The Crazy Culture of Fake Martial Arts Masters Exposed
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- I thought that fake martial arts masters tread their own paths. It turns out there is a whole organization of them united. Here's what I found out...
00:00 Intro
00:36 First fake martial arts master in my life
03:08 The grandmasters supreme
04:54 Real masters vs fake masters
05:45 Discovering a global community
07:56 The illegal use of legendary master's names
09:33 The king of fake martial arts masters
10:55 Grandmasters of their own martial arts
13:19 A psychological portrait of fake masters
16:08 An incredible business opportunity
18:15 Summary
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After releasing the video it was brought to my attention that I've made a mistake by including a reference in it to professor Ronald Duncan as a questionable martial arts master. It was a fault in my assessment to which I wanted to apologize for and admit my mistake.The short segment about professor Ronald has now been removed from the video. I want to clarify that professor Ronald is a credible martial artist and does not fit the narrative of this video and the short segment about professor Ronald has now been removed. If you want to learn more about him and his work you can find some information in the following websites:
• duncanmartialarts.com/history/
• nindoryu.weebly.com/professor-ronald-duncan.html
• www.usadojo.com/ronald-duncan-sr/
What made you change your mind? Just the linked websites? (I have not looked at them yet)
What is the approach that Dan inosanto took with Jeet kune do that you don't like
Although many appreciate this pinned comment of your reported mistake that tarnished professor Ronald Duncan it makes me curious as a student of three martial arts styles how many others you have discredited on this video that indeed are masters. I agree there are fakes out there however it would be best if you truly researched your facts further before making such claims.
What about the instructor in the white gi ? You never mentioned anything about him
Your retraction is greatly appreciated. I never had the pleasure of training with him, as a 62 year old man; I have been aware of his talent almost my entire life. Growing up in Brooklyn, if you talked martial arts his name was part of the conversation. . May he continue to rest in power. Btw most of you probably don’t know the “lineage “ of prominent African American Martial artist. Do the research. You may find it interesting.
The good old McDojo belly... Always a telltale sign of a skilled practitioner.
Edit: FFS people, you guys keep talking about Oyama and many other masters, but have you seen them in their 40s? Those guys were fit, they never had to become Muscle Beach models, but you could see muscle development. One thing is the belly you get because your body is simply not what it used to be in your 20~30s, the other is when you see someone who simply never managed to do a single pushup in their entire lives with their fancy gi and embroidered belt. Crawl back to Twitter y'all.
EFFEN bs.
Some GENUINE martial artists of extreme skill and experience have gotten fat over the years.
you know nothing about true kung fu, the power comes from the belly ofc. thats where he stores all his ki :p
@@thedeeds7777 "ki" means shit in thai-i believe that is appropriate here
There are loads of fake martials like BJJ, judo and Muay thai. None of which work in real life
@@tomsheppard378 bjj,muay thai,and judo are NOT fake.
bjj is just kodokan judo with some shot wrestling thrown in and highly refined,judo -invented in 1895 by Kano Jigaro-is a martial sport.
Both of these stem from REAL jujutsu
Jujutsu to kodokan judo to basically just judo.
Muay thai stems mostly from muay boran-a battlefield art of the Thais.
It has been somewhat watered down over the decades into a vicious martial sport.
All 3 of them work in real life to varying degrees but i would prefer muay thai over the other 2 with a bit of grappling thrown in.
Or REAL JUJUTSU right from the outset
Nobody ever says “I want to be a fake bullshido master when I grow up!” But they go and do it anyway for some reason. Awesome video!
Money and pride corrupt souls is a sad truth
Thank you Ramsey! I read your comment the first time: "nobody ever says I want a fake bullshido master to teach me", but there as well people still fall for it too 😕
I wanna be a fake bullshido master when I grow up. I strive to train at the biggest McDojo possible. In fact, the dojo should literally have a McDonald's in the building with it. If I don't get a new belt every single class, clearly it'd be time to find the Walmart McDojo.
Most people get fooled by the sellers
@@xiGoinHam Awesome goal dude. Count me in. Your idea about having a real MacDonald's right on the premises is so dope. Ever notice how fat the phony masters get as they move up the ranks from 11th to 12th to 13th dan and so forth? Man just think how much quick you could progress up the ranks with a Mickey D's right inside the school!
More than 20 years ago, I created a martial art called Hu-Yen-Do (huyendo means running away in Spanish). Then I did 50 fights in 1 day but no rival attended so I declared myself winner. I retired from competitions after 3 days with a record of 110 wins, 0 loses and 0 ties. I awarded myself the title of Grand Master Sensei with 12th Dan grade and Golden Belt, only Golden Belt ever awarded to a Hu-Yen-Do fighter. I was undefeated national Champion and undefeated World Champion and I hold the title still. I had a website with all that information and a description of the martial art (very creative of course) but I can’t find it now. I might have to do it again.
😂 hilarious
Good insight
was this martial art of yours at all related to the Joestar Family Secret Technique? :P
"Frank Ducks"🤣 Isn't it Frank "Duks"? (DOOKS),- Fill me in.
the "presidential sports award" was an award that all american schoolkids tested for in an effort to promote physical fitness. I tested for it a few times as part of our physical education curriculum when I was in middle and high school in the 1980s. It included things like shuttle run, running around a football field, pull ups, and situps with minimum standards of completion. Every student who was able to run fast enough, do enough push ups and situps qualified and got the award. There must have been hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of these awarded. Putting it on list of credentials is hilarious.
So that's a real but weak award, at least according to you, makes one wonder how many other titles so easily dismissed by this video have similar actual reality not in the handful of English language sources this wannabe USAmerican accepted .
Given his own claimed backstory, I'm surprised he didn't city any sources in Lithuanian, Polish, Russian or Japanese .
@@johndododoe1411 need a tissue?
I got one every year looool
@@johndododoe1411It's for school children, and it just means that you'd be expected to make the enlistment cut in a draft.
I got the award and i told the older boys on my block and they said " Big deal everyone has one"
In my country, we have a karateka that claims he's won 68 gold medals in world karate tournaments. He's 34 years old to this date. Apparently he's been winning since the day he was born, 2 times per year. Now that's a commitment.
Maybe he has 72 hours in a day?
@@MartialArtsJourney Or he's competing in women and children categories too, that could work I guess.
Hahaha
I don't blame for not sharing the name of the country
To earn the first gold medal he roundhouse kicked his own c-section.
How strange, I'm 17th Dan in my own martial arts system, it's an amazing system that requires no training, you too can gain a 10th Dan by paying only £499, in ten easy payments of only £49 per month
shut up and take my money
I’ll give u a 17th degree in my family style if u give me one in yours!
Which incidently is what they do.
Notice how years ago remi pressas, Joe lewis, Wally jaye, George dillman. They’d do seminar together and they would all say they had many blacks belts and sure enough they all belted each other
I will certify you for 200 American dollars cash only, please ... and THANK YOU
@@alvinprettyman1802 well I can’t give u any $ but I can give u 200 worth of advice if that’s cool,
I can even give u 250 worth
of advice cause i like u.
What say u?
@@alvinprettyman1802 😄😅🤪
Im a 12th degree MasterBaiter
I am a 13th degree in Con kwan dough
Your optimism and positive attitude, even when talking about negatives like bogus con artist, is refreshing and up lifting. OWN YOUR JOURNEY! What a great message.
So generic
I'm a real 10th Dan at Sitjitsu, I just sit on the couch all day and sometimes sleep
HOW CAN I LEARN THIS STYLE,AND WOULD IT HELP TO KNOW THE WAYS OF THE"FORCE"?
@@craigbosko2229 as in forcing oneself to get up and walk to the fridge?🤣
Oh cool! I'm a 10th Dan in Couch Potatofu. It's a mix between Sitjitsu and Gameodo.
Sweet, I'm working on my 9th.
I'm a 5th Dan two bars in Shit Shitzu. It just means I'm mildly accomplished at recognising crappy toy dogs....
“However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.” - Sir Winston Churchill
Lol "sir" more like a racist murderer
@@renato7184 Leme guess, American ?
@@jaketheasianguy3307 nope
"Release the army into Tonypandy to shoot civilians" - Winston Churchill
@@Beatinz11 he gave much worse orders in India. But somethimes I forget that Indian people dosent count as civilians to many Europeans.
When I was a kid, I was in a similar situation in real martial arts (judo and teakwondo).
Teachers were terrible, thus there was toxic atmosphere amongst students (bullying other students and lack of respect for the teachers).
It greatly discouraged me from doing martial arts as a kid and teen.
Now I’m doing Muay Thai and everything is great there, and now I enjoy martial arts so much!
Even when a martial art is real, quality of a teacher settles the quality and atmosphere of the training.
Great video! I was fortunate enough to train under two legitimate martial art masters. Myung Kyu Kang (Tae Kwan Do) and Kwang Kook Park (Kuk Sool Won), both of whom were bonafide masters in their disciplines. Neither man had colorful uniforms covered in patches or belts with dozens of stripes. Both were, however, examples of hard work, dedication, and excellence as both martial artists and people.
Where was Kuk Sool Won located?
@@waymanblocker In Busan Korea. I lived there for a few years and trained with him there.
@@mikesmusicden There was one in Berkeley years ago. That’s why I asked. Sounds like you got some good training.
Thank you, I feel very fortunate for meeting and knowing both of these men. I'm no martial arts expert by any means, but both masters were very humble, interesting, and skilled. 👍
Imagine being trained by someone old and “wise” that you look up to for years, only to find out the guy was a fraud, and everything you learned was bullshit. That could potentially be traumatic. It’s so easy for these frauds to get away with all of this because someone with no experience doesn’t know any better. And after trust is built through training, you’ll believe anything this guy says. It’s like a cult. It’s really fucked up if you think about it.
This actually happened too me, from the age of 9 to 16 .. I trained with a Sensei who was featured on one of these.
Broke my heart, but he still was a good man, he still was skilled more the adequate at self defense.
But his claims weren't legit.
TrueeeeeeeE
I was thinking about this, and came to the realization that this is just one industry.
%99 or the population aren't who they claimed to be.
Damn near anyone with a social media accounts false advertises .
This industry is just being singled out.
Things like Cat Fishing, Stolen Valor, instagram filters,
Social Media Tough guys, all embellish.
There's not many products or consumables on the market
That doesn't false advertise or hides harmful ingredients
In the fine print.
These guys were just actually ahead of their time.
Hell the entire Rap industry uses the same practices & techniques
I dont get it.
Yes, masters that boast and showboat and claim they could beat anyone are frauds.
But how is a master fake if he doesnt fight?
Martial arts isnt just about beating the shit our of someome.
Most martial arts are about balance, mental and physical health and yes some self defense and a lot of their techniques do work. But of course a martial artist master that never fought or got punched in the face would lose against a trained MMA fighter. He could still win against someone untrained. Its not a competition.
But he still is a master of his martial art and qualified to teach his art. Because competing and beating people isnt the purpose.
@@lightup6751 You have a point.
But the Number one thing a Sensei
Teaches his students is *Integrity*
With out it, none of the other virtue & disciplines are there.
At that point you're teaching yourself those things.
You sound like a person of integrity,
Was it self developed or influenced
I still think my sensei is a decent dude, I think he just made a business decision trying to keep up with NYC Dojo rents & cost .. so he marketed himself as what the times "The 90's" called for...
Chuck Norris gets more jokes making fun of how unrealistically tough he is in movies but at the same time he's the one martial artist nobody ever questions his real life talent because he's that legit. Its amazing when you think about it.
I’ve seen those old 70’s kickboxing fights, those American kickboxers were tough as nails.
I don't think ANYONE thinks Chuck is unrealistically tough in his movies. We pretty much all agree that flicks Chuck Norris is in are all downplaying how badass he is so he doesn't intimidate his fans.
When he was shooting Walker Texas Ranger a couple guys tried to rob him. They thought his martial arts were fake and found out the hard way he was a very real fighter.
@@icedriver2207 Chuck Norris bemoans the fact that, even today, many people still think _Walker, Texas Ranger_ was a fictional TV show. When in truth it was an unscripted documentary.
but his fight with Bruce Lee was real, he died and somehow came back to life, then Bruce Lee died.
I’m glad you made this segment. Being a Nidan in a traditional Okinawan system with a traceable lineage right back to our founder (who’s Number One Student trained my two main Sensei’s IN Okinawa), I am astounded since the dawn of UFC in the early 90’s of the profusion not only of fake masters, but also fake systems. When I hear people speak of their training I usually ask questions about the training lineage of their instructors, if they even know, and of the heritage of their system. 70% of the time or so I conclude that the dojo or school or style is marginally valid. While not all martial arts have long and storied histories and can still be valid, many aren’t. Being a Marine, I questioned in another post about the Marine Corps martial arts program and the “belts” they hand out. I was assailed by many fellow Marines. I get it. After WWII when the Marine Corps set up major bases in Okinawa, many went on to become true martial arts legends like Joe Lewis etc.. Those guys could point to true systems which have stood the test of time. Oh well
Not all lineage is well known or direct either. Then you have plenty who learn from one person...not a school...a singular person who learned from a singular person who learned from a singular person. This is where my sword skills come from. I have been in tournaments and they list my style as "self made" because I did not come from a school. It irked them to no end when I ripped apart all of their special students of well known schools.
Beware the students who had singular focus teachers. We have no lineage you know of, none you would recognize, and only the school masters who are legit would recognize the names from their own youth in open tournaments.
I enjoyed such a training and learning, but due to it I have no friends/fellow students I grew alongside. I would have a larger network if I went to a school, and I missed out on such camaraderie.
@@Nempo13 well, Nempo, if your training worked for you and you’re proficient then your instructors probably were too. My point wasn’t that under no circumstances can a martial artist have legitimate talent and training. My point was that hundreds of fly by night places popped up right after the UFC inception in 91’ or so
LOL but doesn't everyone have a 666 and 0 win loss record?
A couple of quick points. Having a long lineage doesn’t necessarily speak to the effectiveness of the system. Quite a few have become completely stagnant, or have become so sport/competition based that they’re not particularly practical.
The MCMAP program is an amalgamation of martial arts, skewed for combat in concept. While I’m sure there are idiots who take the belts seriously, when I was in no one did. You got belted because it was fun to grapple with people, and because it looked good on promotion boards.
@@thanatoast4389 I don’t think I disagree with a word you said.
Martial Journey thank you so much for this video! Unlike the other videos on fake martial arts that, despite genuinely being funny, were just poking fun at the phenomenon, this was a legit tackle at the question of fake martial arts. Its amazing in this age people still fall for this.
It took my husband 8 years to get his black belt, and I can see him roll his eyes, every time he hears of someone who says they got theirs in under 2 years. Or that their child is learning from one of the best, because that instructor got his black belt in under 2 years. Most people don't even say what they are unless asked. They just say they are martial artists. Probably why when other high ranking belts came to our school to spar, from other schools, they were getting thumped by our yellow and blue belts. Just because your belt is black , doesn't mean you know how to fight.
I got up to the black belt in around 4 years (had taken time off so didn't get the belt but had to be put in that class) but the whole thing was designed around kids, I'm pretty sure with the intention that they would then join the adult class eventually and go down the more correct path.
Thank christ it was an actual good school at least
Meh, the time it takes to get a black belt varies pretty widely between styles, getting a 1st degree black belt in TKD usually only takes 3- 4years for example, in aikido it can be about two years. But being a first dan in aikido isn't a big deal like being a black belt in karate or or a menkyo in a koryu.
I sigh whenever i see a child black belt, because 95% of the time it is either paid for or it is 'earned' in a mcdojo. I remember ragdolling a child black belt as a tkd yellow belt...
I dont get it.
Yes, masters that boast and showboat and claim they could beat anyone are frauds.
But how is a master fake if he doesnt fight?
Martial arts isnt just about beating the shit our of someome.
Most martial arts are about balance, mental and physical health and yes some self defense and a lot of their techniques do work. But of course a martial artist master that never fought or got punched in the face would lose against a trained MMA fighter. He could still win against someone untrained. Its not a competition.
But he still is a master of his martial art and qualified to teach his art. Because competing and beating people isnt the purpose.
And that is the problem …. We have had 40 years of people getting black belts too early without getting any real knowledge. I have seen people achieve black belt in under 6 months.
After 40 years of this bullshit, these guys are now the masters
😂
I can't get enough of Bullshido videos
Haha 😂 Yeah, they are addictive... 😁
Seriously 🤣🤣
I can't unsee that 15th Dan gold belt... Or that Amorous Adventures of Ashida Kim image. How is he able to continue selling that B$ since he was outed as a fake many years ago? The mind boggles...
You can thank Bruce Lee for introducing the gold trim to Ji Han Have (Sinmoo Hapkido)... Then came the flashy uniforms of the 70-80s
🤣
@@MartialArtsJourney Hijacking this comment thread to make a comment on your video, which btw I very much enjoyed. I think one aspect you didn't really dive into much, is the type of people that become followers of these guys. I really think it is a certain personality, or maybe a few types of personalities that are susceptible to this. They are the same people that fall into cults, follow certain extreme politicians and leaders etc.
Without these people these guys wouldn't be successful. They are a match, that somehow was successful from an evolutionary point of view. I have some theories about this, but warning, I'm no scientist (maybe you can interview one :) I think it has something to do why different personality types exist within the human race and their function within the group.
One of the things that is striking that these types of leaders are always men. I think they are the primal strong leader type that is not particularly morally good or wise, but more or less mean/strong/cunning enough to better the group. The leader is someone mysterious, to be revered, worshipped. I think The group in this case being compromised of a certain type of follower (the term sheep is tempting). I think the relationship is kind of symbiotic, the followers feeding the leaders narcissistic ego confirming stuff, while the followers feel safe/good with this god-like leader (albeit a fake one). I guess such a leader can actually help a group survive.
To be clear, I would imagine back when humans lived "in the wild", there were different kinds of group types, with different types of leaders and group-members. Anyway, just speculating.
Bro I wanna like your comment but it's 69 😅
When I was a teen there was this old man who was the handyman in the apartment complex where I lived turns out he knew karate and trained me when I told him I was always being picked on at school he didn’t believe in that color belt system he said something like “ belt mean no need rope to hold up pants” that was old Skool training😎
I created my own martial art. The goal is to keep myself from dying of a heart attack. The art only has one belt level and one form which takes me about an hour to do. I can now truthfully say that I am a Grand Master 16th Degree Ultraviolet Belt in Lechı̂y Chămôr.
Both Dan Inosanto & Chuck Norris have earned BB’s in BJJ from the Machado Brothers. Both of these men - who are in their 80’s - are lifelong students of Martial Arts with very public resumes
AMEN, THERE KNOWN WORLD WIDE
@@craigbosko2229 .... Amen 🙏🏽 Brother 🤙🏽👊🏽
I actually like what Dan Inosanto did with JKD where he added the Kali that he knows, I think Bruce Lee said to add what is useful and take away what isn't.
Both men understood the importance of being able to fight on the ground. Norris rolled between scenes and during breaks on the set.
@@jimmynich4791 ….. F.M.A. have proven themselves effective. Conversely they have some of the best edged weapons skills out there
You need to give all the credits to Master Ken for being the 11th black belt in Ameridote!
Master Ken is legit! 😁 That's why he's not on the list here 😏
@@MartialArtsJourney yes, master Ken is legit!!...some people may think he is just comedy, but he teaches very good fighting strategies, techniques, combos, etc...and exposes other martial arts strategies flaws.
@@sergiobatista2272 You mean like "restomp the groin"? :D
Master Ken is the best...
I challenge someone to prove stomping the groin doesn't work! 🤓
I'm a 36th degree indica blackbelt of the Shaolin Wu-Tang style.
I started as a weak boy at the temple, and steadily progressed so far that they allowed me to create my own chamber of Kung-Fu. It's a true story. They even made a movie about it.
I was married to such a person that you describe in this video. The fakey martial arts mentality and the con artist behavior permeates every aspect of these individuals lives.
Why’d you tie the knot with him?
@@anon2427did you not read the part that said “con artist”?
It's scary that these con people are connected to each other
Indeed 😶
Makes sense since they can network and learn tricks, and seem more like part of a movement to add legitimacy. Few know to look closer and see the associations as warning signs.
I'm surprised that Steve Hays isn't in there, somewhere.
yea just like hollywood and the education system lol
Like any good confidence trick, it works better when you have a whole network to part fools from their money.
Man, I trained Aikido under an old lady who trained under the original students of Sensei Ueshiba. She never bragged like this dude. So disappointing to see people trying to front their "expertise".
Isn't it always so, the real masters are quiet about it, I can't say with absolute certainty why, but I think it has to do with not wanting stupid f***rs challenge them all the time.
Yeah. I've studied and trained under a few people in the tai chi world (slowmotion aikido). None of them talked much about their life work. I studied Aikido a little. My teacher, and friend. Doesn't talk much about his long list of acomplishments, in anything. The side of him I know would rather do tea or bear or coffee and lunch. He's moderatly well respected and has a lot of accomplishments under his belt outside the world of Aikido.
Dude! You nailed everything! Awesome! The same cases we have here in Malaysia called sukma kencana or nara martial arts. All of the things you said in the videos fit 100%! Im really glad you making this video!
I've studied martial arts for 40 years. There is a serious side but there's a lot of charlatans. I'm a member of Bujinkan and it's embarrassing what's happened. Politics and money have polluted the art and I don't go in for that. I study and teach the art for art's sake and that makes me a heretic. It's not about grades, it's about who you are and what you can do. I don't try to impress other people, I try to impress myself. Narcissism aside, it's all about the money.
That's why Bruce Lee said, black belt means nothing if you don't know how to fight properly.
you sure bruce lee said that?
@@immo6844 yeah, read his book, (if you want of course) Tao of Chinese Gung Fu.
If you got belts that's suspect. Just train and learn to fight and defend yourself. That's how the ancients did it.Belts were started by judo 100 years ago. I hate belts.
Did Bruce lee ever even fight someone? Anyone? Even once?
@@holywaterbottle3175 jepp, look into it
Man, if a Gracie found out he was added to a list without his knowledge and consent, it could spell rough times for the organization.
Also, smart move calling them controversial figures rather than frauds. It's my understanding that Frank Dux is fairly litigious. There's rumor that it's why the Pinkman is no longer making videos
The Gracies are business orientated jerks. This may not be without knowledge.
@@FredKuneDo they're very business minded but they seldom associate with martial arts frauds
Business minded? Yes. Very respectful of the art of Jiu jitsu? Also yes. Rickson and Kron taught my Sensei for 8 years, they are nothing but class from all I’ve heard.
@@CalebSpears1 I respect their talent but there's plenty of indication that they're not all a class act. Look into some of some of the stuff Renzo has done and said. And there's some rough stuff with the treatment of the Machado lineage and the luta livre feud. Just to name a few.
Another great vid, thanks a lot for sharing your diligent research!!!
I will tell you a little story about fraud in my own martial arts circles.
I grew up with martial arts in a typical martial arts school. My grandmaster was certified in the country of origin of his art and he was a native from there, but apart from creating top fighters for competitions, making more money always seemed the next most important goal.
To make a living, he had to offer other styles too, but seemed to have absolutely no training in them so he let "hired" local "masters" fumble around with them. One of these styles was Chinese.
Eventually, one of my peers in that school quit his job and opened the same type of school, but with focus on Chinese martial arts which he never properly learned.
When I visited, the school was full of accolades and pictures of his training on the walls, but when I asked about ANY specifics, like where in China they went, he became defensive and evasive with no answer at all.
The issue with martial arts schools is how easy it is to open one but difficult to make a living with it, so it attracts frauds who are fine with resorting to scummy methods and who may very well be great athletes or fighters, but who teach you a load of potentially dangerous BS on top of the few basics they haphazardly googled together.
I spent 7 years and got my "black belt" at a Villari dojo back in the 90's. Was told no touch sparring was the best form of sparring since it gave you better control over your self(total bullshido). Sparred with a friend who did one month of Gracie jujitsu(Villari had Chin Na grappling)and got destroyed. I then spent one year at a Muay Thai dojo and was 10 times better at striking from that one year.
Muay Thai, 10 times better, I doubt it. One problem with Villari dojo in 90's and other times was insurance and lawsuits. They were afraid someone would get injured and they'd get sued. I went briefly to one, they wouldn't let you be in bare feet. So if you got destroyed, I guess your defense against getting tackled really sucked. No palm strike, shuto to back of neck, instep to groin, etc.,etc.?
Sounds like you have a lack of commitment in just blast him in the face when he puts his head down and comes into tackle you. Leading with your head and exposing the back of your head/neck and spine is always a brilliant idea. Sure step to paralysis and death. So where was your defensive? Kicks? Punches? No Judo, throws? Sounds pretty pathetic to me. But now you are a great martial artist, invincible, right?
Yeah there’s no substitute for sparring. You might be an academic black belt, but if you can’t use what you know then why do you or anyone else even care?
Can't go wrong with University Gracie Ju-Jitsu. My Son just got his black belt after 10 years and Training to be an Instructor. Now he can really start learning Ju Jitsu.
Lol I did Vilarri's too when I was in middle school. Granted I was a fat kid so it was good for losing weight and getting in shape, but other than that, the dojo only lasted a few months
When I worked in maintenance, a lot of the guys in the various shops were veterans. Most of them claimed to be "Special Forces", as well.
It seems that the Special Forces are the single largest unit in the armed forces from how many ex-members there are walking around 😅
There’s a whole website that exposes fake, phony Navy SEALS. It’s amazing how many of those there are.
It's true! I'm a veteran as well, and I've met SOOO many ex-SF dudes. 🤣
But for real, you'd swear there were more SF guys than there were aviation mechanics like me.
I have never served myself but have ran into my fair share of people claiming to be ex special forces that will brag but never give actual information.
@@WolfHreda AM2 here. Well almost. Converted ay AZ. Lol.
That's the thing about special Forces, their tactics are not for extended combat.
What’s funny is Villari received his first black belt from our professor Nick Cerio then he left and opened his own school claiming to be some high ranking black belt. He was only a shodan from my knowledge. It’s on the Family black belt tree that I have stared at for years. Please people don’t be afraid to do research on instructors you are going to train with. Love watching your episodes keep up the good work! OSS!
He tested for 2nd Dan, yet he departed before Professor Nick Cerio awarded him the rank certificate ( if he passed). Nick Cerio was a tough man, we both have the same teacher George Pesare.
Count Dante is very interesting, because he actually could fight and was witnessed multiple times winning local macthes, also his black dragon fighting society had better spareing and full contact macthes than most real martial arts.
Shocking to find out this type of fraud has become it's own institution.
It shows us that some will stop at nothing to obtain fame and fortune
I never seen Fred get in to real fight on TV or the internet.Thats how a fake that Fred is.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jamiesmith1162 who?
It's been this way for DECADES. Black Belt Magazine believed fucking Frank Dux's ENTIRE story. That should tell you everything you need to know about commercialized martial arts "dojos" (the kind from Ireland) (that was a mcdojo joke)
Imagine clicking on this video while being one of the "grandmasters"
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The psychological aspect seems on point, great video! Seeing the list i catch one from my country (Argentina), Gerardo Cantore and apparently he got his own Karate style called Shinshinkan with a little school in a village near the mountains.
great report bro 😎 💪🏼really good
A story to keep in mind when assessing self-created masters of this kind: There was once a guy in his late twenties who studied two traditional Japanese jujitsu styles for several years, who then decided he had learned all they had to offer. So the young man created his own style, which took the techniques he had studied and re-framed them in accordance with a set of unifying principles he claimed to have identified. The young man was Jigoro Kano, and his new system was originally called Kano Jujitsu, but quickly changed its name to Judo. When we see one of these 'founder' guys and recognize the classic story of over-hype and delusion, even fraud, it's good to keep in mind that the legitimate respected systems didn't get handed down on scrolls from a kami riding a winged tiger or something. The good systems have very similar founding stories, the only difference being their objectively higher quality.
He got his ass beat for years before that, and developed his system for his own shortcomings.
Same with Helio Gracie. A weak man who got mangled in the ring over and again which forced him to develop his system. Even got his arm broken for refusing to tap.
Martials arts are created through pressure and natural (in the ring) selection of what works and what don't.
These fakers never stepped in a ring in their lives.
I once heard Judo was what the ancient samurai used to do. But then again it was probably someone trying to ham it up.
@@hectorrico8661 Well kinda.
Jujitsu WAS used,at least in part by samurai during battle!
But it wasn't used by itself!
It was part of their combat training!
They weren't running around in gi or anything like that!
Well both jiu jitsu and and judo were born out of koryu jujutsu Wich is the art of grappling in armor while bare handed and welding a yoroi doshi dagger
At least Kano was a legit martial artist and Judo has gained effective results.
As Italian I can confirm that Italy (like other countries) is suffering a lot from how internet can easily expose people; but who cares when pizza is good
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Pizza is better than any fake martial artist!!
praised be the pizza
As a Croatian, I can only say that your pizza isn't good because you put almost nothing on it :( I like your Gardaland though.
@@Hosigie they just don't pressure test the pizza and rely too much on traditional recipes
I spoke with George Dillman back in the 1990's ... and our dojo successfully studied & utilized several of Dillman's pressure point knock outs ... these based off his first book. Had Dillman stopped there, his would have been a solid contribution. He, however, soon began taking his claims to odd and outlandish places.
Same and you speak the truth here.
It is because of these people that martial arts, especially traditional ones, suffer from low popularity: those who are interested in practicing martial arts easily fall victim of such "grand masters" and either they become on of their "followers" or they develop disrespect towards martial arts, assuming it is all crap... very few keep searching for a teacher that can actually teach them something technically veritable and pragmatic. This, combined with the general public's indifference towards martial arts (sports and other entertainment means are widely much more appreciated and recognized as "fair and ok", e.g. watching youtube videos), makes it difficult to divulge their culture, so I am glad people like you take their time to discuss about this matter
Speaking of masters... RIP Takashi Azuma 9th-degree black belt in Kyokushin Budokai (awarded by Jon Bluming), a 3rd-degree black belt in judo, and a 9th-degree black belt in Kūdō.
omg Frank Dux was one of the 'Sensei's' at my Aikido dojo when I was a young teen! (late 90s early 2000s) He was rarely around, but when he was the atmosphere was totally different. He was a tyrant, very strict, full of self-importance, and overly aggressive with the kids. There was one particular kid, Chrisopher, who was a little on the chubby side. Frank always picked this kid when he was around to demonstrate on, we all felt so bad. Just odd that 'sensei Frank' never wanted to demonstrate with other senseis that were usually running things when he wasn't around. He used to tell stories that he was a cop for yrs and he taught self-defense to all the under-covers
This was a well made video . And your voice is soothing
you have such kind eyes and smooth voice. I love listening to you :)
here in Italy we call Them Krav magicians 😂😂👏
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Wow! This video is so much better than I expected. I pretty much assumed it was going to be a standard countdown of fake martial arts Masters. I really appreciate your deep examination of the underlying issues that create such people. Excellent work.
I don't think you blinked once in this video haha but it still was a great video Broseph. Good job!
It's wild and insane to me that people still try to do things like this when a simple Google search will show that whatever they're claiming to have attained/received doesn't even exist.
Something that many don't realize is that there are body movements that when done repetitively (as you're supposed to do in any martial art) can be extremely damaging to your body. Yes, they can be countered by the correct exercises; but if they're not they can be completely debilitating or at least lead to costly surgery/surgeries.
11:46 Well, DUH! If he was easy to find, he wouldn’t be a very good Ninja, now would he?! Checkmate, hater!
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"It's Chuck Norris - come on." Only he could have black belts in multiple martial arts.
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Don't forget Michael Jai White.
Speaking of which, i have a dream that mister Rokas makes film about DK Yoo... Don't really know what to think about him.
With Chuck Norris, his can be confirmed. He doesn't just make shit up. You can trace all to the person he was promoted by.
@@Titan500J you can never forget
About 35 years ago we had a student who got to brown belt by training in the beginner classes because he didn’t want to mix with the big boys, then when it became obvious that he would not be able to progress unless he actually trained in the proper classes he quit.
6 weeks later he turned up in town with a black belt that no one know where he got it from, started his own club up next door to us and within a single year had given black belts to about 20 of his students.
After a few years these students would realise that something is not right and quit his club and then come over to train with us, almost all of them could not cope with our training and they were always devastated to learn that the grades that they had been given were worthless and that they were not capable of upholding the standard that was required for their rank in the wider martial arts community.
These students came in 3 types.
1, the student would have the temerity to train with us and up their standard and retake their grades to a recognised qualification.
2, they would recognise that they hadn’t actually been doing martial arts at all and after seeing the real thing decide that this isn’t for them and quit training altogether.
3, they would realise that they couldn’t cope with the real stuff because they didn’t want to put the hard work in to get a real black belt, so they would then return to their original fake club where they could strut around and pretend and then tell all of their social friends that they are a black belt.
I have a lot of respect for types 1 & 2 because these people are honest with themselves over what they are and are not prepared to do and achieve.
I have no respect for type 3 because these guys knew deep down that something was not right at the original club which was why they quit in the 1st place,
but when they then realised that the real stuff is not for them they would then go back to the original club knowing full well that the training they are doing and grades they were receiving is all fake and worthless.
The problem now is that after 35 years a lot of these type 3 students have now started their own clubs too,
And so the problems goes on.
Another very interesting video. Quite amazing that these people seem to make a good living when so many genuine, humble practitioners work three jobs just to be able to keep their classes afloat
Thank you for your research. As a (past) practicing martial artist I always appreciate seeing scams being exposed.
scams are dangerous. If you're badly trained and have fake confidence, you can get hurt in self defense easily. Especially in armed fight.
This reminds me of the "stolen valor" problem we have here in the US. I wonder if it happens in other countries too.
We have the same problem in the UK. From the amount of heroes who are ex special forces. The sas must be the biggest regiment in the British Army. Fucking fantasy pure lies. Very sad men.
Not many in Aus cause we don't suck our military off. It's a subtle known respect we don't feel the need to make a big song and dance out of to show off ourselves
@@drumboarder1 Australia is lost. Those lockdowns will never end. 😆
@@TheMicahwitz meh, interacting with people just makes me wish for mass shootings so the lockdowns are great
@@drumboarder1 I feel sorry for you. Only lonely teenagers talk like that.
Oh gosh, so Many memories...Many of the "Italian Grand masters" you mentioned have bene extensively addressed in a very popular italian MA forum back in 2005-2010. So much drama followed... unfortunately, that forum does not exist anymore. And... the Legends still thrive 😂😂
Excellent and very deep investigation, congrats!
Alexi Kunin ... OMG! He was a student of my good friend David Meyer's - back in the 1989. No where near the US Army - or any service. He has attended (as a green belt) some of my seminars. Nice to see him 'achieve' so much. OMG! My scheeks are hurting from laughter.
Wait... John Will.. of the Machado? Damnnnnn Much respect to you Master John 🙌
@@kellenparker172 The hank you. But ... no "master' here. Havn't even mastered tying my shoelaces.
You're quite fluent in English. Lithuania must have an excellent education system.
I'm more or less self educated in English 😁 I wasn't that great in school
@@MartialArtsJourney Wait, let me take a stab in the dark here, watching Cartoon Network in English as a kid?
Being European is the key, as most countries there are next each other so they have to communicate in English, that's why you can find a lot of bilingual or trilingual there.
@@hansybarra I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest (with zero evidence apart from lifelong experience) that the UK, England specifically, is probably one of the only European countries that isn't at the very least bilingual.
Even in Wales, where I'm from, less than 30% of the population speak Welsh, and I reckon the true figure of people that are actually fluent in Welsh, and use it as their first language is probably less than 10% of the population at best
@@legion162 .. we are referring about speaking English fluently. And i was referring to Europeans in general who have to speak English to be able to communicate with the rest, so there is little reason for UK citizens to be bilingual if they already speak English fluently to begin with. Something similar happens with Americans(not latinos) or Australians, were you will find only few bilinguals.
Amazing investigation!!! Fakers exposed. Thank you for all this information. Even the disclaimer about Duncan reveals the truth-seeking behavior. Rokas, as alwais, brave, humble and honest
Fantastic reporting and investigating. (All jokes aside.) This also exposes those fake "Grand Masters" in rap music. "Grand Master Flash," indeed.
I just turned my thermostat up to 22 degrees making me one of the greatest masters of the art of central heating in the world today.
I joined Fred Villari’s studios of self defense from 1987-89. I became a 3rd degree Brown belt. By that time my teacher seemed more concerned about who was paying that night than how we were doing as we walked through the door. I soon left after that. Then I discovered he was in trouble for not paying taxes and all the schools immediately changed their name to American self defense or something to that effect. I later went on to learn Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do. Now I’m questioning the validity of the so called Shaolin Kenpo Karate that I learned.
Roka I am familiar with these self proclaimed grandmasters of Bullshitsu . However many individuals are not, and I thank for producing a brilliant video lecture on the subject. God bless you and your Mrs.
"...the skeptic was a total non-believer."
I can be a total non-believer in boxing. If a boxer hits me in the mouth, I'm still going down.
Contact Dan Inosanto . Explain who you are and what your are trying to confirm. I bet he would respond. He might want to get that taken down. I don't think he would want to be associated with some of the guys on the list.
I love the crap of "it didnt work because he isn't a believer"
By that logic a Kamehameha will hurt you if you believe enough.
My thoughts exactly!
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And a spirit bomb would actually destroy the earth
Hello 🙂
Great Video.
I wanted to add one thing about the 15. Dan Ranks in the Bujinkan. As far as I know, those above 10. Degree are all honorary for helping to promote the art and/or doing other things that deserve recognition.
I really like and thank you for all your video's, I have seen loads but only subscibed today lol, keep up the good work dude :) :) :)
Thanks!
I'm impressed. Despite putting up just another video showing off Fake Martial Art Masters with the same sequences over and over again you really put in a fair amount of time to come up with a detailed background research. To my knowledge, although I'm not that deep into this topic, this is the first time somebody is trying to get to the core of all of it.
Great work!
I couldn't even watch this but thank you for making it. I've seen plenty of these fake masters....known plenty of their ummm...followers that believe they can attain the same thing. It's just a little sad and disgusting. You are doing a good service. Thanks.
I fear that the followers of the fake masters make up the majority in certain martial arts already.
The old twisted tongue nullifier😂. Great video
I like to watch this video every once in a while for a good laugh!
On another note, Rokas, I love your humility, honesty, ability to take criticism and your critical approach to Martial Arts. I always seem to learn something new from your videos either about Martial arts or life. Your guests are insightful too. So thank you and keep up the good work! 🙂
I will be honest, I love practicing martial arts and the work to achieve better training. I stepped away from proper training for a while and got into military combatives and other stuff, however, I have begun to miss the training and camaraderie of training with fellow classmates. I started teaching again in 2013 and almost forgot about myself, so now I am working to get back into serious training again!! However, I will never claim some weird nonsense and create an air of goofiness for my students!! For me, the UFC has been a blessing.
Rokas, could you please provide the name of the master who taught you Aikido?
Great job👏👏👏 I can imagine the hard work you' vê donne invastigating all those falar masters🙌👍👍👍👍👍👍
Ronald Duncan is someone I heard of in 1998 when Wesley Snipes was promoting the film Blade via a television program called Masters of the Martial Arts. While they did present alot of great black martial artists that I was very familiar with, such as Moses Powell, Ron Van Cleef and Steve Muhammed, Ronald Duncan was someone I had never heard of before then.
These are real martial artists.
I remember watching that. It said that Ronald Duncan was the "Father Of American Ninjutsu" when almost everyone considers that to be Stephen K. Hayes.
@@kagemaru259, Stephen K Hayes would have been the father of Ninjutsu in America from the Bujinkan aspect which dealt more with Ninjutsu that was Iga Ryū based. Whereas Ronald Duncan's Ninjutsu (or as he referred to it in it's more original name Shinobijutsu) stems more from the Koga Ryū/Koka Ryū region. But if we are talking about who demonstrated or brought concepts of this overall umbrella art to the United States first, then the credit would have to go to Ronald Duncan as he gave a demonstration on Shinobijutsu during a martial arts exposition in New York back in 1964, which was before even Stephen K Hayes had even went to Japan to study with Hatsumi, in the 70's. Either way both forms of Ninjutsu stemming from both men are effective interpretations of the art.
Wait a minute?
Bloodsport isn't a documentary?!
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No it's a film. The film makers had to tone it right down though to pass censorship. If they filmed it as a documentary it would cause too much psychological trauma to the audience.
"What the hell is a Dim Mak?"
@@kagemaru259 touch of death
@@kagemaru259 dim mak is the same as the Poison Hand Technique.. i believe was created by Count Dante
It's unfortunate how many grifters there are in the martial arts community preying on people who are looking to improve themselves.
Remember folks, if the claims seem suspect, they probably are.
When you said Lithuania … I did a double take. Your English is REALLY good! Very entertaining video!
Thank you!
I know only one true “Grandmaster”, founder and Grandmaster Jesse of MMA, Mexican Martial Arts.
Jesse is definitely legit, no worries there 😎
the only grandmaster is 'flash' & the furios five !!!
Love that dude!
Broken Glass everywhere!! Lmaoo
@@diverseconscious5262 ther is only one true GRANDMASTER !!! , that is the flash and the furios five !!!
Love your work. Your humility is beyond reproach. I love your honesty, about your own martial arts discipline. Your articles are always interesting and informative. In these times, that is rare. Thanks, Jerry
Calling Sifu Keith Kernspecht "the father of WingTsun in Europe" is of course a bit exaggerated, but it's true that he made WingTsun effectively popular in Germany, and was teached by Grandmaster Leung Ting. He's definitely 100% legit.
Absolutely right. From a business perspective there may be questions about Kernspechts system but his WT is absolutely legit. He also wrote some interesting books about training methods and sports theory.
In my youth in the 80s I did a little bit martial arts with my friends, went to seminars and so on, Judo, Escrima, Jiu Jitsu. It was all legit. But we joked many times to invent our own martial arts system and to grant each other a 10th Dan. We decided to name it "Action Do". Really stupid, I know. But we were kids.
Cyber security is rife with “masters” who never do the hard work
Interesting. Can you tell more?
I’m no expert but stuff like McAfee barely does anything. There’re a lot of popular cyber security firms which are a placebo at worst and a notification system at best.
Finance and business also full of fake 'guru's. Like in Dojo counteroarts, these fake guru also make bombastic claims and employ both cult mentality and many showboating strategy. If you can't do it as they said, its YOUR fault.
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Damn...It really is everywhere.
@@MartialArtsJourney it's full of people who claim to ba hackers, UA-cam tutorial were you can become hacker in 2 years, people that claim to do all kind of stuff on the dark web ... And not all of them know what they are talking about. Information security is an exercise of patience and study, usually requires an engineering degree for a junior level job, and it's a team effort nowadays, there's no lonely hacker that has violated Facebook security. The ability to hack Facebook is as frequent as absurd; but one kid did it some years ago without claim anything, he was a software developer/student that found a vulnerability and warned Zuckerberg soon after. In short it's full of hackers like it's full of 20 degree black belt but most of them don't know what they are talking about (either because they don't have the required education or because they never took a punch)
Try to search "how to hack" in you tube and see what you get
Great video btw! Everybody reading this: GO DO SOME PUSH UPS OR GET AN EDUCATION. There are no shortcuts in life you need to sweat. A course where you become an expert in one month MUST be fake
To be fair to Count Dante, he did have a legitimate martial arts background and participated in full-contact tournaments. His story is much more complex than just being a fraudster. It's a tale about civil rights, fighting against the established martial arts community, and ultimately morphing into a fake persona of his own making.
This is a great video, Napoleon Blownapart does a video on a similar topic which is VERY FUNNY. I highly recommend it.
Excellent video! Very well structured and explained. I also like how you keep the points you explain neutral so that the viewer can make up their mind themselves.
As a kid I took classes at one of Villari's Shaolin Kempo Karate schools. I got up to purple belt before I stopped going around middle school. It's interesting looking back on it, because the instructors actually did contribute to the idolization of Fred Villari, and as an impressionable kid I totally believed them without thinking much about it. I remember one specific thing they said about him was "he can throw ten punches in one second" and everyone was like "whoa that's amazing," and I remember telling that to one of my friends who made fun of how they were probably some very weak punches. In retrospect, I think my friends were right to be skeptical.
Even 30 years ago it was fairly accepted that Fred's "art" was a joke. It was something naive parents took their kids too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Brue Lee the fastest martial artist? Like ever? I've heard dozens upon dozens of stories about how "Bruce Lee was just too fast!"
Like the Green Hornet. The technology they had at the time couldn't keep up. So on flim, it looked like he was standing perfectly still while all the actors around him were just "tumbling to the ground." The director had to ask Bruce Lee to literally "slow down his movements because the camera couldn't keep up with his speed."
My point is, even as a kid, if someone told me "this guy can throw 10 punches in a second!" I'd very honestly call bullshit. Not unless
1) I saw it for myself
And/or
2) he was "professionally" documented achieving such an outlandish claim.
Bruce Lee?? I've personally seen videos of him doing exactly that! He was "documented" displaying his speed. 🤷♂️
No disrespect intended.
@@LordRain1031 True, but the recorded displays of bruce lee's speed show him throwing ONE strike at the time. If he, the fastest martial artists recorded, could only thrown one what are the chances of a mam throwing 10? Under one second?.
finally a video on fake martial arts that actually adds something to the conversation instead of just regurgitating whats already been done 100 times on this site
I showed this to my Tang Soo Do teacher, and she loved it. She told me about her first Tang Soo do teacher who was a bit sketchy.
It's easy to call yourself a grandmaster when you never fight anyone who isn't a student under your bullshido spell. Great video. Always love to see these "grandmasters" exposed. So many old men who have a myriad of illustrious achievements that never happened.
They'd probably make more money going the Frank Dux screenwriting route, with how fictitious their lives already are...
@@Thor-Orion true. He made out pretty good for a while.
Honestly glad I didn’t stumble upon a martial arts class that taught this way...
Please tell me you're training in ITF TKD...
@@thebestcentaur wtf but I’ve trained separately in boxing.
Yeah.... 😂😂😁😛.... keep it coming 👍...LOVE IT ♥️💛💚💙💜
I trained for 3 years one on one with the late 9th degree Grand Master Gerardo "Larry" Alcuizar. This man was the genuine article. He trained me and others one to one AT NO COST all he was interested in was passing on his knowledge. Furthermore he did not own a string of dojos, not even a single one. And neither did he publicise himself in any way. The only way to get to meet and train with him was through introduction by other students.
Nor did he have a ridiculous resume either, holding a 9th degree in Philipino Combat Judo, a 3rd degree in Tang Su Do and a first Degree in Judo.
He wasn't interested in self glorification as he was a very quiet and humble man who never talked about himself. He was more interested in making friends than money.
Rest in peace Larry.