klown mina to provide that she said she has…until then she’s a liar…and by liar I meant klown mina is a liar and attention seeker and a narcissist…keep babying mina till everyone loses their life because of her
thank you!! everyone is praising choa's attitude and im just confused. she left the group because she couldnt be bothered to deal with it and even admitted she ignored mina's strange attitude because she wouldnt listen to her. all the responsability fell on jimin
@@golbinnom That's not true. Choa was dealing with depression at the time. She made a conscious choice to work on her mental health in solitude and only came back when she was finally feeling better. She did not leave the group because she couldn't be 'bothered', she left the group because she was dealing with a serious mental health issue.
Clearly, saying: oh you don't remember, but you did it, is gaslighting. If Jimin GENUINELY does not remember any of the episode, I doubt she has Alzheimer. Even the others members are not saying she did it. The scariest part was jimin literally saying she wanted to die
@@NightPain The scary part is that it was a year ago, how much her mental health has deteriorated since? Having her name in the press constantly, accusing her of new things, and recently of basically killing somebody? Mina is going way too far, if the accusation or true, go to the court, if not, just drop her name and never use it again.
@@Simba.26 why because Jimin has a tanner skin tone. That still doesn't make any sense or is it to say she looks black... then those Knetz are just colorist, which we all know is true.
@@PunkDudette5 huh... that is just straight up dumb then. Knetz just want any reason to complain about an idol. So stupid and by doing this they call Samuel L. Jackson because they think Jimin is ugly like him. Knetz at their finest when they body shame people.
There's a youtuber who appeared in AOA's Heart Attack MV, and, when he talked about his experience, he mentioned that Mina had a bad attitude. The video is in spanish and was published back in 2017. This is the video: ua-cam.com/video/trwkdu9OQTo/v-deo.html he talks about her from 3:12 to 3:56. Here's the translation of what he said: "...Another thing that happened was that I had contact with Mina. Mina... to be honest... Don't hate me but I didn't really like her. Eh, she was very mean and arrogant with everyone on the team. Mmm, I think she lacked being more expressive with people. I mean, like if we all went one way, I think she was going the opposite way. And I didn't like her behaviour, she didn't say hello to anyone, she was always away. I don't know. The truth is... I don't know... That's the impression that I got from what I saw that day. And, actually, we were all sharing and having fun, but she wasn't, so... that girl, Mina... I feel like she needs to change her attitude." Sorry if you find some mistakes in the translation, english is not my mother tongue.
And I wonder why Koreaboo and other sites for news related to kpop never ever mentioned this and any other stories related to Mina's bad attitude after the bullying scandal blowed. They immidiatly took Mina's side without even doing their research properly and in this way partly they encouraged people to go on and hate on Jimin. And for what? For absolutely no reason it turns out. Everglow-up did WAY BETTER JOB than any other site or UA-camr who decided to talk abt this case.
Kwon Mina needs to publicly apologise not only for slandering and harassing Seolhyun, Chanmi and Jimin, but also all the people whose trust she manipulated and abused. Imagine how actual bully victims will react knowing that the person whom they looked up to was such a POS. Imagine the impact of her actions on how people view people with mental disorders and who have experienced trauma. They would be looked at upon with doubt and people will be less inclined to listen to them because of Kwon Mina playing the victim!
They deserve to, but if they do then mina would probably post a picture of her self-harmed wrist and everyone'll blame the members (especially jimin) and they will get a lot of hate and death threats bc of that. Although they should and deserve to speak up, they would get SO much hate for it (even tho it'snot their fault).
@@itsnotaphasemom4758 yeah... That's what makes me afraid. But seeing how everyone now basically knows she lied many times and pity Jimin and AOA... there's still a chance...
As a guy, I would be scared of meeting a girl like Mina in real life. That aside, the person who decided to record the conversation just did one of the best Uno reverse cards ever. 👍
You wouldn't believe how wishy-washy kpop fans are. Think that's what Everglow-up was hinting in another video that people have this “black and white” mindset. They think there's a “good” side and there's a “bad” side. Most people when they hear of allegations of bullying/sexual harassment they will believe the victims regardless of any other news regarding the information. They do it cause they believe it's the right thing to do and the wrong thing would be expressing doubt. But then when that info turns out to be wrong they switch sides and pretend like they “knew something was wrong” when they most likely..did not. This is why I and urge others to stay neutral because, in reality, it's none of our damn business. Kpop fans not only overstep boundaries but we don't know how to properly support and/or hold our idols accountable in a healthy way. This is why the fandom is toxic. Everglow-up is one of the few kpop channels I watch that uses common damn sense.
@@mintealeafy FR, they'll hate you for being neutral saying that you're siding with the perpetrators when there's none yet. Those who claim that they're the victim isn't always the real victim. You're gonna be shamed for being rational.
What's unfortunate is that Jimin's accusations is still one of the most upvoted and commented posts in Reddit but as soon this news was released, this was taken down immediately by the Reddit Moderators. It is honestly so sad that Jimin is still hated till this day especially those Reddit Mods who has the power to switch the opinions of the public. It is so baffling to me that the favoritism of the Reddit Mods made the Jimin bullying allegations STILL up to this day but remove anything that goes against that narrative.
Reddit is so biased. The same can be said about the recent Lucas situation and the last Soojin, Lia, Aisha and hyunjin controversies. All of them were quick to jump into conclusions. Not to forget a few comments comparing what Irene did to with the burning sun scandal
1. I love the point you brought up about everyone praising Choa for being mature. Choa said she'd given up on Mina, but Jimin didn't have the luxury to do that. If someone misses a schedule, it's Jimin's fault. If someone gets sick, it's Jimin's fault. If someone messes up or does anything wrong, it's Jimin's fault. That's what comes with being a leader. She probably suffered so much, and still apologized to Mina for things that she didn't remember. 2. I feel like Seolhyun was so quiet throughout, because she had the most to lose. She was the most popular member (to my knowledge), and she was getting brand deals and acting/ modeling gigs snatched right from her. She lost a lot because of this scandal. 3. I don't know why, but when you brought up the fact about Mina constantly bringing up Jimin's sex life, I got the feeling that Mina is lowkey jealous of Jimin. I think probably because Mina was just acknowledged as the other pretty girl in the group next to Seolhyun, but Jimin wasn't seen as pretty because the beauty standard, so her talent spoke for itself. She had a unique voice and was a great rapper, so she was getting praised for talent while Mina was just getting praised for visuals, so she kinda got jealous. But that's just my speculation.
Seolhyun is quiet bec she was crying the whole time also she's one of the maknae. I dont think she's bothered of what she will lose bec she did say to mina "dont worry about us..."
Strange how when the news broke out at first, I wasn't invested. Now it's a year or so later and I pay full attention to everything. Kpop really changed for me in that time.
@Effy Stonem Jessi doesn't need to apologise for anything since that was purely part of the show based on that situation. She has never been involved in the Jimin mina situation nor has she spoken anything on it. It's all these KUA-camrs creating compilations to make it seem that Jessi knew about Jimin because she dissed her once on Unpretty Rapstar.
Actually I used to go to comments section on her unpretty rap star videos to defend her when people body shame her pr say they can feel she is a horrible person. I honestly do not respect anyone creating considerable judgements without knowing anything. I can imagine people going to that comment section and saying how I was blind and how that person is intuitive. When the scandal broke out. I decided to stay neutral but got extremely upset when people were body shaming, and slutshaming her. In their eyes, she might be a horrible person but making fun of her weight and sex life and image is hurtful towards others. It was so childish the hare and insults that were hurled. And even now people will continue to call her a horrible human being and a bully without feeling empathy because just like the Woojin situation, they just want a reason to hate on someone.
For those people who called knetizens saying that they loving JIMIN now. THEY NEVER EVER SIDED TO MINA, THE INTERNATIONAL FANS THE WHO SIDED TO MINA. KNETIZENS BELIEVE MINA IS MAKING STORIES. THIS GOES TO WOOJIN TOO. KNETIZENS NEVER BELIEVE THE ALLEGATIONS AND SHIT. INTERNATIONAL FANS DID. SEE THE PATTERN?
@@Hi-vw5ur AOA is pretty popular ever since like a cat era then increasing popularity. It only kinda decrease a little bit when choa had boyfriend.And jimin has an aura of btch face. Its easy to believe mina cause she look like innocent. Plus mina only updated her ig when she announced the bullying (after one year no update). For me there is no bullying, it's cold lecturing and scolding as a leader. Mina took it as bully and she pretty sensitive.
@@Hi-vw5ur it's pretty common for kpop fans to join the hate train. It's fine. My only wish is that jimin is happy and comeback to the industry when she's ready. And for the other members too. I hope they would file a case to mina. I hope mina get the help she needed and take her wrongdoing in court. Legal process is the best justice.
TbH, I think it's because international fans aren't as familiar with KPOP tactics as Koreans are. Whereas Koreans have (literally) been dealing with exaggerated reports and false allegations against idols since forever and are thus more immune to their tactic, KPOP only became a big thing internationally these past few years and so international fans are more likely to fall for their tactics. I deal more frequently in CPOP (which is even worse than Kpop in terms of fanwars and "scandals", if you can imagine that), and I've seen so much bullshit scandals that I could smell one from ten miles away lol
Either they know they're wrong and refuse to admit it, or they don't and are still living their deluded little fantasy that KMA was telling the truth. Either way they're pathetic.
@@yueliang1645 honestly! I was looking at AOA’s Instagram the other day and people are still saying f jimin and jimin is a bully and I’m like y’all are DUMB dumb
pretty privilege I'd say... notice how the first insult they throw at Jimin is about her looks? and the no.1 accusation they threw was that Jimin bullied Minaa because Mina is pretty and she's a jealous b*tch👀👀
Throw away the mental health card! you don't see serial killers getting a pass despite dealing with multiple mental healths and the trauma they went through when they were a kid. you can have mental health and still be capable of your action. So please stop excusing someone's action just because they're depressed.
True that one video I watch where a killer kills pedo and child abuser didn't even get the mental health pass due to the fact he got abused as a child humans are hypocrites.
jesus christ i hope more people realize that jimin never bullied mina. there are literal inconsistencies. jimin is just a strict leader and mina is very sensitive. i don’t think jimin is mean-spirited, she was probably just done with mina especially since she attended only 3 vocal lessons, was very demanding to the managers, and skipped dance practice. if i was jimin i’d be pissed too. also, if jimin checked on mina a few times after she left aoa and apologized due to their clash of personalities. i’m sure she wouldn’t have bullied her for the past 10 years. i don’t understand the people who say choa should’ve been the leader, when she gave up on mina because mina was oversensitive. jimin didn’t have that choice.
As an Elvis, this was a horrible time for me. I never really liked Mina but Jimin was my girl. But I sympathized with Mina until your video came up. I feel terrible for our girls.
Same, my bias are choa and jimin, but seeing wht happen right now make me really mad towards Mina... We lost our leader bcause of her.. And now, wht will happen to Aoa? I cant predict but i saw Chanmi and Hyejoung make a dance cover bfore.. A lil hope there
Jimin it's my bias since I started to like kpop back in 2015. I felt sorry for Mina but I still loved Jimin and listen to her music. Im relieved to know Jimin didnt do anything but sad because now her carrier its basically over T.T
@@letsc5986 Yeah....Like Jimin was my bias and when the accusations came out, I didn't believe it at first but I soon became and idiot and believed Mina. But I saw the plot twist coming.
I dont like Mina since before i know that behind that face there's something evil esp. When watching her in variety shows i can see how she likes spotlights and she will do everything to get it .... Like in weekly idol esp when she was one of the host
i hope she dont bc many people will just hate on her and turn a blind eye of the truth, its going to be hard for her but i hope she'll will live her life normally happily
I seriously don’t understand people saying like these messages shows proofs of her problematic behaviours? Doesn’t that kind of behaviour deserves to be known publicly after what Mina has done? Isn’t it better for the public to only know more than one side of the situation? I swear if Mina was the one leaked her private messages, almost NOBODY would say that she shouldn’t expose her private messages
@@bboombayah4662 It's good if Mina does it but bad if Jimin or anyone else does it...to those people at least. And the fact that she said there are more victims of Jimin's "bullying" makes me think that this is long from being over.
@@bethrivera867 take that with a grain or salt, but apparently according to a5aforever, it's possible that the dms to from the alleged victims who claimed to have been bullied as well were from herself actually. So in short, she might be fabricating the stories. a5aforever claimed that the way these dms were written seem too similar to how Mina writes as shown on her ig posts.They both coincidentally have the same grammar mistakes(?). I'm not fluent in Korean, but I'll take that account's words for it since they're fluent in korean themselves. So yeah, be wary of the stories
She was my bias but because she was very sassy and outspoken but not in a rude way. Also felt for her cuz she obviously struggles with an eating disorder. I’m still staying neutral in this but I just hope Jimin is okay (and Mina too regardless of her actions)
Maybe because on unpretty rapstar jimin potrayed as ambitious idol who use her pretty face as shield, and its tough competition with a lot of heat , that tv show zooming her bad mood face a lot Jimin had resting-bitch face but Mina had a sad face , thats why people easily believe jimin is the villain while the Truth are Opposite
@@PunkDudette5 Enjoying kids movies doesn't make someone innocent. Just saying. But it's good that that truth is coming out now, and Jimin is found not guilty
i feel so bad for jimin...she did everything she could. Its not easy being a leader. Its aldready very difficult and mina was just making it more difficult by not attending pratices and not working hard.
I feel really bad for sulhyeon. When Mina first flipped, when everyone just talked about what a pure evil Jimin is, she dragged Sulhyeon into this by saying she was bystander who ignored all the pain Mina had to went thru. as if that wasn't enough, she went further by saying that sulhyeon is on her suicide note. She made everyone think that Sulhyeon did something unimaginably so awful. Later when people begged her to tell what the hell did Sulhyeon do, she said sulhyeon's dog pooped in her house and it offended her.. It was a pure jealousy. When Sulhyeon took all the blame, Mina was happily talking about all the commercials she THINKS she is about to do, such as beer and soju (drink commercials are huge in SK, Sulhyeon was doing them before all this.). I've never seen anyone this disgusting in my life. Can't say any of these in Korean cuz i'm afraid she might actually kill herself. I'm glad i can write things in English bcuz she's too stupid to understand English lol
She's isn't even good in her korean to begin with.. Your english is fine, and you're so right. She harboured hate for Jimin for long time and jealousy for Seolhyun, coz she's one of popular members, fans like her a lot..
I think Mina doesn’t respect authority. I think she does what she wants when she wants and that didn’t fly with Jimin. She holds resentment towards Jimin because of it. I truly feel like this is why Mina is trying to tear Jimin down. In more ways than one. It’s her ego. I just can’t feel sorry for her. She has been very exhausting for me and that’s only on social media. Could you imagine being around her in real life?
I just want to clarify... Seolhyun was quiet bec she was crying the entire time that's why mina asked her to stop crying.That's it, she was hurt of what's happening to the team and cant say a word.
@@blackalwayspink the point is, she’s dragged on her issues so much that’s it’s started triggering the people who suffer with the same problems around her. i love this channel, but bc mina’s problems constantly are of discussion here i’ve started to avoid it all because it’s becoming mentally exhausting for myself.
So far I think there's one called something Nathan who did a reflection on this. But other than him I don't see anyone else. IMO if they were sincere in admitting their fault they should just delete their older videos. No point leaving inaccurate and misleading information lying around.
Y'all should see the comments people were making on Jimin's MVs!! They hurt a lot!! People were bashing her voice, her face, her body....... I honestly feel like crying.
This scandal made me stay neutral to any bullying scandals now. I don't want to repeat my mistake of believing "victim" blindly without listening to the other party.
Ngl I'm kinda concerned if Mina actually commits s****de because there is an account on twitter which came up a day before NCT Lucas's scandal and predicted the entire thing, before it happened. And then they also tweeted about a K-pop Idol committing s****de in the month of September and a few things regarding it which really seems like Mina's case so I hope she doesn't bring it to that level. I'm not siding with her, because I always thought there were flaws in her narrative but it really shouldn't come down to this point because she needs to take accountability for her actions and actually get better.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can so... how can she move on from aoa if she's always bringing them up and messaging them? and you're literally replying to every comment trying to 'prove' that mina is innocent when you CLEARLY havent watched the video.
@@user-hr8vp2nu5q She should've stayed an ulzzang girl lol. Idk if she'll still cause trouble like that in the future but at least we won't have to deal with that shit.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can The only thing "more" to the story is the deflections and accusations without proof from KMA. I already see that. No, she should just sit down and let other people do the talking now. She had one whole year to prove she was telling the truth and she lied again and again. If I were her I'd have good enough sense to get on my knees and apologise.
I'm crying😭 at last people opened their eyes and someone defending Jimin. I remembered getting so frustrated by people faceshaming Jimin and calling her ill words. That girl might not be the kindest but she's been through a lot. Her massive lose weight. Being compared to a male in late forties in terms of visual. Being an Idol rapper in UPR1. Calling her whore and a lot more😭 when Mina first released the bullying issue everyone throw a fit at jimin immediately 😭 no one tried to be neutral 😭 I'm so glad with everything now
I genuinely hate these fans who supported mina and went to send hate comments to jimin. Now look at what you guys have done, she’s retired from the industry, living as a recluse, getting thinner each day while mina is getting comments to go seek professional help, like where’s the same energy? Why are y’all being clowns and hypocrites? Mina is still in the industry while jimin is totally out of the picture, I say justice isn’t deserved. The real problem is the fans here who kept on making the fire grow bigger. When it first started, jimin left, now the truth is revealed, she won’t be back, not with y’all clown asses. I want this to end with mina being inactive from social media for being the biggest manipulator ever. And for the fans, grow up and learn.
I was a big mina supporter but at the same time I literally got into comment section fights with people saying awful things to jimin. I'm so glad the truth is out. I really hope jimin has a strong support system around her, I feel so bad.
She dug herself a grave with all the exaggerations/straight-up lies. I just read the chats. I wonder how dispatch got them though. Honestly, I usually believe the accuser. At least until they're proven to be liars. But in Mina's case, even though I didn't think she was straight-up lying, something seemed wrong. Cause some of the stuff she was saying in her posts seemed kind of dramatic, and I thought that posting an arm with cuts on it was a horrible thing to do, whether it was her arm or not. I immediately got the sense that she was trying to manipulate. I kept it to myself though, and thought it was just my "bitchy/judgemental" side talking. Nope, there was a reason to be skeptical. Her bringing up Jimin's sex life again was so weird and embarrassing for her. I'm not convinced that Jimin is 100% innocent though.
@@sunmiswashingmachine2753 Yup. We really never know. That's why I have not formed an opinion on the Lucas scandal. There are three sides to every story after all. This side, that side, and the actual TRUTH.
@@erikascencen LOL you again! didn’t I see you on a short somewhere harassing people about this case.. and saying dumb shît abt how abused kids shouldn’t talk about their abusive parents after the parent dies…. Girl bye u need to get a life
@@raincandy3 I think Jessi once made a "mean" comment about Jimin during Unpretty Rapstar. And when Mina's accusations came out, everyone started saying "Jessi didn't like Jimin, she must've knew about the bullying" and stuff like that.
It actually isn't Dispatch. Of course it was a smart move from FNC. They could not argue with Mina in public nor sue her because of her suicide threats so they gave the recordings and texts to dispatch. Only the company could have at the same time the recordings of this day, the texts messages between the members and those between Mina and the staff.
1. I have to admit I cried when I read Jimin's apologies. I could feel her desperation. And maybe she doesn't remember because it NEVER happened or Mina exaggerated Jimin's treatment. 2. Mina is a liar and treacherous, and the chat confirms it, she promises that she is not going to say anything and apologizes, and then publishes it... WTF!? To later threaten and called promiscuous to Jimin. 3. If managers are afraid of you, that says a lot... 4. Mina should publicly apologize to Jimin and AOA. And AOA deserves a comeback and a win, well, many... Not only the contradictions, but also the chat makes it clear that Mina is lying (?)
This is the first time im ever commenting on this issue publicly or privately. AOA was the group that got me into Kpop and since then was my favorite for their entire run. I learned to drive to their albums because they calmed me. I followed everyone's individual activities. And Jimin was my ultimate Kpop bias. Admittedly Mina was my least favorite in the group. But least favorite of the best is still amazing. When the allegations broke over a year ago I was heartbroken and took half a year off Kpop altogether. I wished Mina would find help but I didnt hate Jimin because something was just off. From all that time watching the group something didn't add up. Either way I decided to wait for more information before making up my mind. And this is what I've landed on. Kpop groups are buisnesses first and foremost. They put people with opposing personalities and values together just like any work place. The difference is you get to go home from work and have a definitive line between the two. You dont get that in kpop. You have to live, function, and endure together all the time. But your still different and probably wouldnt be friends in normal circumstances. Mina was HARD to work with. It's pretty obvious her personality was the most difficult for all the girls. But while most of them could focus on making there own work good Jimin had to manage the team. She was probably incredibly strict on her. Just like the teacher that hovers around the student falling behind or the boss that constantly evaluates the lowest earning sales rep. Part of Jimins work was to make the others work. And she probably wasnt paid extra for it. Im sure she went to far sometimes. We all do when we berate our children for drinking and driving or putting themselves or others in danger. And we all know how it feels when it happens to us. We get mad at the people telling us to be better. I sympathize with how Minas mental health made her interpret criticism. I have mental health issues too that have made me do the same thing. But even when I blamed my parents for yelling at me for my suicidal thoughts I had to acknowledge that they weren't at fault, my brain was. I needed help and they weren't villans trying to destroy me. Now im livid. I'm proud that I waited to judge the situation but the worst thing about all this new information is nothing will change. AOA will still suffer and so will jimin and mina. Lies ruined the lives, career and reputation of all these really talented people. Mina should be held responsible and the public should apologize for how they treated Jimin. And people also need to realize Jimin took the job Choa didnt want or couldn't handle. Everyone saying Choa should have lead should think "why didnt she". The job is almost always offered or given to the oldest member and when its not its because they simply cant do it. Clearly Choa didn't want to or wasn't capable. Jimin did that entire team a favor by taking the role. And despite the situation she clearly did a good job. They are famous. They are a top 2nd gen girl group. They are in the minority of groups who actually made enough money for the members to live off of. Anyone who dosent think jimin had a lot to do with that is kidding themselves.
Hello felloe Elvis Can i ask if you remember in what show or interview ChoA said that she declined being leader coz she cant handle it unlike how Jimin handle it? I think it was in AOA ONE FINE DAY? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I'm sure they are, at least all the lawyers of every kpop company. No one won here. Everybody lost! The terrifying part remaining is, will one of the girls do something terrible to themselves. God, I hope not! All the net trolls are probably flaming every member to just be mean! Every members social networking accounts should be closed to spare them the stress.
It looks Iike Mina was actually having some manic episodes especially when she was texting to Jimin, while she was ignoring her. Those texts are scary af... I dunno I feel bad for all of them, it's just sad at this point.
I don't think it's the company that was more to blame as I would say the workers wouldn't try to do anything like would anyone believe the evidence given to the statement that mina had no because it would cause a problem and fnc would be broken that's why they decided to go silent until the hammer gets slammed because of the believe the victim moment
@@misimatokastanley I don't mean after the fact..i meant throughout AOA's existence.. Jimin had to fend for herself on what a leader should be without help from the company. Mina thought Jimin did her wrong because nobody talked to her in the company..The company should take care of the Idol's wellbeing as well as promotions ... Well it's only my opinion...we do not know what happened behind closed doors. What we know is AOA cease to exist and that is a shame.... I neither support Jimin or Mina ...but I think they are both victims as well as all of AOA
I understand why FNC is to blame but I wouldn't blame anyone. It was a one sided situation with all the public opinionc AGAINST them. Considering Mina's situation people would say anything. If FNC spoke up, they're a murderer or people would blame them for not waiting for Mina to recover. If they didn't speak up, people would say "Mina was right after all". They had no way to defend themselves without consequences
I never bullied aoa members, but I remember posting a comment on Mina's Instagram to support her during that time. I will wait a little longer, bcuz it feels like that's more to come. At this point everything is mess up :(
@@dreamfyres I never really typed hate comments to Jimin but I do regret the fact of being manipulated by Mina. I do admit, I will apologize to Jimin for hating her though.
Yess^^ I absolutely hate and regret that I was manipulated because my past dumb self who thought mina's posts were "enough proof" for the alleged bullying. Until I keep seeing mina's different type of drama over and over, i started to get a little sus. I always thought Jimin didnt deserve the entire hate or death threats. I did believe that once you mess something up especially over the internet, you will expect to see backlash 😅 may mina get professional help and may jimin be alright and ofc be recieving help as well.
Plus, the way that Jimin apologized for stuff that she doesn’t even remember doing does make me think that she did genuinely care and feel bad if she hurt Mina, whether she meant to or not. She apologized for something that she *didn’t remember doing*! That right there should tell you a lot about how Jimin was feeling throughout all of this mess.
choa has the patience of a saint she musta been glad to dip from that mess early on as possible also someones real TIREEED of her bullshit to end up leaking all of this to dispatch.
this is why you gotta stay neutral on things that are none of your business. if you don't know the whole story from beginning to the end, don't choose your side. the truth is almost always more than what it seems.
@@lovestay9640 same here. It was like arguing with a wall. Wasted energy tbh but at the same time, I cannot stand someone innocent being slandered. Especially since it also ruined the rest of AOA.
listen... as a person that has depression and anxiety there's a limit to how much people can help you-- if you don't want to help yourself, hell do i have news for you
What's more triggering is that she has the resources!!! She has the money and place to find a GOOD psychiatrist and find help yet she doesn't. I don't want to diminish her mental health but alot of people would do anything just to be in a position of wealth to get better
@@i_aint_gonna_cry4u187 exactly! thank you. we have to help ourselves and hold ourselves accountable too. we are more than our illnesses! sending love to you. x
@@jayjade6003 you're right. there are a lot of people that can't get help due to their financial standing, and even when there are public institutions, some if not most cannot even afford the minimum payments they have to make.
Is anyone going to mention Jimin asking in the Dispatch messages for a knife because of the situation? I am seriously starting to be more and more frustrated by the situation? Mina is gaslighting Jimin, accusing her of doing things Jimin does not remember doing. Still, she apologised and took the time to talk to her, made up with her but still, Mina wanted to destroy AOA altogether? AND Jimin saying she just wanted the team to succeed she slept with men and Mina slut-shaming for that? From the messages, I don't know what Mina wants? Apologies? She got it. What else Jimin can do to stop seeing her name in the press?
Not her calling Jimin, Samuel Jackson... ✋🏾
My sister was right, Knowing Mina personally must be the biggest misfortune.
AOA had a problem with her
Her sister has a problem with her
Their staff had a problem with her
Those who have worked with AOA have a problem with her
In conclusion she was the problem here...
@@erikascencen I think the second option is what's more likely to happen
That was straight disrespectful...
If Mina doesn't want to forgive Jimin, then MINA IS THE PROBLEM
@@erikascencen I referred to Mina's comments on Jimin's looks, for which Jimin had plastic surgery...
Mina is "if everyone has a problem with you... maybe you're the problem" personified
I just want to point this out. People are more interested in the bullying scandal then the fact that Mina lied, gaslighted and threatened Jimin. I feel so bad for her, the poor girl has been gaslighted, bullied, insulted for over a year and people don’t have the guts to bring up the new information and say that we were wrong
Mina is vIcTiM....
She just got carried away bcoz of trauma.....she wanted proper apology.(public)..which jimin never did......mina was suffering so much....but jimin acted like she remembers nothing
.i am also one who got in such situation....
You who are living peaceful life cat understand TRAUMA....you can't understand anger when the person who made you suffer says
"I dont remember anything....ohh i didn't thought i was hurting you""
It's disgusting how PPL made poor mina as manipulator
Jimin is real bu///y
@@jyshree1652 it's better for you to read the whole pann forum yourself, bcs even jimin is the one who made mina traumatised, mina also proved herself that she's manipulative and psycho. if you follow up her current state, she had been manipulative towards her boyfriend and play victim to the public when everything was exposed to the public. same goes to this case, she can settle it between the group and jimin. jimin apologised many times and even did it on social medias but how mina manipulated the public making the whole cases even dramatic so that people believes her rather than listen to both sides of stories
@@jyshree1652 Because Jimin is a real bully don’t mean Mina is not a manipulator. Once you learn more about the world been more experience you can tell Mina statement is very smart and clever. She is not doing things out of ignorance she know and manipulate her statements and things knowing what it will trigger. Jimin may be a bully but Mina is not the innocent red riding poor hood too. And FYI for fans that think it is helping her by keep shunning Mina own mistakes and excuses for Mina you are pushing Mina further down the hole. And that is disgusting too.
Mina need her space, her own trusted people to receive the therapy and healing to help herself. Her further continued actions on social media will only worsen her reputation and image in the public, only serving the public’s gossip and remaining “fans” good feeling. It will not help her.
@@nisa640 hello how can you understand if you've not gone through situation
Jimin Apologied.....on chats...also she said " i am sry,but i dont remember anything...i never thought i was hurting you""
Honestly it's like jimin was not truly apologitic.....it's so horrible taht PPL support jimin
@@ruthlim8184 first thing....i am NOT mina stan...nor aoa stan...i am just a person who has suffered just like mina
I agree mina tried manipulation and bf things etc
But it doesn't change fact that she's victim....PPL are acting like that bu....lll...y thing is made up
It's not
Damn. Jimin's apologies doesn't sound like someone covering their ass, it sounds like a friend freaking out over thinking they did something horrible. It's to the point that she's not being rational and Choa and the others had to be the voice of reason.
Justice 4 Jimin
@@PunkDudette5 yep! And I think Jimin keep apologizing only for Mina's sake. So that she wouldn't do anything irrational..
Yup. It's sad really
What I gathered from the text messages is that she was hypersensitive and jimin was super strict .it was a clash of different personalities but later after all the sudden suicide cases in kpop she found the perfect opportunity to play the victim and get online support .
Yes, it seems that the other member just gave up on telling Mina anything because she wouldn’t listen but Jimin didn’t. And, Mina took Jimins criticism as bullying because of how sensitive she is. I mean even the staff was scared to say the wrong thing around her.
True
Thiss. Speak louder pls
ahh yes all her wrist slashes are all playing victim 🙄 oh wait I heard yhat before! From people who pushed Sulli and Hara to suicide! Being called attention seeker, liar, promiscuous all too familiar huh
@cherry pop she drove Chanmi to depression 3 years into the group 🙄
I'm probably wrong, but it looks like FNC and AOA couldn't come out with their side of their story because of Mina's suicide threats and the chaos that would ensue. But clearly they had all of these evidences with them just in case. Then after Mina's other scandals started coming out one by one and the public perception of Mina slowly started shifting, all the evidences were handed to Dispatch. Dispatch can leak all of this out as a third party, and FNC and AOA would be free of blame in case Mina tries to harm herself. I hope Mina gets the help she needs, and I hope this is her wake up call.
This is a clever move if it's true
This sounds exactly right, with her extreme suicide tendencies at that time- it was best to not say anything to make sure AOA or FNC couldnt be blamed for Mina harming herself
yes! fnc stated that they discouraged aoa from releasing statements way back in 2020, but everyone was demanding it! if anyone said anything, mina would pull something and they’d be blamed
I'm glad someone record the conversation from that day. He/she deserve a reward for exposing what's really happened back then (maybe its their manager or one of the member)
sounds correct, i thought it was weird how dispatch had the recording. But most likely AOA already prepared to record everything before they went to mediate with Mina
Mina’s past abuse only explains her depression. It will NEVER justify how she ruined the lives of her groupmates, especially Jimin. Mina doesn’t deserve pity. She knows what she was doing. I hope she gets help but I also hope she’ll pay for what she did in a legal way. Her problem isn’t everyone’s problem.
She may be lying about her past abuse as well.
@@Frooooooo I think so too. What she says about her dad is different from what she was saying before. No one will be excited to see the person who abused them.
@@Idontknowhowtonameshit hmm, there is such a thing as trauma bonding
@@Me_di I watched her videos before and she talks about how much she loves her dad. Maybe he did hurt them at some point, but with the amount of truths she exaggerated, it wouldn’t be surprising to see that she exaggerated that as well. Mina is a compulsive liar.
Exactly OG Kpop fans remembered what happened with TARA back in the day I immediately side eyed the situation ever since she came out with it now she’s effectively ruined all her group mates careers TARA never bounced back from this situation but I hope AOA does
When Mina came out with her bullying allegation a year ago with no proofs, I’ve seen a lot of people fully supporting her and insults Jimin on Instagram. And now that Dispatch revealed these informations that shows how problematic Mina was, they pulled the "I’m staying neutral card now" instead of siding with Jimin like really? You can’t do that when Mina first announce being allegedly bullied by Jimin?
Hypocrites 🤷♀️
it wasnt even bullying
LOL after cases like Woojin’s and to be honest the absolute mess of Dramagedon (james charles, shane dawson, jeffrey star) too, I think people are only just now really opening their eyes to the clownery in bandwagoning and I think are trying to not take sides so quickly anymore. Honestly I’m no different. Every scandal has really taught me a lesson and opened my eyes more and more and made me realize my subconscious habit of jumping to a side too. People are easily impressionable by popular opinion, but I think internet culture is definitely shifting to place emphasis on maintaining neutrality when scandals break out and stuff nowadays.
Not going to lie I'm guilty of siding with mina assuming jimin was like that. So I'm sorry for jumping the gun. I learned that don't take any sides till all sides come out.
@@swty.x_ how
I initially thought Choa would be a good leader when I read the transcript. But your reasoning is right...Jimin was the leader so she didn't have the option give up on Mina. She was trying to be a good leader and it just backfired because of Mina. This whole situation is a mess and I honestly feel horrible for Jimin.
You have a lot of fun content (: I hope once all this mess is over you can also make a video on everything (:
I thought so too at first but then I realised that a older member and a leader are different. the older member is usually supposed to calm the team down and care for them like a older sister while the leader holds everyone together and makes sure everyone does their job. imo you can see that dynamic in kpop groups where the oldest member isn't the leader automatically
wow my last sentence didn't make sense It is almost 12 am don't mind me 😭✋🏻
@@sunmiswashingmachine2753 I think if the oldest member of the group is not the leader, in some cases, they ideally help support the leader in certain areas. I don’t know how to explain it further because it varies case by case.
@@reveluvharu0506imo i feel like when the leader isnt there it should be the oldest member to take responsibility.
@@reveluvharu0506 Elder members usually are the ones to back up the leader when the younger ones or just other members in general aren’t listening, since the hyung or unnie of the group is able to speak to everyone in a certain way due to their older age
Edit: but it does differ depending on the group’s dynamic
I actually feel for Seolhyun the worst in this situation. She was too booked and busy during the heights of their career, she probably couldn’t look out for any of the girls let alone herself. They even acknowledge that Seolhyun was having the hardest time during that time, yet Mina still dragged her into this mess. That’s so unfair, and I feel terrible for the girls.
Seolhyun is also the 2nd maknae, its so difficult for her to speak out about anything in that group
And then she goes and says "Seolhyun didn't do anything wrong I just felt bad she didn't notice what I was going through" 🙄 like sis a lot of people don't notice things others go through..
@@emotionaldamage9894 self centeredness.
@@ruthlim8184 Well you don’t know her personally so you can’t say that
@@ruthlim8184 Well you don’t know her personally so you can’t say that
I mean Jimin’s reaction makes sense. If someone that you have responsibility over as a leader said that they were self harming because of you...wouldn’t you be horrified? Wouldn’t you want to do ANYTHING make it better? Trying to explain logically to an obviously mentally unwell person wouldn’t do much. So Jimin stuck with trying to pacify Mina.
I would also panic and apologise in that situation tbh. Even if I knew that I didn’t do anything.
Right? Jimin is very wise decision as a leader and as a human.
But now I little bit relieve atleast people know a glimpse of truth and all the hate towards her will end eventually, I can't imagine how Jimin felt these time, I mean, look, she is just doing her job as a leader of 9 y.o girl group from a small company.
wow you're sick in the head of you think verbally abusing someone and pushing and punching people makes you a great leader. I hope you never have kids, get help
@@yellow8980 wow a loser defending another loser, it makes sense
@@Terry_Bell and where's your proof and source of evidence that jimin abused mina
@@elliestfu4406 did you read the transcript at all? Lol literally Jimin said she pushed Mina and acknowledge she criticized her body and face
It doesn't even seem like the AOA members remember anything since no one said, "Yes Jimin, you did hurt bully Mina" instead they just told her to say sorry so this can all be over. Sorry, but that makes me believe Mina's story even less than I do now.
I noticed that too, they are like 'Mina said...' even when by Mina's words the members saw that happen.
They thought if Jimin apologized to Mina, everything will be done for, all the mess would be sorted.. Jimin apologized thinking it would give Mina the sense of peace she wanted, even if girly had no idea why and what she was saying sorry for....... Only if they knew the mess gonna stretch like a bubble gum..
AOA members have 6 minus mina... So 6 heads cannot remember anything wht happen to this single person?
So. It was likely.. Everything mina said doesnt happened and just exaggerated it
I feel bad for jimin like she is literally saying sorry so much and she is getting bullied by people and her being the leader she felt so bad that she failed her job and hurt mina
It’s heartbreaking, and honestly with the way Mina is. Jimin did the best she could with the knowledge she had about Mina at the time. Did she make some mistakes in how she handled certain things, yeah. Then again she’s only human and young. Only professionals could have handled Mina correctly and maybe avoid everything that happened with AOA.
A single scandal can badly damaging a person's lifeーand it shows.
yes!!i don't think jimin totally bullied her maybe she was just strict leader but mina was sensitive?
She was gaslighted right there 😭 I feel so bad.
It's also disgusting how ppl had discredited her as the leader, Choa is an amazing person but she also gave up on Mina, while Jimin didn't have the option. Jimin wanted Mina to improve but Mina always thought that she was being threatened
this perfectly shows how much the cancel culture, cyber-lynching without trial and investigation is an inadequate thing. people have completely lost the ability to be critical and objective, they immediately need to take someone's side without understanding anything. i’m so sorry.
true.
yep 😭
exactly im glad i never gave hate to anyone in the situation
I can't spot a single lie there 😦
Our society now is literally manuring a "cancel culture" . In the future, if this keeps up, no one will ever be brave enough to show their real self in front of the camera for fear of being cancelled. So yeah, we will see nothing but pure script entertainment 🎭
The fact that yall are calling this cyber lynching is disrespectful to actual lynching victims. Black people and children were raped, tortured, and hung only for yall to compare it too THIS? weirdos
I don't wanna talk about this anymore GOD Mina is E X H A U S T I N G.
no but same but she can't stop creating scandals
Feels great to conclude this..
Honestly I really like your videos about Mina since she is driving me insane. But I bet it is exhausting.
can you make a video on jessi the wannabe black queen ?
This actually feels like a massive relief in a way but I also feel scared that she’s now gonna turn around to hurt herself - I feel so terrible for Jimin. Yet this isn’t the main topic. It hasn’t even been reported on. Wtaf
Everybody is so focused on mina's mental health what about jimin who had to suffer online bullying and vetrol and being shamed from an industry where she spent a decade building her career and image for doing her job as a leader. Even if she was strict and insensitive she doesn't deserve it
I read the transcript of Jimin apologizing when they met uo together. Mina sounded like she was gaslighting Jimin for stuff she didn't remember doing. Saying things like, the person who hit someone won't remember the strike. But it seemed like Jimin remembers pushing her back while Mina remembered that as a punch/hit.
@@raincandy3 and the thing is, AOA couldn’t even attest to Mina’s allegations either. They only pushed Jimin to apologise because Mina was literally going mental.
@@rebeccagabrielle2430 exactly like I think the only reason jimin didn't defend herself is because she was afraid of what mina might do (like commit suicide or pretend to atleast)
Oh god I feel terrible for Jimin. She was between a rock and a hard place. She couldn’t deny the allegations because Mina is an irrational person and her fans are just as bad. And she couldn’t just accept because she knew she didn’t do anything. I’m still trying to figure out why Mina flipped like that after Jimin poured her heart out. It’s evil. Even with her breaking down and saying sorry repeatedly, Mina wasn’t happy. My question is wtf does this woman want?
She probably just wants attention
@Mommies milk Kwon Mina
Jimin was not walking on eggshell's with her and acted like a responsible leader who probably did the job of the scared manager in front of poor princess Mina. In order to gain back that disrespect that Jimin made her feel, she wants everyone in the world to know that she is the most special and lovable. And that Jimin is wrong and has repented and understood that innocent princess Mina deserved to be loved and cared for during those times.
🤮 She's just so childish. Back with her father's abuse and trainee/idol days. There are times when we want to go back in time and correct the wrongs people did to us, that made us turn out like we are today. I FULLY understand that part. However, it's really insensitive to make everyone cater to our needs. We need time when we're healing, that's understandable. We want a lot of rest too. But other people are carrying other burdens and we can't just ALWAYS expect them to baby us. This is work we are talking about. Money and livelihood. At some point, I think we've gone through guilt and shame that made us try hard to TRY and change ourselves for the better, as gratitude for their understanding and support.
IDK what she was thinking when she wanted to be an idol but it's just another line of work, like in the service industry. You smile, be polite, and cater to the wants of your "customers", they do not cater to you. It's just that the fans get to appreciate the idols and thus shower their love and support. If she was jealous that Jimin and Seolhyun (as well as how AOA after she left became famous ) had a lot of support, this just shows how much they tried to connect and make their fans happy and satisfied. They put in effort, instead of being self centered.
Let's say, Mina needs a strap jacket at this point
Idk if it's true or not, but recently Mina exposed the other four victims of Jimin and one of them already passed away. Idk what to believe at this point.
TBH we're getting to the point where if Mina wasn't threathening Jimin with suicide all the time, Jimin or even FNC / AOA could just sue her for defamation.
You can’t sue a suicidal person
@@brobed1 that's exactly the Lovely Panda's point.
People were witchhunting FNC and their idols everytime KMA spoke nonsense.
She deserves jail if not mental ward.
What fnc?
God wow this is like the only time when Dispatch did something right and actualy helped the situation instead of putting fuel to the fire
yeah i usually get annoyed by dispatch but this time i’m thanking them so hard
Not the only time actually. They actually helped two members of TRCNG gathered all the evidences proving that they were constanly abused by TS Ent.'s staffs. I would actually be invested in them more if they use more of their times helping idols..
@@bboombayah4662 instead of exposing celebrities love life? 😆😆😆
Well I'm in if that's what you mean
@@theraffypascual that's exactly what I meant! 😆
They helped trcng and also jaehyun [actor] who’s ex was toxic but was believed cause she was more popular
Mina is the gabbie Hannah of K-pop. Hope more people realise it soon.
THIS WAS MY EXACT THOUGHT 😭
Idk what gabbie hannah is. Can someone feel me in?
@@korikewl0151 she's a UA-camr based in the US.
@@korikewl0151 she is a youtuber who always play the victim. Almost everyone she encounter have problems with her but she still think they are the problem not her. She is over-dramatic , she keeps on using sucide for attention, she gaslight others, she manipulate her fans to send hate to others,etc.
That's the exact same thing I was thinking this whole time. So surprised to see someone pointing this out as well
19:15 the samuel jackson thing was a nickname that jimin haters used to insult her appearance saying she looks like him, she stated multiple times that that nickname hurted her.
I can't believe mina called her the same nickname that actual bullies used to hurt her.
The part where you talk about how everyone is caring only about Mina’s mental health and not Jimin’s is so true, like ppl keep talking about how Mina should get help , which she definitely needs, but no one seems to think about the damage that this whole situation is having on Jimin. Imagine being harassed and forced to apologize for something you haven’t done, and no one wanting to hear about your side of the story, because the other person is mentally unstable and threatens you with killing herself….
I thought about that . What about jimin’s mental health as well.
Right? After a year.. finally now everyone on my side
nobody is perfect is different and being mannerless is different... Wrong need to say wrong, right need to say right.. And jimin sorry to say isnt that innocent how she is looking now.. She has done many things too.. Just because mina got exposed, doesnt mean jimin didn't do anything.. No person who didn't do anything will say sorry or go back.. U ppl like jessi saying she can get ppl who have some messed up... Where r they now?
About situation of jimin... She isn't that innocent too.. And if some person do wrong things.. Ofc when it backfires, it will surely get in depression..
Jimin verbally and physically abused Mina for years she even admits pushing her on the transcrip, like are you stupid? can't you read? Abusers don't deserve any sympathy, she got what she deserved, Mina became a bully because of her actions, they're both sick just like idiots like you defending a loser that lost her career because she couldn't do her job as a leader properly
As someone who likes Choa... I agree. She seems to be the type of person who's really warm and caring towards people in general, very gentle and relaxed. Now that usually are good qualities when things go smoothly in the group and when there are enough skilled people around to complement those who are less skilled (aka You-Know-Who-She-Is). However, because of her gentleness she would have trouble pushing people to work, which is why she couldn't get YKWSI to do anything and gave up on her. When she left for her own reasons, AOA was essentially without a main vocal and also sinking a bit in popularity. At this point, relaxing is really the last thing they can do since they don't have enough skilled people to complement those who are less skilled. Everyone has to make up for their skills in a way, and fast. Which is where Jimin comes in. She's the type that is strict and keeps pushing people to improve, while she herself also works her ass off. Those are the qualities that allow AOA to come back fast. Unfortunately, YKWSI couldn't take it and decided to bite Jimin in the ass...
In short, Choa might be a caring person but her being too gentle makes her unsuitable to be a leader. I also apologise if how I described them made them sound like Choa is the only one with talent, which is definitely not true. It's just that I couldn't find good enough words to describe it.
As for my description of YKWSI, I don't regret it.
Very true. To be an effective leader, you will sometimes need to play "bad cop" to get people to do stuff. Mina just sounds like a "overly sensitive person" who couldn't deal with Jimin literally criticizing her every waking moment for not carrying her weight. But was Jimin criticizing her in an effective manner? Probably not, hence why "overly sensitive" Mina says she was bullied.
That's my final take on this entire mess that Mina has come to milk the crap out of.
The way you said "you know who she is" sounds like "he who must not be named" 😭😂 that was really good tho..
And I completely agree on what you said. A leader has to be strict. An every leader is strict but in a different way, and if the leader pushes the team to work harder to be be better at their craft is nothing wrong. Coz at the end of the day if anything goes wrong the leader is responsible for the failure of the group, the leader is responsible for everything. I've always thought Mina took Jimin's criticism and strictness as bullying but after knowing she's been in stress, going under some medication since she was like 14 I'm 100% sure she took it that way.
@@emotionaldamage9894 Yeah the first part was my intention 🤣🤣
I agree with you.
@@Chaipuffai SAY IT LOUDER SIST!!!!! 👏👏👏👏
I can totally understand that members of AOA were frustrated and exhausted being in a group with Mina
I would be too
If I were a leader or member in the same group with Mina, I'd have left the group too and like steer clear from her forever.
@@emotionaldamage9894 i'd just quit being an idol LMFAOOO
I think we got an insight of what Mina’s behaviour was like during her time in AOA from the way Choa spoke about her. Mina was clearly a very difficult, entitled and sensitive person to work with and this can literally be backed up by the way she treats the managers like her personal servants. Sorry but why are they getting appointments for your mum at like fucking 3-4am 💀 Also can we talk about how Mina said that “all eyes and ears in the room were the same” when none of the other members literally sided with jimin or Mina 💀 Sorry but she knew what she was doing when she said that.
Seeing Mina’s behaviour from the texts and also from the stuff she’s done over the past year, what that actor from AOA’s heart attack MV said about Mina back in like 2016/2017 kinda seems true. He said the other members, especially Seolhyun and Chanmi, were nice while Mina didn’t greet anyone and was rude. :/
Did anyone else also notice the way her demeanour changed when she was writing her most recent Instagram post about how she will reveal everything without any lies or shocking/bad words+ talk to dispatch? In most of her other posts, she always sounds so arrogant but this time, she doesn’t. Why? Because she knows that she’s screwed since there is actually EVIDENCE AGAINST HER. She used to be arrogant in her posts because she knows that no one will come forward with their side of the story due to her weaponising he s3lf harm and su1c1de, which enables her to play the victim card to the max. Sorry but having mental illness doesn’t excuse you from being a fucking manipulative person.
Sorry but I will never forgive the kpop stans that justified body-shaming, slut-shaming and making fun of jimin’s voice just for a fucking hit tweet on Twitter. Those idiots are a bunch of cyber bullies and I bet those same ones are saying: “I knew Mina was fishy” like NO YOU DIDN’T.
Preach! I absolutely detest people who uses mental illness to excuse their shitty behaviors. Used to have a friend who used their mental illness to manipulate me for the entire time we were "friends." When I finally cut them out of my life, I never felt so relieved before in my entire life.
100%, if Mina was as difficult to deal with for 9 years, the other members deserve a freaking award. She sounds so complicated to talk with and to reason with. The thing that stayed in my head after reading the messages is Jimin saying how much she wanted the team to succeed and how she did everything for the group's success. If Mina was skipping practice, not taking vocal lessons, and being difficult, as the leader, Jimin would have been the one called by the CEO and criticised.
Mina just sounds arrogant and entitled, she can't do anything wrong and if somebody does not go her way, she founds a way to blame somebody else. Her boyfriends, her members. She basically accused Jimin of killing somebody after her being seen smoking in a non-smoking hotel room. She is DANGEROUS. Especially as she said that few days / weeks after mentioning being super close to Sulli... the insinuation is wild.
@@btsniki113 please preach! Thank you. When everything started to point out wrong or fishy in Mina's stories, Mina's fans started to call Jimin ugly, skinny and so many things, as if that's a valid point to prove Mina's accusation smh. And when she herself exposed Jimin's private life, slut shamed her I thought
Like Mina like fans, the owner of the circus and the clowns are literally same.
And then I lost whatever respect I had for Mina, like okay will wish nothing but best for her but never gonna respect her again.
@@btsniki113 I always get annoyed whenever people say her rapping voice is annoying and not pleasant to hear, but when I check the male ver. of AOA songs some people like her parts a lot because it sounds cool. How funny people are... And there was time when people mentioned her name a long with Hyuna like she is a Hyuna wanna be and mocking at her voice when, at least to me, their voices are just similar. Fine, it's personal preference but kinda unfair and clearly people just throwing hate at her.
Unfortunately, I have a "friend" / co-worker like Mina. She drains me mentally and plays victim. I stay quiet because I dislike drama but this just leads her to believe that she's right. Ugh, it's exhausting.
Yes it's hard dealing with overly sensitive people with no consideration for other people's energy.
People like them are really annoying. I hope you can avoid her and keep your sanity. I guess its for your good that you let co-workers know about her behaviour.
after all this jimin is an angel for not dragging mina to every court she could find
fr if i was Jimin i would be fighting back and posting shit exposing Mina 24/7 lol. She has a lot of strength and self control.. Id be losing my mind.
@@erin6967 same
@@erin6967 she probably lives far away from social media right now and hopefully enjoys her life. i would probably get crazy if i would read minas shit about me everyday without a chance to redeem myself or tell my side of the story
I think they arent allowed to talk, jimin doesn't have a choice but to stay silent, because mina is suicidal, what if mina killed herself after they release a statement? That's why it's a good move that dispatch released the convo,
@@sanneysanne4186 yes i know but i cant even imagine how strong of a person you must be to let yourself get publicly trampled for over a year just to save the life of the person that destroys your life
I have a feeling she will go berserk after this. This is her biggest downfall ever since the whole issue started. If she doesn't get proper help soon, who knows what other scary things she might do.
Exactly what I said on my Instagram. I am scared she is gonna do something insane that she can't turn back from...
@@everglowup nah she will threaten too but she won't probably do it.
Korean here. Since some of you are still delusional and believe Mina’s lies, let me write what has been revealed
1. MINA BULLIED THE STAFF AND MANAGERS constantly demanding things during their time off and talking to them rudely and getting angry at them
2. Minas text with jimin show that they were actually really close and jimin was sweet to mina. Even months before Mina’s “exposing” jimin, jimin and mina hugged, jimin said I love you, mina said sorry and thank you, and they would call each other.
3. The members tried to mediate the situation and hyejeong even told mina to apologize to jimin too but mina blamed everything on jimin.
4. Choa said she gave up on mina cuz she doesn’t listen to anyone and that jimin had to step up. Mina would miss practices, mistreat fans, and abuse staff. Someone had to step up and it was jimin who scolded her as the leader - THIS ISNT BULLYING. The big fight they had was cuz mina ruined their comeback & it was canceled due to her missing all the practices and that’s when they were aggressive with each other + Hyejeong said she is going to go crazy cuz of mina driving her crazy.
5. Mina sent jimin nasty messages attacking jimin’s mom and also insulting her appearances
6. Jimin apologized cuz choa told her she should as the leader and unni and also to end the drama and calm mina down. Mina exposed and caused the whole drama months after her and jimin reconciled for their big fight just because she was feeling depressed due to not having a job and aoa becoming popular with queendom. She admitted this.
It’s hilarious to see how Mina’s narrative tends to paint everyone as these almost unbelievably mean and cruel people but yet the transcript actually shows the complete opposite…and yet people still make excuses for her because a victim is never wrong and their actions are always justified because they are just that a “victim”
Usually if the one who’s closest to you in a group says you’re in the wrong while everyone just wants to force an apology to get it over with…it tends to mean something.
I'm tired of people thinking she's such an innocent person. Like it's okay if you wanna take her side, if you believe she was bullied by Jimin that's fine, but it's also okay to say that she is infact a skilled manipulator, gaslights a lot, a pathological liar and now somehow has become a bully too.. Just because she suffers from mental health issue doesn't mean she can't be a bad person..
@@emotionaldamage9894 I do still believe she was bullied, but no way am I gonna sit here and say she’s all innocent. The last year or so she’s been so manipulative and gaslighted so much.. not to mention how she will not for the life of her do what’s best and stay off of social media? She talks ab how she’s “hurting” yet doing it to herself like huh-
@@latinasawntop Yes they are not contradicting. One can be a victim and a bully/manipulator. More often most bully are likely victims of bullies or other abuse. Which is Why I hate the cancel culture on bullies without much depth on talking how to end the bullying culture.
I saw thru Mina the moment the news broke. I never believe people if there is no proof
@@mischiefmaker3140 And I stayed neutral from the begining.. When this news broke out we were getting only one sided story and I wanted Jimin's side story too! So I never took side, never blamed anyone..
From how I see it, Mina was looking for an older sister in Jimin who would pamper her and spoil her but what she got was a leader who would keep her in check.
after everything that happened between them... new fear unlocked for Kpop idol group leaders. what a disaster. I never really thought about it that way because we mostly see Kpop groups who are very close with each other but imagine being the leader of a very sensitive member who you can't approach because they will take it the wrong way.
More like mina is a narcissistic b*tch that wants to be treated gently no matter what she does, some handsome and pretty people have this superior complex too so when jimin was doing her job, mina couldn't have it because in her mind she does no wrong and she's superior, pathetic i know many people like that
"If people don't like you maybe your the problem" that quote suits Mina so bad like everyone hates you girl 💀
it really sucks that we live in a time where actual victims are silenced often while at the same time playing victim is by far the best way to oppress your surrounding
I mean it's always has been that way - just look at Hwayoung and T-ara in 2012~
@@axisboise I would include that in the timeframe I meant with my comment because I'm fucking old and I still feel like 2012 was last year xdd
@@Orkenschlaechter 😅 tbh I feel you!
Abusers choose victims that they think won't be believed. False accusers do the same. Both are correct way too often.
@@axisboise Apart from the behaviour of the fans this is completely different; Hwayoung did not play the victim and never claimed to have been bullied. Read my history of the scandal on my Discussion page or reach for The True Story of the T-ara Bullying Scandal.
The saddest part is, if Mina actually took constructive criticism properly and listened to Jimin, she could have honestly been a really good Idol. Her Rapping was her strong point to me and she easily could have earned a permanent spot in the Rap line with Jimin & Chanmi. Her laziness and Diva attitude destroyed her career and talents.
her lower range was also good
Basically, even the tiniest criticism towards Mina = bullying and attempted murder. Even Choa the eldest couldn't say a word to Mina because of how sensitive she was (maybe Mina was the sole reason why Choa refused to be the leader in the first place). This just goes to show how different Mina is from everyone else.
Seolhyun took criticism and improved herself with it. Mina on the other hand developed a narcissistic victim complex that destroyed the group.
what's the story with seolhyun relating to all this exactly and how is she doing now? I know some vague tidbits but not enough.
@@danimetal4171 Seolhyun received a lot of criticism from netizens back in the days when they debuted, from her weight (which I honestly didn't see any problem with but apparently it's not within Korean's beauty standard), to her acting in Orange Marmalade, her vocal, and her dances she took it all in and reflected herself and actually made an effort to became better. Her role in "My Country" and her stage in Queendom were all proofs that she made effort and there's improvement. Some even said they didn't know Seolhyun could sing that good. It took years for her to be acknowledged by people after all those harsh criticism. I feel really sorry for her career being ruined bcs of someone's problem.
I don't blame her for being sensitive but she should be using her sensitivity to ruin her ex bandmates' lives. Her problems are not their problems yet she blames them, especially Jimin
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can Go read the leaked AOA text exchanges. I'm not making stuff up you buffoon.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can YOUR imagination is not replacement for facts.
Here's the truth. Search "did former aoa member jimin not apologise" on Dispatch. I wanted to post the link but UA-cam doesn't allow it. Sigh...
See it for yourself.
One of the useful things dispatch had ever done 💀
I 100% agree with your assessment of Choa. I was so surprised to see everyone calling Choa mature when she was really just trying to sweep the issue under the rug because Mina is difficult. While I DO understand her position, she wasn't some amazing mediator because she let Jimin bear the brunt of it and just go along with Mina and her madness.
Yeah I agree, that is why she prolly wasn’t the leader. I like Choa but she ain’t a mentally strong person
Correct. In my personal thoughts she done a right thing earlier since there is no person wants to deal with Mina's insanity. But leaving Jimin bearing all of the problems, sounds like she's running away from the problem.
Choa was getting frustrated by Mina so she made Jimin apologize only to make things work, it's like c'mon apologize for Mina's sake, so this all could be done, and everything will be normal again..
I don't think Choa meant it in a wrong way but her approach was definitely wrong. Jimin said sorry even if she didn't know what she's apologizing for only for Mina's so that Mina won't do something stupid. And Mina's saying "you don't remember" without mentioning what are the exact incidents of bullying implies she didn't have anything to say..
when someone self proclaim to victim and dont accept apologise ? this BS also dont blame ChoA she problably just want to end this fast back everything to normal.
@@kurokoy9514 that's not good enough. So you'd let someone not be accountable just because they're difficult?
I was shocked by people calling Choa mature too, like how? She is just giving Mina what she wants.
Basically abandoned the group with the problem hahahahha. Choa calling should be the leader. They can't even handle mina.
@@RK-xw2kf Yeah, its delusional, I know Choa had her own issues but so did the rest 🤦🏻♀️
@@curerose6906 it's like this.
Choa: fck that I'm outta hereeee (with mina behavioural problems)
Delusional fans: choa should be the leader! uwu
@@RK-xw2kf Totally, lmao like she was sitting there seeing how Mina gaslighted Jimin and said: just apologize to her.
Like, for what? To feed into her delusions?
No offense to Choa but I posit that if she were the leader she'd make the situation worse for A5A...
Edit: through her good intentions no less.
I think ChoA just wanted to end the discussion. She knew that no matter what Jimin would say Mina wouldn’t listen, and saying those things weren’t helping either, I feel like she was just “okay, okay, we had enough.”
I think so too. She has opened up to the public about her mental health problems and this situation must have flared them up. She probably also knows Mina is sensitive and that reason can’t be used. I feel for her; she obviously loves her former members, but she also has to look out for her own health.
Jimin was cyber bullied & harassed out of her career all because Mina made her the target of her aggression
Honestly Mina should be blacklisted from the industry and she shouldn’t get a job anywhere cause she hurt a lot of people. I’m sick of her …can’t believe I supported her when she came out but now nope!
@@i_aint_gonna_cry4u187 I agree
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can where is the proof ?? Ask your klown mina to provide that she said she has…until then she’s a liar…and by liar I meant klown mina is a liar and attention seeker and a narcissist…keep babying mina till everyone loses their life because of her
I hope jimin sues her for defamation
I hope seolhyun gets her money back
Me too!
This controversy proved pretty privilege
And that using a mental illness works
I agree about Choa. I don't see why people call her so mature. Her avoidant tendencies make her the opposite of leader material.
thank you!! everyone is praising choa's attitude and im just confused. she left the group because she couldnt be bothered to deal with it and even admitted she ignored mina's strange attitude because she wouldnt listen to her. all the responsability fell on jimin
Honestly same 😅😅
@@golbinnom That's not true. Choa was dealing with depression at the time. She made a conscious choice to work on her mental health in solitude and only came back when she was finally feeling better. She did not leave the group because she couldn't be 'bothered', she left the group because she was dealing with a serious mental health issue.
@@lise2044 thats their point
@@lise2044 Exactly. She has her own issues to deal with, she can't deal with Mina's as well.
You speak nothing but FACTS.
So she gaslighted Jimin with the things Jimin didn't do? Op-
Clearly, saying: oh you don't remember, but you did it, is gaslighting. If Jimin GENUINELY does not remember any of the episode, I doubt she has Alzheimer. Even the others members are not saying she did it. The scariest part was jimin literally saying she wanted to die
@@jessicajessica4392 When she said that she wants to die, I just felt my stomach drop. Poor girl
@@NightPain The scary part is that it was a year ago, how much her mental health has deteriorated since? Having her name in the press constantly, accusing her of new things, and recently of basically killing somebody? Mina is going way too far, if the accusation or true, go to the court, if not, just drop her name and never use it again.
@@jessicajessica4392 according to a knet who lives in the same area, jimin only leaves her house to walk her dog, and she’s pale and skinnier…
@@mysticmaknae. oh my god. That's getting out of hand.
Mina called Jimin Samuel L. Jackson, one of the most respected and entertaining actors in the USA. Honey, make it make sense.
Knetz would say Samuel L. Jackson to jimin to make fun of her looks
@@Simba.26 why because Jimin has a tanner skin tone. That still doesn't make any sense or is it to say she looks black... then those Knetz are just colorist, which we all know is true.
@@PunkDudette5 huh... that is just straight up dumb then. Knetz just want any reason to complain about an idol. So stupid and by doing this they call Samuel L. Jackson because they think Jimin is ugly like him. Knetz at their finest when they body shame people.
@@justdb4 I don't think it has to do with the skin color since Jimin was always known for having really pale skin tone.
@@justdb4 Also jimin didn't fix the beauty standards and her voice is unique so knetz made fun of her
There's a youtuber who appeared in AOA's Heart Attack MV, and, when he talked about his experience, he mentioned that Mina had a bad attitude. The video is in spanish and was published back in 2017.
This is the video: ua-cam.com/video/trwkdu9OQTo/v-deo.html he talks about her from 3:12 to 3:56. Here's the translation of what he said:
"...Another thing that happened was that I had contact with Mina. Mina... to be honest... Don't hate me but I didn't really like her. Eh, she was very mean and arrogant with everyone on the team. Mmm, I think she lacked being more expressive with people. I mean, like if we all went one way, I think she was going the opposite way. And I didn't like her behaviour, she didn't say hello to anyone, she was always away. I don't know. The truth is... I don't know... That's the impression that I got from what I saw that day. And, actually, we were all sharing and having fun, but she wasn't, so... that girl, Mina... I feel like she needs to change her attitude."
Sorry if you find some mistakes in the translation, english is not my mother tongue.
He was ahead of his time, this needs to be spread. Salute to him.
Underrated comment
You did good im from argentina (not good with english)
And I wonder why Koreaboo and other sites for news related to kpop never ever mentioned this and any other stories related to Mina's bad attitude after the bullying scandal blowed. They immidiatly took Mina's side without even doing their research properly and in this way partly they encouraged people to go on and hate on Jimin. And for what? For absolutely no reason it turns out. Everglow-up did WAY BETTER JOB than any other site or UA-camr who decided to talk abt this case.
Kwon Mina needs to publicly apologise not only for slandering and harassing Seolhyun, Chanmi and Jimin, but also all the people whose trust she manipulated and abused. Imagine how actual bully victims will react knowing that the person whom they looked up to was such a POS. Imagine the impact of her actions on how people view people with mental disorders and who have experienced trauma. They would be looked at upon with doubt and people will be less inclined to listen to them because of Kwon Mina playing the victim!
*Jimin, Chanmi, Seolhyun and the rest of A5A. All of them were harmed but she went after the three I mentioned the most times.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can Cool story but I'm not at fault for speaking the truth about a liar 🤣🤣
AOA and Jimin deserves to speak and comeback!
Hope the girls are fine...
They deserve to, but if they do then mina would probably post a picture of her self-harmed wrist and everyone'll blame the members (especially jimin) and they will get a lot of hate and death threats bc of that. Although they should and deserve to speak up, they would get SO much hate for it (even tho it'snot their fault).
@@itsnotaphasemom4758 yeah... That's what makes me afraid. But seeing how everyone now basically knows she lied many times and pity Jimin and AOA... there's still a chance...
As a guy, I would be scared of meeting a girl like Mina in real life. That aside, the person who decided to record the conversation just did one of the best Uno reverse cards ever. 👍
Let's see all the people start switching up and saying they never supported her and "they knew the whole time"
You wouldn't believe how wishy-washy kpop fans are. Think that's what Everglow-up was hinting in another video that people have this “black and white” mindset. They think there's a “good” side and there's a “bad” side. Most people when they hear of allegations of bullying/sexual harassment they will believe the victims regardless of any other news regarding the information. They do it cause they believe it's the right thing to do and the wrong thing would be expressing doubt. But then when that info turns out to be wrong they switch sides and pretend like they “knew something was wrong” when they most likely..did not.
This is why I and urge others to stay neutral because, in reality, it's none of our damn business. Kpop fans not only overstep boundaries but we don't know how to properly support and/or hold our idols accountable in a healthy way. This is why the fandom is toxic. Everglow-up is one of the few kpop channels I watch that uses common damn sense.
@@mintealeafy FR, they'll hate you for being neutral saying that you're siding with the perpetrators when there's none yet. Those who claim that they're the victim isn't always the real victim. You're gonna be shamed for being rational.
What's unfortunate is that Jimin's accusations is still one of the most upvoted and commented posts in Reddit but as soon this news was released, this was taken down immediately by the Reddit Moderators. It is honestly so sad that Jimin is still hated till this day especially those Reddit Mods who has the power to switch the opinions of the public. It is so baffling to me that the favoritism of the Reddit Mods made the Jimin bullying allegations STILL up to this day but remove anything that goes against that narrative.
Those people really have something going with their moral compass
That’s why we need to spread the TRUTH
@@vani50 sadly we cant do that in the /r/kpop subreddit who has a bias in Mina but I am trying to spread truth for Jimin in other social medias
@@insomnia6265 the r/kpop sub is so damn biased,I stopped reading it 😒
Reddit is so biased. The same can be said about the recent Lucas situation and the last Soojin, Lia, Aisha and hyunjin controversies. All of them were quick to jump into conclusions. Not to forget a few comments comparing what Irene did to with the burning sun scandal
1. I love the point you brought up about everyone praising Choa for being mature. Choa said she'd given up on Mina, but Jimin didn't have the luxury to do that. If someone misses a schedule, it's Jimin's fault. If someone gets sick, it's Jimin's fault. If someone messes up or does anything wrong, it's Jimin's fault. That's what comes with being a leader. She probably suffered so much, and still apologized to Mina for things that she didn't remember.
2. I feel like Seolhyun was so quiet throughout, because she had the most to lose. She was the most popular member (to my knowledge), and she was getting brand deals and acting/ modeling gigs snatched right from her. She lost a lot because of this scandal.
3. I don't know why, but when you brought up the fact about Mina constantly bringing up Jimin's sex life, I got the feeling that Mina is lowkey jealous of Jimin. I think probably because Mina was just acknowledged as the other pretty girl in the group next to Seolhyun, but Jimin wasn't seen as pretty because the beauty standard, so her talent spoke for itself. She had a unique voice and was a great rapper, so she was getting praised for talent while Mina was just getting praised for visuals, so she kinda got jealous. But that's just my speculation.
Seolhyun is quiet bec she was crying the whole time also she's one of the maknae. I dont think she's bothered of what she will lose bec she did say to mina "dont worry about us..."
Strange how when the news broke out at first, I wasn't invested. Now it's a year or so later and I pay full attention to everything.
Kpop really changed for me in that time.
Nice Mion pfp!
@@sofiabracho387 thank you
@Effy Stonem that's not jessi's fault it's immature fans fault ..both Jessi and Jimin were on Reality show 😅
@Effy Stonem Jessi doesn't need to apologise for anything since that was purely part of the show based on that situation. She has never been involved in the Jimin mina situation nor has she spoken anything on it. It's all these KUA-camrs creating compilations to make it seem that Jessi knew about Jimin because she dissed her once on Unpretty Rapstar.
Actually I used to go to comments section on her unpretty rap star videos to defend her when people body shame her pr say they can feel she is a horrible person.
I honestly do not respect anyone creating considerable judgements without knowing anything.
I can imagine people going to that comment section and saying how I was blind and how that person is intuitive.
When the scandal broke out. I decided to stay neutral but got extremely upset when people were body shaming, and slutshaming her. In their eyes, she might be a horrible person but making fun of her weight and sex life and image is hurtful towards others. It was so childish the hare and insults that were hurled. And even now people will continue to call her a horrible human being and a bully without feeling empathy because just like the Woojin situation, they just want a reason to hate on someone.
For those people who called knetizens saying that they loving JIMIN now. THEY NEVER EVER SIDED TO MINA, THE INTERNATIONAL FANS THE WHO SIDED TO MINA. KNETIZENS BELIEVE MINA IS MAKING STORIES. THIS GOES TO WOOJIN TOO. KNETIZENS NEVER BELIEVE THE ALLEGATIONS AND SHIT. INTERNATIONAL FANS DID. SEE THE PATTERN?
@@Hi-vw5ur AOA is pretty popular ever since like a cat era then increasing popularity. It only kinda decrease a little bit when choa had boyfriend.And jimin has an aura of btch face. Its easy to believe mina cause she look like innocent. Plus mina only updated her ig when she announced the bullying (after one year no update). For me there is no bullying, it's cold lecturing and scolding as a leader. Mina took it as bully and she pretty sensitive.
@@Hi-vw5ur it's pretty common for kpop fans to join the hate train. It's fine. My only wish is that jimin is happy and comeback to the industry when she's ready. And for the other members too. I hope they would file a case to mina. I hope mina get the help she needed and take her wrongdoing in court. Legal process is the best justice.
TbH, I think it's because international fans aren't as familiar with KPOP tactics as Koreans are. Whereas Koreans have (literally) been dealing with exaggerated reports and false allegations against idols since forever and are thus more immune to their tactic, KPOP only became a big thing internationally these past few years and so international fans are more likely to fall for their tactics.
I deal more frequently in CPOP (which is even worse than Kpop in terms of fanwars and "scandals", if you can imagine that), and I've seen so much bullshit scandals that I could smell one from ten miles away lol
Dispatch did one thing right here
It’s actually crazy how people are STILL defending Mina
Either they know they're wrong and refuse to admit it, or they don't and are still living their deluded little fantasy that KMA was telling the truth. Either way they're pathetic.
@@yueliang1645 honestly! I was looking at AOA’s Instagram the other day and people are still saying f jimin and jimin is a bully and I’m like y’all are DUMB dumb
@@Simplyfemalettv Should play them Somi's Dumb Dumb lol..
pretty privilege I'd say... notice how the first insult they throw at Jimin is about her looks? and the no.1 accusation they threw was that Jimin bullied Minaa because Mina is pretty and she's a jealous b*tch👀👀
@@happiness4654 yeah... so they just like her for her looks lol. And have the guts to call other people shallow
So… Mina wanted attention, she ended getting what she wanted but she also ended AOA’s career and reputation and manipulated everyone… what a mess
Throw away the mental health card! you don't see serial killers getting a pass despite dealing with multiple mental healths and the trauma they went through when they were a kid. you can have mental health and still be capable of your action. So please stop excusing someone's action just because they're depressed.
Exactly
True that one video I watch where a killer kills pedo and child abuser didn't even get the mental health pass due to the fact he got abused as a child humans are hypocrites.
jesus christ i hope more people realize that jimin never bullied mina. there are literal inconsistencies. jimin is just a strict leader and mina is very sensitive. i don’t think jimin is mean-spirited, she was probably just done with mina especially since she attended only 3 vocal lessons, was very demanding to the managers, and skipped dance practice. if i was jimin i’d be pissed too. also, if jimin checked on mina a few times after she left aoa and apologized due to their clash of personalities. i’m sure she wouldn’t have bullied her for the past 10 years. i don’t understand the people who say choa should’ve been the leader, when she gave up on mina because mina was oversensitive. jimin didn’t have that choice.
This is what I wanted to say I agree a 100%
someone give jimin her career back
As an Elvis, this was a horrible time for me. I never really liked Mina but Jimin was my girl. But I sympathized with Mina until your video came up. I feel terrible for our girls.
Same, my bias are choa and jimin, but seeing wht happen right now make me really mad towards Mina... We lost our leader bcause of her..
And now, wht will happen to Aoa? I cant predict but i saw Chanmi and Hyejoung make a dance cover bfore.. A lil hope there
@@ainatashahasyimboon7583 i know. she took our leader away from us. it hurt like shit
Jimin it's my bias since I started to like kpop back in 2015. I felt sorry for Mina but I still loved Jimin and listen to her music. Im relieved to know Jimin didnt do anything but sad because now her carrier its basically over T.T
@@letsc5986 Yeah....Like Jimin was my bias and when the accusations came out, I didn't believe it at first but I soon became and idiot and believed Mina. But I saw the plot twist coming.
I dont like Mina since before i know that behind that face there's something evil esp. When watching her in variety shows i can see how she likes spotlights and she will do everything to get it .... Like in weekly idol esp when she was one of the host
I hope jimin's career will get revived again since she doesn't deserve all this hate
unfortunately there really isnt a chance of that happening :(
@@glimtrades yeah even Kim hyun joong's career got destroyed even though he didn't do anything but I hope it happens
I don't want her to go back. The k music industry or rather the whole k entertainment industry is gross
i hope she dont bc many people will just hate on her and turn a blind eye of the truth, its going to be hard for her but i hope she'll will live her life normally happily
You also can't say that dispatch shouldn't have exposed their private messages because Mina was the first one to expose it 🙄
They act like mina hasn't been dragging this for a year....
@@Simba.26 Exactly
I seriously don’t understand people saying like these messages shows proofs of her problematic behaviours? Doesn’t that kind of behaviour deserves to be known publicly after what Mina has done? Isn’t it better for the public to only know more than one side of the situation? I swear if Mina was the one leaked her private messages, almost NOBODY would say that she shouldn’t expose her private messages
@@bboombayah4662 It's good if Mina does it but bad if Jimin or anyone else does it...to those people at least. And the fact that she said there are more victims of Jimin's "bullying" makes me think that this is long from being over.
@@bethrivera867 take that with a grain or salt, but apparently according to a5aforever, it's possible that the dms to from the alleged victims who claimed to have been bullied as well were from herself actually. So in short, she might be fabricating the stories. a5aforever claimed that the way these dms were written seem too similar to how Mina writes as shown on her ig posts.They both coincidentally have the same grammar mistakes(?). I'm not fluent in Korean, but I'll take that account's words for it since they're fluent in korean themselves. So yeah, be wary of the stories
Jimin is actually really kind and innocent... I don't understand why someone would want to accuse her if something so bad
She also has a really cute voice
She was my bias but because she was very sassy and outspoken but not in a rude way. Also felt for her cuz she obviously struggles with an eating disorder. I’m still staying neutral in this but I just hope Jimin is okay (and Mina too regardless of her actions)
@@PunkDudette5 that’s true
Maybe because on unpretty rapstar jimin potrayed as ambitious idol who use her pretty face as shield, and its tough competition with a lot of heat , that tv show zooming her bad mood face a lot
Jimin had resting-bitch face but Mina had a sad face , thats why people easily believe jimin is the villain while the Truth are Opposite
@@PunkDudette5 Enjoying kids movies doesn't make someone innocent. Just saying.
But it's good that that truth is coming out now, and Jimin is found not guilty
i feel so bad for jimin...she did everything she could. Its not easy being a leader. Its aldready very difficult and mina was just making it more difficult by not attending pratices and not working hard.
''while you completely ignored Jimin's mental healths'' you tell them, girl!!!
like UGH stop the blind trust and blind prosecution
dispatch must be tired with all the mina articles/drama they saw and decide to shut her constant victim play
Yup,they really said " dating scandal can wait " then went expose her,which Im glad, dispatch u kinda did good this time i guess.
I feel really bad for sulhyeon. When Mina first flipped, when everyone just talked about what a pure evil Jimin is, she dragged Sulhyeon into this by saying she was bystander
who ignored all the pain Mina had to went thru. as if that wasn't enough, she went further by saying that sulhyeon is on her suicide note. She made everyone think that Sulhyeon did something unimaginably so awful. Later when people begged her to tell what the hell did Sulhyeon do, she said sulhyeon's dog pooped in her house and it offended her.. It was a pure jealousy. When Sulhyeon took all the blame, Mina was happily talking about all the commercials she THINKS she is about to do, such as beer and soju (drink commercials are huge in SK, Sulhyeon was doing them before all this.). I've never seen anyone this disgusting in my life. Can't say any of these in Korean cuz i'm afraid she might actually kill herself. I'm glad i can write things in English bcuz she's too stupid to understand English lol
She's isn't even good in her korean to begin with.. Your english is fine, and you're so right. She harboured hate for Jimin for long time and jealousy for Seolhyun, coz she's one of popular members, fans like her a lot..
mina needs to understand that it's hard for some people to speak up whether they are a bully or a bystander.
You can't use pure evil anymore to Shin Jimin. Use the term to describe a person named Seo Shin Ae instead.
I think Mina doesn’t respect authority. I think she does what she wants when she wants and that didn’t fly with Jimin. She holds resentment towards Jimin because of it. I truly feel like this is why Mina is trying to tear Jimin down. In more ways than one. It’s her ego. I just can’t feel sorry for her. She has been very exhausting for me and that’s only on social media. Could you imagine being around her in real life?
I just want to clarify... Seolhyun was quiet bec she was crying the entire time that's why mina asked her to stop crying.That's it, she was hurt of what's happening to the team and cant say a word.
Honestly I'm glad she didnt say anything, i feel like she would get hate no matter what she says
@@itsnotaphasemom4758 she was bullied by Mina and her fans.
mina actually exhausts me and i suffer with mental health problems like anxiety and depression.
Same but what helps me is taking care of my niece and go on walks but i just delete every news segment about mina she's just UGH !
if she has this effect on you then don't mind her anymore, you come first, take time to heal yourself!
ok and what’s your point
@@blackalwayspink the point is, she’s dragged on her issues so much that’s it’s started triggering the people who suffer with the same problems around her. i love this channel, but bc mina’s problems constantly are of discussion here i’ve started to avoid it all because it’s becoming mentally exhausting for myself.
I bet none of the channels that previously uploaded videos obtaining "proof" of instances where Jimin bullied Mina are going to say anything.
So far I think there's one called something Nathan who did a reflection on this. But other than him I don't see anyone else.
IMO if they were sincere in admitting their fault they should just delete their older videos. No point leaving inaccurate and misleading information lying around.
Y'all should see the comments people were making on Jimin's MVs!! They hurt a lot!! People were bashing her voice, her face, her body....... I honestly feel like crying.
This scandal made me stay neutral to any bullying scandals now. I don't want to repeat my mistake of believing "victim" blindly without listening to the other party.
Believe me girl, I was waiting for your reaction since the morning. I literally have no idea what's going to happen next.
Ngl I'm kinda concerned if Mina actually commits s****de because there is an account on twitter which came up a day before NCT Lucas's scandal and predicted the entire thing, before it happened. And then they also tweeted about a K-pop Idol committing s****de in the month of September and a few things regarding it which really seems like Mina's case so I hope she doesn't bring it to that level. I'm not siding with her, because I always thought there were flaws in her narrative but it really shouldn't come down to this point because she needs to take accountability for her actions and actually get better.
She says that she wants to forget aoa (or something like that) but she literally brings up aoa CONSTANTLY and is always messaging jimin
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can so... how can she move on from aoa if she's always bringing them up and messaging them? and you're literally replying to every comment trying to 'prove' that mina is innocent when you CLEARLY havent watched the video.
Mina is straight up manipulative. Damn the company should have just gotten rid of her from the beginning before all this drama.
She wasn't even that good to be debuted if she went to another company tbh
@@user-hr8vp2nu5q She should've stayed an ulzzang girl lol. Idk if she'll still cause trouble like that in the future but at least we won't have to deal with that shit.
@@yueliang1645 ikr but her being hungry for attention and knowing of the pretty privilege, look where we are now
What does manipulative mean? 😅
and people defending Mina just because they cant admit they got manipulated into hating Jimin by her🤡💩
You were the only person who basically said that there's probably more to the story and getting the heat, only ending up to be correct.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can The only thing "more" to the story is the deflections and accusations without proof from KMA. I already see that.
No, she should just sit down and let other people do the talking now. She had one whole year to prove she was telling the truth and she lied again and again. If I were her I'd have good enough sense to get on my knees and apologise.
I'm crying😭 at last people opened their eyes and someone defending Jimin. I remembered getting so frustrated by people faceshaming Jimin and calling her ill words. That girl might not be the kindest but she's been through a lot. Her massive lose weight. Being compared to a male in late forties in terms of visual. Being an Idol rapper in UPR1. Calling her whore and a lot more😭 when Mina first released the bullying issue everyone throw a fit at jimin immediately 😭 no one tried to be neutral 😭 I'm so glad with everything now
I genuinely hate these fans who supported mina and went to send hate comments to jimin. Now look at what you guys have done, she’s retired from the industry, living as a recluse, getting thinner each day while mina is getting comments to go seek professional help, like where’s the same energy? Why are y’all being clowns and hypocrites? Mina is still in the industry while jimin is totally out of the picture, I say justice isn’t deserved. The real problem is the fans here who kept on making the fire grow bigger. When it first started, jimin left, now the truth is revealed, she won’t be back, not with y’all clown asses. I want this to end with mina being inactive from social media for being the biggest manipulator ever. And for the fans, grow up and learn.
Fr, the real bully here is mina and her minions. They’re the bullies.
I was a big mina supporter but at the same time I literally got into comment section fights with people saying awful things to jimin. I'm so glad the truth is out. I really hope jimin has a strong support system around her, I feel so bad.
She dug herself a grave with all the exaggerations/straight-up lies. I just read the chats. I wonder how dispatch got them though.
Honestly, I usually believe the accuser. At least until they're proven to be liars. But in Mina's case, even though I didn't think she was straight-up lying, something seemed wrong. Cause some of the stuff she was saying in her posts seemed kind of dramatic, and I thought that posting an arm with cuts on it was a horrible thing to do, whether it was her arm or not. I immediately got the sense that she was trying to manipulate. I kept it to myself though, and thought it was just my "bitchy/judgemental" side talking. Nope, there was a reason to be skeptical.
Her bringing up Jimin's sex life again was so weird and embarrassing for her. I'm not convinced that Jimin is 100% innocent though.
stay neutral in any case, believe me I learned my mistakes from the woojin and mina scandals
@@sunmiswashingmachine2753 Yup. We really never know. That's why I have not formed an opinion on the Lucas scandal. There are three sides to every story after all. This side, that side, and the actual TRUTH.
@@erikascencen what does jessi have to do with this?
@@erikascencen LOL you again! didn’t I see you on a short somewhere harassing people about this case.. and saying dumb shît abt how abused kids shouldn’t talk about their abusive parents after the parent dies…. Girl bye u need to get a life
@@raincandy3 I think Jessi once made a "mean" comment about Jimin during Unpretty Rapstar. And when Mina's accusations came out, everyone started saying "Jessi didn't like Jimin, she must've knew about the bullying" and stuff like that.
I hope haters can actually see the FACTS and think twice
It actually isn't Dispatch. Of course it was a smart move from FNC.
They could not argue with Mina in public nor sue her because of her suicide threats so they gave the recordings and texts to dispatch. Only the company could have at the same time the recordings of this day, the texts messages between the members and those between Mina and the staff.
if aoa leader isn't jimin, maybe that member will be in jimin position now
1. I have to admit I cried when I read Jimin's apologies. I could feel her desperation. And maybe she doesn't remember because it NEVER happened or Mina exaggerated Jimin's treatment.
2. Mina is a liar and treacherous, and the chat confirms it, she promises that she is not going to say anything and apologizes, and then publishes it... WTF!? To later threaten and called promiscuous to Jimin.
3. If managers are afraid of you, that says a lot...
4. Mina should publicly apologize to Jimin and AOA. And AOA deserves a comeback and a win, well, many...
Not only the contradictions, but also the chat makes it clear that Mina is lying (?)
This is the first time im ever commenting on this issue publicly or privately. AOA was the group that got me into Kpop and since then was my favorite for their entire run. I learned to drive to their albums because they calmed me. I followed everyone's individual activities. And Jimin was my ultimate Kpop bias. Admittedly Mina was my least favorite in the group. But least favorite of the best is still amazing. When the allegations broke over a year ago I was heartbroken and took half a year off Kpop altogether. I wished Mina would find help but I didnt hate Jimin because something was just off. From all that time watching the group something didn't add up. Either way I decided to wait for more information before making up my mind.
And this is what I've landed on. Kpop groups are buisnesses first and foremost. They put people with opposing personalities and values together just like any work place. The difference is you get to go home from work and have a definitive line between the two. You dont get that in kpop. You have to live, function, and endure together all the time. But your still different and probably wouldnt be friends in normal circumstances.
Mina was HARD to work with. It's pretty obvious her personality was the most difficult for all the girls. But while most of them could focus on making there own work good Jimin had to manage the team. She was probably incredibly strict on her. Just like the teacher that hovers around the student falling behind or the boss that constantly evaluates the lowest earning sales rep. Part of Jimins work was to make the others work. And she probably wasnt paid extra for it. Im sure she went to far sometimes. We all do when we berate our children for drinking and driving or putting themselves or others in danger. And we all know how it feels when it happens to us. We get mad at the people telling us to be better.
I sympathize with how Minas mental health made her interpret criticism. I have mental health issues too that have made me do the same thing. But even when I blamed my parents for yelling at me for my suicidal thoughts I had to acknowledge that they weren't at fault, my brain was. I needed help and they weren't villans trying to destroy me.
Now im livid. I'm proud that I waited to judge the situation but the worst thing about all this new information is nothing will change. AOA will still suffer and so will jimin and mina. Lies ruined the lives, career and reputation of all these really talented people. Mina should be held responsible and the public should apologize for how they treated Jimin.
And people also need to realize Jimin took the job Choa didnt want or couldn't handle. Everyone saying Choa should have lead should think "why didnt she". The job is almost always offered or given to the oldest member and when its not its because they simply cant do it. Clearly Choa didn't want to or wasn't capable. Jimin did that entire team a favor by taking the role. And despite the situation she clearly did a good job. They are famous. They are a top 2nd gen girl group. They are in the minority of groups who actually made enough money for the members to live off of. Anyone who dosent think jimin had a lot to do with that is kidding themselves.
Hello felloe Elvis
Can i ask if you remember in what show or interview ChoA said that she declined being leader coz she cant handle it unlike how Jimin handle it? I think it was in AOA ONE FINE DAY? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I wish the whole KPOP community could watch this
I'm sure they are, at least all the lawyers of every kpop company. No one won here. Everybody lost! The terrifying part remaining is, will one of the girls do something terrible to themselves. God, I hope not! All the net trolls are probably flaming every member to just be mean! Every members social networking accounts should be closed to spare them the stress.
@@rabbitguy9604 mina is now named a psycho.
jimin is now named a bully.
and aoa was destroyed.
NO ONE WON.
It looks Iike Mina was actually having some manic episodes especially when she was texting to Jimin, while she was ignoring her. Those texts are scary af...
I dunno I feel bad for all of them, it's just sad at this point.
This is tiring … AOA is devastated because of this.. I blame FNC. They didn’t check on their group. Everything fell on the leader
I don't think it's the company that was more to blame as I would say the workers wouldn't try to do anything like would anyone believe the evidence given to the statement that mina had no because it would cause a problem and fnc would be broken that's why they decided to go silent until the hammer gets slammed because of the believe the victim moment
@@misimatokastanley I don't mean after the fact..i meant throughout AOA's existence.. Jimin had to fend for herself on what a leader should be without help from the company. Mina thought Jimin did her wrong because nobody talked to her in the company..The company should take care of the Idol's wellbeing as well as promotions ... Well it's only my opinion...we do not know what happened behind closed doors. What we know is AOA cease to exist and that is a shame.... I neither support Jimin or Mina ...but I think they are both victims as well as all of AOA
I understand why FNC is to blame but I wouldn't blame anyone. It was a one sided situation with all the public opinionc AGAINST them. Considering Mina's situation people would say anything. If FNC spoke up, they're a murderer or people would blame them for not waiting for Mina to recover. If they didn't speak up, people would say "Mina was right after all". They had no way to defend themselves without consequences
@@asma523 exactly it's always the one sided stories that give away the play
Since everything is clear now, people who spread hate about jimin and throwing hate both on jimin and AOA, should apologize to them 😆
I never bullied aoa members, but I remember posting a comment on Mina's Instagram to support her during that time. I will wait a little longer, bcuz it feels like that's more to come. At this point everything is mess up :(
They won't they dont like to admit they were wrong
@@dreamfyres I never really typed hate comments to Jimin but I do regret the fact of being manipulated by Mina. I do admit, I will apologize to Jimin for hating her though.
Yess^^ I absolutely hate and regret that I was manipulated because my past dumb self who thought mina's posts were "enough proof" for the alleged bullying. Until I keep seeing mina's different type of drama over and over, i started to get a little sus. I always thought Jimin didnt deserve the entire hate or death threats. I did believe that once you mess something up especially over the internet, you will expect to see backlash 😅 may mina get professional help and may jimin be alright and ofc be recieving help as well.
Plus, the way that Jimin apologized for stuff that she doesn’t even remember doing does make me think that she did genuinely care and feel bad if she hurt Mina, whether she meant to or not. She apologized for something that she *didn’t remember doing*! That right there should tell you a lot about how Jimin was feeling throughout all of this mess.
choa has the patience of a saint she musta been glad to dip from that mess early on as possible also someones real TIREEED of her bullshit to end up leaking all of this to dispatch.
this is why you gotta stay neutral on things that are none of your business. if you don't know the whole story from beginning to the end, don't choose your side. the truth is almost always more than what it seems.
(Other kpop fandom)They just take opportunity to hating n cyberbully aoa members
Mina has been using the public to mass bully Jimin and that shi is messed up
There's no way people can keep believing mina after this...
you’d be surprised :( i-fans are crazy
@@yerianagrande8343 they are 12
@@lovestay9640 same here. It was like arguing with a wall. Wasted energy tbh but at the same time, I cannot stand someone innocent being slandered. Especially since it also ruined the rest of AOA.
And yet...
Mental health is apparently an excuse for everything according to these people 💀
listen... as a person that has depression and anxiety there's a limit to how much people can help you-- if you don't want to help yourself, hell do i have news for you
i would have lost it if i was around mina for a minute idek how aoa did it
True even I have depression and I was turning into Mina but I took therapy and I changed my ways…you can’t help anyone who doesn’t want to be helped.
What's more triggering is that she has the resources!!! She has the money and place to find a GOOD psychiatrist and find help yet she doesn't. I don't want to diminish her mental health but alot of people would do anything just to be in a position of wealth to get better
@@i_aint_gonna_cry4u187 exactly! thank you. we have to help ourselves and hold ourselves accountable too. we are more than our illnesses! sending love to you. x
@@jayjade6003 you're right. there are a lot of people that can't get help due to their financial standing, and even when there are public institutions, some if not most cannot even afford the minimum payments they have to make.
Is anyone going to mention Jimin asking in the Dispatch messages for a knife because of the situation? I am seriously starting to be more and more frustrated by the situation? Mina is gaslighting Jimin, accusing her of doing things Jimin does not remember doing. Still, she apologised and took the time to talk to her, made up with her but still, Mina wanted to destroy AOA altogether? AND Jimin saying she just wanted the team to succeed she slept with men and Mina slut-shaming for that? From the messages, I don't know what Mina wants? Apologies? She got it. What else Jimin can do to stop seeing her name in the press?
i feel so bad for jimin, netizens and mina destroyed her life and career
Not just netizens, the whole kpop community
Mina seemed like a pathological liar. The messages she sent to Jimin are disturbing.