It appears a Korean court agrees with you since they voided the contract and Blockberry had to re-negotiate the contract with her. After which the company decided Chuu was "abusive."
What is crazy to me is how limited edition their albums used to be and still are... As the group grew, Orbits were unable to buy old albums because they only sold a certain amount... They could've easily sold 10 times the amount of predebut albums, if they actually sold them Also, artists getting 30% of the revenue is pretty sweet, if the company would just act normally and pay for 100% of the expenses, as they should
Yeah this. The artist does not decide to sell anything, they won't decide about the products and amounts, and that should always be the company's responsibility, to pay what they produce. A worker should never have to build dept over doing work
as much as i appreciate dispatch giving us this much information about this issue, them framing chuu losing her temper after being constantly exploited and belittled for years as a “both sides are the villain” situation is misleading AT BEST also very unrelated, i’m not sure if you got sick again or just recorded this while you were still sick but i hope you’re feeling better!!
I'm convinced bbc has paid dispatch, because there's no way a normal person could have looked at those messages and the context and decided bbc aren't the sole villain here
@@Fallphoenix18 I don't think so. I feel the article is pretty neutral and if anything it's more Chuu biased. Chuu has a whole Q&A section addressing the reason why her behaviour changed, admitting she lost patience, and also exposing the Exec's text that called her stupid, while BBC basically has no words on their side of story.
@@hbhj9710 They've actually been editing the original article to make it more passively in bbc's favour, but not many articles have gone back and re-translated.
@@Fallphoenix18 Ya I know about the edited part, I've read both versions in Korean. It also straight up calling the loona project an adventurous failure, I don't think any company would pay someone to call them that. Also the whole chunk of calculation about how non-sense the contract is, is helping the reader to understand Chuu's frustration. Dispatch is saying it's fault from both side practically just to save themselves, but every words from the original article are just exposing how non-sense BBC is.
@@hbhj9710 You make a good point, but I just want to point out that BBC basically did call themselves a failure when they were trying to work the sob story a while back, so I wouldn't put it past them
the stupidest thing bbc did is kick chuu out. her updated contract with bbc was ending at the end of this year anyway. everyone saw the signs of chuu leaving the company. everyone was expecting it. if bbc had just held out for a month and let her leave instead of kicking her this whole mess would’ve been avoided. (I’m sure the revenue and cost distributions would’ve come out eventually but dispatch and others wouldn’t have been actively digging around for info on chuu’s departure if it was just a cut and dry contract expiration as opposed to her getting kicked out suddenly and having everyone even knetz defend her)
Well, Chuu herself mentioned how incompetent they are so I guess it’s not all that surprising that they decided to dig their own grave whilst believing they were digging for gold. I suspect they wanted to make themselves look like victims since news of Chuu’s contract being amended successfully had gotten out and could give others ideas about disputing their own contracts including incoming trainees. Also she was standing up for her rights during schedules and doing so successfully, once again showing others in the industry that it’s possible to do so thus taking the abusive power away from the company. So they made Chuu out to be the bad guy and honestly with the track record of fans turning on idols the very moment they are shown to be imperfect is sickeningly frequent, BBC probably thought they had a guaranteed win. Chuu would be the bad guy, they’d be seen as the poor little company doing their best, they’d still be profiting off the other artists under their label, every thing would blow over and they could just keep doing what they were doing. Plus they probably didn’t want to give more revenue to Chuu for the now ‘postponed’ comeback so they scrambled to find a way to kick her out. But yeah they are so incompetent that they didn’t figure out that Chuu had an huge amount of support and they were shooting themselves in the foot. I doubt any company could predict that fans would actually go through with such a massive boycott of a comeback for a group as popular as Loona! Anywho, bbc thought they could get away with their manipulation like they’d done with their artists, they were sorely mistaken.
It feels the company still saw Chuu as the clueless excited teenager who walked into blockberry all those years ago. Getting her mother to tell her off like she’s a child? BBC are insufferable. Kpop industry is so messed up that you’re considered “abusive” if you don’t accept abuse from your company and exercise your rights smh! I really hope contracts like these become illegal 😒 23:22 Omg facts! Some parents are so excited for their kid to be a star, they sign without really understanding. With contracts like these, you need a legal professional to look through it and explain all the jargon. Sooo many ex idols have spoken about not truly knowing the full extent of the contract when they signed, especially if the contract is in Korean and their family are from somewhere else. It’s easy to get manipulated.
Companies in general try to get people to sign shady contracts all the time. I once had to talk my parents out of selling their timeshare to some guy who was going to give them a certain amount of money and then he would sell it to other buyers at a profit for himself. But when it came to how the numbers were working out there were literally thousands of dollars not accounted for in the contract. He tried the same stuff as BBC by treating me like a child who didn't understand even basic math. He was already going to be making a decent profit but then tried to screw them out of an additional $10,000. I had to literally find multiple court cases against him in the area to convince my parents not to do it. They were just eager to get rid of their timeshare because a different person had convinced them to buy a second one when they already had one to begin with. And I'm sure my parents aren't the only gullible people out there, even more so when it seems like all your (or your child's) wishes are about to come true.
THIIIS!!! Do y’all not realize how stupid adults can be? I’m fortunate that I have two judges and several attorneys in my family (including my father). We can discuss the unrealistic expectations that’s placed on me another time. I never sign anything without fully reading through everything (minus the terms and service contracts social media platforms make you sign because those literally take years to read, yes LITERALLY). And if anything sounds fishy to me, I call it into question, make the other party clarify, and if I need to amend things, I’ll do it before signing and make them sign off of the amendments so that they’re legally valid. Not everyone has that privilege of knowing how to go into a meeting where things will be signed. Not everyone is able to determine what’s a good or bad deal that they’re entering into. Think of it this way, if your parents had to supervise you signing documents, do you really think they’d have any idea as to what they’re doing? Would they know if they’re being manipulated or deceived into signing something that they really don’t want to? Odds are, no. So, I don’t blame the Loona members or their parents. They wouldn’t have gotten into this situation in the first place if Blockberry wasn’t trying to pull the wool over their eyes. Blockberry is 100% responsible for all of this.
Thank you for pointing this out! I feel like a lot of people would love to think they are immune to signing bad contracts or getting conned but most people are not even aware that they should look for legal counsel when signing such a contract. Most people are not familiar with legal and business jargon and are not aware of how the music industry works. An honest company would have *explained* the contract in detail (especially the post settlement part) to begin with. That contract was obviously built in a way where the members would be trapped, it seems very intentional to me.
the fact that BBC really thought that we would think Chuu is abusive like bfr we know that they have been treating Chuu like trash for a long time and then didn't even provide any evidence like what?!!
I'm glad that Chuu was able to stand up for herself and bring attention to this issue within the industry, but why are trainees not hiring their own lawyers to review the contracts? That seems like it should be standard practice, especially when so many trainees are minors and can't legally sign contracts. Edit: Also, Chuu is 23 years old and the person the contract is with, why are they contacting her mother?
Not everyone has the money to hire their own lawyers. Additionally, some might not think that they would need to, because they would not have been given a reason not to trust the company when they first signed on.
It's unfair that idols are in debt for even their comebacks in the first place. Most businesses take risks when they invest into something. Have you ever seen a decently-sized company that requires you to buy your own desk and chairs? Pay for the office space rental? What employees should be paying for is their college degrees and trainings, nothing more. If they want to earn money from an artist, they should treat any k-pop idol like actual employees. Provide their training, housing (or give them housing allowance), shoulder production costs, then pay them for their labor. I'm okay with idols paying for their pre-debut training and all that, that's like getting a degree to get into a corporate business position. But the fact that even the production costs of comebacks are shared risks is unacceptable. And oh, if companies want idols to take business and financial risks all through their careers, then they shouldn't even debut minors.
A funny thing about the chuu spoiler was that hyunjin teased ptt. Kimlip also teased flip that so them getting angry about it was more of an issue with chuu than anything
Honestly, we got to the point Chuu started DEMANDING her rights and legit fighting for it. How did they expect her to react after not being paid ? I'm just surprised the other members didn't do the same
Vivi wasn't capable of doing the same, her work visa is tied to her connection with BBC. If she did the same, she COULD be deported. As for other LOONA members, I don't think they have enough autonomy as Chuu to stand up to BBC. If any of the other members did what Chuu did to BBC, they would probably get ignored or BBC can file a breach of contract against them
at my most recent job there was a problem with the contract and my boss kept telling me i was being rude for demanding to have a contract with the correct dates and payment and i couldnt expect any recommendarion if i was a difficult employee… yeah chuu i stand with you girl
BBC is a prime example of how predatory kpop companies can be towards young people with dreams and hopes. They take full advantage of trainees who would sign any contract just to get a chance at debuting. It's disgusting and I hope this case will open people's eyes, especially in SK. These companies can't keep getting away with underpaying (in Loona's case NOT paying) and overworking their idols 😕
I just want to add that for the texts that were published, aside from the heavy sarcasm ones, Chuu actually used pretty polite/formal language with the BBC employees. A few Korean speakers on Reddit and AKP (which I do recognise are not the best sources) have said that while the translation of the texts is true content-wise, it lacks nuance in the presentation. I really hope that the member's injunctions go through, and in the unlikely event that Loona gets picked up by another company, I'd love to see Chuu join again, though, at this point, I'd have no idea if she'd even want to. It seems that the remaining members support Chuu, and I'd hate for this to be the end of one of my fave ggs. And I have to be honest, I was interested in seeing how BBC would handle the lore with Chuu gone. I'm super impressed with Orbits, I did not expect the boycott to be so successful and it's def only of the only successful ones in recent kpop history.
Compelling and informative video on the entire complicated situation involving Chuu and her legal drama against her former Entertainment company management. Dispatch is investigating the truth about BBC and their incompetent management of their Artists
This video greatly helped me to understand Chuu's situation. Thank u for showing the math part in the video. I have better understanding of the contracts terms and conditions. I hope Chuu achieves success with her future endeavors and the other LOONA members also win their respective law suits and leave that wretched and shitty company for good Hope you get well soon too !!!
And now this agency wants to do with Chuu (and the other girls who terminated their contracts) what SM did with JYJ and Jessica. I hate BlockBerry Creative.
I really appreciate you for explaining the part about the terms of Chuu's contract with BBC because it provides some insight into how little the members were earning from most of their work
remember when we thought BBCircus was the best agency because they treat well and care about Loona back then, turn out they were the most nasty agency ever!!
People who hate on Chuu because she signed the contract herself are just looking for a reason to hate on her out of jealousy. Yes she had signed the contract herself. But if the only thing that separates your teenage naive self and your biggest dreams was the contract, you too wouldn't care about what you are going to sign, you too would just want your trainee period to be over and your dreams to finally come true. Idols give up EVERYTHING in order to make their dreams come true including basic human rights and needs, but the moment they realise how the contracts they had signed are ruining their lives is already too late. They can't do anything. That company has their signature and if they leave before their contract expires they will have to repay the company for providing them with dorms, food and other stuff. There are two reasons companies love debuting minors: 1. People are creepy and have this obsession with idols (especially female ones) being young and pure and 2. Minors are more easily manipulated than adults. Chuu and the rest of LOONA are among a very few brave ones who dare to speak up about mistreatment but there are many many idols dealing with situations equally as bad as Chuu's who are afraid to do anything. Maybe even your favs. So think twice before you hate on Chuu.
I feel so sorry for the mom like, you just wanted your daugher happyness and now you know that she’s not being treated and payd right and she’s also being kicked out for being ’rude’ 😢
For me there are thre important factors to highlight in this case: 1) the entertainment business, for all its glitz and glamour is a well known cessspool of rotten expectations and overstimated dreams. Its very VERY hard to make any money, despite being in big companies, let alone a small one. For every act we even know the name of, there are thousands of others in debt, crushed by their own dreams. Going into this industry might seen like the goal to many artistic minded individuals, but thw ones who thrive are going to be the ruthless, business minded ones. 2) or, to my second point, thw ones with a support system. Even if Chuu’s mom doesnt seem like the most law/business savage, she is THERE for her daughter and is protecting her to thw best of her abilities. And im sure she aint the only one behind this kid. You have to have balls to do. What she is doing… balls and 3) the back to carry this choice. Orbits correct me if im wrong, but chuu is, by far, one of the if not thw most popular member of loona, at least to the non-orbit, international kpop fan. I dont believe any of the other members had the even thw choice toi fight the wat she hs, because they dont have. As much of the general public behind them as chuu has. She had the chance to fight for her rights because she is popular and well liked, because she had her mom/family support backing hwr up and aiding in the whole process, and because she is passionate, but she isnt naive to how business works.
Thanks for explaining everything in such a detailed way, now I feel like I understand more the severity of the situation, and it makes me feel so bad for what LOONA members had to go through all this years. I mean I get that trainees are usually so desperate in wanting to debut, but these type of conditions are just not it...
Ngl, i was abouy to sign out when you got into the math talk. But! Because you were able to dumb it down for my tiny brain to keep up, I understood everything perfectly. THANK YOU. ❤️
We went this hard to get him back, even digging his old messages, but people just won't believe he's innocent because he looks like the stereotypical bad boy
@@seonsunnysunshine It wasn't this hard. No one boycotted anything in order to get Lucas back or even get updated information about him. They just left it as is and moved on
i don’t blame chuu for any of her behavior at all, any person would be pissed if they were working for 6 years and barely getting paid, especially when loona is one of the most popular kpop groups around
And people complain when I say Loona would've worked out better if only MODHAUS had existed and they debuted there. At least they would've gotten pay like the TripleS members.
If we're being honest here, the company addendum of doing 7-3 in favor of Chuu means sht really. To break it down for the people that are interested: Let's take total revenue as a whole for 100%, divides by 12 LOONA member contracts is ~8.33%. Full disclaimer here is there's no definitive proof that all 12 signed the same contract split ratio, but that's not really relevant for what I'm trying to get at. Anyway, The original contract revenue split: BBC take 70% of that 8.33% while LOONA takes 30% so BBC ~= 5.83% per contract x 12 ~= 70% Each member ~= 2.5% (30% total for all 12) Addendum contract: The individual number above are true for all members but Chuu, so only the percentage for Chuu and BBC is flipped so BBC~= 5.83% x 11 + 2.5% ~= 66.7% LOONA ~= 2.5% x 11 + 5.83% ~= 33.3% That change of a 3.3% profit loss is NOTHING in the grand scheme of thing for BBC since LOONA is now popular enough to achieve the ideal outcome until they disband pretty much. Remember, BBC by their own admission is profiting in the millions of dollar in the Dispatch article. Excluding Chuu, the 11 members already made 18.6 billion won revenue and an expense of 16.9 billion won. Using those number above, you can already see BBC has made billions of won in revenue (reads: profit). This is why I will not give BBC any sympathy or ground in this matter especially after making that stupid statement about feeling bad for not generating profit for LOONA like btch YOU are the leech that is draining their profit.
the comeback was not postponed the day the comeback was supposed to happend. the comeback is supposed to happen next month and they're still releasing teasers everyday & they just released the teasers for the seasons greetings
Addendum - I say it ( add - end - um). It s easier for me if I try to say those words close together and just let my tongue kind of skip between the d-sounds.
I can't repay you for this wonderful video explaining this math and business dynamic. I'm terrible at numbers. English was my thing. So, as a thank you: uh-DEN-dum Xoxo. Love your work. Thanks again. ❤️
The solution is simple. Force all managers, VPs, and CEOs to follow all their groups on their schedule. Any breach, they will need to kowtow and fined to the afflicted group.
I think BBC dug themselves a massive hole in this case. I feel sorry for Loona bcos of BBC's dodgy management. If Loona members decide to leave BBC, we'll support them.
What I don't understand is that these contracts are no secret, these are the same contracts that have been reported on and everyone knows about for as long as kpop has been around. So the only way I can understand them singing it was the hope that they would actually make money when everyone already knows the most kpop idols end up broke, they thought they would be the ones that could win. The other thing that I don't understand is since everyone already knows that kpop idols end up broke is that when they started I kept hearing that this massive debut project would only work because the company was paying for everything and not the idols, the idols would not be on the hook for all the money that was being spent. We all know now that that wasn't true and they didn't have a new modern contract but instead they had the original old school kpop contract where they always end up broke. I know it's explained in the video that the parents are not lawyers but still, there is no secret, everyone knows that kpop idols never make money so they were full well knowing that this was all a gamble. I would never sign a contract like that nor should anyone else but I guess this is where that asian stereotype comes in that they love to gamble. I don't think anything weird or wrong happened here because again we all know about these contracts and we all know you should never sign a contract like that.
From the very beginning I was sure there had to be some sort of argument or fight between Chuu and bbc staff, but even if Chuu overstepped during said fight, I was sure it was well deserved. This whole situation just confirmed all my suspicions. Good on her for being such a strong-willed person who's not afraid to take what's rightfully hers.
Chuu is in her right and this compagny of the hell got what they deserved The funniest think is they announce in may i think that they are going to debut the boy version of Loona LOL
BBC should burn 🔥 I'm so proud of Chuu for standing up for herself and honestly I totally understand her anger and frustration towards these people that took advantage of her . Hope people don't treat Chuu as she's at fault too just cause she was a little rude because of years of mistreatment
I’m done supporting an industry we’re this kind of thing just keeps happening. One thing after another. Nothing ever changes years later. K-pop industry is just human rights violations
Man Cheryl, I've been having a REALLY bad chest cold. And it's PAINFUL, I feel like my throat is on fire. Also hope you get better too, recording and being sick isn't easy. 💙 Anyways, Loona needs to get the hell outta there RIGHT *CLAP* NOW! I do like dispatch trying to find whose in the wrong, but just seeing Chuu losing her shit makes her looks bad and it's gonna look like BBC and Chuu are both in the wrong when BBC are in the wrong not Chuu. -_-
i get that not everyone is a business student or likes math or contract law. I also get that Idols must love the whole job to do the insane training and workload but seriously, a contract like that should be scrutinized beforehand and never ever signed in this form. yes, Kpop activities/CBs are expensive but while they might just want to 'be on stage and perform' they also need to earn money, since it is a job and you get paid for doing a job.
I'm sorry for this. I was an old member of your discord server, and I realized today that I wanted to rejoin. I can't find it anywhere. If it's still active can someone please send me an invite link? I'm getting nostalgic.
Hi! Could you do a stage presence ranking with the new gg rookies of 2021/2022? Like IVE, Kep1er, LE SSERAFIM, NEWJEANS, NMIXX, and maybe even Billlie! Tell me if I'm forgetting some. Thank you and love your content!
Yeah what’s with humans hating on others for the sake up companies who obviously will find ways to exploit workers LOl oh Rightt Korea loves to abuse the hierarchy system in favors of entities over individuals bc of cUlTuRe
@@markigirl2757 Koreans are miserable and want to hate and revel in the misery of others so that's why you see them hating on idols for the littlest things so much. They get off of seeing others suffer bc they are suffering too. Garam, Soojin, Sulli. It's what they do.
And the international fans who bullied Garam as well, or the ones who are STILL bullying Woojin to this day even tho knetz already knew the allegations were fake? Sure knetz are toxic, but we’re not any better 🤣
@@Slayyy19 We are better. By a lot actually. Knetz blow up at the littlest things and then int fans are the ones to try and calm down the situation. Not always but mostly. Most of the people holding onto garam and woojin are knetz. Int knetz know better and have more important things to do
@@Nonameniniz not really, intl fans also send deaths threats, remember Charlie Puth? And get mad at the smallest of things (when fans insulted Lady Gaga and Ariana for winning Grammys). To this day I still see them calling Jiwoo from Nmixx fat. Let’s not forget the time where some engenes send pictures of slavery because black engenes were showing their disappointment. You must be on the good side of Twitter
Honestly, it's disgusting how BBC managed Chuu. Who do they think they are? They treated her like a child. Telling her mother out of all people? She's a fucking adult, and doing a little spoiler shouldn't have to get her own family involved. BBC belittled her and expected us to fall for their gaslighting. Now, I don't stan Loona, but I was planning to because of Chuu. I would be upset just like Chuu. Though I agree she could have used better words, she has tons of evidence on her side, and plus that was one time. Many popular idols have had similar situations and they are still praised. I can't imagine being a whole-ass company and instead of kindly asking Chuu to not provide spoilers, they messaged her fucking mom as if she's her manager.
Never knew that standing up for yourself and your rights was abusive…BBC should really join a circus, their clown behaviour really can’t get any worse. 🫢🤡 I truly hope all members can soon find themselves in a position that is favourable to them first!!
The contract Chuu had should be illegal.
It’s plain exploitation
loona*
Sadly there's many holes wich agencies can take advantage
It appears a Korean court agrees with you since they voided the contract and Blockberry had to re-negotiate the contract with her. After which the company decided Chuu was "abusive."
A lot of things in kpop should be illegal 😭
What is crazy to me is how limited edition their albums used to be and still are... As the group grew, Orbits were unable to buy old albums because they only sold a certain amount... They could've easily sold 10 times the amount of predebut albums, if they actually sold them
Also, artists getting 30% of the revenue is pretty sweet, if the company would just act normally and pay for 100% of the expenses, as they should
Yeah this. The artist does not decide to sell anything, they won't decide about the products and amounts, and that should always be the company's responsibility, to pay what they produce. A worker should never have to build dept over doing work
It's usually 70 30 split in general but the issue is its 5050 expenses then 7030 profit which made sure the girls never got paid
@@cooper6035 yes, exactly!
That award goes to Kakoa M. If only new orbits knew what was going during the precut era it was ish show.
@@Ash2theB ah right! I thought that was only during butterfly era though?
Honestly between Omega X and Loona, the government better be moving to make laws to protect idols 😩
And to think Yves’s mom was right about this being a scam when Yves was called to debut as Number 9
as much as i appreciate dispatch giving us this much information about this issue, them framing chuu losing her temper after being constantly exploited and belittled for years as a “both sides are the villain” situation is misleading AT BEST
also very unrelated, i’m not sure if you got sick again or just recorded this while you were still sick but i hope you’re feeling better!!
I'm convinced bbc has paid dispatch, because there's no way a normal person could have looked at those messages and the context and decided bbc aren't the sole villain here
@@Fallphoenix18 I don't think so. I feel the article is pretty neutral and if anything it's more Chuu biased. Chuu has a whole Q&A section addressing the reason why her behaviour changed, admitting she lost patience, and also exposing the Exec's text that called her stupid, while BBC basically has no words on their side of story.
@@hbhj9710 They've actually been editing the original article to make it more passively in bbc's favour, but not many articles have gone back and re-translated.
@@Fallphoenix18 Ya I know about the edited part, I've read both versions in Korean. It also straight up calling the loona project an adventurous failure, I don't think any company would pay someone to call them that. Also the whole chunk of calculation about how non-sense the contract is, is helping the reader to understand Chuu's frustration.
Dispatch is saying it's fault from both side practically just to save themselves, but every words from the original article are just exposing how non-sense BBC is.
@@hbhj9710 You make a good point, but I just want to point out that BBC basically did call themselves a failure when they were trying to work the sob story a while back, so I wouldn't put it past them
the stupidest thing bbc did is kick chuu out. her updated contract with bbc was ending at the end of this year anyway. everyone saw the signs of chuu leaving the company. everyone was expecting it. if bbc had just held out for a month and let her leave instead of kicking her this whole mess would’ve been avoided. (I’m sure the revenue and cost distributions would’ve come out eventually but dispatch and others wouldn’t have been actively digging around for info on chuu’s departure if it was just a cut and dry contract expiration as opposed to her getting kicked out suddenly and having everyone even knetz defend her)
Off topic but I LOVE ur profile picture cause I love winx club!
Well, Chuu herself mentioned how incompetent they are so I guess it’s not all that surprising that they decided to dig their own grave whilst believing they were digging for gold. I suspect they wanted to make themselves look like victims since news of Chuu’s contract being amended successfully had gotten out and could give others ideas about disputing their own contracts including incoming trainees. Also she was standing up for her rights during schedules and doing so successfully, once again showing others in the industry that it’s possible to do so thus taking the abusive power away from the company. So they made Chuu out to be the bad guy and honestly with the track record of fans turning on idols the very moment they are shown to be imperfect is sickeningly frequent, BBC probably thought they had a guaranteed win. Chuu would be the bad guy, they’d be seen as the poor little company doing their best, they’d still be profiting off the other artists under their label, every thing would blow over and they could just keep doing what they were doing. Plus they probably didn’t want to give more revenue to Chuu for the now ‘postponed’ comeback so they scrambled to find a way to kick her out. But yeah they are so incompetent that they didn’t figure out that Chuu had an huge amount of support and they were shooting themselves in the foot. I doubt any company could predict that fans would actually go through with such a massive boycott of a comeback for a group as popular as Loona!
Anywho, bbc thought they could get away with their manipulation like they’d done with their artists, they were sorely mistaken.
It feels the company still saw Chuu as the clueless excited teenager who walked into blockberry all those years ago. Getting her mother to tell her off like she’s a child? BBC are insufferable. Kpop industry is so messed up that you’re considered “abusive” if you don’t accept abuse from your company and exercise your rights smh! I really hope contracts like these become illegal 😒
23:22 Omg facts! Some parents are so excited for their kid to be a star, they sign without really understanding. With contracts like these, you need a legal professional to look through it and explain all the jargon. Sooo many ex idols have spoken about not truly knowing the full extent of the contract when they signed, especially if the contract is in Korean and their family are from somewhere else. It’s easy to get manipulated.
Companies in general try to get people to sign shady contracts all the time. I once had to talk my parents out of selling their timeshare to some guy who was going to give them a certain amount of money and then he would sell it to other buyers at a profit for himself. But when it came to how the numbers were working out there were literally thousands of dollars not accounted for in the contract. He tried the same stuff as BBC by treating me like a child who didn't understand even basic math. He was already going to be making a decent profit but then tried to screw them out of an additional $10,000. I had to literally find multiple court cases against him in the area to convince my parents not to do it. They were just eager to get rid of their timeshare because a different person had convinced them to buy a second one when they already had one to begin with. And I'm sure my parents aren't the only gullible people out there, even more so when it seems like all your (or your child's) wishes are about to come true.
Cheryl putting that business degree to good use! Bawse-like behavior! 😌🙌👑
THIIIS!!! Do y’all not realize how stupid adults can be? I’m fortunate that I have two judges and several attorneys in my family (including my father). We can discuss the unrealistic expectations that’s placed on me another time.
I never sign anything without fully reading through everything (minus the terms and service contracts social media platforms make you sign because those literally take years to read, yes LITERALLY). And if anything sounds fishy to me, I call it into question, make the other party clarify, and if I need to amend things, I’ll do it before signing and make them sign off of the amendments so that they’re legally valid. Not everyone has that privilege of knowing how to go into a meeting where things will be signed. Not everyone is able to determine what’s a good or bad deal that they’re entering into. Think of it this way, if your parents had to supervise you signing documents, do you really think they’d have any idea as to what they’re doing? Would they know if they’re being manipulated or deceived into signing something that they really don’t want to? Odds are, no. So, I don’t blame the Loona members or their parents. They wouldn’t have gotten into this situation in the first place if Blockberry wasn’t trying to pull the wool over their eyes. Blockberry is 100% responsible for all of this.
Thank you for pointing this out! I feel like a lot of people would love to think they are immune to signing bad contracts or getting conned but most people are not even aware that they should look for legal counsel when signing such a contract. Most people are not familiar with legal and business jargon and are not aware of how the music industry works. An honest company would have *explained* the contract in detail (especially the post settlement part) to begin with. That contract was obviously built in a way where the members would be trapped, it seems very intentional to me.
the fact that BBC really thought that we would think Chuu is abusive like bfr we know that they have been treating Chuu like trash for a long time and then didn't even provide any evidence like what?!!
I'm glad that Chuu was able to stand up for herself and bring attention to this issue within the industry, but why are trainees not hiring their own lawyers to review the contracts? That seems like it should be standard practice, especially when so many trainees are minors and can't legally sign contracts.
Edit: Also, Chuu is 23 years old and the person the contract is with, why are they contacting her mother?
I do believe her mom manages her.
@@academycute101 Oh, okay, I didn't know that. That's a different story than if they're just calling her mom to tattle.
Not everyone has the money to hire their own lawyers. Additionally, some might not think that they would need to, because they would not have been given a reason not to trust the company when they first signed on.
the amount of effort and research you did... amazing respect for you cheryl!
respect !
This is one of the MAIN reasons to love her ❤❤
It's unfair that idols are in debt for even their comebacks in the first place. Most businesses take risks when they invest into something. Have you ever seen a decently-sized company that requires you to buy your own desk and chairs? Pay for the office space rental? What employees should be paying for is their college degrees and trainings, nothing more.
If they want to earn money from an artist, they should treat any k-pop idol like actual employees. Provide their training, housing (or give them housing allowance), shoulder production costs, then pay them for their labor. I'm okay with idols paying for their pre-debut training and all that, that's like getting a degree to get into a corporate business position. But the fact that even the production costs of comebacks are shared risks is unacceptable.
And oh, if companies want idols to take business and financial risks all through their careers, then they shouldn't even debut minors.
A funny thing about the chuu spoiler was that hyunjin teased ptt. Kimlip also teased flip that so them getting angry about it was more of an issue with chuu than anything
Honestly, we got to the point Chuu started DEMANDING her rights and legit fighting for it. How did they expect her to react after not being paid ? I'm just surprised the other members didn't do the same
Vivi wasn't capable of doing the same, her work visa is tied to her connection with BBC. If she did the same, she COULD be deported.
As for other LOONA members, I don't think they have enough autonomy as Chuu to stand up to BBC. If any of the other members did what Chuu did to BBC, they would probably get ignored or BBC can file a breach of contract against them
i’m glad chuu got out of that circus, good on her. also mad respect to cheryl for the amazing amount of research she did for this vid.
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Cheryl really does it all.
at my most recent job there was a problem with the contract and my boss kept telling me i was being rude for demanding to have a contract with the correct dates and payment and i couldnt expect any recommendarion if i was a difficult employee… yeah chuu i stand with you girl
BBC is a prime example of how predatory kpop companies can be towards young people with dreams and hopes. They take full advantage of trainees who would sign any contract just to get a chance at debuting. It's disgusting and I hope this case will open people's eyes, especially in SK. These companies can't keep getting away with underpaying (in Loona's case NOT paying) and overworking their idols 😕
I told my mom about the contract Chuu had (she is an attorney) and she said "that is exploitation"
At this point blockberry is not even worthy to be called blockberry entertainment they should be called "Trash tangerine Prison"
yas thats perfect
Flopberry uncreative
Blotberry Criminal
thank you for breaking the math down 😭 i was getting so lost in all the articles and you explained it really well
“Flopberry Creative” button
I just want to add that for the texts that were published, aside from the heavy sarcasm ones, Chuu actually used pretty polite/formal language with the BBC employees. A few Korean speakers on Reddit and AKP (which I do recognise are not the best sources) have said that while the translation of the texts is true content-wise, it lacks nuance in the presentation.
I really hope that the member's injunctions go through, and in the unlikely event that Loona gets picked up by another company, I'd love to see Chuu join again, though, at this point, I'd have no idea if she'd even want to. It seems that the remaining members support Chuu, and I'd hate for this to be the end of one of my fave ggs. And I have to be honest, I was interested in seeing how BBC would handle the lore with Chuu gone.
I'm super impressed with Orbits, I did not expect the boycott to be so successful and it's def only of the only successful ones in recent kpop history.
Compelling and informative video on the entire complicated situation involving Chuu and her legal drama against her former Entertainment company management. Dispatch is investigating the truth about BBC and their incompetent management of their Artists
This sounds like a bot lmaooo
This video greatly helped me to understand Chuu's situation. Thank u for showing the math part in the video. I have better understanding of the contracts terms and conditions. I hope Chuu achieves success with her future endeavors and the other LOONA members also win their respective law suits and leave that wretched and shitty company for good
Hope you get well soon too !!!
Cheryl! Your transition to the sponsorship is smooth as butter!! I laughed so hard!!!
unironically i hope this type of revenue/cost split becomes illegal. it could almost be called a scam
And now this agency wants to do with Chuu (and the other girls who terminated their contracts) what SM did with JYJ and Jessica. I hate BlockBerry Creative.
I really appreciate you for explaining the part about the terms of Chuu's contract with BBC because it provides some insight into how little the members were earning from most of their work
3:48 "The Villain is Blockberry Circus." lmao that's the truth!
Orbit keep up the boycott for our girls!
American music companies started all these contracts and they are still the same to this day.
remember when we thought BBCircus was the best agency because they treat well and care about Loona back then, turn out they were the most nasty agency ever!!
can we talk about how chuus mother is one of the biggest slays alive
People who hate on Chuu because she signed the contract herself are just looking for a reason to hate on her out of jealousy. Yes she had signed the contract herself. But if the only thing that separates your teenage naive self and your biggest dreams was the contract, you too wouldn't care about what you are going to sign, you too would just want your trainee period to be over and your dreams to finally come true. Idols give up EVERYTHING in order to make their dreams come true including basic human rights and needs, but the moment they realise how the contracts they had signed are ruining their lives is already too late. They can't do anything. That company has their signature and if they leave before their contract expires they will have to repay the company for providing them with dorms, food and other stuff. There are two reasons companies love debuting minors: 1. People are creepy and have this obsession with idols (especially female ones) being young and pure and 2. Minors are more easily manipulated than adults. Chuu and the rest of LOONA are among a very few brave ones who dare to speak up about mistreatment but there are many many idols dealing with situations equally as bad as Chuu's who are afraid to do anything. Maybe even your favs. So think twice before you hate on Chuu.
😂when Leo disclosed “the boat sinks” James Cameron didn’t call his mamma. What company calls their employee’s parent on a work issue.
I feel so sorry for the mom like, you just wanted your daugher happyness and now you know that she’s not being treated and payd right and she’s also being kicked out for being ’rude’ 😢
orbits: how much profit did you guys make since the group's debut!
LOONA: 25:05
For me there are thre important factors to highlight in this case:
1) the entertainment business, for all its glitz and glamour is a well known cessspool of rotten expectations and overstimated dreams. Its very VERY hard to make any money, despite being in big companies, let alone a small one. For every act we even know the name of, there are thousands of others in debt, crushed by their own dreams. Going into this industry might seen like the goal to many artistic minded individuals, but thw ones who thrive are going to be the ruthless, business minded ones.
2) or, to my second point, thw ones with a support system. Even if Chuu’s mom doesnt seem like the most law/business savage, she is THERE for her daughter and is protecting her to thw best of her abilities. And im sure she aint the only one behind this kid. You have to have balls to do. What she is doing… balls and
3) the back to carry this choice. Orbits correct me if im wrong, but chuu is, by far, one of the if not thw most popular member of loona, at least to the non-orbit, international kpop fan. I dont believe any of the other members had the even thw choice toi fight the wat she hs, because they dont have. As much of the general public behind them as chuu has. She had the chance to fight for her rights because she is popular and well liked, because she had her mom/family support backing hwr up and aiding in the whole process, and because she is passionate, but she isnt naive to how business works.
Sorry for alm the typoa i wrote this while grocety shopping
Thanks for explaining everything in such a detailed way, now I feel like I understand more the severity of the situation, and it makes me feel so bad for what LOONA members had to go through all this years. I mean I get that trainees are usually so desperate in wanting to debut, but these type of conditions are just not it...
22:27 Look at them adding insult to injury! Chuu could've cursed them out and we'd still be on her side.
i wouldnt be suprised if the whole jaden jeong thing was blockberry manipulating jaden.
Ngl, i was abouy to sign out when you got into the math talk. But! Because you were able to dumb it down for my tiny brain to keep up, I understood everything perfectly. THANK YOU. ❤️
I honestly wish that people went this hard to have Lucas back
Makes two of us
Count me as three
We went this hard to get him back, even digging his old messages, but people just won't believe he's innocent because he looks like the stereotypical bad boy
@@seonsunnysunshine It wasn't this hard. No one boycotted anything in order to get Lucas back or even get updated information about him. They just left it as is and moved on
Thanks for the free business lessons! Great vid as usual!
i don’t blame chuu for any of her behavior at all, any person would be pissed if they were working for 6 years and barely getting paid, especially when loona is one of the most popular kpop groups around
And people complain when I say Loona would've worked out better if only MODHAUS had existed and they debuted there. At least they would've gotten pay like the TripleS members.
If we're being honest here, the company addendum of doing 7-3 in favor of Chuu means sht really. To break it down for the people that are interested:
Let's take total revenue as a whole for 100%, divides by 12 LOONA member contracts is ~8.33%. Full disclaimer here is there's no definitive proof that all 12 signed the same contract split ratio, but that's not really relevant for what I'm trying to get at. Anyway,
The original contract revenue split:
BBC take 70% of that 8.33% while LOONA takes 30% so
BBC ~= 5.83% per contract x 12 ~= 70%
Each member ~= 2.5% (30% total for all 12)
Addendum contract:
The individual number above are true for all members but Chuu, so only the percentage for Chuu and BBC is flipped so
BBC~= 5.83% x 11 + 2.5% ~= 66.7%
LOONA ~= 2.5% x 11 + 5.83% ~= 33.3%
That change of a 3.3% profit loss is NOTHING in the grand scheme of thing for BBC since LOONA is now popular enough to achieve the ideal outcome until they disband pretty much. Remember, BBC by their own admission is profiting in the millions of dollar in the Dispatch article. Excluding Chuu, the 11 members already made 18.6 billion won revenue and an expense of 16.9 billion won. Using those number above, you can already see BBC has made billions of won in revenue (reads: profit). This is why I will not give BBC any sympathy or ground in this matter especially after making that stupid statement about feeling bad for not generating profit for LOONA like btch YOU are the leech that is draining their profit.
the comeback was not postponed the day the comeback was supposed to happend. the comeback is supposed to happen next month and they're still releasing teasers everyday & they just released the teasers for the seasons greetings
Addendum - I say it ( add - end - um). It s easier for me if I try to say those words close together and just let my tongue kind of skip between the d-sounds.
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All I want is to see my girls free from this messy agency, just like Chuu.
I can't repay you for this wonderful video explaining this math and business dynamic. I'm terrible at numbers. English was my thing. So, as a thank you:
uh-DEN-dum
Xoxo. Love your work. Thanks again. ❤️
The solution is simple. Force all managers, VPs, and CEOs to follow all their groups on their schedule. Any breach, they will need to kowtow and fined to the afflicted group.
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I think BBC dug themselves a massive hole in this case. I feel sorry for Loona bcos of BBC's dodgy management. If Loona members decide to leave BBC, we'll support them.
Chuu really said BBHMM
your articles are my favorite. please do more of this in other cases
excellent breakdown, thanks for this video
What I don't understand is that these contracts are no secret, these are the same contracts that have been reported on and everyone knows about for as long as kpop has been around. So the only way I can understand them singing it was the hope that they would actually make money when everyone already knows the most kpop idols end up broke, they thought they would be the ones that could win.
The other thing that I don't understand is since everyone already knows that kpop idols end up broke is that when they started I kept hearing that this massive debut project would only work because the company was paying for everything and not the idols, the idols would not be on the hook for all the money that was being spent. We all know now that that wasn't true and they didn't have a new modern contract but instead they had the original old school kpop contract where they always end up broke.
I know it's explained in the video that the parents are not lawyers but still, there is no secret, everyone knows that kpop idols never make money so they were full well knowing that this was all a gamble. I would never sign a contract like that nor should anyone else but I guess this is where that asian stereotype comes in that they love to gamble.
I don't think anything weird or wrong happened here because again we all know about these contracts and we all know you should never sign a contract like that.
From the very beginning I was sure there had to be some sort of argument or fight between Chuu and bbc staff, but even if Chuu overstepped during said fight, I was sure it was well deserved. This whole situation just confirmed all my suspicions. Good on her for being such a strong-willed person who's not afraid to take what's rightfully hers.
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Chuu is in her right and this compagny of the hell got what they deserved
The funniest think is they announce in may i think that they are going to debut the boy version of Loona LOL
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Hope you and whoever is running bbc feel better soon, for different reasons though
The Segway to your sponsor was perfect🤣
BBC should burn 🔥
I'm so proud of Chuu for standing up for herself and honestly I totally understand her anger and frustration towards these people that took advantage of her . Hope people don't treat Chuu as she's at fault too just cause she was a little rude because of years of mistreatment
Hello Cheryl!!!!
I’m done supporting an industry we’re this kind of thing just keeps happening. One thing after another. Nothing ever changes years later. K-pop industry is just human rights violations
Man Cheryl, I've been having a REALLY bad chest cold. And it's PAINFUL, I feel like my throat is on fire. Also hope you get better too, recording and being sick isn't easy. 💙
Anyways, Loona needs to get the hell outta there RIGHT *CLAP* NOW! I do like dispatch trying to find whose in the wrong, but just seeing Chuu losing her shit makes her looks bad and it's gonna look like BBC and Chuu are both in the wrong when BBC are in the wrong not Chuu. -_-
i get that not everyone is a business student or likes math or contract law. I also get that Idols must love the whole job to do the insane training and workload but seriously, a contract like that should be scrutinized beforehand and never ever signed in this form.
yes, Kpop activities/CBs are expensive but while they might just want to 'be on stage and perform' they also need to earn money, since it is a job and you get paid for doing a job.
I'm sorry for this. I was an old member of your discord server, and I realized today that I wanted to rejoin. I can't find it anywhere. If it's still active can someone please send me an invite link? I'm getting nostalgic.
I think you forgot to mention that 9 members are suing BBC to terminate their contract.
the company that owns bbc is not broke, they are greedy
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Maths 🤤🤤🤤
out of topic, what is the outro song?
Nighty Night by Everglow
Hi! Could you do a stage presence ranking with the new gg rookies of 2021/2022? Like IVE, Kep1er, LE SSERAFIM, NEWJEANS, NMIXX, and maybe even Billlie! Tell me if I'm forgetting some. Thank you and love your content!
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First here, and will enjoy the video
But like always some knetz were believing bbc and were hating on chuu. But of course knetz would believe anything bad about idols. It's always knetz
Yeah what’s with humans hating on others for the sake up companies who obviously will find ways to exploit workers LOl oh Rightt Korea loves to abuse the hierarchy system in favors of entities over individuals bc of cUlTuRe
@@markigirl2757 Koreans are miserable and want to hate and revel in the misery of others so that's why you see them hating on idols for the littlest things so much. They get off of seeing others suffer bc they are suffering too. Garam, Soojin, Sulli. It's what they do.
And the international fans who bullied Garam as well, or the ones who are STILL bullying Woojin to this day even tho knetz already knew the allegations were fake? Sure knetz are toxic, but we’re not any better 🤣
@@Slayyy19 We are better. By a lot actually. Knetz blow up at the littlest things and then int fans are the ones to try and calm down the situation. Not always but mostly. Most of the people holding onto garam and woojin are knetz. Int knetz know better and have more important things to do
@@Nonameniniz not really, intl fans also send deaths threats, remember Charlie Puth? And get mad at the smallest of things (when fans insulted Lady Gaga and Ariana for winning Grammys). To this day I still see them calling Jiwoo from Nmixx fat. Let’s not forget the time where some engenes send pictures of slavery because black engenes were showing their disappointment. You must be on the good side of Twitter
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Honestly, it's disgusting how BBC managed Chuu. Who do they think they are? They treated her like a child. Telling her mother out of all people? She's a fucking adult, and doing a little spoiler shouldn't have to get her own family involved. BBC belittled her and expected us to fall for their gaslighting. Now, I don't stan Loona, but I was planning to because of Chuu. I would be upset just like Chuu. Though I agree she could have used better words, she has tons of evidence on her side, and plus that was one time. Many popular idols have had similar situations and they are still praised. I can't imagine being a whole-ass company and instead of kindly asking Chuu to not provide spoilers, they messaged her fucking mom as if she's her manager.
I appreciate your efforts!!🫂
Never knew that standing up for yourself and your rights was abusive…BBC should really join a circus, their clown behaviour really can’t get any worse. 🫢🤡
I truly hope all members can soon find themselves in a position that is favourable to them first!!