michael i had today the exact same problem after some testing i noticed that the egr didn't receive vacuum i replaced solenoid still the same problem after removing the vacuum line from the t-split i noticed that some small peace of rubber was blocking the vacuum to the control valve.After this problem solved! check the little black T connector almost 100% sure some peace of red rubber is blocking the passage to the solenoid and this is cousing the idle problem. THANK ME LATER :)
Hi Davy. The issue is, I’ve put a blanking plate in the Egr so I assume this makes the Egr valve basically redundant so even if there was some type of blockage it shouldn’t cause an issue because the Egr is t being used? Could be totally wrong and I’ll check anyway, but my next course of action will be to replace the fuel pressure regulator and fuel pressure sensor
@@michaelpotter5455 that's where i was wrong too it has nothing to do with how much egr the engine receives its because the blokkage the valves starts to act up strange and causes the strange behaviour. Evert time the idle surge disapeaered when i take the connector of from the valve or removed connector from airflow meter. Then the enige goes in a fixed program and the idle is normal. I checked everything injectors fuel pressure etc everything was stable. don't understand me wrong but i have 18years my own shop and had a lot of weard problems and This one is in my top 5. My guess is that the vacuum is Blokked to the valve en the engine tries to adjust This. I have no doubt this is exact the same problem!! I found IT just today and This was a problem on top of the throtlle valve that we replaced. I found your clip because i was lost.untill i found out the valve on the vacuum in side wasnt getting vacuum and removed the hose and found the blokkage. My problem was instant gone.
@@AdmotiveAdmotive thanks for the reply. So did you replace the throttle body also? Could that not have been the problem? If my EGR valve is blanked off why would a blockage in the valve effect the idle as it’s blanked off anyway? I don’t have access to my van for a couple of weeks but I’m going to try and check what you mean, where is it located can you remember?
@@michaelpotter5455 the car was in the shop because the engine management light was on. The fault was in the throttle body.After replacement the engine management light was out and the engine returnend back to normal mode.That's when we discoverd that the engine rpm goes up and down. everytime we put a fault in the car like for example disconnect the vacuum valve or airflow meter the car goes in limp mode (fixed program) then idle was stable but you here and smell that the car is in limp.Then i started check everything fuel pressure temperature etc..that the requierd airmass andactual deviates when the engine is cold is normal the egr only start work when the engine is at temperature.I first thought to that the egr was at fault and took my vacuum pump and manually put vacuum on the egr. ofcourse then the engine Rpm did go to normal then and i realized it's an egr fault.Because the idle problem was only there when the engine was cold it was almost not possible it was a sticking valve.It's then that i started check the vacuum to the solenoid valve and found in the T connector a smal peace of rubber that was blocking the vacuum to the solenoid. The egr was never working at all. Because the valve didn't get vacuum i think somehow the engine management see this and try to adjust it.I had today another mechanic at the phone and he experienced the same fault some years ago.I tell to you check your vavuum line from the T connector to the black valve and you will find your problem.
for the future guys. I replaced EGR, replaced cream color hose, replaced all small EGR hoses, nothing fixed. went to the local garage, they removed EGR electronically, no issues since then, runs like stallion.
Got same exact same issue on 2010 2.3 120hp Fiat Ducato and found this thread. As someone pointed out it “jumps into” normal idling when MAF sensor is unplugged. Problem is only noticeable on idling, as soon as I give it some throttle it runs fine
@@michaelpotter5455 unplugging the MAF sensor didn’t raise any error codes but I haven’t tried driving with it unplugged. I assume that it will just run in some limp mode 🤷♂️ Same thing if I unplugged the EGR control valve, the surging disappears but in this case it triggers a yellow check engine error. Tried replacing the control valve unit but it didn’t make a difference
@@TheHyttinge To All of you i gave already the solution you guy's just don't listen! by unpluging the maf or egr it goes in limp mode ofcourse it run's stable then check the goddamn T piece at the vacuum line there is the problem and since last time i posted this a college of me had the same problem.
Salut am si eu o problemă cu fumul negru pe eșapament si am masurat presiunea in tampa si la 2000 de turatii este 600 de bari si intreb daca acestă presiune este normală ?
Am avut problema la un master 2.5 ,ia picat motorul ,lam vandut dar nici in ziua de azi nu stiu de ce facea asa ,cand slabeam oringul la furtunul de retur si pierdea motorina motorul functiona corect 😮😮😮
Hello friend, I have the same problem as you but only with a cold engine, and it also emits white smoke, but when the engine warms up, everything works fine. Did you find the problem in your van? Thank you so much
hi fran , I have exactrly the problem you mention, I think , and sevice too that the issue is with a defective injector, did you solve it? how, thank you for your comment
have the same problem. changed EGR, cream color vacuum hose. still the same. if the EGR hose is connect acceleration is poor and a lot of black smoke. if to remove both MAF and EGR hose van runs mint. Out of ideas what the problem is.
To fix the problem I had my van remapped and had the EGR valve electronically removed. Not had a problem since and my MPG is also far better, £200 it cost me
To fix the problem I had my van remapped and had the EGR valve electronically removed. Not had a problem since and my MPG is also far better, £200 it cost me
Buenas noches amigos colegas mecánicos una pregunta por qué la Fiat Ducato 2.3 se me recalentó y cambie la empacadura y ahora me arroja una falla como si estuviera libre el motor como si estuviera sin compresión quien me puede ayudar gr
I’ve had loads of people all telling different things but a lot of people mentioned EGR valve and it could be blocked so last night I was in the middle of removing it and notice a rubber tube coming from the valve had disconnected from somewhere else so I’ve reattached it and I’ll give it a run out today and see if that’s cured it
@@michaelpotter5455 cool. Let me know how you get on. I've got exactly the same issue. Although sometimes it idles fine. I was thinking EGR too although some also mentioned fuel pressure regulator as being a common thing to fail and produce similar symptoms. Keep me posted with how you get on. Presumably like me you don't have the engine management light on? Was going to get a diagnostic done on mine
@@010ashley1 has been running fine since a notice a small rubber hose had came off that was going to the EGR valve and I reattached it but it’s started again 2 days ago. So back to the drawing board. What have you done to try and fix the issue? I’m thinking of blanking the EGR valve off and getting it mapped so it’s electronically removed to stop any fault codes. Other than that I’ll have to try, throttle body and air flow sensor
michael i had today the exact same problem after some testing i noticed that the egr didn't receive vacuum i replaced solenoid still the same problem after removing the vacuum line from the t-split i noticed that some small peace of rubber was blocking the vacuum to the control valve.After this problem solved! check the little black T connector almost 100% sure some peace of red rubber is blocking the passage to the solenoid and this is cousing the idle problem. THANK ME LATER :)
Hi Davy. The issue is, I’ve put a blanking plate in the Egr so I assume this makes the Egr valve basically redundant so even if there was some type of blockage it shouldn’t cause an issue because the Egr is t being used? Could be totally wrong and I’ll check anyway, but my next course of action will be to replace the fuel pressure regulator and fuel pressure sensor
@@michaelpotter5455 that's where i was wrong too it has nothing to do with how much egr the engine receives its because the blokkage the valves starts to act up strange and causes the strange behaviour. Evert time the idle surge disapeaered when i take the connector of from the valve or removed connector from airflow meter. Then the enige goes in a fixed program and the idle is normal. I checked everything injectors fuel pressure etc everything was stable. don't understand me wrong but i have 18years my own shop and had a lot of weard problems and This one is in my top 5. My guess is that the vacuum is Blokked to the valve en the engine tries to adjust This. I have no doubt this is exact the same problem!! I found IT just today and This was a problem on top of the throtlle valve that we replaced. I found your clip because i was lost.untill i found out the valve on the vacuum in side wasnt getting vacuum and removed the hose and found the blokkage. My problem was instant gone.
@@AdmotiveAdmotive thanks for the reply. So did you replace the throttle body also? Could that not have been the problem? If my EGR valve is blanked off why would a blockage in the valve effect the idle as it’s blanked off anyway? I don’t have access to my van for a couple of weeks but I’m going to try and check what you mean, where is it located can you remember?
@@michaelpotter5455 the car was in the shop because the engine management light was on. The fault was in the throttle body.After replacement the engine management light was out and the engine returnend back to normal mode.That's when we discoverd that the engine rpm goes up and down. everytime we put a fault in the car like for example disconnect the vacuum valve or airflow meter the car goes in limp mode (fixed program) then idle was stable but you here and smell that the car is in limp.Then i started check everything fuel pressure temperature etc..that the requierd airmass andactual deviates when the engine is cold is normal the egr only start work when the engine is at temperature.I first thought to that the egr was at fault and took my vacuum pump and manually put vacuum on the egr. ofcourse then the engine Rpm did go to normal then and i realized it's an egr fault.Because the idle problem was only there when the engine was cold it was almost not possible it was a sticking valve.It's then that i started check the vacuum to the solenoid valve and found in the T connector a smal peace of rubber that was blocking the vacuum to the solenoid. The egr was never working at all. Because the valve didn't get vacuum i think somehow the engine management see this and try to adjust it.I had today another mechanic at the phone and he experienced the same fault some years ago.I tell to you check your vavuum line from the T connector to the black valve and you will find your problem.
Hello. I have the same problem. Where is the vacuum hose. Front or rear of the engine?
for the future guys. I replaced EGR, replaced cream color hose, replaced all small EGR hoses, nothing fixed. went to the local garage, they removed EGR electronically, no issues since then, runs like stallion.
That’s exactly what I done and it hasn’t skipped a beat since
Got same exact same issue on 2010 2.3 120hp Fiat Ducato and found this thread. As someone pointed out it “jumps into” normal idling when MAF sensor is unplugged. Problem is only noticeable on idling, as soon as I give it some throttle it runs fine
So when you unplug the MAF sensor the surge idling stops? Does it through up any dash lights or can this be just left unplugged?
@@michaelpotter5455 unplugging the MAF sensor didn’t raise any error codes but I haven’t tried driving with it unplugged. I assume that it will just run in some limp mode 🤷♂️
Same thing if I unplugged the EGR control valve, the surging disappears but in this case it triggers a yellow check engine error.
Tried replacing the control valve unit but it didn’t make a difference
Hi, did you resolve this problem. I have same fiat and same issue.
@@anesmrkonjic5647 I will replace MAF sensor later this week, hopefully that will fix it. Will write again if it works or not
@@TheHyttinge To All of you i gave already the solution you guy's just don't listen! by unpluging the maf or egr it goes in limp mode ofcourse it run's stable then check the goddamn T piece at the vacuum line there is the problem and since last time i posted this a college of me had the same problem.
Maybe you should do a compression test and a leak down test on all cylinders
Salut am si eu o problemă cu fumul negru pe eșapament si am masurat presiunea in tampa si la 2000 de turatii este 600 de bari si intreb daca acestă presiune este normală ?
Buenas a todos! En el grupo de fiat chile hay un mecanico que encontro la solucion para las fiat ducato 2.3
Am avut problema la un master 2.5 ,ia picat motorul ,lam vandut dar nici in ziua de azi nu stiu de ce facea asa ,cand slabeam oringul la furtunul de retur si pierdea motorina motorul functiona corect 😮😮😮
Hello friend, I have the same problem as you but only with a cold engine, and it also emits white smoke, but when the engine warms up, everything works fine. Did you find the problem in your van? Thank you so much
hi fran , I have exactrly the problem you mention, I think , and sevice too that the issue is with a defective injector, did you solve it? how, thank you for your comment
Have you sorted out your problem I have the same issue?
I have the same issue, only when the engine warms up and cold down again but not cold cold
You have the void hose of the EGR valve broken. Replace it
Perdona al final como solucionaste el problema. ??? Tengo el mismo fallo
Quité electrónicamente la válvula EGR con una reasignación
Mira los tubos de vacio que no esten rotos o obstruidos si tienes vacio en tubos , es el solenoide ( la pieza a la que van los dos tubos )
have the same problem. changed EGR, cream color vacuum hose. still the same. if the EGR hose is connect acceleration is poor and a lot of black smoke. if to remove both MAF and EGR hose van runs mint. Out of ideas what the problem is.
To fix the problem I had my van remapped and had the EGR valve electronically removed. Not had a problem since and my MPG is also far better, £200 it cost me
To fix the problem I had my van remapped and had the EGR valve electronically removed. Not had a problem since and my MPG is also far better, £200 it cost me
electronicaly removed EGR, fixed the problem. thanks! @@michaelpotter5455
Just disconnect the EGR valve solenoid
Incearca sa schimbi supapa pcv separator ulei ,cica aia ar fi
Buenas noches amigos colegas mecánicos una pregunta por qué la Fiat Ducato 2.3 se me recalentó y cambie la empacadura y ahora me arroja una falla como si estuviera libre el motor como si estuviera sin compresión quien me puede ayudar gr
I have the same issue:( 2008 2.3 fiat ducato
Replace egr void hose
Daca ai spuma pe capacul de la ulei schimba supapa pcv
Should you not be concerned of the water around your injectors most probably your scuttle drain offs are blocked
The plastic scuttle has a joint in the middle which cascades water onto the engine.
Fiat quality design I'm afraid. 😩
Did you ever get this sorted?
I’ve had loads of people all telling different things but a lot of people mentioned EGR valve and it could be blocked so last night I was in the middle of removing it and notice a rubber tube coming from the valve had disconnected from somewhere else so I’ve reattached it and I’ll give it a run out today and see if that’s cured it
@@michaelpotter5455 cool. Let me know how you get on. I've got exactly the same issue. Although sometimes it idles fine. I was thinking EGR too although some also mentioned fuel pressure regulator as being a common thing to fail and produce similar symptoms. Keep me posted with how you get on. Presumably like me you don't have the engine management light on? Was going to get a diagnostic done on mine
@@ollie4398 i have the same issue. Spent $3000 so far and not better....im thingk EGR sensor ?? any updates
@@michaelpotter5455 how did that go for you??
@@010ashley1 has been running fine since a notice a small rubber hose had came off that was going to the EGR valve and I reattached it but it’s started again 2 days ago. So back to the drawing board. What have you done to try and fix the issue? I’m thinking of blanking the EGR valve off and getting it mapped so it’s electronically removed to stop any fault codes. Other than that I’ll have to try, throttle body and air flow sensor