OMG this is simply the most extraordinary panel I've ever seen. So much brilliance at one go. *Wow* o_0 Thank you very much for giving this opportunity to experience this awe-inspiring discussion.
Det är en intressant frågeställning för andligt intellektuella; ett perpetuellt evolutionärt perspektiv eller en inert absolut verklighet; Nirvana osv. Det intressanta är förståss inte vilken position man intar utan att man går vidare i den autentiska upplevelsen av verkligheten.
@marsCubed Godel's incompleteness theorem says that formal mathematical systems powerful enough to do arithmetic cannot prove everything that they can express (in particular, they cannot prove that the axioms are consistent.). On the other hand, roughly speaking, Godel's COMPLETENESS theorem tells us that if you can't prove something, it must be because sometimes it's false. Turning this into philosophical statements about the human mind or the universe is not so straightforward.
@Paulginz I have muddled these words before, so it's really dumb of me to keep doing it. If I do so again, please let me know & compensate appropriately. I did mean 'incompleteness' and was trying to summarize the concept. It isn't straightforward as you say. I think of it as being inside a lego block.. We could find an index, examine stress on the walls & deduce a larger structure by extending symmetry tools; '#0' Also 'shape of the question' questions; Zeno of Elea's paradoxes explore this.
Reality is what we percieve it to be. The Doube Slit Experiment seems a good example of reality vs perception. One photon at a time is fired towards a metal plate with two slits on it while a recording device is placed behind the metal plate. The experiment proves that the one photon has gone through both slits at the same time. When we observe the slits the photon then only goes through one slit at a time. If we don't observe the slit then the photon acts like a wave instead of a particle.
@marsCubed As I see it, Zeno defends Parmenides; ideas essentially still not falsified. Zeno demonstrates that space is infinitely divisible, so is stuff & time, movement also. Scale of the universe also goes to infinity. The past has no existence, the future has yet to happen. every thing is in the single moment of now. Infinity & singularity.
@ThePixel1983 Perhaps you did not understand what they were saying properly? These men are all smart and gave a variety of positions. Ultimately they were consistent. We have no reason to think that AI will reproduce consciousness (Whether a computer can simulate a brain is another matter). If you its possible, then you are assuming physicalism, which is an unproven philosophical position. Some people 'know' that it is in fact not possible because of the way they define their own premises.
Godel's unknowability says closed systems cannot generate proof. Numbers talking about numbers only make more numbers. This implies a definition for truth. it is a system's being consistent; useful; predictive of external measurement (proof) thus eventually describing itself within a larger system. In Nature this obviously fails if the universe is infinite. Meaning comes from comparison, maths is poems about numbers. Golden hair, field of sun. An unmentioned but important field is human culture.
OMG this is simply the most extraordinary panel I've ever seen.
So much brilliance at one go. *Wow* o_0
Thank you very much for giving this opportunity to experience this awe-inspiring discussion.
Det är en intressant frågeställning för andligt intellektuella; ett perpetuellt evolutionärt perspektiv eller en inert absolut verklighet; Nirvana osv.
Det intressanta är förståss inte vilken position man intar utan att man går vidare i den autentiska upplevelsen av verkligheten.
@marsCubed
Godel's incompleteness theorem says that formal mathematical systems powerful enough to do arithmetic cannot prove everything that they can express (in particular, they cannot prove that the axioms are consistent.).
On the other hand, roughly speaking, Godel's COMPLETENESS theorem tells us that if you can't prove something, it must be because sometimes it's false.
Turning this into philosophical statements about the human mind or the universe is not so straightforward.
@Paulginz I have muddled these words before, so it's really dumb of me to keep doing it.
If I do so again, please let me know & compensate appropriately.
I did mean 'incompleteness' and was trying to summarize the concept.
It isn't straightforward as you say.
I think of it as being inside a lego block..
We could find an index, examine stress on the walls & deduce a larger structure by extending symmetry tools; '#0'
Also 'shape of the question' questions; Zeno of Elea's paradoxes explore this.
Reality is what we percieve it to be. The Doube Slit Experiment seems a good example of reality vs perception. One photon at a time is fired towards a metal plate with two slits on it while a recording device is placed behind the metal plate. The experiment proves that the one photon has gone through both slits at the same time. When we observe the slits the photon then only goes through one slit at a time. If we don't observe the slit then the photon acts like a wave instead of a particle.
Seek the company of those who are looking for the truth. Run away from those who've found it.
... a long conversation - lot's of wisdom condensed in the room :-) #singularity
@marsCubed As I see it, Zeno defends Parmenides; ideas essentially still not falsified.
Zeno demonstrates that space is infinitely divisible, so is stuff & time, movement also.
Scale of the universe also goes to infinity.
The past has no existence, the future has yet to happen. every thing is in the single moment of now.
Infinity & singularity.
Everything is a DREAM!!
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@ThePixel1983 Perhaps you did not understand what they were saying properly? These men are all smart and gave a variety of positions. Ultimately they were consistent. We have no reason to think that AI will reproduce consciousness (Whether a computer can simulate a brain is another matter). If you its possible, then you are assuming physicalism, which is an unproven philosophical position. Some people 'know' that it is in fact not possible because of the way they define their own premises.
i must say the majority of commentators on youtube seem to be about 11 - 14 years old
Godel's unknowability says closed systems cannot generate proof.
Numbers talking about numbers only make more numbers.
This implies a definition for truth. it is a system's being consistent; useful; predictive of external measurement (proof) thus eventually describing itself within a larger system.
In Nature this obviously fails if the universe is infinite.
Meaning comes from comparison, maths is poems about numbers.
Golden hair, field of sun.
An unmentioned but important field is human culture.
These guys are geeks.
MinhDinh
Are they in a janitor closet?